Trials and Tribulations of Juicy and Tre...

[merylinkid]

If Mom and Dad both have to be away for deployment or some such, at least the kids are left with a responsible adult.    But, if he drinks that much every night, he is not fit to parent and the girls should not be left in his care.   What if there is a fire?    What if Gia is spending the night elsewhere with a friend?   I can tell you if a judge were deciding custody between Joe and Tre, Joe's drinking while he cares for the kids (hello, drunk while helping with homework?) would qualify him for supervised visits only.   Leave them with someone who will at least be sober while caring for them.

 

Let me just add, that I am tickled pink my friend Taxgirl's Forbes' articles are being posted here.   Going to tell her.

[motorcitymom65]

For all of you Brian Moylan fans, he did a brief recap of the WWHL interview. He is brilliant, and while he didn't want to recap the season weekly because he knew it would be horrible, he is going to recap the season at the end.

 

Some of the comments are interesting and very surprising.  The folks who comment over at Vulture are smart. They pay attention for the most part. There are more folks that I would expect doing the whole "why are they facing such long sentences while child molesters run free" routine. 

 

http://www.vulture.com/2014/10/teresa-giudice-joe-andy-cohen-interview.html

Edited October 9, 2014 by motorcitymom65

[WireWrap]

How do you know that? (the request for staggered sentences). I get that it's done for the felons, not the govt., but do we know they specifically requested this? Was it in the plea?

 

How about his drunk driving. His suspended license. His alcoholism. I'm also wondering if Joe is employed/employable?

Teresa's Lawyer was quoted several times in the papers, saying that IF she got prison they hoped to get staggered sentences but that they were hopping for probation or house arrest.

[kassa]

I don't think anyone is going to change my mind about it being the Giudices fault for committing mortgage fraud.  It is not the lender's fault.  If I leave my home unlocked and go away for the weekend it is not my fault if I get burglarized.  Stealing, theft and fraud are on the person committing it-not the person who owns the property or money.  

 

 

It's not that the people like the Giudices were not at fault, but that in addition to their crimes, lenders had their own scams going.  In that market many lenders were purposely NOT doing due diligence to screen out bad loans -- they weren't intending to hold the loans themselves and deal with the fallout of their being bad loans, so they would make as many loans (good, bad, or ugly) as they could and immediately sell them.  And pocket the money.  Now the (bad) debt belonged to somebody else and they had washed their hands of it.  

 

Grifters like Joe and Theresa knew which mortgage companies were running refinances through with no oversight.  They counted on it.  And the banks didn't care as long as they had a signature on the dotted line and another entry in the ledger to sell up the line.  Eventually the bubble burst, and people had taken twice the money out of houses than they were ever worth.  

 

So while it's easy to blame the Giudices, still holed up in that mausoleum with all the goodies they bought with their refi money, they didn't do it unassisted, and lots of people in the banking world are still enjoying all the goodies THEY bought with the money they made on virtually the same crimes.   

Edited October 9, 2014 by kassa

[motorcitymom65]

When I was watching WWH, I wondered what on earth made Teresa marry Joe to begin with.  To my mind, Teresa has a basic core of values, and Joe has none.  I don't mean to imply that Teresa is blameless in all of this, but she does have a certain innocence and trust in Joe that surprises me.  She has put up with years of his illegal activities and his philandering, and she continues to stay in the marriage.  It's almost as if she thinks you're supposed to expect these things if you're married to a tough Italian man.

 

Where Joe is concerned, I hope some big guys in prison treat Joe like a girl, if you know what I mean.  I hope his experiences behind bars will be so frightening that he'll never want to break the law again!  In my opinion, he has been so unconcerned about his wife and family and has behaved like a spoiled child since the show began.  If anyone needs to be knocked down a peg or two, it's Joe. 

 

I see Teresa very differently. I have never seen any core values that I think are ideal. She has always come across as extremely selfish, narcissistic, jealous, manipulative, and mean.  I can see folks attributing certain marital values to her because she continues to stay married to the human scum that is Juicy, but I think that is just Teresa getting what she thinks is important. She will put up with Juicy as long as he gives her what she wants. I doubt very strongly that Teresa would have ever put up with Juicy fucking around or getting into various legal scrapes if he was committing small-time petty crimes (drug stuff) and they lived in a double-wide in Newark. It is all fine because he lives the value she understands most which is "happy wife, happy life". He does what it takes to make her happy, and she pretends ignorance about the way it all gets done. Then of course you have the fact that she has proven to be a liar again and again. 

 

I remember the episode when they all went to the mountains and stayed in the cabin with the Laurita's and the Manzo's.  Teresa shared in her TH interview that she had brought along Juicy's vibrating cock ring, because they couldn't leave home without it. I am no prude.  Folks can play however they want. I was just a bit disgusted that this girl who presented herself as some innocent would reveal something like that on TV. She had made a point before that season (and was criticized for it) to say that they allowed Gia to watch the show. Why does Gia need to know about this stuff? Then of course you have the Napa episode others have mentioned when Teresa and Juicy are in the RV with Mel and Joey, and Teresa asks Juicy to stick his finger up her ass. It was kind of shocking and I had to rewind a couple of times. Her frank sexual words shocked even Joey, and this is not easy to do. Who would say something like that while sitting so close to her own brother, and while on TV? Then of course you had her begging Juicy to "do her" in the vineyard.  While wearing a mic.  While being followed by a camera crew.  While her brother and her friends were sitting just a few feet away.  While her kids were no doubt about to hear all about this at school. This is not a girl who has any core values of which I am familiar. 

[Higgins]

It's not that the people like the Giudices were not at fault, but that in addition to their crimes, lenders had their own scams going.  In that market many lenders were purposely NOT doing due diligence to screen out bad loans -- they weren't intending to hold the loans themselves and deal with the fallout of their being bad loans, so they would make as many loans (good, bad, or ugly) as they could and immediately sell them.  And pocket the money.  Now the (bad) debt belonged to somebody else and they had washed their hands of it.  

 

Grifters like Joe and Theresa knew which mortgage companies were running refinances through with no oversight.  They counted on it.  And the banks didn't care as long as they had a signature on the dotted line and another entry in the ledger to sell up the line.  Eventually the bubble burst, and people had taken twice the money out of houses than they were ever worth.  

 

So while it's easy to blame the Giudices, still holed up in that mausoleum with all the goodies they bought with their refi money, they didn't do it unassisted, and lots of people in the banking world are still enjoying all the goodies THEY bought with the money they made on virtually the same crimes.   

And the banks got bail outs.

[WireWrap]

For all of you Brian Moylan fans, he did a brief recap of the WWHL interview. He is brilliant, and while he didn't want to recap the season weekly because he knew it would be horrible, he is going to recap the season at the end.

 

Some of the comments are interesting and very surprising.  The folks who comment over at Vulture are smart. They pay attention for the most part. There are more folks that I would expect doing the whole "why are they facing such long sentences while child molesters run free" routine. 

 

http://www.vulture.com/2014/10/teresa-giudice-joe-andy-cohen-interview.html

There are also quite a few that throw up the bankers/mortgage lenders and the collapse of 08' and why aren't any of them in prison. Quite a few seem to think white-collar criminals should not go to prison, that is until THEY become victims of these scammers/grifters! People seem to forget that neither Teresa or Joe made any effort to repay the debts they tried to erase through their failed/illegal BK attempt. They had from 2010 through to Oct. 2014 to do so but NOTHING, ZIP, ZERO, NADA! SMH

[One Tough Cookie]

Is it the end of the world? No but it's the end of their world as they know it.

 

 

And that just might b a very good thing.

[motorcitymom65]

It's not that the people like the Giudices were not at fault, but that in addition to their crimes, lenders had their own scams going.  In that market many lenders were purposely NOT doing due diligence to screen out bad loans -- they weren't intending to hold the loans themselves and deal with the fallout of their being bad loans, so they would make as many loans (good, bad, or ugly) as they could and immediately sell them.  And pocket the money.  Now the (bad) debt belonged to somebody else and they had washed their hands of it.  

 

Grifters like Joe and Theresa knew which mortgage companies were running refinances through with no oversight.  They counted on it.  And the banks didn't care as long as they had a signature on the dotted line and another entry in the ledger to sell up the line.  Eventually the bubble burst, and people had taken twice the money out of houses than they were ever worth.  

 

So while it's easy to blame the Giudices, still holed up in that mausoleum with all the goodies they bought with their refi money, they didn't do it unassisted, and lots of people in the banking world are still enjoying all the goodies THEY bought with the money they made on virtually the same crimes.   

In every single business there is a presumption that there will be losses of some sort. A business will always take certain risks and hope that they do not come to fruition.

 

My husband works in big-time retail. It has been interesting over the years to see the ebbs and flows of how the dollars are allocated for security in their stores.  There are always going to be folks who walk in and just take something they want and walk out without paying for it. The more security folks you have on the floor and watching from cameras, the more of these folks you will catch. In some instances decisions are made that security could be scaled back. If you are not paying for so many people to do this job, you can have more salespeople ringing sales and helping clients, and you have more money to put into promotions and sales on merchandise. It is a big balancing act, as you know that a certain amount of people are going to find a way to steal from you.  While very different at banks, it is also similar. They didn't worry so much about the bad guys, as they wanted to make as much money as they could. If they took some losses in order to reap more gains, maybe it would be worth it.  At the end of the day, there are failures in the systems in place, but the fault IMO should fall on the folks with the intent to defraud/steal/lie. 

Edited October 9, 2014 by motorcitymom65

[amarante]

If Mom and Dad both have to be away for deployment or some such, at least the kids are left with a responsible adult.    But, if he drinks that much every night, he is not fit to parent and the girls should not be left in his care.   What if there is a fire?    What if Gia is spending the night elsewhere with a friend?   I can tell you if a judge were deciding custody between Joe and Tre, Joe's drinking while he cares for the kids (hello, drunk while helping with homework?) would qualify him for supervised visits only.   Leave them with someone who will at least be sober while caring for them.

 

 

My point in my earlier post was that there are lots of children who don't have ideal childhoods with two intelligent, caring, fantastic parents.

 

And often children are subject to hard times THROUGH NOT FAULT OF THE PARENTS which is why I brought up the Armed Forces deployment. Obviously, the Army requires that personnel with minor children have a child care directive on file but the reality is that they will also be lacking one - if not both parents for a significant period of time.

 

And there are plenty of children who are parented by far worse than Joe and the children do have an extensive extended family to step in if Joe falls apart and actually causes the children to be neglected or abused.

 

I just don't feel particularly sorry for the Juicys or their children. There are plenty of worthier people who I can beam my sympathy towards - those who are in hard times through no fault of their own. People who didn't lie, cheat or steal and are trying to raise their children on Walmart wages.

[WireWrap]

It's not that the people like the Giudices were not at fault, but that in addition to their crimes, lenders had their own scams going.  In that market many lenders were purposely NOT doing due diligence to screen out bad loans -- they weren't intending to hold the loans themselves and deal with the fallout of their being bad loans, so they would make as many loans (good, bad, or ugly) as they could and immediately sell them.  And pocket the money.  Now the (bad) debt belonged to somebody else and they had washed their hands of it.  

 

Grifters like Joe and Theresa knew which mortgage companies were running refinances through with no oversight.  They counted on it.  And the banks didn't care as long as they had a signature on the dotted line and another entry in the ledger to sell up the line.  Eventually the bubble burst, and people had taken twice the money out of houses than they were ever worth.  

 

So while it's easy to blame the Giudices, still holed up in that mausoleum with all the goodies they bought with their refi money, they didn't do it unassisted, and lots of people in the banking world are still enjoying all the goodies THEY bought with the money they made on virtually the same crimes.   

Yes, there were shady people in the mortgage/loan business, but not all people in that business were bad/corrupt. We have no idea that whoever Joe/Teresa went through were anything other than decent people. I would think if they had "inside" help or that the numerous people that they went through to get their ill-gotten gains were anything other than legit, they would also be on trial. It does not appear that they used the same person or even the same company over and over again in any of the evidence we saw in the indictments. Do the laws need to be tightened for people in the mortgage/loan industry, YES, but so do the laws for the grifters that pull these scams over and over again. I also feel that even if someone in the industry were to be charged that it would in no way diminish Teresa and Joes guilt. JMO

[zoeysmom]

How do you know that? (the request for staggered sentences). I get that it's done for the felons, not the govt., but do we know they specifically requested this? Was it in the plea?

 

How about his drunk driving. His suspended license. His alcoholism. I'm also wondering if Joe is employed/employable?

Their attorneys asked for it.  They would have put in their moving papers or argued orally requesting sentences be staggered.  I think in one of the quotes one of the attorneys even went so far as to say there was not a single family member that could take all the girls.  Then again you had one attorney comparing Joe to be deported as just one step up for the death sentence.

[jaync]

If anyone was paying attention, they should see if Kahty and Rosie's mom, presumably Teresa's Aunt either by blood or marriage, would be willing to care for the kids while Mommy goes away and daddy stays drunk.

That sweet, sane woman doesn't deserve that kind of punishment.

[LotusFlower]

I see Teresa very differently. I have never seen any core values that I think are ideal. She has always come across as extremely selfish, narcissistic, jealous, manipulative, and mean.  I can see folks attributing certain marital values to her because she continues to stay married to the human scum that is Juicy, but I think that is just Teresa getting what she thinks is important. She will put up with Juicy as long as he gives her what she wants.

 

Tell us how you really feel! (But you know I agree). Teresa is a narcissist who values money and material things above all else. I wrote it upthread, and I'll say it again - Teresa's harshest sentence will be living without the money.

 

In every single business there is a presumption that there will be losses of some sort. A business will always take certain risks and hope that they do not come to fruition......While very different at banks, it is also similar. They didn't worry so much about the bad guys, as they wanted to make as much money as they could. If they took some losses in order to reap more gains, maybe it would be worth it.  At the end of the day, there are failures in the systems in place, but the fault IMO should fall on the folks with the intent to defraud/steal/lie.

I like the analogy to retail/gains vs. losses. It makes sense. Everybody (at the banks) looked the other way because they were making so much money. I think it's also the context for Teresa's "if it happened to us, it could happen to anybody" quote. I think Joe told her that everybody was doing this, and maybe in their insular world, they were. But Teresa was like the bank - at the very least she knew what they were doing didn't pass the smell test, or that it was risky, but the reward was too big, so she looked the other way. And went shopping.

[zoeysmom]

It's not that the people like the Giudices were not at fault, but that in addition to their crimes, lenders had their own scams going.  In that market many lenders were purposely NOT doing due diligence to screen out bad loans -- they weren't intending to hold the loans themselves and deal with the fallout of their being bad loans, so they would make as many loans (good, bad, or ugly) as they could and immediately sell them.  And pocket the money.  Now the (bad) debt belonged to somebody else and they had washed their hands of it.  

 

Grifters like Joe and Theresa knew which mortgage companies were running refinances through with no oversight.  They counted on it.  And the banks didn't care as long as they had a signature on the dotted line and another entry in the ledger to sell up the line.  Eventually the bubble burst, and people had taken twice the money out of houses than they were ever worth.  

 

So while it's easy to blame the Giudices, still holed up in that mausoleum with all the goodies they bought with their refi money, they didn't do it unassisted, and lots of people in the banking world are still enjoying all the goodies THEY bought with the money they made on virtually the same crimes.   

I hold the Giudices and the Giudices alone responsible for the fraud committed against the lenders.  The Giudices were not being charged with the mortgage banking crisis-they were being charged with submitted false information on specific loans.  If I use the proceeds of stolen money to buy a car I don't hold the car salespeople or the manufacturer responsible.  Again if there is proof a loan officer committed a crime in loaning the Giudices money then they should be charged with that specific crime.  There has been a boatload of investigators on this case and if there was specific collusion I think it would have been uncovered.

[demarti]

 Regarding the happy couple, this is how I see it playing out: We know Teresa goes to jail and Joe will have the kids. Except Joe doesn't care for the kids because he can't handle it. He doesn't know how. Teresa has always been the primary parent, he doesn't have a clue what the day to day entails.  The grandma's step in and take care of the girls. Joe dives deeper into alcohol and pretty much stays drunk most of the time. Teresa gets really pissed that he is not caring for their children, she has lots of time to stew over it, the marriage starts to unravel. Now it's Joe's turn for jail. By now the kids are completely out of control, the money is dried up. Everything will fall on Teresa's shoulders.Then BAM! DIVORCE. It's inevitable. 

Edited October 9, 2014 by demarti

[ginger90]

Teresa and Joe should have told the girls what was going on and what may happen. Then, Teresa should have requested to report to serve a week after the sentencing. Why drag it out?

[diorella78]

I get that there are kids out there with morally sound parents who are in the shitter, but I still feel bad for the Giudice kids. They didn't ask to be born. Gia grew up with Teresa's version of "normal"......and now she's left taking the fall, more or less. How embarrassing for a 13 year old to go through this....13 is a bitch ass age, and I'd never repeat it, even for a million dollars. 

 

ETA: I still don't see Teresa divorcing Joe. "Old school Italians" just don't do such things. (In her world)

Edited October 9, 2014 by diorella78

[LotusFlower]

Regarding the happy couple, this is how I see it playing out: We know Teresa goes to jail and Joe will have the kids. Except Joe doesn't care for the kids because he can't handle it. He doesn't know how. Teresa has always been the primary parent, he doesn't have a clue what the day to day entails.  The grandma's step in and take care of the girls. Joe dives deeper into alcohol and pretty much stays drunk most of the time. Teresa gets really pissed that he is not caring for their children, she has lots of time to stew over it, the marriage starts to unravel. Now it's Joe's turn for jail. By now the kids are completely out of control, the money is dried up. Everything will fall on Teresa's shoulders.Then BAM! DIVORCE. It's inevitable.

Yes. Agreed. We're taking another poll. When will Teresa file for divorce? MCM says 6 months post college graduation, I just added a month or two.

[motorcitymom65]

Yes. Agreed. We're taking another poll. When will Teresa file for divorce? MCM says 6 months post college graduation, I just added a month or two.

I reserve the right to amend my earlier prediction should Juicy indeed get his girlfriend pregnant before Teresa graduates.  Which I am anticipating. 

[LotusFlower]

Their attorneys asked for it.  They would have put in their moving papers or argued orally requesting sentences be staggered.  I think in one of the quotes one of the attorneys even went so far as to say there was not a single family member that could take all the girls.  Then again you had one attorney comparing Joe to be deported as just one step up for the death sentence.

I'm just wondering if you read it somewhere (like the plea agreement, which did talk about some requests), or just assuming. Also, the line about no family member being able to care for all 4 girls together was just an excuse used for the downward departure motion, which, of course, was denied. It was just court strategy; I don't think its true, but in any case, it's not really here or there.

[LotusFlower]

I reserve the right to amend my earlier prediction should Juicy indeed get his girlfriend pregnant before Teresa graduates.  Which I am anticipating.

Oh no - stipulations! That's what made me lose the last poll! (Joe's 2 years of probation after he gets out really sunk me). I'll have to ponder this one some more....

In all seriousness, I think this family is about to implode. I predict Bravo will fire them. If that's true, look at their life - no job, no job prospects, prison stints for both, possible deportation, bills up the kazoo, lawsuits up the kazoo, creditors after them, Joe's alcoholism.....am I missing anything? I don't think Joe has the strength of character to overcome all this. As for Teresa, I think we know now that she's not as strong as she's always led us to believe (not that I blame her). And I think the public humiliation of all this will doom her.

[WireWrap]

 

Tell us how you really feel! (But you know I agree). Teresa is a narcissist who values money and material things above all else. I wrote it upthread, and I'll say it again - Teresa's harshest sentence will be living without the money.

 

I like the analogy to retail/gains vs. losses. It makes sense. Everybody (at the banks) looked the other way because they were making so much money. I think it's also the context for Teresa's "if it happened to us, it could happen to anybody" quote. I think Joe told her that everybody was doing this, and maybe in their insular world, they were. But Teresa was like the bank - at the very least she knew what they were doing didn't pass the smell test, or that it was risky, but the reward was too big, so she looked the other way. And went shopping.

I tend to think Teresa treated these scams as her own personal ATM machine. I can hear her tell Joe that he needed to get "more money" for whatever she just had to have at that moment. I don't think she just looked the other way at all but would "request" money knowing they were not entitled to it and not caring if could they afford as long as she got it.  JMO

[WireWrap]

 Regarding the happy couple, this is how I see it playing out: We know Teresa goes to jail and Joe will have the kids. Except Joe doesn't care for the kids because he can't handle it. He doesn't know how. Teresa has always been the primary parent, he doesn't have a clue what the day to day entails.  The grandma's step in and take care of the girls. Joe dives deeper into alcohol and pretty much stays drunk most of the time. Teresa gets really pissed that he is not caring for their children, she has lots of time to stew over it, the marriage starts to unravel. Now it's Joe's turn for jail. By now the kids are completely out of control, the money is dried up. Everything will fall on Teresa's shoulders.Then BAM! DIVORCE. It's inevitable. 

I remember in season 1 or 2 Teresa telling us that her mother came over every day to clean her house and to help her tend to the girls. Teresa may claim she does it on her own but I call BS on that! With everything Teresa has her hands into, there is no way she did/does not have help around the house everyday, taking care of the girls AND cleaning. We have seen Joe cook as much as Teresa does on the show over the years. In fact, the only other HW that cooks as little as Teresa does on the show is Melissa. We saw Jac, Caroline and Kathy cook far more than Teresa over the years.

Yes. Agreed. We're taking another poll. When will Teresa file for divorce? MCM says 6 months post college graduation, I just added a month or two.

Teresa will go to a divorce attorney 3 months after Joe goes on "vacation".

[One Tough Cookie]

Teresa and Joe should have told the girls what was going on and what may happen. Then, Teresa should have requested to report to serve a week after the sentencing. Why drag it out?

 

 

I think Tre still thinks she can worm her way out of actually serving time.  I don't know her reasoning, but something tells me she thinks some last minute happening  or person will magically appear and whoops!  Tre walks free!  and I think they are actively trying to conceive.  If they succeed I hope baby Gudice is born in prison while inmate Gudice is chained to a bed.

 

{boy, am I a bitch tonite}

[LotusFlower]

I tend to think Teresa treated these scams as her own personal ATM machine. I can hear her tell Joe that he needed to get "more money" for whatever she just had to have at that moment. I don't think she just looked the other way at all but would "request" money knowing they were not entitled to it and not caring if could they afford as long as she got it.  JMO

I meant "looked the other way" as in she knew what they were doing wasn't kosher, but she didn't care. So long as the money kept rolling in. (So I think we agree!)

[TaxNerd]

Teresa and Joe should have told the girls what was going on and what may happen. Then, Teresa should have requested to report to serve a week after the sentencing. Why drag it out?

I still think because they either think Joe will be deported, so they want one last Christmas in their ridiculous house or because Tre believes deep down the she will get a last minute reprieve and not actually do any time.

Logically I agree, they should both go in now and Tre would be home for Christmas next year.

Anyone know how soon after Tre gets out Joe will go? Just curious if they get anytime together or if it's a report immediately situation.

[LotusFlower]

Teresa will go to a divorce attorney 3 months after Joe goes on "vacation".

Wait - I just remember MCM guessed 3 months, not 6 like I erroneously listed. But you can guess 3, too! I stink at this. Where's our official scorekeeper, Rhetorica?

[Satchels of gold]

The days of 90 day alchol treatment are long over, most places now keep you for two weeks and discharge you to aftercare. Joe could go to rehab after his state hearing and still be out in time for Christmas. I really hope he has the foresight to do this , but I doubt it. The thought of Gia trying to manage her sisters and a drunken Joe breaks my heart.

[WireWrap]

Teresa and Joe should have told the girls what was going on and what may happen. Then, Teresa should have requested to report to serve a week after the sentencing. Why drag it out?

I don't think Teresa wants to face having to tell her daughters the truth, that she is GUILTY and now a felon. She could care less if they know that Joe is 1, but heaven forbid that she has to admit that about herself especially to the girls. Can you imagine what Maliana will say to her, how she will challenge Teresa with questions and then the melt down that will follow by all 3 of the younger the girls? All 4 of the girls should have been in counseling after they pled guilty and all 6 of them should have been in family counseling after that as well. Sadly, in order for that to have happen, Teresa needed to be honest with herself and then her family and that is never going to happen IMO.

[WireWrap]

I still think because they either think Joe will be deported, so they want one last Christmas in their ridiculous house or because Tre believes deep down the she will get a last minute reprieve and not actually do any time.

Logically I agree, they should both go in now and Tre would be home for Christmas next year.

Anyone know how soon after Tre gets out Joe will go? Just curious if they get anytime together or if it's a report immediately situation.

Even if Teresa gets time off for good behavior, 50 days, she will serve a minimum of 13 months + about 10 days,  that will have her getting released sometime in Feb. 2016. She will not be home for Christmas 2015.

[Lablover27]

So wait, what's the poll?  How long it takes for Tre to graduate?

Or how long it takes for Juicy Up'd Joe barfs red wine all over the marble? 

Or when he finally gets a boy? 

 

Where is our scorekeeper. 

[TaxNerd]

Even if Teresa gets time off for good behavior, 50 days, she will serve a minimum of 13 months + about 10 days, that will have her getting released sometime in Feb. 2016. She will not be home for Christmas 2015.

I meant if she went in right now she may be home for Christmas 2015. But that would have required preparation and we all know that didn't happen.

Looking forward to the interview tonight, hope Andy goes tough on them!

So wait, what's the poll? How long it takes for Tre to graduate?

Or how long it takes for Juicy Up'd Joe barfs red wine all over the marble?

Or when he finally gets a boy?

Where is our scorekeeper.

LOL I didn't think of the possibility of a mistress having a baby boy while Teresa was in jail. Now THAT would be a good soap!

[Jennifersdc]

Well I hope tonight's installment is as entertaining as Monday's. I was pleasantly surprised. Have my cocktail this time in anticipation.

Oh and to Teresa "I always paid my taxes" - honey the only reason you weren't charged with that was because you were unemployed during the years they charged Joe with. It was part of their case about you faking income for all those loans you got in your name. Married couples generally file joint tax returns. It continues to annoy me that she thinks we're all as stupid as she is.

[WireWrap]

More info on BOTH Teresa and Joe. Where Joe will serve.  http://stoopidhousewives.com/2014/10/09/teresa_giudice-joe-giudice-sentencing-judge-recommends-rehab-for-joe-two-years-supervised-release-teresa-new-debt-restrictions-prison-close-to-home-two-years-supervised-release/

 

This part will hurt Teresa! Only she has "Debt Restrictions", number 2 on her "Additional Restrictions" list!

"New Debt Restrictions ( definition from another Federal case):  You are prohibited from incurring any new credit charges, opening additional lines of credit, or incurring any new monetary loan, obligation, or debt, by whatever name known, without the approval of the U.S. Probation Office.  You shall not encumber or liquidate interest in any assets unless it is in direct service of the fine and/or restitution obligation or otherwise has the expressed approval of the Court."

Edited October 10, 2014 by WireWrap

[Muffyn]

So wait, what's the poll?  How long it takes for Tre to graduate?

Or how long it takes for Juicy Up'd Joe barfs red wine all over the marble? 

Or when he finally gets a boy? 

 

Where is our scorekeeper. 

The poll is when Teresa will divorce Joe.  I assume Joe barfs red wine all over the marble regularly.  We would have to do that poll by the minute.  

[merylinkid]

Oh those debt restrictions are nasty.   She can't have a credit card.   She can't even lease or buy a car.   Now will they let her buy a car?   Sure.   If she has no other transportation.   But it's going to be approved for a normal car, not a sports car.   And probably used too.

 

There is enough time for Joe to get his mistress pregnant and for him to give birth before Tre gets out of the slammer.   Only takes 1 time and 9 months.   Hell that kid could be teething and almost walking before Tre sees daylight again.  

[Barb23]

I was agreeing with you. What I meant by "money" was the ability to purchase comfort items that you can trade for favors.

I'll trade you 2 packs of Ramen noodles.....

[SFoster21]

I'll trade you 2 packs of Ramen noodles.....

Candy bars go farther. And Cokes.

[Auntie Anxiety]

 

There is enough time for Joe to get his mistress pregnant and for him to give birth before Tre gets out of the slammer.   Only takes 1 time and 9 months.   Hell that kid could be teething and almost walking before Tre sees daylight again.

And I'm thinking that Joe will start getting "lonely" (read horny and in need of someone to make him feel better about his plight) right around the holidays, will impregnate another woman/his mistress/brainless bimbo/one of Teresa's mortal enemies and the baby won't be due until after Teresa is out.  Joe won't tell her about it, but the baby momma and Teresa will end up crossing paths at Club Fed visiting day.  Then Teresa will run back in to the prison and force Joe to have sex with her, a la the vineyard debacle.

[Jennifersdc]

More info on BOTH Teresa and Joe. Where Joe will serve.  http://stoopidhousewives.com/2014/10/09/teresa_giudice-joe-giudice-sentencing-judge-recommends-rehab-for-joe-two-years-supervised-release-teresa-new-debt-restrictions-prison-close-to-home-two-years-supervised-release/

 

This part will hurt Teresa! Only she has "Debt Restrictions", number 2 on her "Additional Restrictions" list!

"New Debt Restrictions ( definition from another Federal case):  You are prohibited from incurring any new credit charges, opening additional lines of credit, or incurring any new monetary loan, obligation, or debt, by whatever name known, without the approval of the U.S. Probation Office.  You shall not encumber or liquidate interest in any assets unless it is in direct service of the fine and/or restitution obligation or otherwise has the expressed approval of the Court."

Hot damn - did I finally figure out the quote function? Like Teresa could get any credit.

[LotusFlower]

Candy bars go farther. And Cokes.

No Fabellini?

[Jennifersdc]

Stop teasing about the Fabellini I never had.

[Jennifersdc]

Awesome - Juicy looks like he's about to fall asleep. Maybe he's drunk.

[FlyingEgret]

After watching the first 7 minutes of tonight's show, I say Tre serves Joe with divorce papers as she's boarding the bus to college

Edited October 10, 2014 by FlyingEgret

[crgirl412]

Regarding the $200,000.

 

J:  "We had it in there .....whatever ......."

 

T:  "We didn't have it......y'know......."

 

Craziness!!!

[Rhetorica]

So wait, what's the poll? How long it takes for Tre to graduate?

Or how long it takes for Juicy Up'd Joe barfs red wine all over the marble?

Or when he finally gets a boy?

Where is our scorekeeper.

Well crap, I gotta keep track of another poll for five more years? OK but who's runner up if I can't fulfill my duties?

[Lablover27]

And I'm thinking that Joe will start getting "lonely" (read horny and in need of someone to make him feel better about his plight) right around the holidays, will impregnate another woman/his mistress/brainless bimbo/one of Teresa's mortal enemies and the baby won't be due until after Teresa is out.  Joe won't tell her about it, but the baby momma and Teresa will end up crossing paths at Club Fed visiting day.  Then Teresa will run back in to the prison and force Joe to have sex with her, a la the vineyard debacle.

Hahahaha.  I'm evil, I can't stop giggling. 

 

But we pay our taxes beyotch!

[TheFinalRose]

Why didn't you bring the $200,000?

 

Tre: Because you know, you know, first of all we didn't have the money. Joe: I had it arraigned. I had it set up and um I don't know what happened. I mean it was there, it just wasn't, i dunno.  

 

 

[AndreaK1041]

I think Joe is a dirty criminal, but Teresa is a pathological liar. And she hates her husband.