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S10.E13: There's No Place Like Rome


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The Rome getaway continues as the women process Brandi's claims against Denise; Kyle and Dorit try to work through their constant clashes; Garcelle, Denise, Erika and Lisa tour the city in luxury Ferraris; Denise throws out an accusation at dinner.

Airdate: 08/05/2020

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3 minutes ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

OMG, have these ladies never had calamari? It's pretty standard at every Italian restaurant on the East Coast. 

Right?? I’m a picky eater sometimes and even I would have been scarfing that up.  I feel bad for Denise’s garlic allergy.  I LIVE for all things garlic.  Even that rose looked good - the color was beautiful.

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Oh, for God's sake, Denise, you can't apologize FOR Aaron. He's a total asshole. I get that she loves him and I can understand wanting to defend him but she shouldn't apologize for him. His behavior is not Denise's fault and she shouldn't take responsibility for it.  

ETA: Dorit looks ridiculous and is ridiculous.  Who takes style points from her, seriously? She's looks like Clown-Show Barbie. 

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Seriously these people and their glam is just EXHAUSTING.  No wonder these bitches don’t eat- can’t potentially mess up their over-the-top makeup or $10,000 outfits that they probably have to return to the store.

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Denise was caught in a big blatant lie—whether she had spoken to Brandi in the time leading up to Kyle’s party.  I’m like Judge Judy—if someone lies once, everything else they say is suspect.  If there was nothing to hide about talking to Brandi, Denise didn’t need to lie about it.  And what did she say right after Lisa jumped on her lie—“I’m going to get off of that”?  This is like when things didn’t go Denise’s way when she was talking to Erika at ShoeDazzle, when Denise wanted to talk about children, and Erika—who had already apologized to Denise about the children—wanted to talk about Aaron’s presence. Denise told Erika she would get to that in a minute, and she never got to it.  Between yelling “Bravo, Bravo, Bravo” and switching off the subject at hand, Denise is looking as much like a control freak with regard to her narrative as everyone else.  

Dorit was spot-on about Kyle.  I think what went unsaid was that Dorit feels like she is forever indebted to Kyle for throwing away her friendship with LVP for Dorit.  I disagree with Kyle that Dorit was overreacting.  What Kyle was doing to Dorit was like Chinese water torture or death by a thousand paper cuts.  Anytime you bring it up, you’re going to look like the petty one, when you’re not.  This was a big part of my objection to LVP’s MO.  If someone does a bunch of small things to slight someone else, eventually that person is going to clap back or get walked over.  

I liked Denise saying that she was just going to pretend last night didn’t happen.  That is the best thing she can do.  This gossip is like a fire, and she needs to deprive it of oxygen.  She was completely right that “some of these women” (understatement of the year) want the chaos around them.  This is where Denise goes right.  It makes it more frustrating for me that I know she knows how to play this game, but she only does a half-hearted job of it.  

Kyle getting in a very subtle dig about Dorit’s $30k Amex bill was more enjoyable than Kyle just being a bitch.  Kyle and Dorit actually play well off of each other, because Kyle can be a stealth bitch and after watching Dorit for the past four seasons, I feel like Dorit does get out over her skis if she’s not constantly checked.  

Driving Ferraris around Italy?  Didn’t Mauricio and Alexia do this exact thing in Italy at the beginning of season four?  Probably fun in person, but boring then, boring now.  

Oh, Denise and her allergies.  Again, I don’t care about her allergies and what she has to say or do to avoid an allergic reaction, but the garlic bread was already arriving at the table; she wasn’t ordering.  It seemed a little bit like an over share to tell the server she was allergic at that point.  It reminded me of last season when they went to Provence and they freaked out over the desserts that they didn’t want to eat.  Kind of amusing.  

Denise doesn’t know how Aaron spoke?  At Sutton’s party, right?  Because she definitely heard how he spoke at Kyle’s barbecue and she didn’t seem to think there was anything wrong with that?  Girl, bye.  On the other hand, if Denise had been this mature at ShoeDazzle when Erika wanted to talk about the husband, she might have found herself with any ally at the dinner the night before.  

At that final dinner, Erika’s glam went so wrong.  She was dressed like someone 20 lbs lighter and two cup sizes smaller.  She was also freakishly pale, which I don’t find attractive.  I think Erika was trying to do something like that red rubber dress she wore in Berlin, but it missed the mark.  Dorit’s outfit was so wrong that it was right, and the hair was very cute in a Sandy-at-the-end-of-Grease kind of way, but the lateness was so rude that the entire outfit actually lost its appeal.  I commented last season that Dorit can get away with fashion that Bethenny Frankel couldn’t get away with, because Dorit makes it look like fun, whereas Bethenny makes everything look like work.  When Dorit is this late, it takes any type of effortlessness out of the equation, and she just looks like a late, vain asshole to me.  

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4 minutes ago, Choco9 said:

Fuck yea Garcelle went in on Rinna with the dancing bullshit THANK YOU QUEEN!

Damn, I didn’t expect it, but, not mad at it. Also, love Garcelle’s love of pink.

Sutton seems exhausting. 

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7 minutes ago, Choco9 said:

She literally did the exact right thing.  Said sorry, even though she didn’t need to, and said he would do the same and she appreciated Erika not holding it against her.  WTF else is she supposed to do?  

She literally didn't do the exact right thing but the thing that co-dependent people do. She shouldn't apologize for someone else's behavior. The "exact right thing" is to say, "I will convey your concerns to my husband and hopefully you guys can work it out directly."  You should NEVER apologize on someone else's behalf because it means you are taking responsibility for their behavior.

And she should certainly not apologize on her husband's behalf if she thinks her husband doesn't think he acted like an asshole. Which she just admitted. So she's being disingenuous as well as a pushover. 

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Oh good, Sutton has now ONCE AGAIN confirmed ON CAMERA that she heard the rumor. But somehow she's the hero. 

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Ew Kyle ordering her salmon very well done is another reason for me to find her annoying.

Agreed on that. What is it with these ladies not understanding seafood and shell fish?

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Just now, Choco9 said:

It’s called being civil.  And she wasn’t around at Sutton’s, she was in the bathroom.  Erika specifically said Sutton’s event was the issue.  I guess we will agree to disagree because I thought she handled it really well, as evidenced by the conclusion of them getting past it.

One can be civil without taking responsibility for someone else's behavior and apologizing for them. She could have just as easily said, "I hear your concerns Erika and understand them. I will make sure to talk to Aaron about them and am happy to facilitate a conversation with him" or something. That would be perfectly civil.

I am not sure why Denise's location matters. I understand she wasn't there when Aaron acted like an asshole but that was hardly the first time he's acted like an asshole, whether or not she was around.  She seems to like his personality and more power to her.  But their co-dependence is pretty obvious to me. 

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Dorit is not speaking Italian right.  She enunciates every word, and that’s not how the language is spoken.  It’s how a foreigner who wants everyone to know she speaks Italian speaks Italian.  It’s very try-hard.  And I have been liking Dorit this season up to this episode.  

Erika looked older than her chronological age to me for the first time ever in her get-up that looked like Dorinda in costume.  She looked around 60 to me.  It was not good:

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I don’t think there’s anything negative or gimmicky about tiara shopping at Dolce & Gabbana in Rome.  I was just re-watching season one while I waited for season 14 of Real Housewives of Orange County to hit Hulu, and this is exactly what they were doing from episode one—spending big and showing the amounts they spent on the screen.  I thought that was the point of the show.  If I had ten grand to drop at a store, I’d do it very happily.  I don’t begrudge them that.  I love Sutton having things sent to her hotel room, because she doesn’t want to try them on at the store.  I would have enjoyed a scene of that.  

Teddi was so Teddi at that restaurant:  “I’m just pregnant, so...”  There’s nothing wrong with what she said, it was just how she said it that made me roll my eyes. 

Aaron cares about each and every one of them???  Is that what “just as long as everyone feels good about themselves” was about?  Is Denise going to try to get anyone to think that was sincere?  She’s...not good at this.    

I echo so many of Garcelle’s sentiments with regard to Denise.  She needs to stick up for herself and address the rumors.  I think it looks really bad that it took her 24 hours to get a story even kind of straight.  Whatever she is saying now is damage control and spin.  

Denise’s saying that Brandi has said outlandish things about everyone at the table, including that she had sex with some of them, is too little, too late.  Also, saying that there are things Brandi said but she will not share, because there is a line she will not cross, is now Denise veering right into Kim and “let’s not talk about the husband” territory.  Erika got Denise right back together by saying anything Denise had heard about Erika should be brought up In the here and now.  I also don’t think Denise anticipated that Kyle and Lisa would clap back and say that Denise is deflecting and her timing is convenient.  It...wasn’t good.  I thought Denise was going to serve something back tonight and she swung and missed.  Again.  

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Denise is one of the worst liars I have ever seen. She can't lies she told just the day before. She said she didn't talk to Brandi at the dinner last week, and this week she's full of stories of all these things that Brandi supposedly told her. I don't believe for a second Brandi claimed to have had sex with Lisa. That is just Denise trying to deflect, and like Lisa said, it's not working.

Just now, RealHousewife said:

I thought I was the only fashionista who preferred to shop alone! I get bored when friends take forever in a store or two and want opinions on outfit after outfit. I also prefer people not to see me in things I know don't flatter me and I won't buy. I like to think I have good taste and don't really need opinions. I've also experienced more frugal friends shame me for spending more, and friends who don't have budgets and rarely shop judge me when I leave stores not buying anything. (I shop as a hobby. If I were to be a Kyle and never leave a store without buying anything, I'd go broke.) My motto is, if you like it, buy it!

I prefer shopping online too. I didn't even really like shopping until online shopping became a thing. 

I loved both Erika and Dorit's outfits at the final dinner for this episode, but their wigs were horrible and aged both of them. I do like how they go out all on trips with their fashions. 

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58 minutes ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

Okay, I kind of liked Dorit there when she was joking about Kyle's "relationship" with Teddi. And I almost never like Dorit. 

Dorit's pretentious. The only thing she's worried about "losing" is an opportunity to be pretentious. 

I like Dorit teasing Kyle about her and Teddi being fictional lovers too. And I like how Kyle is not offended by it. 

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Lort! I just CANNOT with these women!  All that teased up hair at dinner re: Erika & Dorito.  Seriously??  Then the whole "WHO is lying?" and "I believe Brandi"  ARF.

This show is nothing but mean old girls gone wild.  Every year, someone else's throat.   It's TIRED.  Hell, I'm tired just watching it.  Just go ahead Bravo... Give Rinna the crown and let's watch Kyle try to tear her throat out.  I DON'T CARE ANYMORE!! 

Just gonna read this! Y'all are hilarious!  Otherwise, I gotta take a crap or something on Wednesday night @ 8 pm.

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1 minute ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

Kyle brought it up to say that essentially, Joanna Krupa's attorneys, I would guess, didn't include her as a witness because she told them that she couldn't think of a time that Brandi lied. Personally, I think that is BS - I suspect that Kyle has a much narrower definition of lying than I do. 

Plus Kyle was also saying that Brandi wouldn't lie about Denise because she faced repercussions from the Joanna Krupa law suit. Personally, I think that is attributing a level of rationality to Brandi that she doesn't deserve.

It's still hard for me to believe that Denise had sex with Brandi - I 100 percent believe Denise when she says that Brandi has said she has had sex with everyone she's ever met. That totally tracks, to me. But Denise IS hiding something about her relationship with Brandi, even if it is just the fact that she didn't want the woman to know she'd been talking to Brandi. 

I've never smelled Joanna's privates, so I couldn't comment one way or another if Brandi was lying about her having a smelly puss. But I do 100% believe Brandi and Denise slept together. Brandi's been far more consistent in her stories than Denise has. Denise has been evasive and contradictory. She's now trying to deflect her alleged affair with Brandi onto Lisa. I don't recall Brandi ever saying she had sex with any of the other women in the group except for Denise. Brandi was super tight with LVP and Adrienne for a time, yet she never claimed to have had sex with them.

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18 minutes ago, LibertarianSlut said:

Dorit is not speaking Italian right.  She enunciates every word, and that’s not how the language is spoken.  It’s how a foreigner who wants everyone to know she speaks Italian speaks Italian.  It’s very try-hard.  And I have been liking Dorit this season up to this episode.  

Dorit’s Italian accent reminds me of those older (and kinda offensive) TV ads for restaurants like Olive Garden or Macaroni Grill.  Just really over the top and cheesy.

 

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