S04.E20: Just In Case

[Whimsy]

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The strength of Maggie and Gary’s relationship is put to the test once again. Rome makes a sacrifice for a student in distress, Theo turns to an unlikely source to help his mom through a rough patch, and Eddie learns a shocking secret about Anna.

Original airdate 5/18/22

[CrystalBlue]

Oh God, they're going to have Theo on again, this time meddling in his mother's lesbian love life.  Is Eddie going to learn that Anna really did kill Peter and then blacked out?

[nexxie]

The finale - so lots of loose ends. Baby? Murderer? Lesbian love triangle? Rome gets fired? Regina’s food truck gets a flat?

Edited May 19, 2022 by nexxie

[historylover820]

Oh no! No getting a flat tire! Anything but that!

Actually, I wouldn't mind if there's an episode where the worse thing that happens is that the food truck gets a flat. At least that would be a lot more grounded.

[Snazzy Daisy]

Greta’s hair!!! 😂😂😂

 

[ams1001]

Maggie, why are you telling your maybe-kid all this in the middle of a warehouse furniture store?

7 hours ago, historylover820 said:

Oh no! No getting a flat tire! Anything but that!

Shut up, Theo.

Shut up, Gary.

Shut up, Tyrell. 

Oh, no, Gary. Did he really forget to take that memory card out or did he leave it purposely because he knew Rome can't keep anything to himself anyway?

Nice song choice at the end (and I am not one to notice music in shows).

Edited May 19, 2022 by ams1001

[historylover820]

Great song choice at the end.

Can someone explain how Rome got Gary's memory card? I know he gave Gary the camera with the memory card, but how did Rome get it back? (I'm camera illiterate).

I think I called most, if not all, of the "twists." I called Gary getting cancer again--which I didn't like how this show dropped that bomb. Anna did technically kill Peter--the push was an accident, but she did leave him to die. Rome was not fired.

I was thinking--it is possible that Eddie won't be in trouble for lying and saying that Anna was with him at the music convention. She pushed Peter the night before. They both can still say that she showed up to the convention the next day.

Gary's cancer coming back definitely explains the want to get pregnant now. Which I was rolling my eyes at them being pregnant after just a couple months trying--many couples wait years. But with the reveal at the end, that definitely explains why.

I still want to be on record that Gary and Maggie are much better apart than with each other.

[Notabug]

1 hour ago, ams1001 said:

Maggie, why are you telling your maybe-kid all this in the middle of a warehouse furniture store?

Shut up, Theo.

Shut up, Gary.

Shut up, Tyrell. 

Oh, no, Gary. Did he really forget to take that memory card out or did he leave it purposely because he knew Rome can't keep anything to himself anyway?

Nice song choice at the end (and I am not one to notice music in shows).

If nothing else, you'd think Gary would be planning to use the same memory card for all of the many, many videos he intends to make for the kid.  Handing it off to Rome and Gina for them to add a bunch of unrelated stuff makes no sense.  Also, Rome used to be a film maker, no?  Like last week?  And a guy who has made films professionally for a number of years has to borrow a camera because he doesn't have one?  Not likely. Or, if it was Rome's camera, how often does Gary plan to borrow it to make the many, many videos he has planned?  Why wouldn't he run on down to Target and pick up one of his own?  I've heard they have a great Target right in their neighborhood.

When they kept talking about Gary's back problems in episode after episode, I figured they were hinting at a cancer recurrence.  Except it would've made more sense if his back pain was due to mets in his spine, but ok.  I wonder if they're going to pretend that Gary can have some sort of surgery to remove the mass in his lung to take advantage of James Roday Rodriguez' obvious thoracotomy scar.  You can see it in the episode where Maggie finds the breast lump.  He has never discussed it, but rumor has it he had a congenital heart defect repaired when he was a kid.

Anyone who didn't figure out Anna was somehow involved in Peter's death has apparently never seen this show before.  I knew she probably didn't outright murder him; but it sounds like a manslaughter charge is in her future.

It's gotten to the point where, when the camera pans to Theo, I inwardly cringe just knowing he is going to say something stupid.  They made a huge mistake not making him younger originally or else, they should've cast an actor who didn't look and speak as if he were so much younger than he is.

Edited May 19, 2022 by Notabug

[KaveDweller]

17 minutes ago, historylover820 said:

Great song choice at the end.

Can someone explain how Rome got Gary's memory card? I know he gave Gary the camera with the memory card, but how did Rome get it back? (I'm camera illiterate).

Gary stopped by and gave Regina the camera for Tyrell's graduation. I am with the doctor.....don't they all have cameras on their phones? Granted, knowing Gary is sick may explain him wanting to be more dramatic about making the videos all professional.

Gary being sick also explains them rushing to have a baby, and the recurring stuff with his back. I kind of had a feeling they were building to something bad. I am glad Maggie is aware and it isn't just Gary hiding it from everyone and trying to have a baby without telling his partner he might not make it.

22 minutes ago, historylover820 said:

I was thinking--it is possible that Eddie won't be in trouble for lying and saying that Anna was with him at the music convention. She pushed Peter the night before. They both can still say that she showed up to the convention the next day.

Yes, that is possible, although I'd think the cops would still want to revisit the conversation. Or maybe he wouldn't want to look dumb for only getting alibis from people for the next morning.

They surprised me with Tyrell's reason for wanting to stay, that was a nice twist and I am glad Regina convinced him to go. It's not like he was planning to fly across the country.

I don't really care about Katherine and Greta, but I did like Katherine's mom coming around and supporting her.  I also liked Theo's reaction with his grandmother tried to claim Greta was just a friend. He just laughed like she was clueless, like it didn't even occur to him that she had an issue with Katherine being gay/bi.

Ok, so I know they want the focus on the big twist with Gary being sick, but I feel the need to comment on his and Maggie's behavior in whatever store that was. First, Maggie wanted to pretend they were someone else to jump the line. That is crappy. Then, they walk away to get food while the wait and leave the thing they were returning. I can sort of get that because it was so big, even if it is a big selfish. But they also left the ticket? Why not carry the ticket in your pocket? But once it was lost, why not just wait for the number you had and then go to the counter. I've never been at a store where they make me give them the stupid ticket with my number. Or, why not have one of you wait with your things while the other goes to get food. That whole set up bothered me so much.

[SunnyBeBe]

Well, I called it last week that someone would confess that they struggled with Peter and he accidentally fell.  I wasn’t sure who it would be.  When will anyone on the show get a legal consult before doing something stupid?  She could have still confessed, but only after her attorney got her a deal.   She didn’t even think of Eddie getting in trouble too.  
 

Of course, Sophie’s not going to be happy that Eddie lied to her.  Another one of her adult role models/friends lies to her.  Everything about Peter has caused her pain, including Gary and Eddie.  
 

I give Rome one thing…..he sure has some nerve. Lol Not many people would have shown up at a parent’s house ready to kick asp. Lol.  All kinds of inappropriate, but I guess it worked. 
 

They sure focused on that meal at Katherine’s. Omg, it looked like Thanksgiving with the food, laughs, love, etc……I hope they enjoy that happiness.  Was Eddie on probation?  Remember when he attacked that guy’s car?  Was he charged?  

Edited May 19, 2022 by SunnyBeBe

[Frisky Wig]

Did Sophie tell Eddie that Kai told her Peter was at her piano show with one of Anna’s friends the night he died? 
 

I can’t imagine dating my friends ex husband, especially when that husband did what Peter did! 

[historylover820]

Yeah, Anna confronted them at the restaurant.

[ams1001]

8 hours ago, Notabug said:

It's gotten to the point where, when the camera pans to Theo, I inwardly cringe just knowing he is going to say something stupid.  They made a huge mistake not making him younger originally or else, they should've cast an actor who didn't look and speak as if he were so much younger than he is.

Same. 

I will at least acknowledge that his voice is marginally lower than it has been in the past, so it's not quite as grating to hear him speak. Doesn't make his ever-wise six-year-old dialogue any better, though.

[nexxie]

Ugh, not cancer again :(

[Notabug]

I am incredibly impressed by Gary's determination to keep his very prodigious full head of hair and beard through chemo.  I presume that it is due to sheer force of will because I don't know any other way that could happen.  Or, maybe the guy who made Maggie's pink wig has branched out and is way more talented than we realized.  There is no IV chemo for metastatic breast cancer that would not cause the hair to fall out, usually with the first round.  The show didn't really delve into it (they reallly don't delve into anythng) but what is happening with Gary is much more serious than what happened with Maggie.  She had a recurrence at the site of the original tumor while his is in his lung, evidence that the cancer cells have spread through his body.  This means he is never going to be 'cured' although many people live years, even decades afterwards. With new targeted treatments including immunotherapy, he could be around to see his kid grow up.

When he was on Psych (a completely different and much better show, IMO), James' RR's massive amount of hair was a running joke.  His character's father was played by Corbin Bernson who, of course, never had a full head of hair, even back in his LA Law days and Rodriguez' Shawn would frequently tease his father about it.

Edited May 19, 2022 by Notabug

[bybrandy]

I thought Gary borrowed the Camera from Rome and was returning it so they'd have it for graduation.   He just returned it a bit earlier because he thought they wouldn't need it for the doctors appointment.   So it was Rome's camera and Rome's memory card that he probably didn't think to transfer and wipe because of sadness about the failed pregnancy attempt.  

Did he do his sperm donation/donations before he started chemo?  

[Notabug]

2 minutes ago, bybrandy said:

I thought Gary borrowed the Camera from Rome and was returning it so they'd have it for graduation.   He just returned it a bit earlier because he thought they wouldn't need it for the doctors appointment.   So it was Rome's camera and Rome's memory card that he probably didn't think to transfer and wipe because of sadness about the failed pregnancy attempt.  

Did he do his sperm donation/donations before he started chemo?  

Thanks for the info, I often zone out during this show and miss stuff.  I wasn't paying attention to who owned the camera or the sequence of events surrounding the exchange.  Even so, you'd think that Gary, being so determined to keep his health private, would've been very careful to keep track of that memory card or delete it if he thought the IVF hadn't worked.

I expect we'll discover that Gary's cancer was the reason they went right to the fertility specialist even though Maggie had just recently been pregnant.  It's become pretty routine for cancer treatment centers to incorporate fertility preservation protocols into their plans for patients and provide them with quick referrals to specialists to try to get things in place.  I guess that is why Gary was so determined to get that particular specimen to the clinic that day.  He was probably scheduled to start chemo shortly and knew the window was closing.

[ams1001]

8 minutes ago, Notabug said:

Thanks for the info, I often zone out during this show and miss stuff.  I wasn't paying attention to who owned the camera or the sequence of events surrounding the exchange.  Even so, you'd think that Gary, being so determined to keep his health private, would've been very careful to keep track of that memory card or delete it if he thought the IVF hadn't worked.

I don't understand why he needed to borrow the camera in the first place. As the doctor pointed out, they both have smartphones which take pretty good video these days.

[circumvent]

Still need to watch the episode but do I understand that Anna is, indeed, guilty of manslaughter? 

Another character that is a criminal and nothing will happen to them, right? If this is the trend, could one of them kill Theo? Sorry, couldn't resist. Don't really want him to die but just be sent to a school far way. Just tell him that he is so special, he needs to go. Or maybe send him to space, on a mission, to find his family that must be from another planet, where 12 year-olds need cuddles, like to draw pictures to adults and wear matching pajamas with the mother's girlfriend.

Do i also understand that Gary does have cancer? The whole "cancer is back" from a few weeks ago that was dropped was a pathetic way the writers found to celebrate with "haha fooled you, haha". Actually, it makes sense they write Theo the way they do. He is the one in the mirror

[ams1001]

1 minute ago, circumvent said:

Still need to watch the episode but do I understand that Anna is, indeed, guilty of manslaughter? 

Do i also understand that Gary does have cancer? The whole "cancer is back" from a few weeks ago that was dropped was a pathetic way the writers found to celebrate with "haha fooled you, haha". 

I'll put this in spoiler tags just in case anyone wants to watch first...

Spoiler

She went to confront Peter, let herself in because she still has a key, and was upstairs looking at their wedding pictures still on the wall when he came out of the bedroom (he hadn't heard her come in). They argued and she accidentally pushed him down the stairs (he grabbed her and was saying he could fix things or whatever and she pushed him away because she didn't want him to touch her; he was not actually attacking her so a self-defense argument is probably iffy at best); she ran down the stairs and was opening the door when he said her name and she realized he was still alive, hesitated in the doorway (probably debating whether to call 911) then left. I don't know what the specific charge would be but she accidentally caused his death and didn't call for help when she realized he was still alive. On her way to tell Eddie the truth, after attending an AA meeting where she realized she can't live with that lie, she called the police and confessed, and the police picked her up from his place.

After Gary's surgery they did some scans and saw another spot on his lung. We previously saw the doctor telling him the mass removed was not cancerous, then this episode we saw what happened after that, which was the doctor interrupting the celebrating with "I'm not finished..."

 

[Frisky Wig]

14 minutes ago, circumvent said:

Still need to watch the episode but do I understand that Anna is, indeed, guilty of manslaughter? 

Another character that is a criminal and nothing will happen to them, right? If this is the trend, could one of them kill Theo? Sorry, couldn't resist. Don't really want him to die but just be sent to a school far way. Just tell him that he is so special, he needs to go. Or maybe send him to space, on a mission, to find his family that must be from another planet, where 12 year-olds need cuddles, like to draw pictures to adults and wear matching pajamas with the mother's girlfriend.

Do i also understand that Gary does have cancer? The whole "cancer is back" from a few weeks ago that was dropped was a pathetic way the writers found to celebrate with "haha fooled you, haha". Actually, it makes sense they write Theo the way they do. He is the one in the mirror

Surely the writers can come up with a reason for Theo to join Delilah in France, right? We start next season with a line about how Theo is in a French immersion program in Paris and hanging out with Charlie. 

[izabella]

I am extremely confused by what was on the memory card.  HOW could Rome have seen any of the stuff at Gary's doctor's office and the chemo or anything that showed his cancer was back?  Gary didn't film that, not that we could see.  So what did Rome actually see on the video that led him to believe he had cancer?

[Notabug]

2 hours ago, circumvent said:

Still need to watch the episode but do I understand that Anna is, indeed, guilty of manslaughter? 

 

We don't know what she will be charged with, the show ended with her in handcuffs, under arrest.  However, she went to Eddie and told him what happened after she called the police to confess.  She is now in AA and felt the need to be honest.  Unfortunately, she apparently didn't think to hire an attorney to help her navigate the confession.  

She told Eddie that she was so angry after they ran into him out with a date, that she went to his house while still drunk that night and confronted him.  They argued at the top of the stairs, he attempted to touch her, no signs of aggression on his part, and she shoved him away and he fell down the stairs.  She then ran to the door.  As she turned and looked back, his eyes were open and he called her name.  She left anyway without calling for help.  

I think it all depends on what charges the DA thinks will stick.  If they think she's lying about how he came to fall down the stairs, that it wasn't an accident; she could be charged with more than manslaughter.  It seems like manslaughter fits the actual circumstances or negligent homicide.

Note: I am NOT a lawyer, everything I know, I learned from LA Law.  My assessment might be completely wrong.

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I am extremely confused by what was on the memory card.  HOW could Rome have seen any of the stuff at Gary's doctor's office and the chemo or anything that showed his cancer was back?  Gary didn't film that, not that we could see.  So what did Rome actually see on the video that led him to believe he had cancer?

The video Rome saw was an earlier one, sort of meant as an introduction to the whole video project for the child-to-be.  In it, Gary tells the kid how much he and Maggie want and love them and that sort of stuff and that they plan to film the events of the pregnancy so they can know.  The usual Gary joking around stuff and such in there, too.  Finally, Gary says something about how he might not be there in the future because of his cancer returning which is why he is so determined to film everything so his child will know him.  That is what Rome saw, not the other stuff.

We saw flashbacks that completed the scene with Gary and Maggie and the doctor when they found out he had mets; it wasn't on the video.

 

Edited May 19, 2022 by Notabug

[ams1001]

29 minutes ago, izabella said:

I am extremely confused by what was on the memory card.  HOW could Rome have seen any of the stuff at Gary's doctor's office and the chemo or anything that showed his cancer was back?  Gary didn't film that, not that we could see.  So what did Rome actually see on the video that led him to believe he had cancer?

Gary's video was a message to his future child, and said, in part, that he was going to make lots of videos and that "your mom" wanted him to do them "Just In Case" (episode title) he didn't live long enough to do it in person.

[circumvent]

16 minutes ago, Notabug said:

I think it all depends on what charges the DA thinks will stick.

Right. Prosecutors decide if they will pursue charges and yes, she should have talked to an attorney to arrange the confession and surrender, all based on a deal. Most cases end in a plea deal, in the case of white, not poor woman, she would get out with a slap on the wrist. But you know, this show, the drama, the unnecessary lies...

I think that accidents that end up with death are manslaughter but I am not a lawyer either.

[Suzn]

43 minutes ago, circumvent said:

Another character that is a criminal and nothing will happen to them, right? If this is the trend, could one of them kill Theo? Sorry, couldn't resist. Don't really want him to die but just be sent to a school far way. Just tell him that he is so special, he needs to go. Or maybe send him to space, on a mission, to find his family that must be from another planet, where 12 year-olds need cuddles, like to draw pictures to adults and wear matching pajamas with the mother's girlfriend.

Do i also understand that Gary does have cancer? The whole "cancer is back" from a few weeks ago that was dropped was a pathetic way the writers found to celebrate with "haha fooled you, haha". Actually, it makes sense they write Theo the way they do. He is the one in the mirror

 

16 minutes ago, Frisky Wig said:

Surely the writers can come up with a reason for Theo to join Delilah in France, right? We start next season with a line about how Theo is in a French immersion program in Paris and hanging out with Charlie. 

Baby Theo is unbearable and a space mission or French immersion in Paris would work.  Just, please don't torture us with him any more.

I don't like the way they've treated Gary's sickness.  They've been acting all giddy and now we see how seriously ill he is.

[CrystalBlue]

1 hour ago, ams1001 said:

I don't understand why he needed to borrow the camera in the first place. As the doctor pointed out, they both have smartphones which take pretty good video these days.

Cell phone video, while ubiquitous, is not the same quality as a professional camera like Rome has.  It makes sense that filmmaker and photographer Rome owns nice camera equipment.  Gary wants to leave his child a nice memory video.

[marceline]

I still wasn't feeling the way Rome talked to Maddox's father. It was pretty clear to me that Maddox's parents just didn't know how to deal with the situation. I won't pretend to know anything involved with coming out as trans but I feel like Maddox and his family simply needed counseling to figure out the new situation. They didn't need Rome trying to be a savior.

The subplot with Tyrell was ridiculous. Gina just assumed that Tyrell didn't want to go to Yale because of Vali (who continues to be a snotty Gen-Z stereotype) but didn't actually *ask* him?

This show really thinks Gary is much more charming than he is. His behavior in the store was just stupid. I give the show credit for hinting at Gary's cancer throughout the season and giving us a chance to revisit past scenes with new information. I didn't think this show was capable of that kind of subtlety.

That dinner at Katherine's looked amazing. If Katherine's mom made that dinner, she has cooking skills on par with Gina's.

Edited May 19, 2022 by marceline

[Notabug]

20 minutes ago, CrystalBlue said:

Cell phone video, while ubiquitous, is not the same quality as a professional camera like Rome has.  It makes sense that filmmaker and photographer Rome owns nice camera equipment.  Gary wants to leave his child a nice memory video.

But, since Gary intends for this to be a long-term project, it makes more sense that he would go out an buy a nice camera of his own so he could have full-time access.  Except on this show.

1 hour ago, Frisky Wig said:

Surely the writers can come up with a reason for Theo to join Delilah in France, right? We start next season with a line about how Theo is in a French immersion program in Paris and hanging out with Charlie. 

Charlie is his sister, maybe he wants to spend more time with her; it's not like his father seems to ever talk about her.  Delilah doesn't take care of her own kids but expects Eddie and Gary to do it for her.  It's only fair that they ship Theo over to France so she can do her share,

[Sandman]

I'm convinced Theo isn't going anywhere; DJ Nash has said, I believe, that his father was in a serious accident and uses a wheelchair. This suggests to me that Theo is, to some degree, anyway, an authorial insertion, and his sensitivity and insistent specialness is meant to be endearing, instead of eyeroll- (or rage-) inducing.

I would think that having a memory card would be better for long-term storage of video than smartphone video cloud storage (... or whatever; I'm a bit of a blockhead when it comes to phone technology).

Edited May 20, 2022 by Sandman

[Notabug]

9 minutes ago, marceline said:

I still wasn't feeling the way Rome talked to Maddox's father. It was pretty clear to me that Maddox's parents just didn't know how to deal with the situation. I won't pretend to know anything involved with coming out as trans but I feel like Maddox and his family simply needed counseling to figure out the new situation. They didn't need Rome trying to be a savior.

That dinner at Katherines looked amazing. If Katherine's mom made that dinner, she has cooking skills on par with Gina's.

I think it was incredibly intrusive and overstepping for Rome to go to the guy's house to talk to him.  The parents clearly hadn't responded well to him at the school, confronting the dad at home was not appropriate.  Of course, because it is this show, it all worked out and Rome is the hero, but it was really rude of him, IMO to continue to pursue the conversation when the parents had made their feelings very clear that his help was not welcome.

[CrystalBlue]

35 minutes ago, Notabug said:

But, since Gary intends for this to be a long-term project, it makes more sense that he would go out an buy a nice camera of his own so he could have full-time access.  Except on this show.

Charlie is his sister, maybe he wants to spend more time with her; it's not like his father seems to ever talk about her.  Delilah doesn't take care of her own kids but expects Eddie and Gary to do it for her.  It's only fair that they ship Theo over to France so she can do her share,

Yes, I was thinking that Gary could use that amazing acuary salary he earns from never working that we've seen and buy his own camera.

Theo to France -- a splendid idea!

[nexxie]

Watched This Is Us, and will watch the final season of A Million Little Things next year - but that’s the end of network shows for me. Refuse to invest any more time and energy in shows comprised of as much ad content as story content. Ridiculous. Nope.

[tennisgurl]

I should have known they were faking us out with Gary's cancer, no way would the show pass on another super dramatic cancer story, even though it feels like we already did this with Maggie about five minutes ago. I guess I give them credit for minor subtlety, hinting at Gary's condition for awhile, but in retrospect its pretty obvious. Of course now Maggie is pregnant so we can watch him make these bittersweet movies all season long as Gary continues his one man stand up routine for all the cancer patients. Am I still allowed to find Gary unimaginably annoying now that he has cancer again? Because he and Maggie were driving me nuts in the store, stealing a spot from someone and sticking their camera into the faces of random people, they really do act like the whole world exists just to amuse or serve them. 

Its nice that Maddox's dad came around, but that whole subplot ended up being so pointless. Just a chance for Rome to get to be a hero (and weirdly overstep) and to cross one more social issue off the list.

Poor Eddie, it was always weird that he was dating the ex wife of the man who sexually assaulted Sophie, but she did make him happy so it sucks that its ending like this. I guess he should just count himself lucky that he is apparently not getting arrested for lying to the cops, maybe Anna covered for him, but he is just always having the worst time of it, even when he actually manages to not mess up. I guess his consolation prize is having dinner (a really tasty looking dinner) with his ex, their annoyingly precocious twelve year old who acts like he's five, her new girlfriend, and the possum that lives on the aforementioned girlfriends head. It was a nice gesture at least. 

Every time the camera turns to Theo, I cringe now. He's every annoying cliché that everyone hates about TV kids rolled into one dinosaur pajama wearing package. I like this France idea, can that just our dumping ground for annoying characters now? Sorry France, we'll have Regina send you some yummy food truck food as compensation.

I am still not a huge fan of Tyrel and his Gen-X stereotype girlfriend, but his reason for wanting to turn down Yale was actually pretty nice and while Regina really should have talked to him earlier about not going to Yale, she handled their actual talk well. 

This season was at least better than the one before it for the most part, but watching the last season of This is Us, its so clear what a pale knock off this show is. This is Us is ridiculously melodramatic, contrived, and ridiculous as well, but this show wishes it could aim for the feels with the precision that show does. 

[bybrandy]

1 hour ago, nexxie said:

Watched This Is Us, and will watch the final season of A Million Little Things next year - but that’s the end of network shows for me. Refuse to invest any more time and energy in shows comprised of as much ad content as story content. Ridiculous. Nope.

I watch both of those shows next day on Hulu ad free.  

[historylover820]

I'm completely cool with Gary using a good camera for this journey, better than the phones, due to the ending. I just thought Rome had given Gary the camera, at least while on the journey, and I was confused as to why Rome had the camera back.

[StevedeMena]

7 hours ago, ams1001 said:

I don't understand why he needed to borrow the camera in the first place. As the doctor pointed out, they both have smartphones which take pretty good video these days.

He had to borrow the camera so Rome could find the video!

[historylover820]

1 minute ago, StevedeMena said:

He had to borrow the camera so Rome could find the video!

Oh, well, duh! That's obvious! (I'm so stupid for questioning the stupidity! 😄)

[Sandman]

3 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

 ... and the possum that lives on the aforementioned girlfriend's head.

Well, I guess I'm not unseeing that now. Hee.

[marceline]

 

6 hours ago, Suzn said:

Baby Theo is unbearable and a space mission or French immersion in Paris would work.  Just, please don't torture us with him any more.

I've been thinking a lot about the general dislike of Theo - which I share - but I feel like Tristan Byon deserves serious credit. We wouldn't have this kind of visceral reaction to the character if he wasn't very good at making the most of atrocious writing. I could point to child actors on other shows who are terrible. *cough911LoneStarcough* I checked his IMDB and he's been acting for a while. 

[historylover820]

4 minutes ago, marceline said:

 

I've been thinking a lot about the general dislike of Theo - which I share - but I feel like Tristan Byon deserves serious credit. We wouldn't have this kind of visceral reaction to the character if he wasn't very good at making the most of atrocious writing. I could point to child actors on other shows who are terrible. *cough911LoneStarcough* I checked his IMDB and he's been acting for a while. 

I agree. No disrespect to him. I've posted here that I wonder what he thinks about the writing for his character, if he doesn't get the scripts and wonder why the writers hate him.

[KaveDweller]

7 hours ago, circumvent said:

Right. Prosecutors decide if they will pursue charges and yes, she should have talked to an attorney to arrange the confession and surrender, all based on a deal. Most cases end in a plea deal, in the case of white, not poor woman, she would get out with a slap on the wrist. But you know, this show, the drama, the unnecessary lies...

She she should have talked to an attorney, and she is even lucky enough that her boyfriend's ex wife is a great one! Katherine totally could have gotten her a deal.

I wonder how much she actually told the police, because pushing him could legit be an accident. Not calling for help when she saw he was injured, but still alive? That seems intentional to me. 

[Snazzy Daisy]

I didn’t quickly watch the finale because I didn’t know what to expect. I spent time reading comments here and on Twitter just to prepare myself.

That final scene when Rome and Regina found out about Gary’s cancer, their expressions and shocks actually brought more sadness and pain into the twist. I still think Gary is a jerk, so his confessional video alone won’t make me sad or cry etc. Maggie pregnant or not, it doesn’t matter to me, she is still annoying AF.

Is the show trying to turn Gary into Jon 2.0 for the series finale? He took over Jon’s role of keeping the group together. And his death, like Jon’s, will bring the whole group together again.

If Gary and Peter can get away with their assaults and nasty behaviours, I hope there’ll be some kind of miracle that will help Anna. That detective didn’t even bother to investigate Sophie’s claim before and now he’s all over Anna. 🙄

Give some happiness to Eddie please. Make him walk again or let him be happy with Anna or a new love interest. Just don’t make him reconcile with that lousy mother - Delilah.

Still don’t like Tyrell even after knowing why he’s reluctant to go to Yale.

Maddox’s arc was lame and uninteresting.  But the scene between him and his dad in the forest, that was beautifully shot. Kudos to the director - Joanna Kerns.

Greta is growing on me. With her cool and fun personality, she is actually a nice addition to Katherine’s family. Maybe Greta can bring out the fun side of Aunty Kim, who knows. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[historylover820]

12 hours ago, Notabug said:

I am incredibly impressed by Gary's determination to keep his very prodigious full head of hair and beard through chemo.  I presume that it is due to sheer force of will because I don't know any other way that could happen.  Or, maybe the guy who made Maggie's pink wig has branched out and is way more talented than we realized.  There is no IV chemo for metastatic breast cancer that would not cause the hair to fall out, usually with the first round.  The show didn't really delve into it (they reallly don't delve into anythng) but what is happening with Gary is much more serious than what happened with Maggie.  She had a recurrence at the site of the original tumor while his is in his lung, evidence that the cancer cells have spread through his body.  This means he is never going to be 'cured' although many people live years, even decades afterwards. With new targeted treatments including immunotherapy, he could be around to see his kid grow up.

When he was on Psych (a completely different and much better show, IMO), James' RR's massive amount of hair was a running joke.  His character's father was played by Corbin Bernson who, of course, never had a full head of hair, even back in his LA Law days and Rodriguez' Shawn would frequently tease his father about it.

My Dad went through chemo last year, and while a lot of his hair fell out (according to my Mom), when I saw him in December after my bout of Covid (which, for obvious reasons, I didn't want to expose him to) and shortly before he ended his chemo therapy, I was surprised at how much hair my Dad still had. It was thin, but the majority of people who would have met him, I doubt whether they would know he was fighting lymphoma on the basis of his hair.

I saw him again a couple months ago, and his hair had completely grown back in.

I inherited Dad's hair. Both of our manes are really, really thick (well, obviously, Dad's wasn't when he was having chemo). I felt reassured because my long hair (which I never had before a couple years ago--I always had short hair)--I shed so much. But if Dad was able to keep so much of his hair when he was having chemo, I felt comforted that if I ever have to have chemo, I won't completely lose my hair.

Now, Dad didn't have metastatic breast cancer or anything. So, I don't know.

[CarpeFelis]

On 5/18/2022 at 8:42 PM, KaveDweller said:

They surprised me with Tyrell's reason for wanting to stay, that was a nice twist and I am glad Regina convinced him to go. It's not like he was planning to fly across the country.

I don't really care about Katherine and Greta, but I did like Katherine's mom coming around and supporting her.  I also liked Theo's reaction with his grandmother tried to claim Greta was just a friend. He just laughed like she was clueless, like it didn't even occur to him that she had an issue with Katherine being gay/bi.

Since they’re in Boston you’d think Tyrell maybe would’ve applied to Harvard instead of Yale if he really wanted to stick around. But why worry about it being 2 1/2 hours away anyway? What, his phone doesn’t have video chatting?

I enjoyed Theo laughing at grandma like she was clueless. For once the show didn’t have him acting like a wide-eyed 4-year-old who has no clue what’s going on around him.

And why on earth would Gary and Maggie film themselves talking about highly personal stuff in the middle of a freaking warehouse store?! Have they no sense of propriety? Oh, wait… never mind. Forgot who I was talking about.

Edited May 20, 2022 by CarpeFelis
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[Kip Hackman]

If we have to do the cancer thing again, why couldn't it have been Theo?

 

[One Imaginary Girl]

9 hours ago, CarpeFelis said:

Since they’re in Boston you’d think Tyrell maybe would’ve applied to Harvard instead of Yale if he really wanted to stick around. But why worry about it being 2 1/2 hours away anyway? What, his phone doesn’t have video chatting?

I enjoyed Theo laughing at grandma like she was clueless. For once the show didn’t have him acting like a wide-eyed 4-year-old who has no clue what’s going on around him.

Tyrell was worried about Rome and Regina dealing with his depression alone, but hasn't he noticed that that group of friends will meet up at the drop of a hat?  Plus they both have their parents around and seem to have mended their relationships with them.

There was a flicker of an older-seeming Theo at the end when he was teasing Greta about using chopsticks, in contrast to that kids' book he was reading at the beginning of the episode.  Since the show won't be back on until 2023, it'd be great if Tristan Byon had some growth spurt or other maturation before they start filming again, and they'd have to confront the fact that he is not a little kid anymore.

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12 minutes ago, One Imaginary Girl said:

Since the show won't be back on until 2023, it'd be great if Tristan Byon had some growth spurt or other maturation before they start filming again, and they'd have to confront the fact that he is not a little kid anymore.

His voice seems to beginning to change, so I think it's quite likely that he will in the next several months.

[Snazzy Daisy]

19 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

His voice seems to beginning to change, so I think it's quite likely that he will in the next several months.

I hope they remember to redecorate his room before they start shooting again. 🤣

Danny’s room in S1 didn’t look that childish as compared to Theo’s room now.

[Lovecat]

On 5/18/2022 at 11:14 PM, Notabug said:

When they kept talking about Gary's back problems in episode after episode, I figured they were hinting at a cancer recurrence.  Except it would've made more sense if his back pain was due to mets in his spine, but ok.  I wonder if they're going to pretend that Gary can have some sort of surgery to remove the mass in his lung to take advantage of James Roday Rodriguez' obvious thoracotomy scar.  You can see it in the episode where Maggie finds the breast lump.  He has never discussed it, but rumor has it he had a congenital heart defect repaired when he was a kid.

Same, but my money was on kidney cancer based on the back pain.  

I noticed that scar, but thought it was courtesy of the makeup department (didn't Gary have a mastectomy with his first bout of breast cancer?).  So handy that it can contribute to the storyline!

On 5/19/2022 at 9:57 AM, Notabug said:

The show didn't really delve into it (they reallly don't delve into anythng) but what is happening with Gary is much more serious than what happened with Maggie.  She had a recurrence at the site of the original tumor while his is in his lung, evidence that the cancer cells have spread through his body.  This means he is never going to be 'cured' although many people live years, even decades afterwards. With new targeted treatments including immunotherapy, he could be around to see his kid grow up.

It could be a new primary tumor; they didn't get into the results of the pathology report except to reveal that the mass was malignant.  Then again, with these writers, they probably assume that once you've had breast cancer, then any other mass that shows up is going to be the same cancer, sigh.

On 5/19/2022 at 10:13 AM, bybrandy said:

Did he do his sperm donation/donations before he started chemo?  

That was my first thought, too!  The viewers' timeline is so fuzzy that it's hard to tell, but I would assume this is the case, and also why Maggie and Gary ran to the fertility specialist after only "trying" for a short time.  I mean, they could have banked more of Gary's donations and tried later, but sure, let's just add all of that stress on top of Gary starting chemo again, no probs.  They must have amazing insurance coverage, too.

23 hours ago, izabella said:

I am extremely confused by what was on the memory card.  HOW could Rome have seen any of the stuff at Gary's doctor's office and the chemo or anything that showed his cancer was back?  Gary didn't film that, not that we could see.  So what did Rome actually see on the video that led him to believe he had cancer?

That was just some bad storytelling; as someone upstream pointed out, the stuff in the doctor's office and chemo was a flashback sequence.  All we know for sure Rome saw on the memory card was Gary saying something about "just in case I don't get better," but the way Rome was sitting there with his gob hanging open in shock, maybe Gary said more that was obscured by the soundtrack or just left out.

I have to say, Theo annoys me as much as the next person, but I laughed heartily at "[Grandma] wants to talk to you...good luck." though that might have had more to do with the look on Greta's face.