Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[Suicidy]

On 4/8/2022 at 8:26 PM, Daisy said:

airing all the dirty laundry, simply because it never occurred to either of these dimwits simply to have Nina's visitations supervised.  like that's legit ALL they have to do.

and you know. i'd say these kids will grow up and realize all of this and hate Michael but nope won't happen

I would love to see a new Quartermaine cousin introduced.  Maybe Celia had a son or something.  Who would have a great track record doing all the things SLS revives false unearned praise for.  Literally better at everything than Michael, amd with a long list of tangible accomplishments.  Even better if they cast someone who looks and is built like a Nathan.  Watching SLS get pushed out would be pure gold.

of course, this will never ever happen.

[Suicidy]

10 hours ago, statsgirl said:

 

And Carly.

It's hard to fanwank the storylines on this show because they start writing every plot "Carly's family wins".  But:

If Obrecht and Britt don't have a moral compass, neither does Willow since she got involved with Michael. In fact I'd argue that Obrecht and Britt (and Ava)  know what's right and wrong but sometimes they choose to do wrong for their own reasons and they acknowledge it when they do (I like to think of that as level 6 on Kohlberg's scale). Willow has no sense of right and wrong any more, she just parrots what Michael and Carly tell her even though we the audience see that it's lies. If Michael told her that 3 year old Wylie would be better off in military school, I can't see her fighting him for more than a few seconds.

We don't know that Nelle can't because the show never really gave her a chance to see.  She became a 2 dimensional villain so that Carly and Michael could have their meaty scenes. When Nelle was describing to Nina the house and life she wanted with Wylie, I believed that she did love him and that with someone caring about her, she could come around.

I also think that Brad and Lucas were better parents than Michael although Nelle had lots of other reasons for giving the baby to Brad. And Nelle wasn't wrong about the role she would hold if Michael got full custody of Wylie, which is that Michael and Carly would do everything they could to erase Nelle from Wylie's life.

Isn't it six months? Nina didn't show up in Nixon Falls until Michael blew up at her and refused to let her see Wylie because she made poor Willow cry by speaking the truth. Of course Carly's tribe all cry  one year! one year!

Even if it wereonly a week, it wouldn’t matter to these self absorbed nut cases.

Edited April 10, 2022 by Suicidy

[Blackie]

9 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

Harmony was on Orphan Black?! I loved that show! But I have no recollection of her or her character, which I just looked up on IMDB. 

I assume that Harmony is not long for this show.

 

Maybe she is leaving for the reboot of Orphan Black 🙏

[YaddaYadda]

11 hours ago, Daisy said:

Willow has had some mental issues (her glooming onto Wiley and refusing to acknowledge the loss of her kid). 

Mental issues for Willow? Ha! Not likely.

They'll have her say something really lame like, I was always drawn to Wylie because I thought he was my son, but then he wasn't but I was still drawn to him and now I know why. It's because he's my blood. I'm his aunt. The end. Problem solved. Willow never has to see the inside of a shrink's office or make a trip to the padded white room.

[Lugal]

11 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

Harmony was on Orphan Black?! I loved that show! But I have no recollection of her or her character, which I just looked up on IMDB.

She wasn't on a lot, but she was Angela Deangelis, Art Bell's sometimes cop partner who never was told/put the pieces together about clone club.

13 hours ago, statsgirl said:

15 hours ago, Lugal said:

Unfortunately, Willow is no Sarah Manning (and her twin wouldn't have failed to kill Michael either).

Now I need this so bad!

Edited April 10, 2022 by Lugal

[dubbel zout]

17 hours ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

You'd think after all that screeching and gnashing her teeth when Sonny 'died' , she'd be delighted to have the idiot back, but she isn't.

She was betraaaaaayyyyyyyeeeeeedddddd!

16 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

So I assume it’s really up to the family to be ethical.

Brendan isn't a medical professional, so HIPAA rules don't apply to him. Harmony has no legal leg to stand on here against Brendan, but I suppose she could try to sue Neal's estate.

13 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

17 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

In Abby's case, she was literally flattened.

While on the phone with Michael.  I'm not entirely convinced she didn't position herself underneath that crane to escape his droning on.

It's a choice I'd consider. Good lord, he's a blowhard.

It's pretty clear to me the show doesn't want to have Willow handle her grief, so they'll continue to ignore it until they need another wimmins-go-crazy-over-babies story, and then it will be a plot point. SMH.

I just realized that Harmony and Esmé wear their hair the same way, which on GH means they're related. I'm only half sarcastic.

[Blackie]

19 hours ago, Lugal said:

Oh yeah, Orphan Black!  Bonus points, Willow has a twin blonde psycho sister or "seestra"  Unfortunately, Willow is no Sarah Manning (and her twin wouldn't have failed to kill Michael either).

 

OMG you are so making me miss Orphan Black right now, I was so happy when my son texted me about the reboot/sequel whatever it is going to be. I remember when it was my dream to have Tatiana Maslany and Dominic Z. (both Canadians ) cast in a show together so of like the Swedish/Danish show The Bridge.

 

ETA: Ok I  forgot that this thought came to me in the middle of the night. Where was Avery when Ava just decided she was going to walk out on Nicholas? Is she back living with Sonny now that Sonny back on his meds and not drinking? Did they address that? Is Sonny back at the house now that Carly signed the papers? I don't think we have seen him alone there yet, he has been at gym ,Charlie's, and his office. Avery is with Nanny I guess somewhere. 

 

4 hours ago, Lugal said:

She wasn't on a lot, but she was Angela Deangelis

 

Ok now I remember her, that was a few (10?) years ago so she looks older now and I didn't place her right away.

Edited April 10, 2022 by Blackie
spelling and spacing, ETA

[Winston Wolfe]

13 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

I assume that Harmony is not long for this show. Now that Nina is Willow’s mother, Harmony has no ties to any other character. The only question is, will she go to jail for Neil’s murder or will someone (the blackmailing brother?) take her out. Too bad, Harmony was kind of growing on me, and I was not opposed to the idea of a romance with Alexis. Maybe NLG would have had enough clout to keep a gay relationship front burner and out of the closet.

Sadly, I think you're right about Harmony. The writers treat her like a disposable plot point to move other characters' S/Ls forward. Shame - the character has potential and I find her and the actor intriguing. Has anyone else noticed that in terms of style, Harmony is always the most put-together woman on the canvas, with the possible exception of Sasha? Whether she's wearing jeans or a dress Harmony always looks nice.

[Cheyanne11]

32 minutes ago, Winston Wolfe said:

Whether she's wearing jeans or a dress Harmony always looks nice.

This is true!  She always looks nicely put together. 

[JNavarro]

9 hours ago, Winston Wolfe said:

Sadly, I think you're right about Harmony. The writers treat her like a disposable plot point to move other characters' S/Ls forward. Shame - the character has potential and I find her and the actor intriguing. Has anyone else noticed that in terms of style, Harmony is always the most put-together woman on the canvas, with the possible exception of Sasha? Whether she's wearing jeans or a dress Harmony always looks nice.

 

I barely watch this show anymore, but I've always really liked the actress who plays Harmony.  She's lovely and I wind up usually sticking around and watching her scenes.  

[YaddaYadda]

18 hours ago, Winston Wolfe said:

Has anyone else noticed that in terms of style, Harmony is always the most put-together woman on the canvas, with the possible exception of Sasha? Whether she's wearing jeans or a dress Harmony always looks nice.

There are people who wear clothes and there are clothes that wear people. IC wears the clothes. And she is completely natural. I think that she has very minimal makeup on She's not wearing false overcaked with mascara eye lashes for instance. I wouldn't be surprised if she wears her own clothes. I'm not sure how wardrobe can do really well with an actress and terrible with almost everyone else.

Harmony is a mess, but I really like the actress and unless she wants out, I hope they figure out a way to keep her on.

I got caught up on the three episodes that I missed. Did the Violet and Avery little actresses get hold of a curling iron and the Willow actress? Because those "curls" are so very bad. The hair department should limit itself to a good blow dry. Let's leave the "fancy" hair for actual professionals.

The WSB is as dumb as ever. Michael is as big a weasel as he's ever been. Let's start a smear campaign against Nina in order to wash myself clean of accusations. Michael is such a standup guy! The best of us, really. Everybody is aware of Nina's sins, sea slug.

And what is Valentin of the pornstash and terrible French accent doing with the Ice Princess? That thing was sinfully ugly. If that's a diamond, then let me show you my palace. You can call me Your Grace.

Edited April 11, 2022 by YaddaYadda

[dubbel zout]

2 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

Let's leave the "fancy" hair for actual professionals.

I loved Felicia's island hairdo.

2 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

Valentin of the pornstash

It cracked me up when he ripped it off and basically tossed it in the trash. Right, no one will recognize you now! Hee.

[Cheyanne11]

2 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

Everybody is aware of Nina's sins, sea slug.

Right?  I mean, I could get Diane pointing them out in court, but does Michael expect a judge to be perusing the Invader and make his decision based on this?  Or that somehow the public will picket outside the courtroom and demand Nina be burned at the stake?  He's doing this out of spite.  Not for Wiley, that's for sure.  It's for himself and Mommy Dearest because they're two of the most vindictive assholes in PC.

[ffwbe]

What tickles me is that Wiley seems much more comfortable around Nina and Harmony, the evil grandmothers, than either of his parents and especially Carly, who the boys have always looked frightened by or ignored altogether. Now while it’s probably just because those 2 actresses work better with young kids and engage the child actors better, I take it as a meta comment on the state of his life and the people in it. 

[Auntie Velvet]

Don't forget, this group mostly liked Willow until she got completely sucked in to the Michael orbit. I have hope that she'll either completely break with Michael, or at least stand up to him after getting closer with Nina, and we'll like her again.

How often has GH (and soaps in general) done this story of female antagonists who turn out to be mother/daughter?

It IS too bad that the writers had to give up on the Carly/Nelle version of this (in order to pair Nelle with Michael), because it really would have been a nice continuation of the Bobbie/Carly story. 

 

[ffwbe]

32 minutes ago, Auntie Velvet said:

How often has GH (and soaps in general) done this story of female antagonists who turn out to be mother/daughter?

It’s definitely a well used trope. I can say one of the main differences between this one and the other GH ones is Nina dislikes Willow just as much or even more than Willow dislikes her. The Bobbie/Carly one was so stretched out that by the time it was revealed 2 years later, the impact of Carly scheming wasn’t there since Bobbie was long over Tony. I don’t recall either one really hating each other by that point or if they did, it didn’t last very long. Same with Alexis/Sam. Alexis didn’t hate Sam, she just pushed back whenever Sam attacked her so that feud was mostly one sided. Nina on the other hand, I could see her not liking this reveal because she doesn’t have a lot of respect for Willow. She was even criticizing her fairly recently to Harmony. 

Edited April 11, 2022 by ffwbe

[Daisy]

5 minutes ago, Auntie Velvet said:

It IS too bad that the writers had to give up on the Carly/Nelle version of this (in order to pair Nelle with Michael), because it really would have been a nice continuation of the Bobbie/Carly story. 

 

Nelle could have been Carly's daughter with the parent she slept with as a kid. (Reese's dad?) if i remember rightly?
 

27 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Right?  I mean, I could get Diane pointing them out in court, but does Michael expect a judge to be perusing the Invader and make his decision based on this?  Or that somehow the public will picket outside the courtroom and demand Nina be burned at the stake?  He's doing this out of spite.  Not for Wiley, that's for sure.  It's for himself and Mommy Dearest because they're two of the most vindictive assholes in PC.

like this is so stupid. First of all
A: Who is the beat reporter writing the story for? Like a 5 story spread of all the sins and tribulations by Nina Reeves? as we've seen Alexis vetos any story if its too "Old Invader", so is he writing this for a different paper? 

B: why is that better than pressing charges for this guy - or going to civil court and getting a huge lump settlement. 

C: this doesn't change the fact that this show tends to put Michael being a "Quatermaine heir" second to being "Mob boss son.". And even though Michael is in a tizzy about it now it doesn't change the fact that he is entangled w/the mob.  Dragging Nina by her heels for her sins still doesnt compare to actively having people in the mob in his son's life.  All Scotty has to do is remind people that Michael himself got shot in the head and lost a year++ of his life because he was just hanging out with Dad.. 

not to mention that D: ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS HAVE NINA AGREE TO SUPERVISED VISITATION.  like holy crap. 

not to mention - while sure you can get your pound of flesh now in regards to hurting Ava and Nina - why put it out there where Avery and Wiley can read it (one day). or what if someone decided to spill the tea  in retaliation to all that Sonny/Carly did. Like this is just a slippery (disgusting) slope  to start to slide down on - when you don't even have to. it's so stupid.  I truly hope it blows up in Millowtonin's faces

 

30 minutes ago, Auntie Velvet said:

How often has GH (and soaps in general) done this story of female antagonists who turn out to be mother/daughter?

a lot. (or i mean vice versa, theyve done it w/men too). it's a good trope when done well. I remember whenever on OLTL if Jessica (rightly) was pissed off at Natalie she would always reference the fact she was a long lost kid who only really cared about what she wanted and screw the Buchanans if it got in her way. i mean like i said. I really actually don't want Nina and Willow to become close (ever). maybe cordial. etc, but having it like Alexis/Sam 2.0 is boring. 

as to liking Willow again. - i dunno. 
i'm pretty much over her judgemental lying self. (and i get it's a soap and people have affairs etc - but i wrote many long paragraphs on why Willow and Michael's bugged me.  Even if Michael/Willow split up I doubt i'll really like the character much unless they really do some twinking. with her). 

 

 

[Cheyanne11]

4 minutes ago, Daisy said:

not to mention that D: ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS HAVE NINA AGREE TO SUPERVISED VISITATION.  like holy crap. 

He keeps claiming that Nina is being unreasonable, yet he's the one whose got his arms crossed with "angry, poopoo in my pants" face, and won't budge.  

 

[dubbel zout]

1 hour ago, Cheyanne11 said:

does Michael expect a judge to be perusing the Invader and make his decision based on this?

Of course he does. Nina is evil incarnate and must be stopped. How dare she want to see her grandson! What nerve!

If I cared enough to have a rage blackout, this would trigger it. It's SO stupid.

1 hour ago, Cheyanne11 said:

He's doing this out of spite.

That's genuinely the best of Sonny and Carly, tbh.

9 minutes ago, Daisy said:

B: why is [an exposé on Nina] better than pressing charges for this guy - or going to civil court and getting a huge lump settlement. 

Because he wants to establish himself as a reporter. I can see the Corinthii blackballing him after a court case; this way, he sort of stays on their good side. It's dumb, of course, but it fits in with the show's status quo. And they seem to want this guy to stick around to be a fly in Alexis's ointment. The actor really overplays the role, though, and I find him super annoying.

9 minutes ago, Daisy said:

not to mention that D: ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS HAVE NINA AGREE TO SUPERVISED VISITATION.  like holy crap. 

This cannot be emphasized enough. Michael wants his stupid pound of flesh from Nina, so of course it's not an option. Now I can't decide if I want the judge to fine both of these ding-dongs for wasting the court's time because this is the obvious solution, or Nina wins totally open visitation rights and Willow and Michael have to suck lemons.

9 minutes ago, Daisy said:

Even if Michael/Willow split up I doubt i'll really like the character much unless they really do some twinking. with her). 

As long as she doesn't have an endless mourning period about breaking up with Michael, I'll like her better. Of course, with my luck they'll send her down the baby-crazy-wimmins path.

[YaddaYadda]

55 minutes ago, Daisy said:

not to mention that D: ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS HAVE NINA AGREE TO SUPERVISED VISITATION.  like holy crap. 

It's amazing that Michael doesn't need a bib and a sippy cup. My two year old nephew has better comprehension skills than this mofo.

Nina isn't asking to take Wylie out of the Q estate. She wants to see her grandson with someone standing over her shoulder.

This storyline is incredibly dumb and Michael is an insufferable prick. 

[Daisy]

56 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Now I can't decide if I want the judge to fine both of these ding-dongs for wasting the court's time because this is the obvious solution, or Nina wins totally open visitation rights and Willow and Michael have to suck lemons.

to be fair. I think Nina did bring up that they could even be in the room and they were like no - so where i'm sitting, all the Judge needs to do is ask nina again "Did try to work with them to alleviate their fears?" have her say yes then fine the dimwits and give Nina open visitation rights

 

7 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

This storyline is incredibly dumb and Michael is an insufferable prick. 

very much so

[30 Helens]

2 hours ago, Auntie Velvet said:

Don't forget, this group mostly liked Willow until she got completely sucked in to the Michael orbit. I have hope that she'll either completely break with Michael, or at least stand up to him after getting closer with Nina, and we'll like her again.

Meh. I don’t know, I’ve always found Willow bland and boring, even when she was with Chase. With Michael, she’s just become petty and mean-spirited. 

While still remaining bland and boring, somehow.

[ffwbe]

26 minutes ago, 30 Helens said:

Meh. I don’t know, I’ve always found Willow bland and boring, even when she was with Chase. With Michael, she’s just become petty and mean-spirited. 

While still remaining bland and boring, somehow.

Same here. And I don’t think my dislike of Willow is due to Michael because I don’t recall hating his other LOs nor did I see a lot of negative chatter about the women themselves like I see with Willow. It was mostly about his pairings being boring and chemistry free which I always agreed with. 

[dubbel zout]

I think all of Michael's women have gotten a fair amount of heat when they've been with him.

[Daisy]

I can't really tuck into the episodes yet (sorry for people wondering where the recaps are).but i am catching some of this. 

 

Carly: i need you to help me see if there is evidence on Esme, Sam because you are screwing a cop. Stay awesome Carly.

Cops: omg what is with this ADA wanting to do her job?! it's like she's unbiased or something and just wants to put the bad people in jail (who has a case against them) and will drop it if there is no case! That cow!

Wait Harmony stabbed someone with a syringe in Alexis's house? What? Who? When? Why?!

Willow: Imma standing by MIchael because I love Wiley. . okay. so having his grandmother dragged through the mud because you and michael are judgemental nitwits is loving Wiley how? exactly?  also also.: Well you can't see Wiley but you have to prove that you love him.. by apparently not fighting to see him. Okay dimwits. 

Nina: let's compromise and lets not do this in front of a judge. Dimwits: and what? you win? we can't have that. (and see.  that's the rub. Nina will do anything to see Wiley. these two dimwits are using the kid as a weapon, yet Nina is wrong. okay there).  Also Willow: you're only tying to divide and conquer. Nina: no. I'm not doing that I'm only talking to Willow because between the two of you she's the more reasonable one. hahahahhaha.  i died. 

Also making me cackle - Nina infodumping Carly about how stupid her son and girlfriend is so she's going to court to see Wiley as much as she does. and Carly has righteous bitch face and mouths wow hahahah.  Pissed off Nina is so much better than "Martyr Nina."

someone said about People Wear Clothes or Clothes Wear People. Clothes wear Michael, and not very well. his suit is very dishelved. 

[Daisy]

oh also

Carly "Wiley doesn't miss you. he barely knows you."
do you ask him? like the kid legit ran into Nina's arms the last time we saw him on screen. And why does her grandson barely know her, Ooh, ooh I know because his parents won't let her see him.

 

Michael: whoever we get as a judge will see the real Nina Reeves. Ooh Ooh, can they see they real Michael and Carly too? that would be peaches!

Edited April 11, 2022 by Daisy

[statsgirl]

Jordan: "I may have a conflict of interest."  Me: Why? Because you believe in investigating a case before the hanging?

Ava: "If anybody is to blame for letting that alley cat into the hourse, itès not Spencer. You're looking at her."  One of the reasons Ava is such fun, besides MW's skill, is because  Ava is aware of her flaws and villainy. 

I don't get it, if Sonny is so dangerous that it's imperative that Esme stay at Wyndermere, why is everyone so cool with being best buds with him?

Are they trying to redeem Carly? Because I don't believe that she gives a fig about Trina except how it reflects on Joss.

Stop with the pity party Carly. You don't have anyone in your life because wanted to divorce Sonny. And Drew is just panting in the wings for you.

I do love Carly's shirt. Woman has money to dress.

Nikolas: "Don't let that stop you, we  Cassadines are firm believers in double standard."  LOL  Self-awareness and the ability to laugh of themselves like Ava. Very attractive.

NC is looking exceptionally pretty today.

3 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I loved Felicia's island hairdo.

It was awesome. I'd love to be able to do that.

2 hours ago, Daisy said:

like this is so stupid. First of all

A: Who is the beat reporter writing the story for? Like a 5 story spread of all the sins and tribulations by Nina Reeves? as we've seen Alexis vetos any story if its too "Old Invader", so is he writing this for a different paper? 

B: why is that better than pressing charges for this guy - or going to civil court and getting a huge lump settlement.

Smoltz seems to be interested in getting a big story more than money. If he can't get it published by the Invader, he'll go to another paper. He'd rather have the name than the money.

Stupid though because suing by Michael Corinthos would get him more fame than a byline.

2 hours ago, Daisy said:

 not to mention - while sure you can get your pound of flesh now in regards to hurting Ava and Nina - why put it out there where Avery and Wiley can read it (one day). or what if someone decided to spill the tea  in retaliation to all that Sonny/Carly did

That's a very good point. One that is sure to be beyond the brain trust that is Carly/Michael/Willow.

1 hour ago, 30 Helens said:

With Michael, she’s just become petty and mean-spirited. 

And there are more than enough mean-spirited people on this show that I have to tolerate -- Carly, Michael, Joss, Sam, Sonny pre NF, Curtis .... Oh look, they're all on the same side.

On 4/10/2022 at 11:39 AM, Lugal said:

 

Thanks @Lugal. That was exactly the scene I was thinking of. (Such beautiful choreography.)

[ffwbe]

Just now, statsgirl said:

Are they trying to redeem Carly? Because I don't believe that she gives a fig about Trina except how it reflects on Joss.

I don’t think it’s about redemption. More like making her look good in this story. Let’s be honest, if she were written true to character and there was mounting evidence against Trina, she would be the first person at the PCPD screaming about how Trina needs to pay and Joss is being snowed by her.

I’ll also add that I didn’t get the point of her asking Sam to find out what the police know. Since Trina was already charged with the crime, the DA would need to turn over any evidence to her defense team so it’s not a big secret to those who need to know and wouldn’t it make more sense for idk, Trina’s cop father to look into this? Or even Trina mother’s bf who was a PI? What was Carly reasoning for needing that information other than being nosey and the people who have it probably wouldn’t give it to her.

[statsgirl]

12 minutes ago, Daisy said:

Carly "Wiley doesn't miss you. he barely knows you."
do you ask him? like the kid legit ran into Nina's arms the last time we saw him on screen. And why does her grandson barely know her, Ooh, ooh I know because his parents won't let her see him.

Michael: whoever we get as a judge will see the real Nina Reeves. Ooh Ooh, can they see they real Michael and Carly too? that would be peaches!

I would think that Michael threatening that the judge will see "the real Nina Reeves" is a subtle manipulation  (because who would want a judge to see who we think of as our real selves) except it's Michael.

Carly: "You're not doing it for Wylie you're doing it for yourself.:  Except Nina just said that it's better for Wylie to have both his grandmothers in his life, because more love means a ebtter life.

[YaddaYadda]

2 minutes ago, ffwbe said:

I’ll also add that I didn’t get the point of her asking Sam to find out what the police know. Since Trina was already charged with the crime, the DA would need to turn over any evidence to her defense team so it’s not a big secret to those who need to know and wouldn’t it make more sense for idk, Trina’s cop father to look into this? Or even Trina mother’s bf who was a PI? What was Carly reasoning for needing that information other than being nosey and the people who have it probably wouldn’t give it to her.

The scene had no point. They just needed Carly on screen and that's how they decided to do it. 

[statsgirl]

2 minutes ago, ffwbe said:

I’ll also add that I didn’t get the point of her asking Sam to find out what the police know.

When Carly said "You know who she is going to come after next" I got the feeling that she thought that Esme is going to come after Mini-Carly next (which Esme totally should IMO). But then the next scene just dropped it in favour of pizza. You know that Carly thinks that everyone is incompetent other than her mobby friends.

BTW, what are Danny and Scout having for dinner while their mother goes out with Dante?

[ffwbe]

I liked Alexis trying to get through to Nikolas but weren’t the parallels she drew between Nik/Spencer and Nik and his father incorrect? Stavros didn’t raise Nikolas, Stefan did, and what’s weirder is Stefan did do those things so she could have said Stefan instead and been accurate. He did get controlling at points and eventually drove Nikolas away

[Cheyanne11]

32 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Carly: "You're not doing it for Wylie you're doing it for yourself.:  Except Nina just said that it's better for Wylie to have both his grandmothers in his life, because more love means a ebtter life.

Rich, coming from Ms. "It's All About Me and Mine."  So what if Nina is also doing it because she wants to be in Wiley's life?  There's not a good reason she can't see him, as "I don't like her" isn't valid.  

[perkie1968]

53 minutes ago, Daisy said:

Wait Harmony stabbed someone with a syringe in Alexis's house? What? Who? When? Why?!

Harmony is allegedly the one who stabbed and killed Neil while he lay sleeping beside Alexis.  That's why she knew where things were in the house before she moved in.  

36 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Carly: "You're not doing it for Wylie you're doing it for yourself.

I don't understand the logic of this question.  'doing it for yourself'??  She wants a relationship with her grandson because he's her grandson and because he's the only link to her daughter, so yes, she's doing it for herself.  What would doing it for Wylie look like, other than him having his grandmother in his life, which leads us back around to 'doing it for yourself'.   I really need a writer to explain the logic of this sentence to me.  

[perkie1968]

48 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Jordan: "I may have a conflict of interest." 

Eh, I thought they were going a different route.  Trina is Portia's daughter.  Portia is Curtis' live in girlfriend.  Curtis is Jordan's ex.  Jordan is still in lurve with Curtis, ergo she can't stay on the case.  

[Daisy]

4 minutes ago, perkie1968 said:

Harmony is allegedly the one who stabbed and killed Neil while he lay sleeping beside Alexis.  That's why she knew where things were in the house before she moved in.  

Oh for God sakes. why? they didn't have to make her a murderer. (also this really makes the whole Harmony/Alexis friendship kinda tainted now :( )
also geeze.  that is poopy :(
also also, geeze, Alexis is really a heavy sleeper

9 minutes ago, perkie1968 said:

I don't understand the logic of this question.  'doing it for yourself'??  She wants a relationship with her grandson because he's her grandson and because he's the only link to her daughter, so yes, she's doing it for herself.  What would doing it for Wylie look like, other than him having his grandmother in his life, which leads us back around to 'doing it for yourself'.   I really need a writer to explain the logic of this sentence to me.  

I never really get it either - because its like one of those things that we say - but it's like.. well duh. of course (it's sort of my issue of "wanting to have your cake and eat it too. WHO doesn't want to eat their cake if they have it?!

they are just stressing  (stupidly) that if Nina really cared about Wiley, that she wouldn't take them to court and make them do all these bad things they are gonna do because they will of course ALLOW Nina to have peanuts once they finish deleting Nelle and her out of their lives and how can Nina not be okay with this? But because Nina wants to have her way and be a part of the kid's life she's not "thinking of the best interest of the kid," she's only doing it so she can feel better.

which doesn't make sense but whatever. nothing these ding dongs do ever makes sense. 

What is missing IMO - is Monica's pov. Because she's lived this already and sure, Michael has some kind of relationship with her now but like what did it cost to get to that point? and Alan was already dead before Michael decided to actually bless the Q's with his presence.  it's all well and good to be all "well wait untiil the kid is "22" (the age Michael decided he was gonna tell him about Nelle),  - but what if Nina dies before then?  then your petty selfishness cost Wiley that relationship. 

[YaddaYadda]

Just now, Daisy said:

Oh for God sakes. why? they didn't have to make her a murderer. (also this really makes the whole Harmony/Alexis friendship kinda tainted now :( )

She did it because Neil was her therapist and he knew all about her Willow secret because she told him.

Of course everything is tainted between Alexis and Harmony. I think Harmony genuinely likes Alexis, but Alexis also completely spiraled out following Neil's death and that can be laid directly at Harmony's doorstep.

[Daisy]

Just now, YaddaYadda said:

She did it because Neil was her therapist and he knew all about her Willow secret because she told him.

Of course everything is tainted between Alexis and Harmony. I think Harmony genuinely likes Alexis, but Alexis also completely spiraled out following Neil's death and that can be laid directly at Harmony's doorstep.

and now we're gonna be getting a huge amount of I Told You So's from the peanut gallery :(

what a way to ruin a really great friendship that was forming. 

[dubbel zout]

1 hour ago, Daisy said:

Pissed off Nina is so much better than "Martyr Nina."

Anyone who plays the martyr is a bore. Martyr Trina is working my last nerve. Martyr Esmé is intolerable, even if it's fake.

"If the evidence points toward their guilt, they're guilty." Well, yeah. It's not the DA's job to prove a defendant is not guilty, Jordan!

1 hour ago, ffwbe said:

Let’s be honest, if she were written true to character and there was mounting evidence against Trina, she would be the first person at the PCPD screaming about how Trina needs to pay and Joss is being snowed by her.

I don't agree. Carly is a selfish, self-involved hypocrite who puts her needs first, no doubt. But Carly knows who Esmé is, and she isn't going to want a friend of her daughter's to go to jail for something she didn't do.

Brendan bores me. Speed this up. Why does he think Harmony can pay anything? What a stupid blackmailer. He should go ahead and spill that Willow isn't Harmony's daughter. That's going to cost her more than any payment.

That was a nice soapy look between Spencer and Trina as the cliffhanger.

[ulkis]

Willow would make an ideal lead for the cute girl in a 2 hour movie. Anything more than that no thank you. I don't think Willow is acting snottier or anything like that. She's the same bland flawless character she's always been.

[statsgirl]

KM did a good job when Willow found out that her baby had died, so it seems that there is potential for the actress/character and I would love to see her in real therapy about losing her baby. Every woman becomes bland when paired with Michael.

43 minutes ago, perkie1968 said:

Eh, I thought they were going a different route.  Trina is Portia's daughter.  Portia is Curtis' live in girlfriend.  Curtis is Jordan's ex.  Jordan is still in lurve with Curtis, ergo she can't stay on the case.  

That would be the logical way of thinking about it but this is a show where Sonny and Carly are the good guys and Michael is the romantic lead. So instead Jordan is concerned that she believes the accused is innocent.🙄

48 minutes ago, perkie1968 said:

I don't understand the logic of this question.  'doing it for yourself'??  She wants a relationship with her grandson because he's her grandson and because he's the only link to her daughter, so yes, she's doing it for herself. 

Michael, Carly and their pet parrot Willow believe that Nina is so toxic that even being in her presence will traumatize Wylie.  That is why it is selfish of her to want to see Wylie, it will hurt him no matter how she is.

[perkie1968]

15 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Michael, Carly and their pet parrot Willow believe that Nina is so toxic that even being in her presence will traumatize Wylie.  That is why it is selfish of her to want to see Wylie, it will hurt him no matter how she is.

Ok,.  Got it.  Thank you!!  Ironically, wylie hasn't died yet from any of the previous exposure to NIna, but ok.  

[tveyeonyou]

On 4/10/2022 at 11:39 AM, Lugal said:

She wasn't on a lot, but she was Angela Deangelis, Art Bell's sometimes cop partner who never was told/put the pieces together about clone club.

I never realized that was Harmony! Also, we all need to see Helena as often as possible.

Man, I loved Orphan Black! Tatiana is <chef's kiss> 

[lala2]

5 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

Nina isn't asking to take Wylie out of the Q estate. She wants to see her grandson with someone standing over her shoulder.

This storyline is incredibly dumb and Michael is an insufferable prick. 

This entire arc only works if you buy into the narrative that Nina's mere presence would cause Wiley harm. I don't, and I never did. Heck, I think Nelle could have seen the brat too. That said, some viewers have definitely drunk that particular flavor of Kool-Aid and believe Nina is not good for Wiley in any way, shape, or form. 

One . . . . I couldn't care less about Wiley. The kid could die for all I care. And two . . . even if I did care about him, I still wouldn't have an issue w/Nina seeing him. She's not going to do anything to hurt that stupid kid. The idea that she would is ridiculous. Nina tried to arrange for supervised visits (I haven't seen today's episode but she tried before), and they still shot her down. Millow and Carly couldn't care less about Wiley and what he needs. They only care about themselves, which is why I hope Nina wins. I hope she get unsupervised weekend visits! That would serve Millow and Carly right!! And I'm talking about the entire weekend - Friday to Sunday! LOL! That would make my day! 

That said, if this is being done just so Millow can win again like they did w/Nelle, I'd rather skip it entirely. Do something interesting or don't waste the viewers' time.   

Edited April 11, 2022 by lala2

[Blackie]

So glad Trina found her brain today.

[Daisy]

16 minutes ago, lala2 said:

This entire arc only works if you buy into that narrative that Nina's mere presence would cause Wiley harm. I don't, and I never did. Heck, I think Nelle could have seen the brat too. That said, some viewers have definitely drunk that particular flavor of Kool-Aid and believe Nina is not good for Wiley in any way, shape, or form. 

One . . . . I couldn't care less about Wiley. The kid could die for all I care. And two . . . even if I did care about him, I still wouldn't have an issue w/Nina seeing him. She's not going to do anything to hurt that stupid kid. The idea that she would is ridiculous. Nina tried to arrange for supervised visits (I haven't seen today's episode but she tried before), and they still shot her down. Millow and Carly couldn't care less about Wiley and what he needs. They only care about themselves, which is why I hope Nina wins. I hope she get unsupervised weekend visits! That would serve Millow and Carly right!! And I'm talking about the entire weekend - Friday to Sunday! LOL! That would make my day! 

That said, if this is being done just so Millow can win again like they did w/Nelle, I'd rather skip it entirely. Do something interesting or don't waste the viewers' time.   

They never do

I mean they have a two year old switch parents - which I'm sorry. I've baby sat many a kid. most kids even knowing their parents are coming back cry and whine for their parents for a while. Wiley goes to Michael and nothing, not even a mention of "we had a rough night. he kept calling out for Brad and Lucas."

We clearly have seen this kid  be excited when he sees Nina, we've seen the kid call her name and run up to her and wants to spend time with her and yet carly is all "he does't miss you he doens't know who you are" WHICH SHOULD BE A PROBLEM. like the fact that this is said as a weapon  (and you know even if willow brings this up tomorrow Michael is gonna shoot it down) - not to mention. "gee. he doesn't ask for you this is going to hurt him." HOW? HOW IS KNOWING NINA GONNA HURT HIM boo ho someone else to spoil this kid. 

honestly this would have such a better angle to it if they were fighting against Nina's mental health issues or she had a mental health episode when watching the kid or even sot of like a Kramer vs Kramer that she was watching him and he hurt himself at the park. something where the kid was actually in danger. vs Michael and Willow screaming how Nina' sleeping with his grandfather and ruining Michael's parents marriage and then not telling Willow that's what happened is going to damage this kid for life immemorial. 

[Liddy52]

Can someone explain to me what the evidence was that the forensic lab sent to Jordan that was so incriminating against Trina. I evidently wasn't paying close enough attention and missed out on that part. I was wondering if it might somehow disappear or something with rookie cop handling it. Especially since he seems to sympathize with Trina.

Edited April 12, 2022 by Liddy52

[YaddaYadda]

15 minutes ago, Liddy52 said:

Can so energy explain to me what the evidence was that the forensic lab sent to Jordan that was so incriminating against Trina. I evidently wasn't paying close enough attention and missed out on that part. I was wondering if it might somehow disappear or something with rookie cop handling it. Especially since he seems to sympathize with Trina.

There was something about how her prints were all over the phone. 

There was a purchase from the phone for something from that made up artist Trina loves, using Trina's own credit card.

That's what I remember. I don't know if there's more.

[ciarra]

3 hours ago, Daisy said:

also also, geeze, Alexis is really a heavy sleeper

I thought she was in the potty at the time?

[30 Helens]

4 hours ago, statsgirl said:

One of the reasons Ava is such fun, besides MW's skill, is because  Ava is aware of her flaws and villainy. 

And embraces them. When Ava starts scheming, she rarely sees it as something she’s forced into. It’s just the smart choice. (Have I mentioned I love her?)

3 hours ago, perkie1968 said:

Harmony is allegedly the one who stabbed and killed Neil while he lay sleeping beside Alexis.  That's why she knew where things were in the house before she moved in.  

Which made the whole thing doubly stupid. Who sneaks into a house to kill someone, then hangs around to snoop in the cupboards? Plus the cleaning supplies were stored in the basement, 2 floors down from the bedroom. Did Harmony stop in the kitchen for a snack? Look under the sofa cushions for spare change?

It would have made more sense to just have her guess correctly.