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[Annber03]

4 hours ago, Albanyguy said:

Considering his disdain for his lawyers and his belief that he's smarter than everybody in the world, I'm surprised that he didn't insist on acting as his own attorney and defending himself. I would have thought that he would have loved cross-examining witnesses and addressing the jury. Maybe he floated the idea and someone talked him out of it.

My mom said the same thing there, too. She actually shouted at the TV, "So just go up there yourself if you think you can do better!" 

3 hours ago, BusyOctober said:

I don’t know if this is right, but I think Randolph himself was the reason for the delays.  He kept firing his attorneys, so then the new batch of lawyers needed time to create their case...until he fired that team. Wash, rinse, repeat. .

I loved how he kept whining about how it shouldn't have taken so many years to get to this point, I was like, "You're the main reason this craziness has dragged out for so damn long, you idiot." 

[Guest]

15 hours ago, arejay said:

I’m probably going to hell for this, but whatever. If, God forbid, there is a movie made about this miscreant, Roseanne Barr would make the perfect Tommy. 

No, I don’t think you are.  But if you do I’m sure you’ll be in the company of many others who thought the same thing.

I did have one good belly laugh though when Colleen’s mothers’ friend shouted out “THAT’S A WOMAN’!!  The friend was so proper and elegant but certainly could not contain her thoughts.  I’d be willing to bet her other friends thought the same thing but didn’t want to proclaim it out loud.  

And Colleen.  What a sweet, kind yet broken person.  She has two adorable children, a beautiful home, sharp looking GSD, and from all appearances a loving, understanding husband.  As a counselor I hope she finds an experienced therapist who specialized in grief.  It will help her immensely.  She just seems like she’d be a terrific friend.  I wish her the best.

And while I’m wishing...I wish that Randolph person would get what he deserves.  Twice.

Edited February 22, 2021 by PsychoKlown

[iMonrey]

I missed what happened to the first attorney, the one from OJ's team. Did Randolph fire him too?

Randolph is a true psychopath. His mother was sitting up on that witness stand using an oxygen tank and crying her eyes out and Randolph himself was just stone-faced. 

The prosecutor reminded me of some actress but I'm not sure who. It bugged me she kept saying "His gig is up." Um, what? I think the phrase she's looking for is "the jig is up." 

At the end of the day I feel like three episodes was too excessive. I really didn't need multiple interviews with the victims daughters and granddaughters saying the same things over and over. I get it, you're daughter will never know her mother. It's sad. I don't need to hear it three times. NBC is trying too hard to follow a Netflix serialized documentary. There's just not enough material for that with this case.

[LakeGal]

Randolph could easily be the next Dirty John for that series.  

[JudyObscure]

23 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

I missed what happened to the first attorney, the one from OJ's team. Did Randolph fire him too?

Randolph is a true psychopath. His mother was sitting up on that witness stand using an oxygen tank and crying her eyes out and Randolph himself was just stone-faced. 

The prosecutor reminded me of some actress but I'm not sure who. It bugged me she kept saying "His gig is up." Um, what? I think the phrase she's looking for is "the jig is up." 

At the end of the day I feel like three episodes was too excessive. I really didn't need multiple interviews with the victims daughters and granddaughters saying the same things over and over. I get it, you're daughter will never know her mother. It's sad. I don't need to hear it three times. NBC is trying too hard to follow a Netflix serialized documentary. There's just not enough material for that with this case.

The OJ lawyer said that Randolph didn't have enough money to pay him but he wouldn't have taken the case because Randolph would want to run things.  Smart man.

The prosecutor reminded me a little of Jennifer Connelly.  The blond judge fascinated me.  She was so young to have reached the top of her game and so good looking.  I want to be her when I grow up!

I  agree we had  more than we needed of Sharon's daughter, Colleen.  She had so much to say and said it quite well, but when she finally got on the witness stand I thought she didn't do a very good job, she was so hard to hear through her sobs.  Poor thing.  I hate to see the victim's family members devote the whole rest of their lives to "getting justice" for their loved ones.  I want to tell them they're gone, they would rather you let it go and be happy.  At least that's what I would want.  I liked Dean O'Kelly's take on it.  Randolph's punishment wont really get started until the day he dies.

[Kimmmmmm]

15 hours ago, arejay said:

I’m probably going to hell for this, but whatever. If, God forbid, there is a movie made about this miscreant, Roseanne Barr would make the perfect Tommy. 

Yes!!! And no, you're not going to hell...if so, I'll be there, too 

Edited February 22, 2021 by Kimmmmmm

[dshgr]

5 hours ago, Melina22 said:

I'll never understand why malignant narcissists get away with so much.

I don't either, and my mother was one.

[Tabbygirl521]

On 2/21/2021 at 8:01 PM, Annber03 said:

Tom picked a lawyer that represented O.J. freaking Simpson. Because of course he did. My god, the cojones on this guy. It doesn't surprise me one bit that he's gone through a lot of lawyers. 

Also, literally no one cares about how many women you claim to have slept with, dude. Not a single person. Shut up. Good lord, I feel like I need a shower after listening to how he talked about women throughout this episode. Talk about delusional.

It's beyond maddening that he's got a new trial. I get that it can be risky to use people's pasts like that sometimes in trials, but in this case, everything with Beckie is very much relevant to what happened with Sharon. And the snarky way he talks about his wives really doesn't help his claims of innocence, either.

I hope the conviction stays. I want that nasty little cocky smirk to be knocked off his face once and for all. 

 

I was sure he was going to end up deciding to represent himself.

what a complete dirtbag. All those sly little reminders about what a stud he is. VOMIT.  Any man who says “I love all women” is a condescending jackass. “Women,” the faceless masses. At least he takes them shopping to satisfy his female gene while knowing that later he’ll be undressing them  JFC  

And his Lady Macbeth-style hand rubbing when he was being sentenced.

I am just nauseated that he’s getting a new trial. Maybe he’ll croak first. 

Edited February 23, 2021 by Tabbygirl521

[Annber03]

45 minutes ago, Tabbygirl521 said:

At least he takes them shopping to satisfy his female gene while knowing that later he’ll be undressing them  JFC  

That part legit made my stomach churn. UGH. And then he said something later about how the women gave him a baby and their body, and then they married him, or words to that effect? Like, gee, we see where your priorities are. I feel bad for his kids. 

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Annber03 said:

I feel bad for his kids. 

As do I. 

Did you see Sonny-boy’s mannerisms and appearance?  And exact copy of his father.

In my line of work I often see women who prefer a male companion (mostly a dud) over being alone.  It is ingrained in them that they need a man to “complete” their lives.  I point out that sometimes having true friends, a modest bank account and living in a small apartment can be preferable to a larger home, bigger car and dining companions if their chosen companion brings nothing but grief and heartache.

They insist on choosing companionship because they don’t want to die alone....

It’s not the total answer but it might help explain some of what we watched over the past three nights.

[Melina22]

15 hours ago, iMonrey said:

The prosecutor reminded me of some actress but I'm not sure who. It bugged me she kept saying "His gig is up." Um, what? I think the phrase she's looking for is "the jig is up." 

I know! I really liked her and was embarrassed for her when she used that phrase in her closing argument. (It reminded me of The IT Crowd) 

15 hours ago, JudyObscure said:

The prosecutor reminded me a little of Jennifer Connelly.  The blond judge fascinated me.  She was so young to have reached the top of her game and so good looking.  I want to be her when I grow up!

I know! I was startled when I saw her, although her demeanor was appropriately judgy. 

I can't stand how awful he is. I kept thinking that if you took a person with his personality disorder and gave them huge amounts of power, influence and money, you'd have... well, any number of evil tyrants throughout history. 

Horrifying that he's getting another trial, especially since it sounds like they won't be able to bring Utah into it. 

Did anyone else see the ad for Mommy Doomsday? I believe it's a podcast about Laurie Daybell. But maybe a show? The name Dateline was on the ad. 

[12catcrazy]

Wow. Oh Wow.   I'll tell ya, I almost lost my dinner while watching the final episode.  What a vile shit stain of an excuse for a human being.  I keep hoping that one day we'll read of him getting shived in prison, because somebody should remove this disgusting person from possibly getting released from custody, because you just KNOW if he gets away with this murder yet again, he'll kill somebody else.    

His kids sort of amazed me.  When they interviewed his first wife, who I am assuming is their mother, I didn't think that she felt very kindly towards him.   All I could think of is that maybe he spent a bunch of his murder income on them.   And I'm glad that the one wife, Gayna, ran for the hills the first chance she got.  She was frightened of him and escaped in time.   I can't see what these women found so attractive about this guy.  From the first we saw of him on the show, he just turned my stomach.   Early on, I thought the twist was going to be that he was really a woman or trans-sexual because he looked more like an unattractive woman than a man.  

A big High Five to the cops who gave a damn enough to really investigate this case.  How many times have we seen on these shows, people (usually women) who are murdered and sloppy/lazy police work writes off the case and the murderer is out running around until somebody else reopens the case.   It's just such a shame that the cops in this case (including the guy in Utah) got a slap in the face with this one.  

And finally, it's going to be interesting to see what is going to happen with the next trial.  Any bets saying that the lawyers will claim that since this case has been on national TV, the potential jury pool has been tainted and there is no way that Randolph will get a fair trial?  

[iMonrey]

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The blond judge fascinated me.  She was so young to have reached the top of her game and so good looking.  I want to be her when I grow up!

I guess she's not exactly at the top of her game, though, since the state supreme court ruled she erred in allowing evidence from the previous dead wife's trial. Which, to me, is crazy. Imagine being a jury member and not being told the guy who's on trial for murdering his wife has a bunch of other dead wives. And you voted "not guilty" then found out after the fact. Wouldn't that make you angry? That's something a jury needs to know. Seems pretty damn relevant to me.

[Annber03]

4 hours ago, 12catcrazy said:

Any bets saying that the lawyers will claim that since this case has been on national TV, the potential jury pool has been tainted and there is no way that Randolph will get a fair trial?  

My mom was wondering about that, too. I can definitely see them trying to pull that argument, though, considering how much Tom loved the camera and eagerly talked to them, I'm curious if a judge will go for that.

6 hours ago, PsychoKlown said:

In my line of work I often see women who prefer a male companion (mostly a dud) over being alone.  It is ingrained in them that they need a man to “complete” their lives.  I point out that sometimes having true friends, a modest bank account and living in a small apartment can be preferable to a larger home, bigger car and dining companions if their chosen companion brings nothing but grief and heartache.

They insist on choosing companionship because they don’t want to die alone....

It’s not the total answer but it might help explain some of what we watched over the past three nights.

Mmhm. I think this is definitely a part of why this stuff keeps happening. Or they feel they have to "settle" for what's out there, because even when they're looking for companionship for reasons other than not wanting to die alone, they believe nobody better will ever come along. 

[12catcrazy]

59 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

Mmhm. I think this is definitely a part of why this stuff keeps happening. Or they feel they have to "settle" for what's out there, because even when they're looking for companionship for reasons other than not wanting to die alone, they believe nobody better will ever come along. 

In this case, it might be a part of why the women wound up with this monster, but the three wives who were murdered were all apparently terrified of him and stayed because they were too afraid to leave.  The first wife got out alive (probably because he hadn't murdered anybody yet) and the other wife who escaped did so with no notice and, I think, left town.  

We really don't know much about what happened with the ex-wife who died of cancer years after she left.  The show didn't seem to get into his situation with her other than pointing her out as one of the dead wives.  

These types of men can turn on the charm and then when they become abusive, scare the woman into staying.  Look at what's in the news right now re Shia LaBeouf and the singer/dancer FKA Twigs.   Granted, Shia LaBeouf is a famous actor but for the last number of years the guy usually looks as if he Method Acting the part of a bum.   And yet this beautiful, talented young woman with a good career and money of her own got sucked into his craziness.  And she was afraid to leave him until she finally felt that he probably would kill her if she didn't get away from him.  

Edited February 23, 2021 by 12catcrazy
to mention the wife who died of cancer

[CrazyInAlabama]

Unless the defendant was convicted of killing the other wives, it wouldn't be admissible in court, and might not be allowed to be introduced anyway.  

[MsJamieDornan]

8 hours ago, Annber03 said:

I think this is definitely a part of why this stuff keeps happening. Or they feel they have to "settle" for what's out there, because even when they're looking for companionship for reasons other than not wanting to die alone, they believe nobody better will ever come along. 

Last night I sat and thought about what I would do if my mom showed up with someone like him?

[Annber03]

I'd be having a rather long talk with my mom if she showed up with someone like that. 

[Jeanne222]

Well this was a really interesting three part series.  Tom Randolph.  What a piece of work.  How many attorneys can a defendant get rid of?  Our system needs a huge overhaul!

I too was struck by the beautiful blonde judge.  The young female prosecutor.  We have arrived ladies.

I've always been pretty good with sizing up bull shitters but evidently some women aren't.  They did look happy.  Dinner in Vegas, some gambling, hand holding.  Maybe when he wasn't murdering them for money he was a fun companion.  I donno!

It's a shame in our system of justice the jury can't know your history.  One doesn't have anything to do with the other but it tells others who you are!

 

[Melina22]

5 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

It's a shame in our system of justice the jury can't know your history.  One doesn't have anything to do with the other but it tells others who you are!

 

In the event this horrible man goes free, the only upside I can see is that nowadays everyone knows how to google people, and this man is all over the internet. Someone would have to be wilfully blind to date him. 

[Guest]

20 hours ago, 12catcrazy said:

In this case, it might be a part of why the women wound up with this monster, but the three wives who were murdered were all apparently terrified of him and stayed because they were too afraid to leave.  

In my original post I was referring to the action that women will develop a relationship with men who are not the best choices for them yet pursue that relationship because according to their belief of societal norms, women of a “certain age” are much more accepted with an escort as opposed to attending social functions alone.  Taking that Randolph creature into this example, his demeanor, language and looks traditionally would not fall into the category of “prized” yet he had six wives.   The women did not jump into relationships with him because he was a prized catch, they were looking for something and rightly/wrongly found it in this creature.

I attended a virtual seminar last summer about abusive relationships.  For purposes of this discussion I will use the female as victim and male as abuser but you all know that it is not always the case.

The seminar leader wanted to express one point that therapists can sometimes overlook.  He used the example of the victim holding a match to the palm of her hand over and over.  After awhile, you do not feel the pain that the match causes because your palm becomes immune to the pain.  He likened it to women who are abused and do not leave relationships.  They’ve become immune to the violence (physical and/or emotional) and while many abusers do threaten violence to the victim’s family members we must also keep in mind that it is sometimes easier for the victim to stay (because she has accepted her life) rather than leaving.  The part about being afraid is absolutely true but in some cases is not the primary reason for staying with the abuser.  Point being, that therapists need to examine the totality of the relationship in order to better meet the needs of victims.

Apologies fo the long post.  I just wanted to clear up my earlier fuzzy post.

 

[Ellee]

This man is probably visiting every forum to read all that is said about him and getting off on it. 
 

 

[JudyObscure]

He and  the other prisoners probably watched it together and I'm sure he was thrilled with his slimy self.

I've been thinking about his loving children.  Could it be that some narcissists are good to their kids because they see themselves in their offspring?  Like narcissism by proxy?

[Melina22]

2 hours ago, JudyObscure said:

I've been thinking about his loving children.  Could it be that some narcissists are good to their kids because they see themselves in their offspring?  Like narcissism by proxy?

I'm pretty sure this is a thing. In fact I've seen it. This isn't to say that it's necessarily a healthy love. It can be unhealthy in various ways, coming from such an unhealthy person. The child, while feeling loved, can end up with personality disorders of their own. (Just speaking from what I've witnessed.) 

[Leilani]

So is he gay, is he bisexual, is he transitioning? Not sure how he managed to 'lure' all these women and none questioned his 'sexuality'. I hate when Dateline ignores the obvious.

Thomas Randolph is at the center of 'The Widower,' and people want to know if he's transitioning into a woman now.

Although there are some people who believe Thomas Randolph is undergoing treatments to transition into a woman, he hasn't gone on the record stating that this is the case nor is there any written evidence confirming whether or not this is true. It just appears that there are viewers who mistook Randolph's physical appearance as someone who is in the middle of a gender transition.

https://www.distractify.com/p/widower-true-story

Edited February 25, 2021 by Leilani

[MsJamieDornan]

6 hours ago, JudyObscure said:

He and  the other prisoners probably watched it together and I'm sure he was thrilled with his slimy self.

And he reenacted the whole thing and pretended  to point a gun and yell "boom, boom boom".

[Ailianna]

I had two thoughts on this by the end. First, where was Mike Miller's family during the trial? Yes, parts of it made him look bad, but he was murdered too and you might think they would be interested. I wish we saw how they felt about it more than those brief interviews. The friend he told about the scheme was probably a witness after all, plus the brother who knew where Mike got the gun--from defendant.

Second, while I agree it's tough to use a fact pattern someone was found not guilty of, he pleaded guilty, as in admitted, conspiring to kill Eric, and did 18 months for that. If they used THAT case and not Beckie's murder as the pattern evidence, then add in the second guy who in KY who turned him down, it buttressed what happened with Mike and gets them close to the same place but in safer legal ground.

[TVbitch]

Thomas looked like a woman to me too, and I kept waiting for that twist to come out! (I can totally see Rosanne playing him now that you guys mention it!) He talked so OTT much about his sexual prowess with women I thought he at least had to be a closeted gay man. I don't even want to fathom how much time and money the court system is spending on this psycopath, as he continues to enjoy the spotlight. 

[mythoughtis]

On 2/25/2021 at 9:17 PM, Ailianna said:

First, where was Mike Miller's family during the trial? Yes, parts of it made him look bad, but he was murdered too and you might think they would be interested. I wish we saw how they felt about it more than those brief interviews. The friend he told about the scheme was probably a witness after all, plus the brother who knew where Mike got the gun--from defendant.

The interviews shown were the actual police interviews taped by the producer embedded with the police at the time.  They may not have desired to speak on camera after that once they learned the nature of their relatives’ involvement.  Yes, he was murdered ....but he willingly murdered someone.  I’m not sure i’d want to speak to a dateline person about that either.  

[Melina22]

So did anyone else see the Murder Show skit on SNL last night? It was us! 😁😁😁😁

[Ailianna]

12 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

The interviews shown were the actual police interviews taped by the producer embedded with the police at the time.  They may not have desired to speak on camera after that once they learned the nature of their relatives’ involvement.  Yes, he was murdered ....but he willingly murdered someone.  I’m not sure i’d want to speak to a dateline person about that either.  

I guess I meant more during the trial and verdict. They weren't in the gallery during the trial scenes. And I got that all the footage was from an embedded reporter. And that even in the interviews they didn't show their faces. I thought that was likely because they didn't want to be on camera. I'm just surprised they didn't go to the trial.

[mythoughtis]

1 hour ago, Ailianna said:

I guess I meant more during the trial and verdict. They weren't in the gallery during the trial scenes. And I got that all the footage was from an embedded reporter. And that even in the interviews they didn't show their faces. I thought that was likely because they didn't want to be on camera. I'm just surprised they didn't go to the trial.

If I remember correctly, his family lived in Georgia?  The trial would have gone on for a while and they may not have had the money to be there for it all.  Maybe they weren’t there on the  day the gallery photos are from.  They may have testified but were edited out since not that much of the actual trial was shown in the episode. Maybe they refused to allow their likenesses to be shown in the episode. 

Plus the producer in these episodes seemed to be obsessed with the daughters’  point of view from the beginning.  Including interviews with the granddaughter.... but not the grandson that was a couple years older.  
 

 

Edited February 28, 2021 by mythoughtis

[Ailianna]

True. I felt bad for his family though. They seemed like nice people and like they loved him. I'm left wondering how he got so vulnerable as to agree to the murder plot, and seeing the two other men who were asked, it made me wonder if there were drug issues. The guy from Kentucky mentioned selling drugs. It seems like yet another example of tragedy formed from inadequate care and resources for addiction issues. I'm very aware he agreed to murder an innocent person, and really went through with it, but part of me feels bad for him, thinking how far off course his life went for him to be in that place. Of course, I don't know if I'd feel as bad for him if he had been the one at the defense table.

Edited February 28, 2021 by Ailianna

[Ohmo]

On 2/23/2021 at 11:09 AM, 12catcrazy said:

And finally, it's going to be interesting to see what is going to happen with the next trial.  Any bets saying that the lawyers will claim that since this case has been on national TV, the potential jury pool has been tainted and there is no way that Randolph will get a fair trial?  

My thoughts on that are: Dateline is not a prosecutor or a lawyer or anything like that.  It isn't beholden to the justice system.

The Dateline producer has all of this footage since he's been following the case for years.

The footage gets aired over three nights, so as many people see it as possible...to know the full scale of what a psychopath Rudolph is.

Yes, there's the risk of tainting the jury pool for some people, but there's also the possibility of those people being smart enough to have watched this, then watch a few episodes of Bull, get themselves onto the jury by telling whatever attorney whatever it is that needs to be said, and get onto the jury in order to go through the trial motions and convict his ass.

In the vast majority of cases, this is a horrible thing to encourage, but for this specific case, I hope all potential jurors are paying attention. Thomas Randolph is guilty of something. (I think several somethings, but I digress.)  He's going to get his trial, but I think Dateline attempted to ensure that justice was indeed served. If any jury acquits him, God help us all.

[JudyObscure]

On 2/28/2021 at 7:31 AM, Melina22 said:

So did anyone else see the Murder Show skit on SNL last night? It was us! 😁😁😁😁

Just now watched it thanks to you!  It was dead on!😀

 

[amarante]

On 2/22/2021 at 6:25 AM, Albanyguy said:

Considering his disdain for his lawyers and his belief that he's smarter than everybody in the world, I'm surprised that he didn't insist on acting as his own attorney and defending himself. I would have thought that he would have loved cross-examining witnesses and addressing the jury. Maybe he floated the idea and someone talked him out of it.

What I don't understand is how they kept him in jail for eight years awaiting trial. Doesn't that violate his Constitutional right to a speedy trial? Wouldn't his attorneys have fought that? Wouldn't some judge say at some point "Look, either bring this guy to trial or drop the charges, I can't keep him in jail forever"?

Or was it the defense team that dragged it out by constantly asking for postponements? If Dateline explained this, I must have missed it.

He was responsible for the delays caused by his firing his attorneys so he couldn't invoke the right to a speedy trial. And then he was convicted and the case was overturned so that also increased the time in terms of final resolution.

They never mentioned bail. He might not have been granted bail because he would be considered to be a flight risk. They had trouble tracking him down and no one denied he was a fraudster with multiple identities. Even if there was bail, it probably was moot since he had no money. As I recall the first attorney in Vegas who had represented OJ for a bit said his left because he ran out of money.

It is obviously a state/locality thing but generally murder defendants use attorneys who are paid by the State. Murder defense attorneys have to be fairly qualified especially if it is a potential death penalty. Their hourly rate might be less than they would get in private practice but it can still be a lucrative income. 

[MsJamieDornan]

6 hours ago, amarante said:

Even if there was bail, it probably was moot since he had no money.

I wonder where it all went? Didnt they say something like 8 million over the years? He obviously didnt spend it on clothes or haircuts !

[iMonrey]

Saw the episode about Heather Elvis, which I'm pretty sure  I've seen before. Actually recorded it then watched it back Friday night. The weird thing is that after it was over I switched over to live TV and 20/20 was doing the exact same story that night. They must be running out of murders.

It's a shame they couldn't/didn't charge Sidney and Tammy with murder. I mean honestly, who else could it have been?

[Irlandesa]

I rewatched the Friday show even though I had seen it before.  What can I say?  I get such a kick out of the stories about these super religious/image conscious folk who can't get a divorce because of what people will think but will do affairs and murder.  There was that FL case as well that fell apart years later when the affair/murder partnership fell apart.

[TVbitch]

I think Dateline was being cheeky and showed the rerun of the Heather Elvis episode to crime block 20/20, which was a new episode of the same case. 

[Ohmo]

23 hours ago, iMonrey said:

It's a shame they couldn't/didn't charge Sidney and Tammy with murder. I mean honestly, who else could it have been?

My first thought is "where's Heather's body?" I'd seen this case before, too, but I was unclear about the cement.  Do they think she's encased in cement somewhere?  Did they drag the lake?

In other news, 48 Hours is supposed to be a new case tonight.

Edited March 7, 2021 by Ohmo

[Melina22]

2 hours ago, iMonrey said:

They must be running out of murders.

Oh no!! I hate when that happens. 😁

[Crashcourse]

 

[Melina22]

6 hours ago, Irlandesa said:

I get such a kick out of the stories about these super religious/image conscious folk who can't get a divorce because of what people will think but will do affairs and murder.  There was that FL case as well that fell apart years later when the affair/murder partnership fell apart.

As a religious person, I find these cases utterly baffling. "Dear God, please help our plot to murder her husband go well so we can be married and live a super religious life together. We know it's your plan for us." 

It was chilling to see someone as apparently sweet, harmless and "spiritual" as Jonathan sit on the stand calmly discussing his plan to put arsenic in the banana pudding. He seemed to feel that it was okay to murder Sabrina's husband as long as he felt sort of bad after. Of course, he made sure to shoot him that extra time in case he was still alive. 

Sabrina came across as so shady in her testimony. Having listened to her on the phone taps could be influencing me here, it's hard to say. 

Maybe I should stop listening to Murder Shows before I start suspecting everyone I know of being secretly evil. 

ETA Can someone describe Crashcourse's video? I can't get it in my country. 

 

 

Edited March 7, 2021 by Melina22

[Annber03]

7 minutes ago, Melina22 said:

As a religious person, I find these cases utterly baffling. "Dear God, please help our plot to murder her husband go well so we can be married and live a super religious life together. We know it's your plan for us." 

Oh, man, I remember that part of the story! Yeah. That was....truly something. Somebody clearly should've spent a little more time asking themselves, "What would Jesus do?" 

[TVbitch]

31 minutes ago, Melina22 said:

Of course, he made sure to shoot him that extra time in case he was still alive. 

Yeah, but that was only cuz he felt really, really bad about just leaving him lying there all shot up. 

[JudyObscure]

@Melina 22:

The video starts with a woman at home, lounging on the sofa, looking bored, saying goodbye to her husband.  She tells him to go ahead, she's just going to do some work or some self care. He leaves and she says, "I thought he'd never leave."  Then  the music starts and we see several women in their homes all alone, and all singing together:

[song]

"I'm gonna watch a murder show, murder show
I'm gonna watch a murder show
Netflix, Showtime
HBO and Daylight

Murder show, murder show
I'm gonna watch a murder show
YouTube, Hulu
That's my favorite thing to do

[CHLOE]
Two sisters got killed on a cruise in the Bahamas
I'm gonna half watch it while I fold my pajamas

[MELISSA]
Severed limbs found on a beach in Chula Vista
But I just kinda stare while I eat a piece of pizza

[EGO]
They dig up some bodies and do an autopsy

[CHLOE]
Boring!

[EGO]
Wake me up when it's Munchausen by proxy

[KATE]
A bodybuilder chopped up an old lady
I watch it while I text my sister 'bout her baby

[WOMEN]
Murder show, murder show
Every type of murder show
Late night, true crime
This is my relaxin' time

Murder show, murder show
I'm gonna watch a murder show

[CHLOE]
Last night, I found a new one
Where they found a cheerleader's head in an old coal mine
I watch it while I pay my taxes online

[EGO]
Satanic killer on the loose in Texas
And I'm on Insta keepin' tabs on my exes

[MELISSA]
Cannibals cut off people's flesh and they boil it
I watch it all while I'm sittin' on the toilet

[KATE]
Six pretty girls got scalped at the prom
I watch it in the background while I FaceTime my mom

[WOMEN]
And as soon as I'm done, I listen to a podcast
About the same guy as the show I just watched
'Cause now I'm fully down the rabbit hole
I hope for a body count, like six or seven
A really high body count, 10 or 11
15, 16, now it's getting interesting
If it's not at least 20, then girl, he ain't worth it"

Then the husband comes home and catches her, but tells her there's something better:

Cult shows.

(Song)
"Have you heard about cult shows, cult shows?
Different kinds of cult shows
Brainwash, sex, and ugly dudes
And a bit of volleyball

Death cults, sex cults
We all like sex cults."

Then one woman mentions baking shows and they all boo her.

 

 

 

 

[Ellee]

Aniah Blanchard.  This was on 48 Hours last night. 
 

Is this another one that was or will be on Dateline?  

[Leilani]

The other night I caught an old episode of Dateline on Oxgyen about Peggy Sue Thomas, the ex beauty queen and her boyfriend who killed a man and then hid out in Mexico for years. 

Had seen it previously but still intrigued enough again to go down the rabbit hold to find out more where I found they made her story into a movie on Lifetime that just came out last night.  It has a bunch of actors from the Law and Order universe so I'm watching it now. If anyone is interested it's called Cirle of Deception.

I wish they had covered more about the man they killed.  Like was it true he had an affair with a man and that's what enraged his wife or was it just something they made up.  Was the boyfriend just a psycho who wanted the thrill of the kill or and he only verbally abused by the stepfather or was it sexual abuse. So many questions that none of the coverage I came across answered the really intriguing stuff.

The wife of the boyfriend too is interesting or on Dateline anyways. She stayed with him and became a drug addict and poor supporting him on the lam for years then the day before she finally was going to join him in Mexico she met a guy and turned her life around.  Or so it's spinned on Dateline. I'd like to read more about that.

https://www.seattleweekly.com/news/peggy-sue-thomas-drop-dead-gorgeous/

It's also an Ann Rule book but I don't want to buy it unless these other characters are covered, has anyone read the book?

 

 

Edited March 7, 2021 by Leilani

[Melina22]

4 hours ago, JudyObscure said:

Two sisters got killed on a cruise in the Bahamas
I'm gonna half watch it while I fold my pajamas

Thank you so, so much! 😁😁😁

I did watch the SNL skit, and loved it but it went by in a blur. I immediately forgot all the lyrics.The lines are even funnier the second time! 

4 hours ago, JudyObscure said:

EGO]
Wake me up when it's Munchausen by proxy

My favourite personality disorder! Mommy Dead and Dearest. Sharp Objects. 

These shows are making us awful people, aren't they? Not that I'll be stopping anytime soon. 😁