S17.E08: Divorce, Prayers and Spider Scares

[Emma Snyder]

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Back in Denver after their honeymoon, the couples explore each other's homes; the couples grapple with ending their journey as newlyweds when they're faced with the tough decision of hitting the reset button or seeking a divorce.

Airs Wednesday December 6 at 8:00PM EST.

[kristen111]

I don’t like Brendon or whatever his name is.  He’s a cold fish and looks like he doesn’t care for Emily.  She is not herself with him and is timid.  He wants to decompress by himself for a few days.  I would tell him to hit the road and not come back.

Liking Cameron more and more.

Hope to not see Orion or her anymore.  He’s overly too touchy, and she has a big mouth about everything and reveals too much.

 

[kristen111]

Does anyone like this voting crap?  Who wants to fiddle around with their phone ins?  Watching the tv is enough.  Brennon has checked out.  
Don’t know about Becca and Austin.  He doesn’t look too enthused as before.   Becca needs some Clearasil.

Edited December 7, 2023 by kristen111

[APK]

These newlyweds are reluctant to live together and that's not a good sign. Orion has become a spoiled brat and that is my opinion.

[kikicat]

Orion: "I don't want to be married, but I want to continue the process."

Translation: "I don't want to give up the TV money and my shot at fame."

[kikicat]

37 minutes ago, kristen111 said:

I don’t like Brendon or whatever his name is.  He’s a cold fish and looks like he doesn’t care for Emily.

Stick him in the freezer and rename him Gorton.

I'm with you on Cameron. Bugged me when his wifey said something like, "Your apartment is like you...but I like it." She and Gorton should've been matched; they're both withholding. But maybe that's kinda natural when you've married a total stranger. Eh.

Edited December 7, 2023 by kikicat
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[Crashcourse]

Ok, Brennan.  You shot your mouth off saying that you'd be married for life before you even met your wife.   Now you have to dig yourself out of your hole.

[kristen111]

Why does Keisha have to explain everything that we already saw?  Waste of time.  I see what’s going on.

[APK]

Brennan could be asexual. Very little or no emotional or physical attraction to Emily.

Edited December 7, 2023 by APK

[Crashcourse]

He doesn't strike me as asexual; I just think he's not attracted to her.

[Elizzikra]

I like their apartments but is that bed long enough for Cameron? Are his feet going to be hanging off the end?

[kikicat]

I'm a diehard liberal, but boy-oh-boy did Lauren and Orion mess up their marriage with such a total focus on their culture instead of each other as just people. At least on camera, they couldn't even talk to one another. Every word was stilted. They needed to just relax and have some fun.

I haven't kept up too well with previous episodes. Did they ever say what Lauren's offensive "joke" was about?

Edited to add: Just went back and read the comments for last week's episode. Ha, I was very late to the party and everyone's already said it all very well. Thanks to Elizzikra for updating me.

Edited December 7, 2023 by kikicat

[Crashcourse]

Emily knows all she needs to know.  She should just tell him it's over.

[kikicat]

Yep. Are all the couples going to crash and burn in this episode? They might as well. Save us all a lot of wasted time!

[Elizzikra]

7 minutes ago, kikicat said:

I haven't kept up too well with previous episodes. DId they ever say what Lauren's offensive "joke" was about?

We saw it. I can't really summarize it but basically in talking about racial slurs, Orion owned up to having said/sang the n-word when he was younger and more ignorant. Then he asked Lauren if she had ever used any slurs and specifically if she had ever said "redskin." She said no, and that she wasn't even sure what it meant; then she giggled and said "oh, I just looked at your face" (which as sunburned). He explained his understanding of the etiology and meaning of that term. It was downhill from there.

In different news, boy oh boy is Brennan not only checked out but pissed off about something...

Also unrelated, Clare is a good sport to try the Vegemite. I'm with her on that - it's revolting.

Edited December 7, 2023 by Elizzikra

[kristen111]

If I were Emily, I would go to my apartment and stay there, wait awhile, and see what happens.  I would feel humiliated right now.  She deserves more than what he’s giving, which is nothing.  He is appearing cruel to her and she shouldn’t take it.  She’s a beautiful and nice girl.  I think he’s a Mommas boy and too attached to his parents.

[JayDub1987]

Emily, move on. You can do better. 

Orion and Lauren are done. I think he regrets getting married, and I think he especially regrets tying himself to a female. He said earlier in the season he had been with men and women, which is fine. But I think he’s upset that he can’t explore that now. 

[Elizzikra]

Orion says "I don't want to continue the marriage but I want to continue the process." Or in other words, "I want a divorce but I don't want to be the one to say it."

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If I were Emily, I would go to my apartment and stay there, wait awhile, and see what happens.  I would feel humiliated right now.  She deserves more than what he’s giving, which is nothing.  He is appearing cruel to her and she shouldn’t take it.  

If I were Emily, I'd ... do what she's doing. She moved in and she is making a good faith effort. I hate it when they don't move in together (though there have been a few couples where I felt like they should split and live separately). But when they just don't move in and don't even try, that bothers me. 

[Crashcourse]

I want to cut that top knot off that psychologist's head.

[Elizzikra]

Brennan isn't attracted to Emily and he doesn't think he is going to be. He just doesn't want a bad guy edit.

I also think that he is pissed off about something... not just a general sense of disappointment that he didn't immediately want to jump his new bride's bones...

[VioletNevermind]

Orion is being given an amount of grace by both Lauren and Dr. Pia that I don’t think he deserves in the slightest.  He’s too much of a weakling to simply admit that he regrets getting married, so he’ll base his rejection of Lauren and the marriage on Lauren’s “racism.”  The fucking audacity of this asshole; it boggles my mind.  It’s time for Lauren to cut her losses and simply walk away, show or no show.  As for Orion, I hope the next person he dates takes his ass to school.

I truly dislike Brennan.  He’s not attracted to Emily and doesn’t want to say it (speaking of cowards).  He was dead wrong not to move in with her and at least give her the respect of making a demonstrable effort.

I enjoy Cameron.  I think he’s one of those people who plays the class clown when he’s a little bit uncomfortable, but he has a good heart and is clearly successful.  Clare would do well to stick it out and see where it goes.  I do worry that she’s not physically attracted to him, but that can evolve over time as their connection strengthens.

Other Couple (i’m so bad with names): I like their relationship and I like both of them.  All I can do is hope that it works out.

Edited December 7, 2023 by VioletNevermind
Spelling error, ugh.

[Empress1]

39 minutes ago, APK said:

Brennan could be asexual. Very little or no emotional or physical attraction to Emily.

Nah, I think he just doesn’t like her. His body language when she was in his place was like “get this woman out of my home, now.” Not only is he not attracted to her, I don’t think he likes her as a person. He described the honeymoon as “draining.” He’s very mindful of the fact that he’s on TV so he doesn’t want to be like “she’s annoying and I’m not attracted to her,” but that’s what’s going on. I think he’s trying to remain controlled, cognizant of the fact that he’s on TV. But if he could get away with it, he’d ghost her (which Emily has said happens to her a lot).

I don’t particularly like Emily but I feel bad for her. Hearing that someone you’re into isn’t into you always stings.

Cameron talking bikes was kind of hot.

[Elizzikra]

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Other Couple (i’m so bad with names): I like their relationship and I like both of them.  All I can do is hope that it works out.

Pink Hair and Brawny Paper Towels? Becca and Austin.

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I truly dislike Brennan.  He’s not attracted to Emily and doesn’t want to say it (speaking of cowards).  He was dead wrong not to move in with her and at least give her the respect of making a demonstrable effort.

I agree. I think that if he were truly committed to the process and not so afraid of how he'll be perceived on social media, he would be honest. "Right now I'm not attracted to her. What should I do about that?" He should have answered Pastor Cal honestly (kindly and tactfully but honestly) and let the "experts" show them some expertise. But instead he's checked out, covering that up with "but I'm still here" and already checked out. And he's not even managing to be polite to Emily in the process.

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Nah, I think he just doesn’t like her. His body language when she was in his place was like “get this woman out of my home, now.” Not only is he not attracted to her, I don’t think he likes her as a person. He described the honeymoon as “draining.” He’s very mindful of the fact that he’s on TV so he doesn’t want to be like “she’s annoying and I’m not attracted to her,” but that’s what’s going on. I think he’s trying to remain controlled, cognizant of the fact that he’s on TV. But if he could get away with it, he’d ghost her (which Emily has said happens to her a lot).

I keep reading Brennan as angry and I'm starting to think that he feels like the "experts" shortchanged him. Like he think's he's a 10 matched with a 5.

[Elizzikra]

I LOVE how direct and candid Lauren is. And I wish that Pia would stop trying to talk Orion into staying in this. Lauren deserves so much better than slut-shaming, baby-man Orion.

[endure]

These thoroughly checked out guys are just so uncomfortable to watch.  I would drop out.... this is a day after the honeymoon!  Call it a day 😕

Edited December 7, 2023 by endure

[Elizzikra]

Now I see why Brennan is angry. On After-Party, Emily said that Brennan got salty after the night on the honeymoon where all the couples went out and had some drinks and she was making out with him. I think he saw "life of the party" Emily and didn't like her. I think that's when he checked out.

I mean - just say that, then, Brennan. It would at least be an honest effort. Also thought it was interesting that Keisha said Brennan appeared on one episode of After Party at the beginning and then has "declined" further invitations. It doesn't sound like things are getting better for those two...

[kikicat]

Also on the after-party, Orion declared that he was sorry that he hadn't moved in with Lauren and given their marriage a try. I didn't particularly believe him. Bye, boy!

 

1 hour ago, Crashcourse said:

I want to cut that top knot off that psychologist's head.

....slaps hands over my bedtime top knot....

[Blissfool]

1 hour ago, kristen111 said:

He (Brennan) is appearing cruel to her and she shouldn’t take it.  She’s a beautiful and nice girl.  I think he’s a Mommas boy and too attached to his parents.

I don’t think hes a mama's boy. I think he probably grew up in a cold, non-emotional environment. His parents did their parental duties very transactionallly and didn't show him what love looks like.

Ofc, this is just my opinion. I mean I hardly know the guy. 

What a shame for him and his future partners. I do find him very attractive. 

 

Edited December 7, 2023 by Blissfool

[Chalby]

I just started watching my recorded episode, and already I want to punch Brennan in the head. He is being so rude while she explores his apartment, or whatever he lives in. And you can see it all over his face - he doesn't want anything to do with her. I have a feeling he wanted to elevate his social media presence, so he thought what better place to go to than Married at First Sight.

[Chalby]

2 hours ago, VioletNevermind said:

Orion is being given an amount of grace by both Lauren and Dr. Pia that I don’t think he deserves in the slightest.  He’s too much of a weakling to simply admit that he regrets getting married

 I do worry that she’s not physically attracted to him, but that can evolve over time as their connection strengthens.

Thank you for posting that. I am furious with Orion and I agree with you on everything you've said. He's just too chicken to say he's in over his head with Lauren. But to use racism to a gal who probably has experienced a hell of a lot more of it than he EVER will, and I'm saying this because of specific experiences with my First Nations' community. I've seen who gets harassed amongst my friends. And it definitely wouldn't have been Orion. I'll be curious to see if friends from his past suddenly pop up online with stories of his childhood experiences.

And I also think that she (forgot her name)may not be attracted to Cameron, either. Wasn't that the same for Jamie and Doug? So maybe she'll try? With maturity I've learned so much about love, especially how someone becomes more attractive when they're loved for their personality. But at their ages, I don't think I could stay married to him, either. (If he wasn't physically desirable.) That type of thinking generally comes at late 30s or in the 40s

[pwdrpuff]

I personally believe that Brennan reconnected with his past and might have cheated with someone else, and that’s why he can’t make eye contact with Emily. Something else is definitely going on beside lack of sexual attraction.

23 minutes ago, Chalby said:

I just started watching my recorded episode, and already I want to punch Brennan in the head. He is being so rude while she explores his apartment, or whatever he lives in. And you can see it all over his face - he doesn't want anything to do with her. I have a feeling he wanted to elevate his social media presence, so he thought what better place to go to than Married at First Sight.

I’m not so sure. I think something happened during the honeymoon. He reached out to an ex and cheated as soon as he returned. Either way, he’s a total D-bag.

[Blissfool]

 

2 hours ago, VioletNevermind said:

I enjoy Cameron.  

I love Cameron and his dry humor! 😍

3 hours ago, APK said:

Brennan could be asexual. Very little or no emotional or physical attraction to Emily.

Nah, if there's anyone on this season who is asexual, it's Austin. I think he's just happy to have a (girl) best friend who'll share her PS5 with him. And she checks off the [get married] box. 

[LennieBriscoe]

Three out of the 4 husbands decided to go home for a while and not co-habit with their brides. AKA, those 3 husbands will ask for a divorce. 

Cameron and those spiders? I don't think I've ever seen an MAFS dwelling near as creepy. I'd be "Sayonara!" permanently!

[bref]

6 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

Now I see why Brennan is angry. On After-Party, Emily said that Brennan got salty after the night on the honeymoon where all the couples went out and had some drinks and she was making out with him. I think he saw "life of the party" Emily and didn't like her. I think that's when he checked out.

I mean - just say that, then, Brennan. It would at least be an honest effort. Also thought it was interesting that Keisha said Brennan appeared on one episode of After Party at the beginning and then has "declined" further invitations. It doesn't sound like things are getting better for those two...

Man, I gotta start watching the Afterparty episodes--there's definitely some revealing stuff on there. But I cannot bear Keisha!

[Empress1]

I think Becca is going to get her heart broken, sad to say. I think Austin likes her - they read like buddies - but she’s gazing starry-eyed at him and he’s not reciprocating. His eyes darted to the side when she mentioned him moving in with her and buying a place. He’s not checked out in the same way Brennan and Orion are, but I don’t think he’s going to fall in love with her.

10 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

On After-Party, Emily said that Brennan got salty after the night on the honeymoon where all the couples went out and had some drinks and she was making out with him. I think he saw "life of the party" Emily and didn't like her. I think that's when he checked out.

Given that he said he felt drained on the honeymoon, this tracks. Honestly, I’m not even mad (like he cares what I think, ha!) about Brennan not liking Emily. I don’t particularly like her either. Her frenemies don’t like her; based on how they talked about her, she’s kind of self-absorbed. (She did show some emotional maturity this episode though.) And what’s the saying - you can be the sweetest peach in the world but some people just don’t like peaches? I think everyone has had the experience of meeting someone, whether professionally or platonically or romantically, that they just don’t like. I know I have.

What irked me about Brennan was his insistence on not saying he doesn’t like her, as though that’s kind. It’s not - as she pointed out, not saying it is saying it. She knows, so just say it. He’s also clearly not going to put forth an effort; he seems done-done. I hope we don’t have to watch her begging (metaphorically) for his affection; that’ll be uncomfortable to watch.

Edited December 7, 2023 by Empress1

[Chalby]

3 hours ago, bref said:

Man, I gotta start watching the Afterparty episodes--there's definitely some revealing stuff on there. But I cannot bear Keisha!

I'm trying to figure out what "after party" means? Is that the name of the show?

[Jeanne222]

So just for the record KKP announced her name 8 TIMES plus 4 TIMES they plastered her name on screen during the after party!  Give or take.  WHY?

Something wrong there!

Orion just wanted to be on tv. He’s a disgusting little twerp. What a waste he is!

Brennan is really something. I would love to know what he didn’t want to say about wifey and the things he didn’t like about her.  “We’re not going there!” Hummm. If she’s been ghosted before then it’s something.   BO???

Cameron and Clair seem to be doing better. No great love match but compared to the others….!

[Rightside]

I get that Brennan is not attracted to Emily and never seemed to be any sparks between them. He needs to try to be friends with her.

I don't think any of them should be able to go back to their houses. Aren't these apartments two bedrooms?

Brennan needs to put forth some effort. He can leave during the day to go to work.

[Empress1]

6 minutes ago, Jeanne222 said:

If she’s been ghosted before then it’s something.

Nah. Ghosting sucks, but it’s really really REALLY common. It always has been (“we went out once, he never called”); we just call it something now. I can’t recall if Emily said she always gets ghosted by every man she’s ever been on a date with - if true, that’s a red flag - but if she’s just been ghosted a time or two, she’s not unusual at all. A friend of mine is inching back into dating and asked me for advice and one of the things I told her was “you’re probably going to get ghosted at some point. Try not to take it personally.” (Another was “don’t assume exclusivity ever - unless/until you and your person explicitly say you are exclusive, you should assume they’re seeing other people.”)

[Jeanne222]

I think Emily did say she always gets ghosted!

And she’s never been in a relationship.  

Something is wrong there. 

[Shauna]

I think Brennan is turned off by Emily's past and how many sexual partners she's had.

I fast forward through all part of the After Party except with the guests are speaking.  Same with the stupid polls that are on during the show.

Austin isn't into Becca like Becca is into Austin.

Clare's an asshole for her comments about Cameron's home.  Cameron's an asshole for those sticky bug traps.  I take spiders outside if I can catch them.  If not, they live inside with me. 

1 hour ago, Chalby said:

I'm trying to figure out what "after party" means? Is that the name of the show?

The After Party is a 30 minute show with a host asking questions to three guests.  It is on immediately after MAFS.  Guests are from the show or an occasional guest like the host's husband or an influencer?  I don't know who they are and am annoyed because I don't care what they have to say.  Clips from the show are shown and guests comment on the clips.  I always wonder when the After Show is taped.  The host is Keisha Knight Pulliam.  It's mostly a nothing burger with the occasional spilling of tea on the side for good measure.  Sometimes. 

[Retired at last]

It's been interesting trying to figure out when the Afterparty episodes were filmed. For example, Orion clearly had his hair cut (and looks much better to me, although still not attractive in any way), and whoever had the arm cast (I get the women mixed up. Is it Emily?) Anyway, she was wearing the cast, even though she doesn't wear it on the show. And, I agree that having an extra guest who means nothing to us and whose opinion would be the same as having one of us on there, is a waste of time. A lot like those dumb panel shows that Kevin Frazier leads with sm influencers, which I never watch. It is also interesting that people can decline being on there - I had assumed it was part of their contract. So, as long as our couples are dwindling and most of the men won't appear, I guess we are stuck with those outsiders.

I can't believe these people who don't want to be married, but want to continue "the process." What an idiot! (Orion) Did that work with the "f-ing good" person who wanted to still be included?

I really like Cam and hate the way he is treated by Clare. She doesn't like him, doesn't want him, but wants to be on TV. She has a full-time smirk and she thinks she is so much better than he is. She isn't.

It is sad seeing how little the men care about their wives. Especially when the wives are starting to really like them. It was hard watching Emily when Brennan couldn't say he wasn't attracted to her, which clearly says that he is not.

Becca and Austin (I think - is he the good looking one?) seem ok, but we really haven't seen any romantic sparks there, either. But, he seems like a nice guy.

I am guessing that we will see Orion and Lauren at least once more, to finalize things. Then, I don't want to see them again.

Other than the times we saw Orion and Lauren making out, which were gross, I don't think anyone even kisses their partner. Certainly, no one has consummated their marriages. That might be a first.

 

[Empress1]

10 minutes ago, Retired at last said:

Other than the times we saw Orion and Lauren making out, which were gross, I don't think anyone even kisses their partner.

Austin and Becca kiss. I think they’re the only ones who do. Austin said “short answer is no” when asked if they had sex, so I’m guessing they’ve done more than kiss but less than sex. (Becca may not be medically clear to have sex.)

11 minutes ago, Retired at last said:

I really like Cam and hate the way he is treated by Clare.

She was so rude when she was in his place. And I’m going to be catty for a sec but her casual clothes are strange. She dresses up okay, but that two-toned shirt was awful. So were her huge acid washed jean shorts and macramé shirt.

[StatisticalOutlier]

58 minutes ago, Retired at last said:

It is also interesting that people can decline being on [the aftershow]- I had assumed it was part of their contract.

I'm pulling this out of your post to emphasize it.  It surprised me that they can decline, but the host said they'd asked Brennan to be on multiple times and he refused.

Which made me appreciate Orion a little bit, because the host is downright mean to him, and yet he keeps coming back even though he's not contractually required to.  Then again, maybe as others have said he just wants to be on teevee and is willing to take it in order to achieve that goal.

[Jeanne222]

3 hours ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

I'm pulling this out of your post to emphasize it.  It surprised me that they can decline, but the host said they'd asked Brennan to be on multiple times and he refused.

Which made me appreciate Orion a little bit, because the host is downright mean to him, and yet he keeps coming back even though he's not contractually required to.  Then again, maybe as others have said he just wants to be on teevee and is willing to take it in order to achieve that goal.

I wonder if they get paid well for the after party appearances.  The way Orion behaves I have to think they go on this show for money rather than love.

Who thinks KKP will be back next season?  Surely they read our comments.  Someone said she knows Pastor Cal.  Yipes!

[JenE4]

Orion said on the Afterparty that the conversation with Dr Pia was 4 and a half hours. I was pretty surprised to hear that because it seems like it was just like 5 minutes of Orion saying he won’t be willing to open his affections and move past this—so there’s really nothing left to talk about, is there? It was frustrating as a viewer since “the hot tub incident” watching Orion vacillate between saying he’s willing to work past it and doubling down that he will never forgive her. Poor Lauren was really dragged through the wringer being so emotionally vulnerable and seemingly willing to do anything to work through it. He was just so cold and closed off to her. I almost wanted to reach through my TV and tell Lauren she’s too good to put up with this bullshit. But I really think she had it built up in her mind that her mother in heaven orchestrated this love match for her. I also keep thinking back to that group boat trip when Lauren was laying in his lap and being so smug that they were the best/strongest couple, so she probably was also mortified that within 2 days (or whatever) suddenly, oops, I was wrong about us being so mature and able to talk through anything. I mean, I think she was, but Orion seemed to keep intimating that she wasn’t as composed when the cameras aren’t around.

I mean, I guess I would also try to portray myself in the best light on TV, too. I think that’s exactly what all of the couples are doing right now—especially Brennon, for instance. Everyone’s feeling a certain way but no one wants to say it on national television. Once (if?) they actually move in, maybe we’ll see the couples start to break down what’s really going on…at least in front of the mounted cameras that they will forget are there. They’ll still be on their best behavior in front of the cameramen for a while, I bet. That’s an interesting theory above (sorry, forgot to quote) about Brennon seeing “party Emily” during their night drinking. I had been thinking she seems so meek and sad with him as opposed to how we were introduced to her in the earlier episodes. She seemed to be “more herself” at the beginning of the honeymoon but now it seems like she’s just walking on eggshells and trying not to take up too much space. She’s been saying she’s just following his lead. Her friends (frenemies?) had been telling her everything can’t be her way and she needs to consider her husband. So having never been in a relationship, I think she’s just shutting down all of her own feelings and decisions and actions and just deferring to him. It’s really sad to watch. I mean, I expected she would scare off her husband and they would be the least likely to work out based on what we saw before the weddings. However, I’m sad to see them crash and burn this way with her whole personality dampened. But as I said before, I don’t think any of these people feel comfortable to just “act like themselves” yet. They’re all so stiff and formal and interact with each other like HR is watching. Loosen up, guys! By not being themselves, not only are they missing the chance to show their partner sides of them worth falling for, but they also run the risk of it ultimately not working out when they eventually do feel comfortable being themselves because this is not the person I fell in love with. 

[Retired at last]

Well, if you consider that the brief meeting we saw with Orion and Dr. Pia was part of a 4 1/2 hour meeting, there is a lot happening between them that we won't see. But, I think you're right that since Emily has never been in a relationship (and therefore, had NO business being selected), she is just going to follow whatever clues he gives her, and yes, lose herself completely. 

I do think that the party girl persona is not what her husband is looking for, but that is the real persona, so, it's not looking good for them.

[Rightside]

8 minutes ago, Retired at last said:

 But, I think you're right that since Emily has never been in a relationship (and therefore, had NO business being selected), she is just going to follow whatever clues he gives her, and yes, lose herself completely. 

I do think that the party girl persona is not what her husband is looking for, but that is the real persona, so, it's not looking good for them.

I don't agree Emily had NO business being selected.  Deonna (Deonna and Greg, Charlotte season) hadn't been in a relationship in ten years before the show. I think there wasn't anything wrong in selecting Emily.

They both seem to like the outdoors. There is so much they could do (hiking, skiing, biking) and focus on the activity and not sitting across from each other at table!

The bottom line is Breenan isn't attracted to her and there are no sparks between them. If he was willing to at least be friends with her and just get to know her. That isn't going to happen since he rushed back to his apartment.

[StatisticalOutlier]

1 hour ago, Rightside said:

They both seem to like the outdoors. There is so much they could do (hiking, skiing, biking) and focus on the activity and not sitting across from each other at table!

They tried that on the honeymoon, and her extensions did not play well with the outdoor activities. 

[Lindz]

I can't with Cam showing Clare the dead spiders in the glue trap! 😬 I mean, WHY?!!! 🤨