Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[Daisy]

5 hours ago, CeChase said:

Well, the way I feel is that expecting a man to put you before his wife is incel behavior.  Your loyality is to your spouse.  Period.  Period.  I think Dante is acting like a jackass.  I really can't stand him. 

i don't know what incel behaviour means. but other than that, that's what I agree with. I mean heck, even on Law & Order SVU Eliliot sometimes put Kathy ahead of Olivia lmao

 

1 hour ago, Bringonthedrama said:

That's different from Chase knowing Dante has a child walking around in the world somewhere and keeping silent because his wife doesn't want to own up to the fact she's been lying for a long time.

at the end of the day, that's where it stops. His wife.
Chase asked BLQ to tell, I'm guess she said no, (for reasons) but the thing is again with something like this, it was BLQ's story to tell. she wasn't using the kid as a weapon or trying to manipulate people in her bed, she didn't want to give Dante the same pain etc she had lived with forever. and respect what she had decided what was best for her kid - not knowing who the parents were.   

I personally believe that Dante should have known when the stick turned blue, and I don't agree BLQ should have kept it secret. but considering Olivia's first reaction of "We coulda raised it." chances are regardless of what Dante would have wanted there was that pressure of "well maybe.." and I can understand  BLQ's fear of that being a very big possibility so ultimately again I respect why she did what she did. 

the way i look at it is this:  Cody knew there was a baby when he dropped her off. He didn't think to go to Dante so Dante could like grab another bus and talk to her? He just assumed the baby was aborted? that's fair. but to be also dead ass fair, BLQ and Chase has no idea where said kid was. for all THEY knew the kid could easily have been dead. so no. Chase didn't know there was a living breathing Dante spawn walking around living the best life. all Chase knew that his wife and best friend had a kid who was given up for adoption and it was hurting his wife something fierce. 

and again using Find Your Ancestry would have gone 100 percent against the wishes of what BLQ thought was a closed adoption, respecting the wishes of the parents that adopted the kid and not wanting to disrupt the kids life. that is a lot of oars in the water there. 

 

1 hour ago, Sake614 said:

They didn’t see each other at school. They didn’t see each other for years  after she left camp. I doubt she would’ve been able to keep it a secret if she saw him every day.

she went "on tour" i think. 

[dubbel zout]

15 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Lulu needs to SHUT UP.  God, she's insufferable.  

Even when she admitted she was sorry for blowing up Gio's life—and she could barely admit that—she insisted it was still the right thing to do. She can't see beyond her own selfish reasons.

13 hours ago, driver18 said:

The key point I was making that IF he chose to do sovthen he should have removed himself as Dante's partner since, understandably, he couldn't be honest with him.

How would he explain this to Dante? I'm genuinely curious, because at that point, Chase and Dante were still good friends as well as partners. Wouldn't giving Dante some bogus excuse be just another lie?

I also think that Chase not telling Dante that he got Brook Lynn pregnant isn't something that should affect their working relationship. I know Dante feels betrayed, but to jump to not trusting Chase to have his back at work feels extreme. It's like @JMO wrote, maybe Dante feels that Chase is the safest person to put his anger on right now. It's not fair to Chase, but I think he'd understand. He's a decent guy, as is Dante. But good lord, Dante, talk to Brook Lynn, why don't you!

[Winston Wolfe]

Thanks to my fellow posters for pointing out how versatile Billy Miller was as an actor. I only knew him from Y&R and GH, where he played basically decent guys. But then you have JL over on BTG playing a bad guy, so there's that...

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

17 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Lulu needs to SHUT UP.  God, she's insufferable.  

Even when she admitted she was sorry for blowing up Gio's life—and she could barely admit that—she insisted it was still the right thing to do. She can't see beyond her own selfish reasons.

Lesley Lu is demonstrating some of the negative personality traits she and Lucky seem to share with their father. Both can be overly judgmental and driven by a misguided sense of morality, often unable to acknowledge where they are clearly wrong. And I say that as someone who loves JJ's Lucky. 

Speaking of JJ, does anyone know if he gave a reason for leaving? Was it lack of a real S/L? When they didn't put Lucky back on the PCPD or have him accept Brennan's offer to join the WSB, I figured that he wouldn't stick around.

Also, even though you're back on the Barge,@GHScorpiosRule, I hope you read this - we both share an appreciation of JJ's and TC's co-written scene that ended with Nik saying, "Who says I haven't been using an accent the entire time? Farewell, Brother." 

I hope you come back soon @GHScorpiosRule. I often enjoy your posts, and you bring a lot to these boards.

Edited Saturday at 05:29 PM by Winston Wolfe

[Bringonthedrama]

16 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Lulu needs to SHUT UP.  God, she's insufferable.  

It's interesting to see others' interpretations. I thought Brook Lynn and Lulu were both being insufferable and that Maxie should have either a) kicked them both out of her home or b) locked them in a room together.

2 hours ago, Sake614 said:They didn’t see each other at school. They didn’t see each other for years  after she left camp. I doubt she would’ve been able to keep it a secret if she saw him every day.

I distinctly remember that Brook Lynn said she went on tour with her mother and gave birth. When she went back to school that fall, it was like nothing ever happened between them. Dante was dating someone and she did the same. 

1 hour ago, Daisy said:

ishe didn't want to give Dante the same pain etc she had lived with forever. and respect what she had decided what was best for her kid - not knowing who the parents were.   

 BLQ's fear of that being a very big possibility so ultimately again I respect why she did what she did. 

the way i look at it is this:  Cody knew there was a baby when he dropped her off. He didn't think to go to Dante so Dante could like grab another bus and talk to her? He just assumed the baby was aborted? that's fair.

it was hurting his wife something fierce. 

 the parents that adopted the kid and not wanting to disrupt the kids life. 

She said she had already made up her mind to give the baby up without telling anyone, including him. What her and her nitwit mother needed to not ignore is that any adoption would not be legal unless the biological father gave up his legal rights to the child. To avoid telling Dante the truth, no father was named and Gio's birth certificate was forged. 

When Brook Lynn was giving her reason "didn't want Dante to live with the pain too" it sounded like that's what she told herself to avoid having to deal with blowback from him or consequences like him trying to find out what happened to the baby when she felt neither of them had the right to know once she made the decision for both of them. She knew he wouldn't respect that she had lied to him and betrayed their friendship. 

Cody explained himself, that he was a stupid kid dealing with a very scared Brook Lynn who begged him to keep the secret.  It's understandable that at the time he didn't want to upset Brook Lynn more. 

Chase needs to believe this was a terrible heavy emotional burden for his wife.  Otherwise, what does it say about her that in addition to other ugly scheming she's done including trying to rape Dante for money, all the while claiming to be his friend, she had his baby and gave the baby up then continued to lie to him for 22 years? In their not distant past, Brook Lynn lied to and stood in the way of Chase going back to the police career he loves because she wanted them focused on a music career together. Considering she did this to Dante, a good guy she's known her whole life, it's entirely possible she could betray Chase in a bigger way if she doesn't get what she wants. It baffles me that when he talks about how great Brook Lynn was with Bailey Lou, he totally glazes over the part that the Bailey Lou protection scheme started out with Brook Lynn wanting to use a baby to manipulate Valentin so she could fix her mistakes.

The last reason Brook Lynn gave isn't valid to me because as an adult she has to know that the way she and her mother went about handling things, is not a valid, legal adoption.

[driver18]

It's not that Chase shouldn't have chosen Dante over his wife, of course he should not have. It's that Chase continued to be Dante's partner in a relationship that requires absolute trust. Since Chase could no longer do that, understandably, he should have removed himself from that relationship with Dante because his wife comes first. Come up with some excuse, any excuse to explain it. 

That is the issue.

As for Cody knowing anything about this vs. Chase. Cody is not Dante's police partner. Their relationship will not put them in situations potentially of life and death circumstances where they must trust each other 100%.

[jsbt]

I'm late on the Drew Discourse but I'll just say I hope they don't make him into Shiloh or any of the other online theories out there. It would be reverting to tacky type for this show vs. letting Drew be what he is, a classic, down to earth soap type this show desperately needs more of: The local schemer/cad/villain who is not a supervillain, rapist or serial killer. Those are the kind that can last.

Drew's change last year made sense to me: Not only did they have a very different actor in Cameron Mathison, but they needed to more clearly differentiate him from Jason. Billy Miller was talented but the fact (and tragedy) is that his Drew was never considered more than a spare part once they brought Steve back; he was not prioritized in story in any way after that, and Cameron's Drew was also a mere placeholder for Jason in Carly, etc.'s life until the brief Patrick Mulcahey era last year.

What's more, Drew as a character had been a total blank slate, a means to an end. His strongest relationships in the past were with Jason's immediate family - Jake, Monica, etc. The Jake relationship was largely ignored after Steve's return because it didn't prioritize Jason (except for one good set of scenes where Hudson West's Jake broke down after Drew was attacked in prison), and Monica became a sad absent issue. Drew's past and his memories of his life before PC are vague at best if not totally gone. He was programmed to be a chameleon. Like the Two Todds storyline from OLTL which GH blatantly ripped off (from its own creative team) to explain the two Jasons, it makes sense that this adrift Drew would then shed his previous persona and try his hand at something new. Billy Miller's Drew did have an acumen for business and gladhanding, so it made sense to move Drew into that arena. The show needed more scheming tycoons, and Drew was a handsome one who could go various places as a black, white or gray character.

I think Cameron Mathison has been consistently underrated by fans over the last year because people seem to think he is taking all this in earnest and thinks Drew is the good guy - he clearly doesn't IMO - or that he's somehow not acting the part. He absolutely is, and he's been playing cads or playful schemers since his early AMC days, before Ryan Lavery became unbearable and back when he was the most popular new lead on that show. There are definitely things CM is not good at that I couldn't stand at AMC or in his recent years as Drew, but this stuff is totally in his wheelhouse and he commits to it.

I think it was better when Patrick Mulcahey was here, because that Drew Q actually did have layers, and was a more gray character who we were clearly meant to see get taken down a peg by Nina and vice versa as they seemed to be moving to a genuine love connection (with the complication of his dalliance with her daughter, a la Mulcahey's famous work at Guiding Light with another caddish politician). They definitely presented Drew as smug and cocky last spring and summer, but he and Nina hooked into each other and were softening up towards each other as well as humbling each other. That's organic to me, and it was the first time I'd ever been legit interested in both characters at the same time.

Whereas once Mulcahey quit/was fired, Drew became a total heel and black hat because the current team has no real use for him or Nina as rootable leads. They are plot movers. I think CM still makes a great villain because Drew is not a psycho, not a cult leader, not a terrorist - he's just a scheming, powerful dick. Nothing he's done requires him to be swept from the canvas to maintain plausible reality. He's not Cyrus the mad bomber or Sidwell the jewel baron, he's not a Cassadine. He's just a dick, and a skilled one. That can run for quite awhile, and this whole drama with Willow, Michael, etc. is the most interesting, compulsively watchable and yes, organically soapy story this show has had in years. (And yes, we have Mulcahey to thank for its genesis again.) So while I lament the loss of a more complicated Drew - he's become basically the new A.J.* - I do think he's deeply enjoyable to watch as the bad guy.

(* - Speaking of, Tracy dragging Sean Kanan's A.J. out of mothballs as a surprise weapon against Drew - another relative she once had no use for - would be a trip, just saying.)

Edited Saturday at 09:50 PM by jsbt

[dubbel zout]

57 minutes ago, jsbt said:

I do think he's deeply enjoyable to watch as the bad guy.

Drew would be even more deeply enjoyable to watch as the bad guy if he were going up against someone who would actually lose. Trying to best Michael will always be a lost cause. Scheming against Portia and Curtis was fun, but that part of the story lost steam after Drew never followed through on any of his threats against her.

Maybe Drew can join forces with the acting DA and put a decent scare into Sonny. The show is inching toward the idea of Sonny not being in the mob anymore—this could be what cuts him loose. Ms. Wu can take over Sonny's territory and she can be an evil specter—always in the air but rarely seen.

Once Sonny is out of the mob, Drew can go after his legit businesses. We've only heard about the coffee importing, but is anyone going to care if there are new ones? 

And what about the Cassadine estate? It's riipe for the picking, what with Alexis inexplicably trying to save her nitwit daughter from herself. Let Drew make some sort of corporate raider move on those holdings.

I know the show hates business stories, but I've had all of the baby, kid, and custody cases I can take. Try something else, Show. I beg you.

[Sake614]

I think CamMat absolutely believes Drew is or at least was a good guy. He proudly declared Drillow was going to be the next super couple, ala Luke & Laura.  And that was before Drew went completely off the rails. 

I’m all for a soap villain who isn’t OMG teh evil but Drew isn’t it, and CamMat is either a mediocre adtor or leaning into all the worst acting choices. Maybe both. Either way, I want him gone. Like last year.

[jsbt]

40 minutes ago, Sake614 said:

I think CamMat absolutely believes Drew is or at least was a good guy. He proudly declared Drillow was going to be the next super couple, ala Luke & Laura.  And that was before Drew went completely off the rails. 

Again, IIRC that comment was taken wildly out of context. He was saying he enjoyed playing the bad guy and the intense audience reaction, but playfully was being devil's advocate at the end of the interview and said 'you never know, things could change and they could be the next supercouple/Luke and Laura!' He was just hedging his bets, like they all do in soap Q&As, and trying to keep his job. And they were absolutely being played as the baddies by then.

People think Cameron is Drew and is just clueless. He's not.

Edited Saturday at 11:43 PM by jsbt

[Cheyanne11]

Here is CM's comment: “I think it’s like a super couple in the making. I know everybody’s going to think I’m nuts, but just wait. You guys are going to love Willow and Drew, eventually.”

 

[Sake614]

33 minutes ago, jsbt said:

People think Cameron is Drew and is just clueless. He's not

Some people believe all soap actors are their characters. I’ve seen it first hand and it’s frightening. I’ve seen actors literally tell these people they are NOT their characters. I know CM isn’t Drew. I just don’t think he’s a great actor and it’s long past time for Drew to disappear. 

Just now, Cheyanne11 said:

You guys are going to love Willow and Drew, eventually

I’m still waiting for that to happen 🤣

[statsgirl]

On the Gio storyline:

Maxie deliberately set up Lulu and Brook Lynn to talk and fight it out so she deserves whatever fighting there is in her home.

The blame pie for keeping quiet is complex and reading the posts here, everyone seems to cut it differently. I personally think that Cody keeping quiet for 22 years, not telling Dante that Brook Lynn was pregnant is worse than Chase keeping his wife's secret even if only to warn Dante to be more careful next time and not get his next girlfriend pregnant.  When Lulu told Cody that Brook Lynn had had the baby, that it was a boy and that she was trying to find him, Cody absolutely should have told Dante then so that he could make his own decisions (at last) about what he wants to do. For me keeping that secret is much worse than Chase keeping Brook Lynn's so it really does feel that Dante is deflecting his anger on to Chase instead of where it should go.

I also blame Lulu for going Girl Detective so that she could prove what an awful person Brook Lynn is instead of telling Dante right away again so that he could make his own decisions. But she wanted to look like Dante's hero, 'See, I'm the only one who loves you and that you can trust.'

Under New York law, an unwed father has to either claim the child or show an interest in the pregnancy in order to have a say in whether the child is adopted. Since Dante never checked on Brook Lynn after she left camp, it can be argued that he had no say in whether the baby was adopted.

[Artsda]

He didn't know there was a child, so Brooklyn and her mother under law should have told him, they knew how to find him and they purposely ran away and lying for decades. 

Gio doesn't even know his real birthday that's how vile this is. He has a false birth certificate. But they obviously have no concern for law especially Lois. But she has a lot to say when it comes to the Quartermaines. 

22 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

also blame Lulu for going Girl Detective so that she could prove what an awful person Brook Lynn is instead of telling Dante right away again so that he could make his own decisions

She's damned both ways. She should and wanted Dante to know right away, she got threatened by Chase, Brooklyn accused her of torture. Lol and Brooklyn used her abortion to convince her to not tell Dante which Lulu agreed then, so she honored Brooklyn request and now Brooklyn wants her to apologize. 

22 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

When Lulu told Cody that Brook Lynn had had the baby, that it was a boy and that she was trying to find him, Cody absolutely should have told Dante then so that he could make his own decisions

She wasn't trying to find the child, she wasn't doing anything until Lois went crazy on Dante at the hospital and Lulu had half a brain to put it together.

She and Cody were trying to find out if the child was Gio. Gio who was living down the hall from Rocco, Tracy and Dante. Living in the Quartermaine house while nobody knew he was one.  Gio who was in plain site of all his family members. 

Maybe Brooklyn's issue with Lulu  is she lived her her mother and grandmother for decades and Gio involved, yet she saw nothing she didn't put anything together? Yet Lulu did.

Edited Sunday at 01:44 AM by Artsda

[Sake614]

30 minutes ago, Artsda said:

Maybe Brooklyn's issue with Lulu  is she lived her her mother and grandmother for decades and Gio involved, yet she saw nothing she didn't put anything together? Yet Lulu did.

What was there for BL to see? How could she have known Gio was her son? Was she supposed to be psychic?

[JMO]

I can't even think about the Gio story without getting dizzy, which is what happens when the retconning is too blatant and manufactured.

Why didn't Cody tell Dante that Brook Lynn had been pregnant all those years ago?  Because he only found out a couple of weeks ago that he knew that 22 years ago.  Why didn't Brook Lynn tell Dante as soon as she knew she was pregnant?  Why didn't she do it when she got close enough to try to seduce him away from Lulu?  Because she only found out a couple of months ago that she'd been pregnant 22 years ago. 

I can better relate to Chase and Lulu, because they're reacting in real time, and not after having had 22 years of amnesia.  

I know, it's a soap, and it's the only current story that interests me.  But it still makes me dizzy. 

[Artsda]

22 minutes ago, Sake614 said:

What was there for BL to see? How could she have known Gio was her son? Was she supposed to be psychic?

How did Lulu figure it out? With eyes and ears. She knew as much as Brooklyn at that point. 

Brooklyn had decades of interactions between them all. How her mother and Gloria interacted with him, how they handled Carmella death, everything with Gio after that.  I highly doubt Lulu figured it out in seconds after one interaction, there had to be more that Brooklyn just didn't put pieces together. 

 

[DanaK]

4 minutes ago, Artsda said:

How did Lulu figure it out? With eyes and ears. She knew as much as Brooklyn at that point. 

Brooklyn had decades of interactions between them all. How her mother and Gloria interacted with him, how they handled Carmella death, everything with Gio after that.  I highly doubt Lulu figured it out in seconds after one interaction, there had to be more that Brooklyn just didn't put pieces together. 

 

She was also a fresh pair of eyes and knew the baby was male (which Brooklyn didn’t know) at that point. She saw Lois acting proprietary towards Geo when Dante was bawling him out and it made her suspicious 

[statsgirl]

21 minutes ago, DanaK said:

She was also a fresh pair of eyes and knew the baby was male 

Lulu had three advantages over over Brook Lynn:

• She knew that the baby was male;
• She knew that Lois knew where the child was and he was close enough that she was afraid that he would be discovered hence going to see a lawyer now 22 years later;
• She was driven to find the child for [insert reason] whereas Brook Lynn deliberately wanted to wait until the child looked for her him/herself.

[jsbt]

3 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Here is CM's comment: “I think it’s like a super couple in the making. I know everybody’s going to think I’m nuts, but just wait. You guys are going to love Willow and Drew, eventually.”

He's said a couple things a few different ways tbh. Given his reaction to the story overall over the last year, I think he was mostly just being goofing off there (hence 'everybody's going to think I'm nuts'). And trying to keep his job! He knows what the story is and he knows how Drew comes across.

[ulkis]

On 6/13/2025 at 11:49 PM, ciarra said:

Why should Dante get a free pass for not bothering with BL after they had sex.  I'll bet they had phones back then.  

In the year 2003? Surely you jest. Why, I remember riding my horse and buggy* to the ye old AOL saloon to trade in my cheese and pickles to use that there internet for two hours or so. A telephone woulda cost me another barrel of codfish!

*Just kidding. I was scared of horses! I skated to the saloon!

Edited Sunday at 07:32 AM by ulkis

[Artsda]

11 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Lulu had three advantages over over Brook Lynn:

• She knew that the baby was male;
• She knew that Lois knew where the child was and he was close enough that she was afraid that he would be discovered hence going to see a lawyer now 22 years later;
• She was driven to find the child for [insert reason] whereas Brook Lynn deliberately wanted to wait until the child looked for her him/herself.

1. Lulu told Brooklyn it was boy in March.  Lulu saw the interaction with Lois in May. 2 months later of Brooklyn knowing she had a boy. Brooklyn had same information as Lulu.

2. Brooklyn knew her mother handled the adoption for her, so she knew Lois had information.  You don't just do adoptions without paperwork, did Brooklyn ask to sign anything? Did she care to figure out anything? 

3. Brooklyn wanted to wait yes, for a child who didn't know who was adopted to find her. Who  was living down the hall. She had no intention to find Gio. Which is making her cries that Lulu ruined her relationship with her son ridiculous.  Brooklyn was basing her facts on lies from her mother, not Lulu. 

 

[Lugal]

11 hours ago, jsbt said:

He's said a couple things a few different ways tbh. Given his reaction to the story overall over the last year, I think he was mostly just being goofing off there (hence 'everybody's going to think I'm nuts'). And trying to keep his job! He knows what the story is and he knows how Drew comes across.

He's always struck me as a Company Man.  And there's nothing wrong with that.  If the PTB want him to sell a story, then he'll sell it regardless of what he personally might actually think of it.

8 hours ago, ulkis said:

In the year 2003? Surely you jest. Why, I remember riding my horse and buggy* to the ye old AOL saloon to trade in my cheese and pickles to use that there internet for two hours or so. A telephone woulda cost me another barrel of codfish!

Remember back when you had to call out to the Internet just to lure it in? It sounded like this.

 

[dubbel zout]

9 hours ago, ulkis said:

A telephone woulda cost me another barrel of codfish!

Tangent: Remember long distance, and Ma Bell? Pepperidge Farm and I do.

[Bringonthedrama]

22 hours ago, Winston Wolfe said:

Lesley Lu is demonstrating some of the negative personality traits she and Lucky seem to share with their father. Both can be overly judgmental and driven by a misguided sense of morality, often unable to acknowledge where they are clearly wrong. And I say that as someone who loves JJ's Lucky. 

Speaking of JJ, does anyone know if he gave a reason for leaving? Was it lack of a real S/L? When they didn't put Lucky back on the PCPD or have him accept Brennan's offer to join the WSB, I figured that he wouldn't stick around.

Also, even though you're back on the Barge,@GHScorpiosRule, I hope you read this - we both share an appreciation of JJ's and TC's co-written scene that ended with Nik saying, "Who says I haven't been using an accent the entire time? Farewell, Brother." 

I also love JJ as Lucky and you make great points here about what they have in common with Luke.

Yes, as has been stated, JJ said he left because of the commute. I'd say lack of good storyline that properly uses his talents and connects him with a variety of characters Lucky has history with certainly helped make the commute not worthwhile. Not to mention, he's still very passionate about music. He's performing again both at individual events and he along with Nashville castmates announced they'll be going on tour. I saw online he's performing in Illinois next weekend, June 21.

I'm really glad that JJ and TC got to re-write their final scene together and enjoy it both as actors and friends; they couldn't have known TC would die and thus never return to GH to act with JJ in 2024-2025. I feel like JJ and Lucky got to have proper closure/good bye scenes with first TC/original Nikolas, then TG/Luke in their few scenes during TG's retirement storyline, and now BHerbst/Elizabeth and GF/Laura.

13 hours ago, JMO said:

 Why didn't she do it when she got close enough to try to seduce him away from Lulu?  Because she only found out a couple of months ago that she'd been pregnant 22 years ago. 

 

Your second sentence is accurate, lol. She told Chase that she "thought about" telling Dante about their baby when she tried to seduce him, but decided not to because it was clear he didn't have any feelings for her anymore and was truly in love with Lulu. i.e. Oh, you don't want me? Then you don't get to know we have a child together.

13 hours ago, Artsda said:

How did Lulu figure it out? With eyes and ears. She knew as much as Brooklyn at that point. 

Lulu's ears perked up and she decided to investigate more because she heard Lois say to Dante, "if you knew who he really is" while being highly protectively territorial over Gio as Dante was giving him a hard time about Rocco.

Brook Lynn did not hear or witness any of that interaction.

13 hours ago, DanaK said:

She was also a fresh pair of eyes and knew the baby was male (which Brooklyn didn’t know) at that point. She saw Lois acting proprietary towards Geo when Dante was bawling him out and it made her suspicious 

It was the "who he really is" line in particular that made her suspicious and question Dante further about Gio, Brook Lynn, Lois and Gloria's history.

1 hour ago, Artsda said:

Which is making her cries that Lulu ruined her relationship with her son ridiculous.  Brooklyn was basing her facts on lies from her mother, not Lulu. 

She started out with accusing Lulu of "trashing Gio's entire life" and "destroying" her - Brook Lynn's life out of hatred. I rolled my eyes that she's being so melodramatic. Yes, Gio is deeply hurt and angry but deciding to move out of the Quartermaines and refusing to have anything to do with her, her mother and grandmother, and Dante is not a "trashed life." He has a place to stay. He's working at the pool, being polite and then helpful/friendly when Laura and Sonny had trouble. He has not disappeared or dropped out of college. 

Brook Lynn still has her home, relationships with her dad and stepmother and granny Tracy, her job at Deception, her friendship with Maxie, and her marriage. Her relationships with her mother and Grandma Gloria have been destroyed because they were exposed as liars and conspirators. So, she would rather not have known they betrayed her? Maybe her public image is somewhat messy now because Gio called her out during the Nurse's Ball as the mother who didn't claim him and it's all over Social Media. Why did he do that? Because he realized Brook Lynn, Lois and Gloria had treated his birth and true origin which was after the year 2000, as a dirty little secret. That is very hurtful to find out.

Could Lulu have handled this better? Of course! But Brook Lynn's desperation to have a relationship with her son right this minute, anger that Lulu "should have respected me as a mother" and blaming much of Gio's pain and anger on Lulu is ridiculous. 

I thought the scene of her reflecting on the situation with Lulu was well done. Brook Lynn is upset with herself underneath it all, thinking that if she had taken action like Lulu did to find out about the child (not just accepting whatever Lois told her), some of the ugliness could have been avoided. 

[statsgirl]

On 6/14/2025 at 11:43 AM, Daisy said:

i don't know what incel behaviour means. but other than that, that's what I agree with. I mean heck, even on Law & Order SVU Eliliot sometimes put Kathy ahead of Olivia lmao

"Incel" is short form for "involuntary celebrate" celibate

Quote

a term associated with an online subculture of mostly male and heterosexual people who define themselves as unable to find a romantic or sexual partner despite desiring one.

They debase women and often promote violence against them. For example, "In February 2020, an attack in Toronto that was allegedly motivated by incel ideologies became the first such act of violence to be prosecuted as terrorism, and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police stated that they consider the incel subculture to be an "Ideologically Motivated Violent Extremist (IMVE)" movement".

On 6/15/2025 at 10:50 AM, Artsda said:

3. Brooklyn wanted to wait yes, for a child who didn't know who was adopted to find her. Who  was living down the hall. She had no intention to find Gio. Which is making her cries that Lulu ruined her relationship with her son ridiculous. 

Technically the relationship is ruined because until the Nurses Ball, Gio had a good relationship with the woman (Brook Lynn) who had been his babysitter and who he thought of as a good friend, someone he could go to if he's in trouble. Now he's angry and refuses to speak to her. As well, the loving relationship he shared with Camilla has been revealed as a lie. As Gio said, the only one he can count on now is Emma.  Lulu justifies it by telling herself that it will all work out and they will be Happy Families soon.

I think where we differ is that once Lulu knew that Brook Lynn had had Dante's baby, whether she should have pursued it herself to find out who the child is or just told Dante and let him decide how he wants to handle it. I'm in the second category, it was none of her business to find out who the baby is and an invasion of the privacy of Brook Lynn, Dante and most of all Gio. 

Edited Monday at 07:12 PM by statsgirl

[JMO]

19 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

"Incel" is short form for "involuntary celebrate"

I know it's a typo for celibate, but reading this gave me a new term for some of the characters on this show, when they do stupid things: "involuntarily cerebrate".  

21 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Technically the relationship is ruined because until the Nurses Ball, Gio had a good relationship with the woman (Brook Lynn) who had been his babysitter and who he thought of as a good friend, someone he could go to if he's in trouble. Now he's angry and refuses to speak to her. As well, the loving relationship he shared with Camilla has been revealed as a lie. As Gio said, the only one he can count on now is Emma.

Gio is living with both Emma and her grandmother now.  It  would be nice if we could get a scene between him and Anna, where maybe she could dispense a little wisdom.  Also would have been nice for it to have come up in last week's conversation between Anna and Dante. He didn't even ask her how Gio seemed to be doing.

[Daisy]

24 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I think where we differ is that once Lulu knew that Brook Lynn had had Dante's baby, whether she should have pursued it herself to find out who the child is or just told Dante and let him decide how he wants to handle it. I'm in the second category, it was none of her business to find out who the baby is and an invasion of the privacy of Brook Lynn, Dante and most of all Gio. 

that's basically where I am at. plus Lulu's utter insitence that she did nothing wrong despite every single person including the person who she was "doing it for" told her how wrong she is. at that point just shut up and take the loss. no one is thanking you, sweetheart. 

(also thanks for the explanation. sometimes when i see something i don't understand, and search, i learned a touch more than i ever wanted so... yeah lol i tend not to now lol)

[VioletMarx]

On 6/14/2025 at 1:08 AM, Daisy said:

and Cody knew a hell of a lot longer than chase. so... just sayin'.

But Cody assumed she had an abortion. He didn't know there was a kid alive and walking around. 

Also, has Dante had a scene with Cody recently? He might still be hostile to him.

I haven't had much use for Cody, but the actor is good and can be very charming. I could get behind him becoming Ava's boy toy and the two of them plotting to drive Kristina nuts.

[sashabear21]

Whatever that top was that Maxie was wearing needs to find it's way to a burn pile.  Maybe they should pair Lulu with Drew, they both love to double down when they're completely in the wrong. 

Chase made vows to BLQ, not to Dante, he wasn't required to tell him the truth about the baby.  BLQ absolutely should have told him, maybe not when she was pregnant because she would have had Olivia nipping at her heels every 5 seconds to keep the baby and it would have forced her to have a relationship with a child that she wasn't prepared to raise, but she should have told him at any time in the years past that and she shouldn't have made that contingent on "Well I was going to tell him when I came to town to drug him, but he wasn't interested in me so I didn't tell him".  Also Dante's recent assy behavior to Gio, is all on him.  

 

 

[Daisy]

49 minutes ago, VioletMarx said:

Also, has Dante had a scene with Cody recently? He might still be hostile to him.

 

the night of the NB

[Cheyanne11]

Drew rewriting history and telling Jason that "before Michael swooped in at the Nurses Ball Willow and I met with Carly and offered her a compromise...it was very good...Michael would've gotten very generous visitation."

Yes, the 70's-esque 2-weekends a month/2 weeks in the summer was SUPER generous.  

Drew: never not an asshat.

[ciarra]

Sonny:  I didn't know Dante was my son when I shot him.

Dante:  I didn't know Gio was my son when I was insufferably rude to him for something my (other) kid did.

[DanaK]

Interesting ending. What does Britt have to do with Lulu?

Edited Monday at 07:16 PM by DanaK

[Bunnyto4]

I would deeply appreciate it if the writers would put that insufferable bitch Lulu back into a coma. Thanks in advance.

[Liddy52]

7 minutes ago, DanaK said:

Interesting ending. What does Britt have to do with Lulu?

She carried Rocco as her own child (using embryo from Dante and Lulu  ) and raised him for the first year or so of his life calling him Ben., I think. 

[ciarra]

8 minutes ago, DanaK said:

What does Britt have to do with Lulu?

Quote

Dante and Lulu Falconeri have discovered their remaining embryos are missing, and they want to question her about them. He warns Dante and Lulu that they'll find out that Britt has their son.

Britt and Obrecht talk about "Ben" being Dante and Lulu's

In flashbacks, it's revealed that after Patrick dumped Britt, Obrecht told her to get pregnant in order to get Patrick back. Britt wanted to find a suitable sperm donor, but Obrecht reminded her about the embryos she had fertilized for Dante and Lulu. One was implanted into Maxie, which she ended up miscarrying. Britt had Brad steal the other two, and Obrecht implanted them into Britt. Only one was viable, and it led to Britt becoming pregnant with "her son." Ben is actually Dante and Lulu's biological child.

 

[statsgirl]

Is there a point to Brennan other than to prop Carly and get involved in her family? He's less use than Austin.

Someone should tell the show that Research Assistants do not make appointments or changes to proposals or do anything personal for the profs. She should be in the lab, not doing his paperwork (hence the term research assistant). Also Joss just clones Dalton's phone, no questions asked? I thought that she was supposed to be smart.

Good for Drew pointing out that Jason continues to be absorbed by Michael's family drama while continuing to ignore his own kids Jake and Danny,

Gio and Emma continue to be cute.

If anyone should be honey trapping Dalton, it should be Anna There's more chemistry there than in most of the pairings on this show,

If they are showing Kelly's photo as Britt, I am betting that this is going to be another "she wasn't really dead" storyline rather than having her come back as another character.

Edited Monday at 07:42 PM by statsgirl

[ulkis]

Dante: yells at Chase, at Brook Lynn, at Lulu. But then he's like, but the one I'm most concerned about is you, murder-daddy.

[Daisy]

1 minute ago, statsgirl said:

If they are showing Kelly's photo as Britt, I am betting that this is going to be another "she wasn't really dead" storyline rather than having her come back as another character.

which pisses me off. on so many fronts. Kelly wanted Brit to be dead vs just. going off somewhere and dealing with her Huntingdons. the writers stupidly accept to this request, and now she decides oh i wanna come back so let's just have the writing somehow make this make sense. 

and look at her NOT have huntingdon's either.  

[ulkis]

I can think of ten worse ways Gio could have discovered his parentage:

-billboard.

-announcement at a baseball game.

-hiring a plane to fly a banner over the Q house.

Etc etc.

Yes Lulu was thoughtless but this "Worst way possible" is just lacking imagination lol.

[dubbel zout]

9 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Is there a point to Brennan other than to prop Carly and get involved in her family? He's less use than Austin.

If a monkey wrench with "For a jack of all trades" etched on it is the most thoughtful gift Brennan has ever gotten, he has lived a very sad life.

[sashabear21]

27 minutes ago, ulkis said:

I can think of ten worse ways Gio could have discovered his parentage:

-billboard.

-announcement at a baseball game.

-hiring a plane to fly a banner over the Q house.

Etc etc.

Yes Lulu was thoughtless but this "Worst way possible" is just lacking imagination lol.

Singing telegram

Anonymous box of poop delivery

Suddenly requiring an organ donation

Getting shot in the chest

 

[Bringonthedrama]

2 hours ago, sashabear21 said:

 Maybe they should pair Lulu with Drew, they both love to double down when they're completely in the wrong. 

BLQ absolutely should have told him, maybe not when she was pregnant because she would have had Olivia nipping at her heels every 5 seconds to keep the baby and it would have forced her to have a relationship with a child that she wasn't prepared to raise, but she should have told him at any time in the years past that and she shouldn't have made that contingent on "Well I was going to tell him when I came to town to drug him, but he wasn't interested in me so I didn't tell him".  Also Dante's recent assy behavior to Gio, is all on him.  

Not even Lulu deserves Drew. And Rocco is a good kid who has suffered enough. He doesn't deserve to have Drew the asshat inflicted on his home (that he shares with his mother) and life.

SO MUCH THIS! Thank you.

1 hour ago, DanaK said:

Interesting ending. What does Britt have to do with Lulu?

She had herself implanted with Dante and Lulu's embryo (but Patrick still didn't want her), gave birth to "Ben", raised him as her own baby while living in Lulu's brother Nikolas's home, had a screaming "I'm his mother!" tantrum and tried to get to him when Nikolas found out and kicked her out of Wyndemere, her mother Leisl aka Dr. O who knew what was going on so she kidnapped "Ben" and took him to Elizabeth's home. That hostage situation didn't work out as Leisl planned and she shot Elizabeth. 

55 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Is there a point to Brennan other than to prop Carly and get involved in her family?.

Good for Drew pointing out that Jason continues to be absorbed by Michael's family drama while continuing to ignore his own kids Jake and Danny,

No.

I'm legit surprised that Drew remembered Jake exists, and that when he mentioned him Jason didn't say, "Who?"

Also, I want to know why it's okay for a personal dispute between two police officers to be resolved on PCPD time and involving the Police Department's holding cells. Mac should have threatened them with suspension if they didn't knock it off immediately.

Edited Monday at 08:32 PM by Bringonthedrama

[Daisy]

8 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Mac should have threatened them with suspension if they didn't knock it off immediately.

i miss Mac being the Commissioner. 
he really didn't broke any crap for the most part. 

[Daisy]

you know. i do have to give the show credit - Drew is dead wrong in his behaviour but what he said was point blank truth. Jason is going for war for his great niece and nephew, but when was the last time Jason actually spent time on/with Danny and Jake (also the big HA HA HA that scout is legit dead to everyone at this point). 

then Carly is like well you know. Drew allowed Willow to make bad decisions over and over and over so she SHOULDN'T get her kids and i'm like yah so did you, remember, but YOU thought you were still worth it and being with the people that you were making the bad decisions for. like come on. 

and again. FULLY AGREEING with Jason and Carly they have to think of the kids emotional safely, can we please just remember, that as long as Michael feels that Sonny hung the moon, they're still not physically safe: see michael burning up  alive in his apartment.  [and being shot in the head, and several people close to sonny being blowed up in cars]. 

I also have to say MEK's face when Drew was like we're going to war was hilarious. just the whole. The Eff?

Emma and Gio are adorable. 
 

[statsgirl]

18 minutes ago, Daisy said:

also the big HA HA HA that scout is legit dead to everyone at this point). 

Except to Alexis. Tracy wanted Alexis to sue for custody of Scout and Alexis wouldn't, saying that Scout loves her father and he loves her (ha!) and it would hurt her to be apart from him.

[Bringonthedrama]

1 hour ago, Daisy said:

i miss Mac being the Commissioner. 

Me too. I would like for Mac to point out that BOTH Chase and Dante have a conflict of interest now that they have a young man in common who is family to both of them and is Sonny's grandson.

Ugh, Chase's utter devotion to Brook Lynn is weakening his character. He sounded like a total asshat for gaslighting Dante by telling him that Brook Lynn "did you a favor" by never telling him they had a child together because he got to enjoy his youth. I rather enjoyed Dante telling him that no, Brook Lynn did the right thing for herself, not him nor Gio.

So Brook Lynn slapped Lulu because the truth hurts. (Yes, Lulu was mean, but she was also accurate.) That was after the Queen Bitch "your cat nap" reference to a horrible explosion and COMA which involved two children losing years with their mother. Too bad Gio didn't hear that comment. 

Glad that Maxie told Brook Lynn to leave once she hit Lulu. It's pathetic that Brook Lynn thinks she's going to get back at Lulu by tearing her down as a mother using files about Britt. Has she forgotten that the son she desperately wants to have a relationship with, has a good relationship with his half-brother Rocco? Gio will not thank her if Rocco gets hurt because she's trying to hurt Lulu and Dante will almost certainly be even more furious with Brook Lynn than he is now. Brook Lynn is also likely to damage her marriage by going down this road. She can't say Granny Tracy didn't warn her (recently).

Lulu and Brook Lynn are most definitely their own worst enemies. 

Edited Monday at 09:57 PM by Bringonthedrama

[TVbitch]

I cant remember, did Lulu ever tell Rocco about that early drama with Brit? Is BLQ gonna blow up Rocco's life like Lulu did Gio's? These dames are so classy! 

I don't know how I feel about a Martin and Tracy pairing, but I loved when she chastised him for picking up some berries with his fingers and he retaliated by casually dabbing his fingers over all of the remaining berries. 😂

Joss' super serious spy line of the day (while downloading Dalton's files from his computer): "We need to get this done before he comes back!" Damn, she's good. 

[madhacker]

Am I the only one hoping that Emma or Gio  makes LuLu fall in the pool tomorrow?

She's gonna try to "apologize" and when Gio (rightfully) throws it back in her face, she'll get all upright about it clam that he actually owes her since she got the truth out.

On second thought, if she's still around let Carly come up behind her and give her another slap into the pool. Carly then claims Gio as part of her family.

[Bringonthedrama]

9 minutes ago, madhacker said:

Carly then claims Gio as part of her family.

Meh, Carly has zero use for or interest in Gio because he's Dante's son. She has resented and disliked Dante from the moment he "replaced" Michael as eldest son of Sonny.  The only child Carly has genuinely cared about aside from her own kids or grandkids is Kristina, and that's because Michael has a history of being close to his sister.

When Dante got shot and almost died during the beginning of Jason/SBu's return storyline in spring 2024, Carly was super concerned about Danny, not Rocco. I'm not sure she has ever even spoken to teenage Rocco. It seemed like everyone but Carly was concerned about Rocco due to alcohol poisoning. She went right to Danny to talk to him about his behavior and being a better brother but never dropped by Rocco's room to say hello or even asked Sonny about him as far as I recall.