S01.E06: Home

[paigow]

Series Finale - Jul 26 / 23

[Bill1978]

I'll be back with my thoughts later but thought I would just pop in to let people know that there are no mid or end credit scenes for the series.

But the one thought I will share is I was disappointed not to see Sharon Carter as one of the captives. I was hoping they'd reveal that Sharon at the end of TFATWS was a Skrull.

[tired and hungry]

I don't even know what to say about the last episode. The fight scene was just so bizarre.

They both are able to withstand literally every single Marvel character's power so easily? Plus being able to use different powers like they already knew what to do with them? How many different types of buff arms did they need? Also can someone remind me who has teleportation abilities because I'm drawing a blank. (I think it was just added to look cool and make Gi'ah do the "superhero pose")

They should be indestructible with all those powers but yet Gravik died so easily. Now Gi'ah is basically an all in one Avenger.

I nearly fell off my chair laughing when they showed that huge Drax CGI arm on Gi'ah's small body. It was so poorly done.

The ending was meh. I dont care for Priscilla. Fury needs a normal life too I guess but I'd rather they kept Talos instead of her.

RIP Hill. (I wanted to have some hope that she's still alive but now its final I guess)

[Spartan Girl]

That was it?! No other Skrull reveals whatsoever after all that hype?!

15 hours ago, Bill1978 said:

I'll be back with my thoughts later but thought I would just pop in to let people know that there are no mid or end credit scenes for the series.

But the one thought I will share is I was disappointed not to see Sharon Carter as one of the captives. I was hoping they'd reveal that Sharon at the end of TFATWS was a Skrull.

SERIOUSLY. You’re telling me out of all those people, only two of them were MCU characters? I call bullshit! I really wanted Sharon to be there because her FATWS heel turn was so fucking stupid and OOC. But then again, what can you expect from the people that fridged Maria Hill? 

I mean maybe they’re keeping more Skrull reveals for their cheap shock twists in other Skrulls, but that’s giving the MCU too much credit. Case in point: Rhodey being replaced since Civil War pretty much nukes any cool scenes he had between then and Endgame. Ughhhhhh.

I guess it’s cool that G’iah took out Gravik and rescued the humans, but since she helped kidnap them in the first place, feels kinda hollow.

And we just threw in Varra as Fury’s Skrull wife for starcrossed angst/shock twist without even really developing it.

Well, like TFAWS this show was another huge letdown. Talos and Maria deserved better. K.E.V.I.N. can once again go fuck himself.

Edited July 27, 2023 by Spartan Girl
Edited because I was mixed up re Sonya

[thuganomics85]

Well, that was an ending, I guess.  Glad I got to catch this early, but not because I was majorly anticipating it like previous MCU work.  Instead, I just kind of wanted to get this knocked out.

Took them long enough, but they finally tried to add some kind of dimension and layers to Gravik, by having it be revealed that he was used by Fury as a glorified assassin and that his human face was of the first person he killed who may or may not have been as evil as claimed.  I'm not saying that there wasn't potential here, but it all felt so half-assed.  Not even worth getting into, honestly.  Truly a waste of Kingsley Ben-Adir (who managed to have more of a presence this weekend in Barbie despite probably having 3/4ths less screen time.)

I won't say I automatically saw it coming, but at some point I did figure out that the Fury facing off against Gravik was actually G'iah.  At least she actually was the one who killed him (despite it feeling less because of her involvement/guilt over what she did working for him and more because he killed her parents), but for a fight scene that was suppose to feature two beings with all of The Avengers powers, it was very underwhelming.  CGI was almost CW levels.  Although I did like G'iah using Mantis' power at one point.  Glad Mantis is getting the respect she deserves!

In the end, nuclear war is avoided, but now President Dermot Mulroney is going all "Kill them all!" when it comes to aliens on Earth, which is just going to make things worse for everyone.

Glad real Rhodey (did they ever confirm when he got taken?) and Everett Ross are back in the fold.  But I guess we should just go forward and accept that both Talos and Maria Hill really are dead.  Booo!

Fury and Priscilla/Varra rekindle the flame and are off to try and broker a peace between the Kree and not violent Skrulls.  Cool?

As usual, Sonya is the best because Olivia Colman is a national treasure who makes everything better around her!  Hope this isn't the last time we see her in the MCU.  Wouldn't have blamed her if she phoned it in, but she more than delivered like the pro she is!

Definitely my least favorite of the MCU shows and probably the first I can't even really defend.  I've been lenient in the past and still think that almost every other show; no matter the flaws; seemed to be trying to bring something unique to the brand would even occasionally swing for the fences.  Sure, maybe sometimes it blew up in their faces but I appreciate the effort.  But this one honestly just felt half-baked and like everyone was going through the motions.  But it wasn't even bad enough to hate.  I honestly don't think I'll remember a thing about this outside of Sonya, Fury/Talos bantering off one another, and maybe G'iah occasionally due to my love for Emilia Clarke.  Not sure how they fumbled the ball this badly, but I can only hope this is the lowest it will go.

[paigow]

Fury can land giant space shuttles in rural England without triggering any RAF response... Gravik needed Red Reddington DNA to allow successful kill after monologue...

[Spartan Girl]

1 hour ago, thuganomics85 said:

Not sure how they fumbled the ball this badly, but I can only hope this is the lowest it will go.

Ha! That’s what I thought about MoM and TATWS. This show proved it can go lower. 

[PurpleTentacle]

Well this was a nothingburger of a show. Guess Olivia Colman was fun as always. But on the other hand Maria Hill is dead, so boo. Other than that nothing of worth happened.

Yeah, I was 99% sure the whole time that it was G'iah and not Fury in that reactor control room. Garvik is a massive idiot. Also what were those pills fake Fury supposedly was trying to take but then "accidentally" threw down the drain? Was that some magic Marvel stuff? I thought last episode they said something about iodine pills. Because let me tell you, that's not how iodine pills work. They only protect you from thyroid cancer and you have to take them before being exposed to Iodine-131. They saturate your thyroid and thus prevent radioactive Iodine-131 entiring it. That protection also lasts quite a while. What fake Fury displayed seemed like you standard radiation poisoning. Iodine pills do nothing against that.

That they got Captain Marvel's powers also made no sense. She's not a mutant or alien. Her powers don't come from her DNA. They come from the tesseract.

So is G'iah now the most powerfull superhero in the universe, forever? I can't wait for that to never come up again.

That whole back-and-forth with Sckrull-Rodney was so unnecessary. It could have been solved with: "Okay Mr. President, calm down. I'm going to shoot him in the hand and then you'll see that what we are saying is true. If I'm wrong you can still shoot me."

I miss good Marvel.

[PurpleTentacle]

2 hours ago, Spartan Girl said:

Sonya’s Kree? Explains a lot.

Did I miss something? Where was that said?

 

 

[Spartan Girl]

36 minutes ago, PurpleTentacle said:

Did I miss something? Where was that said?

 

 

Her talk with G’iah at the end about the Kree open to peace with the Skrulls implies that she was working for them, I thought.

You know another missed Skrull reveal opportunity?! VAL. Because her being a Skrull would explain her vastly differing personality between WF/FAWTS/BW and explain how Ross was replaced before Okoye supposedly rescued him. That’s the only logical explanation. But it’s painfully aware that the MCU lately limits itself to twists that are shit writing and make the least sense.

I too miss good Marvel.

Edited July 26, 2023 by Spartan Girl

[Enigma X]

This show started out well and then fizzled (around ep4) so embarrassingly.  There were many stories that could have just been written better (with a modicum of continuity too) because they were actually intriguing. Many interesting Skrulls just died. The espionage angle was just thrown out the window. Anyway, I have more grievances but what I liked was Olivia Colman and Sonia Falsworth, Skrodi until the last episode (they became annoying), the friendship between Fury and Talos, and the conspiracy theory dude in the beginning.

[PurpleTentacle]

14 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

Her talk with G’iah at the end about the Kree open to peace with the Skrulls implies that she was working for them, I thought.

That was Fury talking to his wife. Sonya didn't mention anything about the Kree.

 

 

[Spartan Girl]

9 minutes ago, PurpleTentacle said:

That was Fury talking to his wife. Sonya didn't mention anything about the Kree.

 

 

Ah. My mistake. But it would be interesting if Sonya was Kree, she’s got that ruthless streak.

[paigow]

32 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

I too miss good Marcel.

 

[Spartan Girl]

Lmao that was a typo which I fixed!

[Raja]

2 hours ago, thuganomics85 said:

In the end, nuclear war is avoided, but now President Dermot Mulroney is going all "Kill them all!" when it comes to aliens on Earth, which is just going to make things worse for everyone.

I was thinking what the hell King Valkyrie among others might have a thing or two to stop the USA and vigilantes.

 

3 hours ago, tired and hungry said:

I don't even know what to say about the last episode. The fight scene was just so bizarre.

They both are able to withstand literally every single Marvel character's power so easily? Plus being able to use different powers like they already knew what to do with them? How many different types of buff arms did they need? Also can someone remind me who has teleportation abilities because I'm drawing a blank. (I think it was just added to look cool and make Gi'ah do the "superhero pose")

They should be indestructible with all those powers but yet Gravik died so easily. Now Gi'ah is basically an all in one Avenger.

The She-Hulk producers were prophetic. What was the point of cycling through Drax's arm when you had already shown the Hulk and had Carol Danvers ?

The only teleporters, being the only other useful ability beyond Captain Marvel's complete set shown, that I can think of comes from the multiverse right now Kurt/Nightcrawler from the X films and Ty from Cloak & Dagger.

[tired and hungry]

Also someone else pointed out in earlier episodes, how on earth did they even manage to get every single character's DNA? 

Did they go around taking samples from everyone? Maybe after Tony's funeral they all lined up to give Fury a sample!

Or did they collect their blood after the battle in endgame? Assuming that every single one of them was injured enough to bleed and then someone rapidly went about collecting in that mess

[chitowngirl]

https://metro.co.uk/2023/07/26/secret-invasion-iron-man-tony-stark-final-episode-19193386/

[dwmarch]

Did a bunch of episode end up on the cutting room floor or something? I feel like there was some important stuff missing here. There was a shot of a missile in a silo getting ready to launch. No dialog, no tense scene of NORAD dudes waiting for the red phone to ring, etc. Just a shot of a missile, you figure it out. Same with some dudes in a dusty locale driving a Humvee and a classified folder getting handed from a nameless character to another nameless character. All I could think of was that I hoped whoever was handing that folder out had proper authorization to do it.

I did like Gravik in this episode. We finally get a good sense of who he is and what his motivations are. I wish we had seen more of this Gravik instead of the "look how evil I am!" version we've been watching in the other five episodes.

Who was that one woman at the end who got attacked and turned things around on her attackers? I'd like to know more about her!

[Raja]

28 minutes ago, dwmarch said:

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Who was that one woman at the end who got attacked and turned things around on her attackers? I'd like to know more about her!

Wasn't she one of the VIP Skrulls who voted Gravik to be their new General?

[MsNewsradio]

I had been so looking forward to this show. After its conclusion…I wish they hadn’t even bothered. Absolutely hate that we lost Talos for what, superpowered Gi’ah? They botched this so badly. What a waste of talented actors. The material did not remotely rise to meet them.

[angora]

1 hour ago, Raja said:

The only teleporters, being the only other useful ability beyond Captain Marvel's complete set shown, that I can think of comes from the multiverse right now Kurt/Nightcrawler from the X films and Ty from Cloak & Dagger.

Could that have been Ghost's powers? It looked to me less like full-on teleporting and more like phasing out and reappearing nearby.

I guessed that it was G'iah instead of Fury maybe halfway through the conversation with Gravik. Which, sure, fine, but it makes it disappointing that Fury never actually heard what this angry young man had to say about how Fury treated him and his people. I agree with others that this was the first episode where Gravik was interesting and had material worth Kingsley Ben-Adir's talents, and even though it was obviously still waaaaaay overboard for him to want to destroy all of humanity, he *did* have legitimate grievances with Fury, especially since he was a kid when he joined up with Fury's spy organization. How old was he when he killed that first man?

Also, Gravik was clearly expecting Fury to be feeling the effects of the radiation, hence the act G'iah was putting on. So how were they keeping all those humans on their compound? Even if we fanwank that the room where they were being held was leadlined, the Skrulls still had to transport them into the compound and get them into that room. Are Rhodey, Ross, and a bunch of high-ranking officials from all over the world going to start getting cancer?

My biggest takeaway from the show was "not worth it." Definitely not worth the deaths of Maria Hill and Talos. As I said, Gravik wasn't worth Kingsley Ben-Adir's talents. They show kept saying, "Fury changed after the Blip," "Fury ran away from Earth," and "Fury never found us a home like he promised," and didn't really give us satisfying answers for any of that. We still don't know when Rhodey got switched, despite the show highlighting it with Ross's pointed question and G'iah telling Rhodey he'd been there for a long time.

The best things about the show, for me, were 1) Fury and Talos's interactions, 2) Olivia Colman's impeccable performance as Sonya, and 3) actual acknowledgement that Fury is a Black man and that shapes his experience in the world. Other than that, what was this show even for?

[Affogato]

2 hours ago, Spartan Girl said:

Her talk with G’iah at the end about the Kree open to peace with the Skrulls implies that she was working for them, I thought.

 

I also thought it explained a lot about her, her obvious personal hatred of the Skrulls, and it would have added another espionage twist to have the Kree working towards their own ends. this is supposed to be spy stuff, right?

By the way, she is pretty clearly not a hero. I get that the bad skrull are bad, but kidnapping, imprisioning, terrifying, threatening and cutting off fingers is not respecting the dignity of other intelligent beings and making yourself appear like a palatable ally who is better than Gravik. Good gravy, what a large laundry list of war crimes on both sides. Maybe Carol can find a planet for the rest of us.

[Brn2bwild]

This is probably the weakest Marvel show I've watched, and after She-Hulk, that is saying something. 

The finale also doesn't seem to fit well with other recent shows/movies involving Nick Fury.  At the end of WandaVision, the Skrull woman tells Monica to meet Fury up in the sky -- so would this scene have taken place after the events of Secret Invasion?  If not, where was Monica Rambeau during the final episode?  How does the end of WandaVision and the timeline of this show match up with The Marvels?

[Affogato]

15 minutes ago, angora said:

My biggest takeaway from the show was "not worth it." Definitely not worth the deaths of Maria Hill and Talos. As I said, Gravik wasn't worth Kingsley Ben-Adir's talents. They show kept saying, "Fury changed after the Blip," "Fury ran away from Earth," and "Fury never found us a home like he promised," and didn't really give us satisfying answers for any of that. We still don't know when Rhodey got switched, despite the show highlighting it with Ross's pointed question and G'iah telling Rhodey he'd been there for a long time.

The best things about the show, for me, were 1) Fury and Talos's interactions, 2) Olivia Colman's impeccable performance as Sonya, and 3) actual acknowledgement that Fury is a Black man and that shapes his experience in the world. Other than that, what was this show even for?

Yes, the radiation was not handled well. Fury taking iodine would not have protected him from damage. Honestly, a pill to protect from radiation is one of those things Tony's money and advanced science could have developed.

Also, how are the skrulls resistant to radiation? Are they, like a cutting mat, self healing? but I digress....

I would have preferred a Maria Hill and Fury and Talos buddy movie.

I think there was a lot they think they answered. I really do assume that Fury concentrated on SABRE to protect the earth from threats from outside the earth, as a response to his traumatic blipping, and then managed to ignore his previously assumed responsibilities towards the skrull and his wife and his friends Maria Hill and Talos. Is there another possibility? Maybe they think that is obvious?

 

[Spartan Girl]

43 minutes ago, angora said:

We still don't know when Rhodey got switched, despite the show highlighting it with Ross's pointed question and G'iah telling Rhodey he'd been there for a long time.

He was in a hospital gown and could barely walk. So that pretty much confirms it was after the battle in Civil War. So everything we've seen from Rhodey from that point on was literally skrullshit.

[Enigma X]

5 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

He was in a hospital gown and could barely walk. So that pretty much confirms it was after the battle in Civil War. So everything we've seen from Rhodey from that point on was literally skrullshit.

At this point, I think the continuity with this will just depend on the next director and writer who take up the next Marvel movie/show where Rhodey is mentioned. 

[Chicago Redshirt]

31 minutes ago, angora said:

The best things about the show, for me, were 1) Fury and Talos's interactions, 2) Olivia Colman's impeccable performance as Sonya, and 3) actual acknowledgement that Fury is a Black man and that shapes his experience in the world. Other than that, what was this show even for?

100 percent agree! I would add a similar acknowledgement that Rhodey is a Black man whose experiences are shaped by that as well, except of course it was SkRhodey.

So much else about the show and this episode was...inFuryating, if you will excuse my little pun.

To just focus primarily on this episode:

Why in the world would Gi'ah actually bring the Harvest to Russia and allow Gravik to get powered up? Sure, there's a possibility as it played out that she too would get powered up too, and that she can outfight him. But there's also the possibility that Gravik doesn't leave "Fury's" corpse in the Super-Skrull Machine so she doesn't get powered up. Or the possibility that Gravik powers up 10 of his soldiers and that if she gets powered up she's greatly outnumbered. Or the simply possibility that Gravik can defeat her in a head-to-head fight and then he empowers the rest of the Skrulls.

Maybe Gi'ah didn't care about any of that because she wanted to be even more super than having Extremis, Groot and Cull Obsidian abilities in her. But even if that's the case, why not try to catch him unawares and get the full suite of Harvest abilities for herself? She didn't have to come on the base as Fury. She could have come on the base as any number of Skrulls in their human form that she knew had made it to New Skrullos, or just a random human/Skrull who was there as a refugee, and then used an opportune moment to Super-Skrull herself. 

Why would Fury agree to the taking of the Harvest to Gravik? Again, how would they trust that Gravik would keep his word, and how would he deal with the contingency of Super-Skrull Gravik, now with Asgardian/Captain Marvel/Hulk powers, and the ability to cause numerous soldiers to have the same abilities?

The standoff between SkRhodey and Fury made even less sense than the previous time. Sonya had a gun that shoots knockout darts. Fury has a gun. Just shoot SkRhodey and show that she's not real Rhodey.

How could the president declare jihad against all aliens as "enemy combatants" when there are a number of known friendly aliens on Earth? And yes, racism is ugly, but he has to realize that Talos saved his life and not all Skrulls are evil? Wouldn't there be plenty of people who would say "wait, hold on a minute!"

Was the president lying when he claimed that they had a way to tell Skrulls from non-Skrulls? Because if he was telling the truth, it would have been handy to show that such a way existed during the series (other than shooting someone or otherwise wounding them). And if he's lying, wouldn't the Skrulls know that? 

Maybe all of this is meant to set up some sequel series or have some movie significance. Like maybe the Kree-Skrull peace talks will be explored in The Marvels, or Gi'ah will make a return appearance there. But for the sorts of moments that you mentioned, a whole lot of meh.

25 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

He was in a hospital gown and could barely walk. So that pretty much confirms it was after the battle in Civil War. So everything we've seen from Rhodey from that point on was literally skrullshit.

I guess we'll figure out how long he's been in whenever Armor Wars comes out. But there's no inherent need for Rhodey to have been a Skrull from just post-Civil War. He could have been taken any time, and just had a harder time of it in the machine or given the Skrulls somewhat of a fight to make bringing him out of the machine harder than it was for the typical hostage.

[paigow]

6 hours ago, thuganomics85 said:

but now President Dermot Mulroney is going all "Kill them all!" 

Dirty Steve

[Enigma X]

I am assuming that many who believe the show is implying that Rhodey has been a Skrull since Civil War is because he was placed in the pod while in hospital dress while no one else was. I agree. So, although Rhodey could have been taken at any time, the implication is that he was taken at a specific time. Again, continuity is crap, and Rhodey ever being impersonated by a Skrull at all may cease to exist after this show.

I too think some of the nuances of Rhodey and Fury's conversation while in the restaurant do not hit as hard knowing that Rhodey was a Skrull as opposed to black person to black person having a conversation on how they fit into the larger paradigm where they will always be the minority. 

[PurpleTentacle]

4 hours ago, tired and hungry said:

Or did they collect their blood after the battle in endgame? Assuming that every single one of them was injured enough to bleed and then someone rapidly went about collecting in that mess

That was the explaination given in a previous episode, yes.

3 hours ago, dwmarch said:

There was a shot of a missile in a silo getting ready to launch. No dialog, no tense scene of NORAD dudes waiting for the red phone to ring, etc. Just a shot of a missile, you figure it out.

The president had ordered a nuclear strike against the Skrull compound, which is pretty ridiculous, but it was explained, but I admit, barely.

That's what Fury and an Sonya were at the hospital to prevent.

2 hours ago, Affogato said:

I would have preferred a Maria Hill and Fury and Talos buddy movie.

Throw in Sonya into the mix and you've got something great.

2 hours ago, Spartan Girl said:

He was in a hospital gown and could barely walk.

I thought he could barely walk tbecause his muscles had atrophied. That's why G'iah said something like "carefull, you've been here a long time" to him.

[Affogato]

1 hour ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

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Why would Fury agree to the taking of the Harvest to Gravik? Again, how would they trust that Gravik would keep his word, and how would he deal with the contingency of Super-Skrull Gravik, now with Asgardian/Captain Marvel/Hulk powers, and the ability to cause numerous soldiers to have the same abilities?

 

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Was the president lying when he claimed that they had a way to tell Skrulls from non-Skrulls? Because if he was telling the truth, it would have been handy to show that such a way existed during the series (other than shooting someone or otherwise wounding them). And if he's lying, wouldn't the Skrulls know that? 

 

I don't know, if the skrulls resist radiation because their shapeshifty little cells bounce back to some template then how do they absorb and keep the myriad of abilities they would get from the Harvest? If you are resistant to radiation can't this be in part because you are resistant to mutation?

And isn't the point of the Avengers that their character is worth more than their powers?

As far as the skrull detector

Spoiler

In the comics there is one, right? I believe Reed Richards develops it, and they keep on dithering about who is going to play Mr Fantastic, so I assume this is a way to drop a detail into the story that will 'bear fruit' later in one of the movies, but at this point, since we haven't really seen hair nor hide of any of the fantastic four (not just the Invisible Woman), this is clumsy. Also, if he did, why wouldn't he cast it over his cabinet every day, since Skrulls could replace them at any time.

 

[Enigma X]

Why didn't the skrulls install a Ritson impersonator? It seems a lot easier than what they were doing.

[MadyGirl1987]

2 hours ago, Spartan Girl said:

He was in a hospital gown and could barely walk. So that pretty much confirms it was after the battle in Civil War. So everything we've seen from Rhodey from that point on was literally skrullshit.

Not necessarily. It just means he didn't have the braces Tony made him.

[Spartan Girl]

5 minutes ago, MadyGirl1987 said:

Not necessarily. It just means he didn't have the braces Tony made him.

K.E.V.I.N. said in interviews that Rhodey might have been a Skrull in the movies. Yeah, I know the MCU showrunners fuck with us in a regular basis but I’m pretty sure they’re saying Rhodey has been replaced pre-Snap.

[Enigma X]

13 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

K.E.V.I.N. said in interviews that Rhodey might have been a Skrull in the movies. Yeah, I know the MCU showrunners fuck with us in a regular basis but I’m pretty sure they’re saying Rhodey has been replaced pre-Snap.

I make no excuses. Iron Man is my fave MCU character, mainly because of RDJ. If Rhodey was not present for Tony's death and funeral that is just tragic.

[MadyGirl1987]

18 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

K.E.V.I.N. said in interviews that Rhodey might have been a Skrull in the movies. Yeah, I know the MCU showrunners fuck with us in a regular basis but I’m pretty sure they’re saying Rhodey has been replaced pre-Snap.

Interesting, I had not heard that...

[Brn2bwild]

3 hours ago, Spartan Girl said:

He was in a hospital gown and could barely walk. So that pretty much confirms it was after the battle in Civil War. So everything we've seen from Rhodey from that point on was literally skrullshit.

That makes me wonder if true Rhodey would have been okay with Cap's shield going to U.S. Agent rather than Sam.

[PurpleTentacle]

Fridge moment: Where was the Skrull compound supposed to be? I thought the whole time it was supposed to be Chernobyl. But Chernobyl is in Ukrain. How would nuking something in Ukrain lead to war with Russia? Does anybody have an explaination for this?

Edit: Episode 1 just says 312km southwest of Moscow. So it must be some fictional nuclear desaster site, as Chernobyl would be ~700km southwest of Moscow. What are the chances these writers wrote this with Chernobyl in mind until somebody pointed out that it isn't in russia and thus the whole thing wouldn't work?

Edited July 26, 2023 by PurpleTentacle

[Sakura12]

What was this show? They made G'iah the most powerful person in any universe. I suppose she can still be killed since Gravik was. 

I loved Sonya so I'm willing to see how ths partnership works out. Does Sam Jackson want out, is Olivia Coleman replacing him? Was that thing at the end other super powered Skrulls. 

So many questions on this show compared to others. I guess this was just into lead into Armor Wars and Secret Wars. 

[MadyGirl1987]

1 hour ago, Sakura12 said:

I loved Sonya so I'm willing to see how this partnership works out. Does Sam Jackson want out, is Olivia Coleman replacing him?

I love Olivia Coleman so I would be here for that, but Jackson is in The Marvels, so if she does replace him I'm assuming that will be in the future. I'm also assuming he will be in Secret Wars? I don't know much about that storyline, but I'm guessing this was leading to it.

[angora]

6 hours ago, Spartan Girl said:

He was in a hospital gown and could barely walk. So that pretty much confirms it was after the battle in Civil War. So everything we've seen from Rhodey from that point on was literally skrullshit.

Fair point about the hospital gown, I didn’t think of that. As for his mobility, I’d just reassumed the Skrulls took the braces Tony made for him. That brings up another question for me: did Skrull Rhodey need to use his braces? If you shapeshift into a disabled person, does your body take on their disability?

 

5 hours ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

100 percent agree! I would add a similar acknowledgement that Rhodey is a Black man whose experiences are shaped by that as well, except of course it was SkRhodey.

Agreed! I thought that was a downside to Rhodey being a Skrull, realizing that the way they related to each other in that scene wasn’t genuine.

[greekmom]

What a load of codswallop. G'iah is now the most powerful being. Again, codswallop.

Olivia Coleman again does a decent job with the crap she's been given.

I don't buy that those humans didn't have exposure issues being held hostage. And I don't buy that Rhodey  was taken after Civil War. I thought that the Avengers compound had full medical so wouldn't he have been treated there for his injuries and not in a hospital?

And I STILL don't buy that Carol Danvers shed blood or that the others did too during the battle. Very few did. Again, watch the deleted kneeling scene of Endgame.

At least it is over and I can say goodbye to Disney+. This time I'll give K.E.V.I.N. as the reason.

 

[Chicago Redshirt]

2 hours ago, Affogato said:

I don't know, if the skrulls resist radiation because their shapeshifty little cells bounce back to some template then how do they absorb and keep the myriad of abilities they would get from the Harvest? If you are resistant to radiation can't this be in part because you are resistant to mutation?

And isn't the point of the Avengers that their character is worth more than their powers?

As far as the skrull detector

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In the comics there is one, right? I believe Reed Richards develops it, and they keep on dithering about who is going to play Mr Fantastic, so I assume this is a way to drop a detail into the story that will 'bear fruit' later in one of the movies, but at this point, since we haven't really seen hair nor hide of any of the fantastic four (not just the Invisible Woman), this is clumsy. Also, if he did, why wouldn't he cast it over his cabinet every day, since Skrulls could replace them at any time.

 

I don't know if the reason the Skrulls can resist base radiation is specifically their shapeshifting cells or something else. But presumably Super-Skrull machine allows them to manifest the abilities of anybody whose DNA was involved in the sample.

Which was a lot of people. The mechanics of how it works (how they can effortlessly go from Mantis's abilities to Captain Marvel's to whoever's, how long they can retain them, how many they can use of people's abilities at a time) I guess just have to be handwaved.

I think it's true that the Avengers' characters tend to be great, but as I think we'll see if there were a bunch of superpowered people with not-so-great characters, they might win the day over powered people with great characters.

What happens in the comics is for the purpose of the MCU an interesting sidenote. But my question/confusion has to purely with what's in the MCU. It's relevant if we're meant to think that there was a way to detect Skrulls all along that for some reason Fury and Sonya didn't employ, if between the reveal of the Skrulls a viable Skrull detector was created, or if the president is bluffing/lying about there being a Skrull detector.

The first makes Fury/Sonya/the rest idiots for not ever employing it. The second means (presumably) a significant amount of time may have passed. The third has implications for how the president is fighting this anti-Skrull war.

[Affogato]

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1026867/russia-number-of-nuclear-reactors-by-status/

 

A cording to this there are ten nuclear reactors in Russia that are permanently shut down. I think Gravik is set up in one of these. 

[Jenniferbug]

What a waste. Exciting premise, stellar cast, potential for fun spy stuff and we got...this. 

Why Sonya didn't knee cap Skrull Rhodey to prove to the president he was an alien makes absolutely no sense when she literally pulled that move last week with shooting that guy in the hand. 

Rhodey being a Skrull since Civil War is so infuriating that I refuse to believe it, out of sheer hope that they'll undo it before he appears in Armor Wars or wherever. 

And really?? No other reveals about who is a Skrull? All the build up and no surprise reveals? 

I knew it was G'iah from moment one of her showing up for the chat with Gravik. How stupid of Fury to actually send the harvest with her, but it was stupid of him to collect it in the first place for any purpose other than to destroy it so no one else could use it. 

So G'iah is now the most powerful person in the entire MCU. Awesome. What's the point of any future shows or movies or team ups when she could just show up and handle everything single handedly. And people thought Carol was overpowered...

After the midway point of the series I didn't have high hopes that they would pull off the finale but this was really bad. 

I really wish Marvel would get itself together again. Since Endgame, just about everything has felt disjointed and disconnected. I miss the sense that there would be payoff and continuity. Like many of you said above, I miss when Marvel was good. 

[Guest]

So someone took She-Hulk’s deliberately absurd big fight and thought they could make it stupider. The credits were AI but now I wouldn’t be surprised if the script was also AI.

It’s almost impressive just how bad that was. 

[Stardancer Supreme]

Okay. I'm still coming down from the high of the awesome Star Trek: Strange New Worlds episode I watched earlier, so I had ... hopes for the Secret Invasion finale to be at least good.

 Anyway, I also knew it was G'iah who had to face off with Gravik. Fury, for all his prowess, is still a non-powered human being. He isn't nearly stupid enough to think that he could take Gravik on by himself.  Gravik, on the other hand? He was so blinded by his love/hate for his daddy/mentor that he couldn't see that this wasn't Fury after getting hopped up on Avengers DNA?  I mean, a human undergoing a Skrull infusion method should have reduced them to a puddle.  I handwaved it away since G'iah had to be the one to kill him. Too bad Fury won't get to hear Gravik's last words.

I am grateful for Sonya Falsworth for classing up the joint a little. I wonder what her species is; could she be a Kree?  Now she and G'iah can run things a lot better than the men. Is there going to be hurt feelings and hit dogs hollering?

This show should have been 10 episodes. They left so much on the cutting room floor that could have made this show as good as Wandavision.  

In regards to Carol's powers, isn't she half Kree? (At least she is in the comics.  Don't mind me, I'll be re-reading her Captain Marvel comics series like the old school comic head I am...)

I just wish that K.E.V.I.N. would just stick closer to the source material for the MCU.  Good writers can make the MCU a decent mode of entertainment by embracing the casuals and not insulting the comic heads at the same damn time!

Edited July 27, 2023 by Stardancer Supreme

[Raja]

12 minutes ago, Stardancer Supreme said:

In regards to Carol's powers, isn't she half Kree? (At least she is in the comics.  Don't mind me, I'll be re-reading her Captain Marvel comics series like the old school comic head I am...)

Somehow in the MCU the Tesseract and its Infinity Stone mutated her into some sort of hybrid. That also caused  most of her human memories to be  wiped and as of her movie are mostly of being a Kree soldier.

[Guest]

22 minutes ago, Stardancer Supreme said:

In regards to Carol's powers, isn't she half Kree?

No. Or at least not that it has been revealed in the movies. There’s no way of knowing what the Kree did to her other than a transfusion of Kree blood and inhibiting her powers. It makes as much sense as anything else to say the explosion altered her DNA or that her DNA was already unique in some way that allowed her to absorb the infinity stone energy. 

Them getting Carol’s powers made me roll my eyes but it was the idea that any one being could alter their DNA enough to hold that many abilities that how found preposterous.