S06.E6: Dangerous Liaisons

[greekmom]

14 hours ago, DEL901 said:

I think we sometimes underestimate just how much we absorb just by listening to those around us, on tv etc.   David doesn’t have this luxury.  

I am going throw this out there. What if production told David that he can't use the words penis or vagina or any slag terms for those parts and David had to improvise?  I mean he does sign instead of talk and I can see either a) Sharp telling him not to sign those words or b) Sharp mistranslating them.

I know he and Sheila are getting a good edit but I wouldn't put it past Sharp. I mean look at all the talk it's generated.

Edited July 11, 2023 by greekmom

[Stuckathome]

20 hours ago, greekmom said:

Watching catfished on youtube, sometimes, it takes the actual real person who's photos were stolen to tell the person being catfished (in this case Tyrall): "I've never talked to you. Never received money from you. I don't know you. I am a victim too."  So they will FINALLY BELIEVE it.

https://nypost.com/2023/07/11/flight-attendant-catfished-into-relationship-with-tv-star-shares-cunning-ways-she-was-duped-by-subhuman-creature/

Interesting article about a very elaborate catfish----ladies and gentlemen, beware----this one (in case you don't want or can't read the whole thing) even used AI software to be able to video chat with the victim and make it appear she was talking to the real deal. 

[Raja]

1 hour ago, greekmom said:

I am going throw this out there. What if production told David that he can't use the words penis or vagina or any slag terms for those parts and David had to improvise?  I mean he does sign instead of talk and I can see either a) Sharp telling him not to sign those words or b) Sharp mistranslating them.

I know he and Sheila are getting a good edit but I wouldn't put it past Sharp. I mean look at all the talk it's generated.

Putting porn, after the money shot, on the air is a tricky proposition, broadcast standards being a potential concern for wide distribution. I am going to assume David had closed captioning and had been exposed to the same clinical and slang terminology as I have been trough popular entertainment. And the adult industry tends to adopt technologies first 

I'm just surprised that these shows have evolved to we are going to meet and have sex, follows us into where we about to have sex, were coming out now to talk about our first sex. I wouldn't be surprised if they get another virgin in the future and they bring out the bloody sheets as proof. 

[Drogo]

In case you missed the episode, here's a quick visual recap! 

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JASMINE: 

GINO: 

 

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STATLER: 

 

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CHRISTIAN: 

CLEO: 

 

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VIOLET'S BESTIE:

VIOLET: 

RILEY: 

 

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SHEILA: 

DAVID:

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Maybe David uses banana and donut because he spends too much time at the grocery store.

Personally I would call the back door donut and the front croissant.

[Mr. Miner]

It's a damn shame David couldn't get his PeePee in Sheila's WeeWee.

Edited July 11, 2023 by Mr. Miner

[Drogo]

All I know is next time I get to Voodoo Donuts it’s gonna be a hard pass on the Banana Cream one.

[magemaud]

10 hours ago, MrBuhBye said:

Looks like the naughty dessert place is a chain

https://www.betterthansexdesserts.com/locations/

Anybody want to go in on a franchise? 

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33 minutes ago, magemaud said:

Anybody want to go in on a franchise? 

It seemed cruel to expect lesbians to know how to take blow job shots.

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Apparently another version does exist:

 

[KateHearts]

On 7/10/2023 at 12:25 PM, FrancescaFiore said:

I can't possibly be the only person questioning David's level of intellectual development now that we've seen him refer to "bananas" and "donuts." What sort of adult talks like that? If you're mature enough to be having sex, you're mature enough to talk about it like a goddamn grown-up. I'm now even more disgusted with how David's deafness is being handled/portrayed, because it seems pretty evident that both he and Sheila (she, to a far lesser degree) have some developmental arrest and they're just being exploited horribly by this show. I used to NEED to watch each episode as it aired, to avoid spoilers and be able to snark in real time with all y'all. Now I have to record the episodes so I can FFW through certain couples.

 

I think that since he has been deaf his entire life, David misses out on the social cues and nuances that we all take for granted as hearing people. What is ok/not ok to discuss and the use of blatantly descriptive language vs having a little more subtlety. On top of that, though, it's maddening that the producers have absolutely capitalized on his deafness as entertainment: muting all sound when he is featured walking through the market, for example. 

I just think overall, this franchise has hopped from "interesting couples who are different from most of us and who want to get together with someone from another country" to "really weird people and people with obvious emotional issues who we can exploit for viewership." My lord- in this episode alone we heard (again) about Gino's inability/disinterest in getting it up (and in past episodes Jasmine's discussions about butt plugs, porn and jerking off in the bathroom); all of the inappropriate places Statler has had sex; we've watched Statler essentially perform oral sex on a dessert (what the hell was that restaurant, really?); and we've heard in great detail about Sheila's pain during sex, the way they pleasured one another (my mouth was gaping open at the nipple comments) and his graphic banana/donut details. I mean, come on. Every one of these people seems to either have sold their soul or is too damaged to realize that they are embarrassing themselves for the sake of a buck.

Edited July 11, 2023 by KateHearts

[TwirlyGirly]

On 7/10/2023 at 2:25 PM, FrancescaFiore said:

I can't possibly be the only person questioning David's level of intellectual development now that we've seen him refer to "bananas" and "donuts."

There's nothing wrong with David's intellectual development; unlike many who are deaf, David can read.

Illiteracy is high among the deaf because it's extremely difficult to learn to read a language you cannot hear.

There's more about why it's so hard for the deaf to learn how to read here.

He may have thought it was better to use euphemisms on TV, especially if he hasn't watched a lot of TV and seen the actual anatomical names for genitals used.

I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. 

[Texasmom1970]

On 7/9/2023 at 9:48 PM, Lurk said:

It just occurred to me that Jasmine spends $3500 on hair extensions to make her hair look like a huge frizzy mess? 

Here in Houston the heat and humidity does that to my hair for free!

[TwirlyGirly]

6 hours ago, KateHearts said:

On top of that, though, it's maddening that the producers have absolutely capitalized on his deafness as entertainment: muting all sound when he is featured walking through the market, for example. 

They include the ambient sounds surrounding the cast members during their scenes because those sounds can affect mood (make them feel happy, anxious, angry, difficult to hear each other, etc) so they're a vital part of every scene. 

David doesn't hear any of those ambient sounds, so he's not affected by them. By muting the ambient sounds in his scenes we get a small glimpse into how he experiences the world.

Why wouldn't they do that? 

How the normal sounds of daily living around us influences our mood is not something I'd given much thought until I saw those scenes, so for me they were educational, not entertaining. 

FTR, I've been disabled since birth and use a manual wheelchair for mobility, so I'm very sensitive to the exploitation of people with disabilities in the media. This does not fall into that category, IMO.

[Natalie68]

On 7/10/2023 at 8:53 AM, Quof said:

Violet's younger daughter was stunning.   How old is Violet? 

Yes!  How could Riley NOT KNOW that of anyone to bring gifts to, it would be Violet's mother????  I think Violet needs to find a less accusatory dude who is more confident.  She has it going on and doesn't seem to NEED him.

[Elizzikra]

13 hours ago, Texasmom1970 said:

Here in Houston the heat and humidity does that to my hair for free!

I thought Houston was dry heat???

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1 hour ago, Elizzikra said:

I thought Houston was dry heat???

I think that’s more desert states.  Houston is close to the Gulf of Mexico.

[Breedom]

On 7/10/2023 at 1:07 PM, Stuckathome said:

Riley was a jackass. There is no chemistry, no affection between the two of them at all. I thought it was a nice gesture to bring the daughters gifts and they at least seemed somewhat useful and appropriate. I sort of love her no nonsense attitude

SO FAR I like Riley and not Violet. I think Riley is already attached to Violet and longs for some kind of reciprocal feelings from her, which he's not getting at all. So then he turns needy and demanding. Violet isn't a nurturing person; she's direct, doesn't beat around the bush and doesn't gravitate towards any sensitivity. Just two different personalities. Violet seems harsh to me, certainly she could try being a little kinder. Oh, and her comment in the clothes shop about Riley being ugly - what a stupid thing to say. Girl, it's not funny and it's mean. Violet IMHO isn't a beauty and her personality needs improvement. Not a big catch in my book.

On 7/10/2023 at 1:07 PM, Stuckathome said:

Statler....this is going to be such a trainwreck.

Yup. She's someone who feels the need to "shock" people with her "wacky" personality. Girl, you can do better.

[Stuckathome]

17 minutes ago, Breedom said:

Girl, it's not funny and it's mean.

I think this is a cultural issue....she mentioned that it was how they joke around in Vietnam. I know when I lived in Peru, the first time a shopkeeper called me fat I went home and cried. And then over time I realized they didn't see that as an insult. It was just a descriptor and they didnt' put any emotional attachment to it. (I was trying to get help setting up something I had purchased and she called a manager and said---see, I will never forget it---Yes, it is the fat American woman from yesterday. I am fluent in Spanish and called her out on it, "did you just call me fat?" and she gave me this very confused smile like WTF is wrong with this woman lol). I agree with you though that she just has a very cold personality and is not affectionate, very reserved. 

Edited July 12, 2023 by Stuckathome

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20 minutes ago, Stuckathome said:

I think this is a cultural issue....she mentioned that it was how they joke around in Vietnam. I know when I lived in Peru, the first time a shopkeeper called me fat I went home and cried. And then over time I realized they didn't see that as an insult. It was just a descriptor and they didnt' put any emotional attachment to it. (I was trying to get help setting up something I had purchased and she called a manager and said---see, I will never forget it---Yes, it is the fat American woman from yesterday. I am fluent in Spanish and called her out on it, "did you just call me fat?" and she gave me this very confused smile like WTF is wrong with this woman lol). I agree with you though that she just has a very cold personality and is not affectionate, very reserved. 

My mom used to describe people as heavyset without any apparent intention other than to be descriptive.  

[Texasmom1970]

3 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

I thought Houston was dry heat???

Unfortunately not at all. The best way to describe Houston weather in the summer. Super hot and when you step outside you are hit with a wall of humidity.  Feels like you are swimming instead of walking. The mix is oppressive!

[Scarlett45]

On 7/12/2023 at 12:06 AM, TwirlyGirly said:

They include the ambient sounds surrounding the cast members during their scenes because those sounds can affect mood (make them feel happy, anxious, angry, difficult to hear each other, etc) so they're a vital part of every scene. 

David doesn't hear any of those ambient sounds, so he's not affected by them. By muting the ambient sounds in his scenes we get a small glimpse into how he experiences the world.

Why wouldn't they do that? 

How the normal sounds of daily living around us influences our mood is not something I'd given much thought until I saw those scenes, so for me they were educational, not entertaining. 

FTR, I've been disabled since birth and use a manual wheelchair for mobility, so I'm very sensitive to the exploitation of people with disabilities in the media. This does not fall into that category, IMO.

Yeah I agree with you @TwirlyGirly (thank you for sharing your experiences with us). 
 

I know there are so many stereotypes about Deaf people and how they interact in the hearing world. I never thought there was anything wrong with David’s intelligence, 1. ASL and English are two distinct languages so the slang terms for genitals/sexual activity probably aren’t the same, 2. He might have actually found the euphemisms humorous. Sheila may have been more comfortable with euphemisms given her experience with English and the fact that this was on tv for her PARENTS to see. Not MY cup of tea but that says nothing about his intelligence. 
 

I don’t think David (or Sheila) are being exploited. David is a grown ass man who’s pursuing a relationship with a woman who can economically benefit from being with him. Sheila seems genuine too- I don’t think she’s using David but I think she knows this relationship can be very advantageous for her and her family so she wants it to work out. 
 

I actually liked that they mute ambient sounds in David’s scenes- like you said it gives me insight into his experience which is rarely represented. 

[Elizzikra]

On 7/13/2023 at 2:47 PM, Scarlett45 said:

I don’t think David (or Sheila) are being exploited. David is a grown ass man who’s pursuing a relationship with a woman who can economically benefit from being with him. Sheila seems genuine too- I don’t think she’s using David but I think she knows this relationship can be very advantageous for her and her family so she wants it to work out. 

I actually liked that they mute ambient sounds in David’s scenes- like you said it gives me insight into his experience which is rarely represented. 

I think that Sheila also actually likes David. I’m impressed that she learned at least a little sign language. I’m sure that it’s never far from mind that her economic circumstances will improve if she marries David and moves to the US (as will those of her family) but unlike some of the people featured on this show, I think there is at least some baseline fondness there. 

[Scarlett45]

1 minute ago, Elizzikra said:

I think that Sheila also actually likes David. I’m impressed that she learned at least a little sign language. I’m sure that it’s never far from mind that her economic circumstances will improve if she marries David and moves to the US (as will those of her family) but unlike some of the people featured on this show, I think there is at least some baseline fondness there. 

Yeah. Sheila seems to have a bubbly personality which shines here, I think that’s actually a good match for a more low key David. 

[anoninrva]

3 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

Yeah. Sheila seems to have a bubbly personality which shines here, I think that’s actually a good match for a more low key David. 

She has an adorable smile.

[magemaud]

Did you see the hilarious Bonus Scene in tonight’s More to Love where Cleo made Christian dessert? She made tiramisu but used matcha instead of espresso so it was green. She gave him a huge slice of it and while he was eating, the camera cut to the counter where the cat was also helping herself. 

Edited July 15, 2023 by magemaud
Corrected his name and added photo

[Scarlett45]

1 hour ago, magemaud said:

Did you see the hilarious Bonus Scene in tonight’s More to Love where Cleo made Matthew dessert? She made tiramisu but used matcha instead of espresso so it was green. She gave him a huge slice of it and while he was eating, the camera cut to the counter where the cat was also helping herself. 

My cat Mr Norris who died June 2020, he’s in my picture on the right, LOVED green tea ice cream! I need to watch that scene. I’m not a big fan of tiramisu, BUT a matcha one sounds pretty tasty. Also I love Cleo’s cats- they have such sweet faces!

[magemaud]

I think I’ve figured out why Jasmine looks so different in her THs. It’s not just the eye lift and other facial procedures, she’s also wearing nude lipstick instead of that smeared on bright red 

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2 hours ago, magemaud said:

Did you see the hilarious Bonus Scene in tonight’s More to Love where Cleo made Matthew dessert? She made tiramisu but used matcha instead of espresso so it was green. She gave him a huge slice of it and while he was eating, the camera cut to the counter where the cat was also helping herself. 

I’ve heard of substituting Kahlua for rum as it’s less harsh and adds to the coffee note.

25 minutes ago, magemaud said:

instead of that smeared on bright red 

It’s very clownish not the sexy she thinks it is.

[Doublemint]

On 7/11/2023 at 10:22 PM, TwirlyGirly said:

There's nothing wrong with David's intellectual development; unlike many who are deaf, David can read.

Illiteracy is high among the deaf because it's extremely difficult to learn to read a language you cannot hear.

There's more about why it's so hard for the deaf to learn how to read here.

He may have thought it was better to use euphemisms on TV, especially if he hasn't watched a lot of TV and seen the actual anatomical names for genitals used.

I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. 

Yes - I'm a retired teacher.  Children have to speak language, before they are ready to read.   He is intelligent if he can read as noted above.

[Chalby]

I have not read any responses yet, but I just finished watching the program. I am so annoyed with Christian, I don't know what his game is. All I know is any guy that intentionally tells his so-called girlfriend that he's a social creature who means no harm, and can't help being "magnetic" is full of shit. Maybe in his mind he'd like to think that's how he appears, but not to me he appears like a jerk. He tells her the story of the plane where he clearly creeped out two women, claims he's magnetic, and then purposely tries to chat up some women celebrate in their own occasion is not someone who is magnetic. He's trying to pretend he's someone he is not. If he was so damn alluring to others he wouldn't have to travel that far to to flirt with women in front of his girlfriend. I hope he turns things around because right now I do not like him.

[Chalby]

I'm not sure what to think about Riley and Violet because I haven't seen Violet being extremely jealous about Riley. As well, for her to have to sneak out to visit her friends because they're men, and Riley would not approve, is a red flag. I don't believe she would cheat on him and I don't believe it's an issue he needs to worry about, but I believe Riley's insecurity is weird, and could potentially make it a problem.

Violet seems pretty straight forward (and her humour actually reminds me of my Korean friends). I do understand Violet's interactions with her friends, where they're joking by exaggerating rudeness. I know because I joke like this with my friends all the time, but we do it to each other not about our mates. But I have jokingly teased my husband in front of our friends, but he gets my humor.

When I heard Riley's explanation as to why violets comments hurt him so much, I completely understood. I'm glad he said what he did about  being so tall and looking totally different from everyone else, so It's understandable why he took it personally as a "real" observation. And I'm glad he did tell her because I, like Violet, never considered it a serious insult because that's the joke. When you jokingly introduce someone who's clearly a good looking and say yeah this is my my ugly old ass friend. When it's clearly not what they're saying.

Poor Riley, I didn't realize he had low self-esteem as it should be obvious to anyone, he's anything but ugly.

[Meh]

I don't like Riley at all. I hope Violet doesn't hook up with him, as I think he may be a bully. His friend or sister is no better either. Violet seems to have a good life, why she would bow down to Riley is beyond me?

[Gobi]

12 minutes ago, Meh said:

I don't like Riley at all. I hope Violet doesn't hook up with him, as I think he may be a bully. His friend or sister is no better either. Violet seems to have a good life, why she would bow down to Riley is beyond me?

With a lot of these couples, I wonder if the foreigner really expected the American to come to their country. 

[Stuckathome]

On 7/18/2023 at 10:23 AM, Gobi said:

With a lot of these couples, I wonder if the foreigner really expected the American to come to their country. 

BINGO!! Based on the timing, I think a lot of the people started "dating" (that is texting) during Covid lockdowns. I have no doubt that for some of the foreigners who face strict lockdowns, money was tight and they may have gone online looking for "love" (i.e. a foreign sucker to send $$) and never really thought the person would fly thousands of miles to try and give it a real go. Especially those who act up, like Violet, at this point she probably expected he would have blocked her by now so she was free to focus on a new mark. For others, maybe they developed some type of feelings and they don't want to lose the cash so hey why not keep texting and if they show up, show them around and then make a zillion excuses as to why you can't leave for teh US. Or do, and ditch them the second you land. 

[Raja]

17 minutes ago, Stuckathome said:

BINGO!! Based on the timing, I think a lot of the people started "dating" (that is texting) during Covid lockdowns. I have no doubt that for some of the foreigners who face strict lockdowns, money was tight and they may have gone online looking for "love" (i.e. a foreign sucker to send $$) and never really thought the person would fly thousands of miles to try and give it a real go. Especially those who act up, like Violet, at this point she probably expected he would have blocked her by now so she was free to focus on a new mark. For others, maybe they developed some type of feelings and they don't want to lose the cash so hey why not keep texting and if they show up, show them around and then make a zillion excuses as to why you can't leave for teh US. Or do, and ditch them the second you land. 

That they volunteered to have TV crews follow them and talk about their initial sexual interactions for our entertainment means the assumptions we would normally make need to be thrown out. I wouldn't be surprised if the crews left a camera and memory card for future sales to Only Fans when the 90 Day franchise is through with them.

[Squishy Tomato]

Cleo jumping into a taxi and asking "Can we go to the airport?" ..... noone would say that in real life because London has 6 airports.

I am from the UK and have never, ever come across someone called Dempsey. Agree with above that it's probably a pseudonym.

Edited August 15, 2023 by Squishy Tomato
My first post was unclear

[Shrek]

4 hours ago, Squishy Tomato said:

Cleo jumping into a taxi and asking "Can we go to the airport?" ..... noone would say that in real life because London has 6 airports.

I am from the UK and have never, ever come across someone called Dempsey. Agree with above that it's probably a pseudonym.

Never called a taxi or used an Uber/Lyft? The driver knows where he/she is picking up the person & unless there was a change of plan already knows which airport and how to get there. 

[Elizzikra]

12 hours ago, Squishy Tomato said:

Cleo jumping into a taxi and asking "Can we go to the airport?" ..... noone would say that in real life because London has 6 airports.

I am from the UK and have never, ever come across someone called Dempsey. Agree with above that it's probably a pseudonym.

But, but… she has a nameplate necklace!

[Back Atcha]

On 7/10/2023 at 1:51 PM, DEL901 said:

Statler? Who names a kid after one of the Muppet Show balcony hecklers?

There's also the country/gospel quartet who had many hits...and who backed Johnny Cash early in their career: The Statler Brothers.  Maybe her parents were country music fans.

[CrazyInAlabama]

2 hours ago, Back Atcha said:

There's also the country/gospel quartet who had many hits...and who backed Johnny Cash early in their career: The Statler Brothers.  Maybe her parents were country music fans.

The Statler Brothers named their group after a facial tissue and toilet tissue brand.  The company closed a lot of years ago.