S19.E11: Finale Part I

[Emma Snyder]

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What happens in this finale is the most shocking ending in history, and we're going to do it on live TV.

Airs Tuesday September 13 at 8:00PM EDT.

Preview...

[dizzyd]

I’m here with wine and caramel popcorn. So many tears shed being promised. 😁

They both look awesome. Are they both wearing extensions?

[dizzyd]

The look on Rachel’s face when Zach said he has to go, like this is not going according to my script where I was going to walk you out after the RC where I could be in control, not you. 

And then her under handed insults that he questioned her integrity 😡

Edited September 14, 2022 by dizzyd

[TheFinalRose]

Not too broken up about Zach, is she?  Zak = Filler.  

[Diana Berry]

Yea she seems really broken up.  Zach take heart you didn’t get a Stepford Wife.

Please let Zach be the Bachelor.  Nice looking, great personality, strong voice, speaks coherently and with complete sentences.  

[Stats Queen]

I think Zach dodged a huge bullet.

I think he would be a good bachelor.

[JenE4]

They are really playing this up that Rachel is left devastated, while Gabby went in with such low expectations that her entire life has changed (for the better). Meanwhile, if things were awkward with Zach but she was “in love with” Tino and “falling in love with” Aven, then her devastation is based on whatever happened with Tino and (to a lesser extent) Aven. Don’t put this on Zach, who just nailed his Bachelor audition, by the way—unless he screws up this live part.

[TheFinalRose]

I'm sorry. What is Zach apologizing for when Rachel turned into the Clarity Monster in the fantasy suites? 

[phlebas]

While Rachel is talking, Zach should just turn and ask Gabby out.

[SallyAlbright]

That was actually quite drama-free haha. Zach was my favorite this season, I'd love to see him as the Bachelor when he's another year or two older. Right now I'm afraid they'd stick him with a bunch of mean 20 year olds. I also like that Rachel apologized and they ended up having kind of a pleasant conversation. 

[dizzyd]

That conversation end was weird. Jesse just kept stretching it and they were just repeating stuff and it was awkward. 😬

[Amy Beth]

Continually calling what Zach did “walking out” is a deliberate choice. They could have said he “left” or “broke off” the relationship. But nope, gotta go with the pejorative.

[dizzyd]

4 minutes ago, phlebas said:

While Rachel is talking, Zach should just turn and ask Gabby out.

Why when he could have his shot with 30 others? 

[Jaundiced Eye]

I'm left wanting more. Zach probably felt it was in his best interest to take the high road and not throw Miss Thang under the bus.

[phlebas]

Just now, dizzyd said:

Why when he could have his shot with 30 others? 

Because the look on Rachel's face would be funny

[alexa]

I thought she was in a prison jumpsuit for a minute, lol.

[JenE4]

7 minutes ago, TheFinalRose said:

I'm sorry. What is Zach apologizing for when Rachel turned into the Clarity Monster in the fantasy suites? 

I’m order to ascend to the Bachelor throne, he must atone for the sin of humiliating Rachel by choosing to walk out before she could send him home, which she was obviously just about to do.

why they repeated the same three sentences back and forth for 10 minutes straight is beyond me, though.

Rachel’s parents live by: On Wednesdays we wear pink.

[Shorty186]

2 minutes ago, alexa said:

I thought she was in a prison jumpsuit for a minute, lol.

I was thinking resort employee

[DEL901]

So, does this mean Johnny and Jason don’t get to sit down with Jesse, or is that something we still get to look forward to.  

Edited September 14, 2022 by DEL901

[Diana Berry]

Rachel’s eye looks a bit wonky on the live show.

[dizzyd]

I’m never going to get why not ready for an engagement in a few weeks is a deal breaker. I would think the family and friends would prefer a non engagement and prefer someone serious. 

Edited September 14, 2022 by dizzyd

[Amy Beth]

The engagement push from the siblings is so bizarre. 

[Jaundiced Eye]

I'd like to see Aven as the next bachelor. He really seems to have it all going on.

[dizzyd]

1 minute ago, Jaundiced Eye said:

I'd like to see Aven as the next bachelor. He really seems to have it all going on.

But Zach has Puddy! 

[Jaundiced Eye]

1 minute ago, Amy Beth said:

The engagement push from the siblings is so bizarre. 

I think they're her friends, but they really made it seem that Rachel just wants to get engaged, period. It could be to anyone.

[JenE4]

Rachel was pissed in that picture-in-picture when Aven said he’s not sure about an engagement now. Safe to say that she doesn’t leave with Aven either as a fiancé or a boyfriend. However, how can she be so angry that not every guy is ready to propose to her?!? This is insane. It’s pretty apparent she leaves there alone, or it wouldn’t matter because she’d know “he’s not my person” as they often say.

[DEL901]

I like Aven too, but he isvery low key.  He is really going to ramp it up when he sits down with Jesse.  

Also, I’ve thought for a while Tino was her number 1.  What is her family going to think when they meet him after she just talked about how wonderful Aven was.  

[Amy Beth]

Next person who says clarity gets something thrown at the TV.

[Diana Berry]

Wonder if Rachel is jelly of Gabby getting Dancing with the stars?

Edited September 14, 2022 by Diana Berry

[nlkm9]

35 minutes ago, dizzyd said:

The look on Rachel’s face when Zach said he has to go, like this is not going according to my script where I was going to walk you out after the RC where I could be in control, not you. 

And then her under handed insults that he questioned her integrity 😡

I noticed Jesse even made a point to say when Zach decided to leave- Zach was a gentleman …… good for him😊

5 minutes ago, Jaundiced Eye said:

I think they're her friends, but they really made it seem that Rachel just wants to get engaged, period. It could be to anyone.

Producer manipulation. Imagine tino,s fury when he sees that her saying wanting to be engaged to essentially anyone- crazy!

[DEL901]

I think Aven is realizing what Zach already did.  She has an agenda and when anything detracts, her facade slips. 

[Kiss my mutt]

Gabby and Rachel’s eyes look like they’ve been crying nonstop, especially Gabby. 

[Jaundiced Eye]

1 minute ago, DEL901 said:

I think Aven is realizing what Zach already did.  She has an agenda and when anything detracts, her facade slips. 

She gets unhinged when anyone dares suggest that what THEY want or feel even enters into the equation. I think she's a narcissist.

[dizzyd]

Rachel just likes being the show’s puppet and a condescending, bratty one at that. When she does get married, it looks like it will be her way or the highway unless she recognizes her flaws. And I have 0 tolerance for playing the victim to get one's way. Just walk away, Aven! Follow Zach out the door. 

Edited September 14, 2022 by dizzyd

[DEL901]

5 minutes ago, Diana Berry said:

Wonder if Rachel is jelly of Gabby getting Dancing with the stars?

Especially since she was a cheerleader too and thus also has dance experience.  (College vs NFL, but that is still performing at a high level)

1 minute ago, Jaundiced Eye said:

She gets unhinged when anyone dares suggest that what THEY want or feel even enters into the equation. I think she's a narcissist.

Rachel is clearly showing why she is single.   At least Gabby acknowledges her flaws and is working with a therapist.  Rachel can’t see her flaws.  She just pushed Aven away.  She doesn’t deserve him.  

[alexa]

Rachel doesn’t want someone that wants a thoughtful relationship…just a pretend one.  She is so dramatic.  Go Aven.

[DEL901]

Run Aven Run!  Save yourself while you can. 

Edited September 14, 2022 by DEL901

[GracieK]

Rachel is such a bratty little daddy’s girl. Her daddy has treated her like a Disney princess her whole life and has never told her no - she doesn’t know how to consider anything but her own wants.

[JenE4]

I think we just got a glimpse of what Zach saw in the fantasy suite. This is not a two-way road. Everyone must be ready to marry Rachel now—and then she’ll get back to you in whether she decides to marry you back or marry one of her other fiancés instead. This is exactly what must have happened with Zach. Aven is here saying he wants to marry you when the timing is right, and all she’s hearing is I’m not getting my Neil Lane fairy tale finale. 

[Amy Beth]

Is he contractually forbidden from saying he can’t commit to an engagement until he knows he’s F1? 
Because that seems to be the crux of the problem. He doesn’t want to be left looking like a fool if she picks Tino.

[SallyAlbright]

Okay, can we get an Aven/Zach Bachelor season? I really like them both and I think they both dodged a bullet here and I say this as someone who liked Rachel 😂

Edited September 14, 2022 by SallyAlbright

[nlkm9]

2 minutes ago, JenE4 said:

I think we just got a glimpse of what Zach saw in the fantasy suite. This is not a two-way road. Everyone must be ready to marry Rachel now—and then she’ll get back to you in whether she decides to marry you back or marry one of her other fiancés instead. This is exactly what must have happened with Zach. Aven is here saying he wants to marry you when the timing is right, and all she’s hearing is I’m not getting my Neil Lane fairy tale finale. 

Wow good luck tino, this chick just wants a ring. So what if aven gave in… then she would still pick tino and aven would be devastated. Ugh Rachel !

[Jaundiced Eye]

I wonder if Rachel is regretting freezing out her one sure bet - Zach. I just can't with her.

[nlkm9]

3 minutes ago, Amy Beth said:

Is he contractually forbidden from saying he can’t commit to an engagement until he knows he’s F1? 
Because that seems to be the crux of the problem. He doesn’t want to be left looking like a fool if she picks Tino.

And who could blame him? I really despise her after seeing this. Bunny boiler! Engagement at any cost, how sad

7 minutes ago, JenE4 said:

I think we just got a glimpse of what Zach saw in the fantasy suite. This is not a two-way road. Everyone must be ready to marry Rachel now—and then she’ll get back to you in whether she decides to marry you back or marry one of her other fiancés instead. This is exactly what must have happened with Zach. Aven is here saying he wants to marry you when the timing is right, and all she’s hearing is I’m not getting my Neil Lane fairy tale finale. 

And I’m sure producers want their double engagement ……. By the way gabby looks very good tonite

[dizzyd]

Gabby’s segment feels so much better atm. I remember not meeting her dad on Clayton’s season when he did the covid cheer placards from the car. But her insert face didn’t look too happy talking about Erich ☹️

Edited September 14, 2022 by dizzyd

[Kiss my mutt]

Rachel saying “what should I do? Leave all alone?” like that’s the end if the world. Yes, that’s exactly what you should do when getting engaged is more important than the relationship itself.  Cry mor, scrub. 

[DEL901]

Why does Gabby in the Picture in Picture, look so uncertain.  

[Riplet68]

She’s not listening to Aven. Over the last 2 weeks I’ve really come to not like Rachel.  What everyone else said, she only wants a ring.  The things Zach said just solidified to me that it sounds like she said she wasn’t going to sleep with him, really thought he was the final.

gabby just doesn’t look “giddy” with Erich.  I’d like to see her look in his eyes with a big smile, which I haven’t seen

[nlkm9]

Ok smart gabby, saying she only wanted the family to meet Erich which is not really the truth lol

[DEL901]

1 minute ago, nlkm9 said:

Ok smart gabby, saying she only wanted the family to meet Erich which is not really the truth lol

She just told her dad she thinks this is something that she thinks could last a long time… she just doesn’t seem like she is in love.  She just desperately wants to be loved and he is her only option.