Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[Daisy]

Sonny: you paid a high price for being my son.
Michael: I wouldn't have changed anything. 

BUT HE'S THE LYNCHPIN FOR THE QUARTERMAINE FAMILY? 
a curse on you. 

[statsgirl]

The Natalia actress, whose name I forget, looked like she was having a lot of fun playing drunk.  Good casting on Marco, he really does look like he could be Carlo Rota's son.

It's a sad day when Drunk Natalia and Molly and Cody by the pool were the most enjoyable parts of the episode. The giant glowing ball floating around the pool was hilarious.

Nina was a good match for Drew, smart and stands up to him. It's too bad the show blew that up for Stepford Willow storyline. 

Sasha is angry at Nina for telling Ric that Michael is the father of her baby and ignores that she enabled Michael to commit adultery. This is the show where telling the secret is worse than doing whatever has to be kept secret.

Carly of course makes it Jason keeping the secret all about her.

Curtis is having problems with Portia but they are still a cure for insomnia. They brought Hatman back for this?

I would look forward to ADA Turner fighting Sonny, Anna and Robert but I already know who is going to win.

5 hours ago, ljr said:

who gets custody of this new baby? She’s a Scorpio, quatermaine, Corinthos and Spencer 

The best reason why this baby should not exist.

Carly is ready to take custody.

[dubbel zout]

Oh, now Curtis realizes his demands for Jordan to tell him everything work-related were wrong? How big of him. What a jackass.

2 minutes ago, Daisy said:

Sonny: you paid a high price for being my son.
Michael: I wouldn't have changed anything. 

Then Michael goes on to say now that he's an adult, it's his job to protect his family the way Sonny protected his. You mean badly, and at times with fatal consequences? 

Of course Wiley is thrilled at having a new sister, instead of wondering WTF is going on. 

It was very soapy to have Drew glowering in the background as Michael, Willow, and the kids wave happily at the baby.

Good luck trying to keep Carly out of Daisy's life, Sasha! Not to mention the Qs.

[KittyQ]

1 minute ago, dubbel zout said:

Of course Wiley is thrilled at having a new sister, instead of wondering WTF is going on. 

To be fair this is just SNAFU for his life. 🫤

[mostlylurking]

God that patented Carly snarl with the jutted out jaw is the ultimate worst!  I don’t know why Laura Wright does that it’s so off putting.  Ick.

I love the name Daisy.  It’s cute.

So long Jonathan.  You are too good for this show, at least for this iteration of it.

[YaddaYadda]

3 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

It was very soapy to have Drew glowering in the background as Michael, Willow, and the kids wave happily at the baby.

Looking forward to seeing how he is going to come and destroy that moment. He did not seem to like what he was seeing at all.

I don't know why they brought Natalia back. I thought we were done with her when she dropped off the face of the earth. Now she's back and the ADA wants to use her against Sonny. Wrong target. 

I doubt Robert is ever coming back as a character, but I thought they'd give him a better send off than the one he had.

 

[mostlylurking]

1 minute ago, YaddaYadda said:

I don't know why they brought Natalia back. I thought we were done with her when she dropped off the face of the earth. Now she's back and the ADA wants to use her against Sonny. Wrong target. 

Yeah she’s really not needed.  But she was a funny drunk and absolutely rocked that white dress.  That’s something!  I like Eva, I just wish she wasn’t playing such an unlikable character.

[Daisy]

17 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Sasha is angry at Nina for telling Ric that Michael is the father of her baby and ignores that she enabled Michael to commit adultery. This is the show where telling the secret is worse than doing whatever has to be kept secret.

 

maybe if you weren't a judgemental cow who was all for willow losing her children because she had an affair and don't like Drew and didn't lie to everyone that you had an affair and had a married man's baby, Nina wouldn't have had to say anything, Sasha. Just leave and take your dumb baby with you.

 

 

20 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Nina was a good match for Drew, smart and stands up to him. It's too bad the show blew that up for Stepford Willow storyline. 

 

that was really a big mistake. CW/CM work well off together. KatyMc just doens't. and honestly i don't even know how, now they can circle back to one another anyway

 

 

9 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Then Michael goes on to say now that he's an adult, it's his job to protect his family the way Sonny protected his. You mean badly, and at times with fatal consequences? 

 

again, all i ask is for one AJ secret child. let her have the house and just read michael and everyone for filth. let her be this gens Tracy/Dowager Duchess of Granthan. ALL I ask. 

[YaddaYadda]

3 minutes ago, Daisy said:

again, all i ask is for one AJ secret child. let her have the house and just read michael and everyone for filth. let her be this gens Tracy/Dowager Duchess of Granthan. ALL I ask. 

I don't think you should even think about this.

If they bring AJ's secret child to PC. They'll probably be a jerk who is also a drug addict, a rapist and who will end up drowning one of Michael's children accidentally.

Although Monica knowing of said secret child and leaving her estate to them would be pretty hilarious.

[Daisy]

2 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

I don't think you should even think about this.

If they bring AJ's secret child to PC. They'll probably be a jerk who is also a drug addict, a rapist and who will end up drowning one of Michael's children accidentally.

Although Monica knowing of said secret child and leaving her estate to them would be pretty hilarious.

i know.  it's like i'll wish it into existence and they'll just.. basically AJ her.  but i mean. goodness everytime we cut to the Q's we basically have now. a house of Sonny Apologists, an actual Q/Corinthos hybrid (please somehow make that baby Cody's for the love of all that's holy), and even Tracy is all "oh yah, Michael's everything for the Q's"  

And i am like. I know Edward had his faults, and Alan wasn't perfect, but holy crap, what the hell did they literally do to deserve all of that. like after Ned, that's it. there is no one who fundementally loves being a Q, defends them or anything like that. [and systematically hates Sonny, Carly, and Michael for being okay for what they all did to AJ and His memory]. it just sucks so much

[ciarra]

25 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Of course Wiley is thrilled at having a new sister, instead of wondering WTF is going on. 

Wiley, when a mommy and a daddy love each other very much, they make a baby.  Then if daddy decides he likes gets drunk with another lady, they make a baby, too.  

[KittyQ]

Why didn't the PCPD put Natalia in a cell to sober up before she met anyone? Also, since when does an assistant DA make a personal visit to someone arrested for DUI who wasn't involved in a crash, while she is still inebriated? I'm pretty sure that if she decides to get a defense lawyer, that will come up as she isn't in any condition to make statements or say anything sensible. And Natalia still has her phone! They didn't take that away from her. Isn't the traditional "phone call" typically made from a PD phone? 

Of course, PC police department doesn't run by any commonly recognized rules, so carry on. 

[dubbel zout]

Having an ambitious ADA use a DUI charge to leverage information on Sonny is...a choice, Show. 

Wow.

And I thought having Natalia complain about her dress getting dirty was gross as well. The driver of the car Haley Pullos hit was badly injured. There's nothing cute or funny about that.

Edited June 6 by dubbel zout

[Lugal]

4 hours ago, Sake614 said:

I don’t want him to die, only because I don’t want to see Trina suffer more heartbreak.  I’d rather he rejoin PCU’s football team, reclaim his status as star QB, be recruited into the NFL and go join the Seattle Seahawks. That way he’s clear across the country and Trina will be free to find a new love in PC. Someone who’s actually worthy of her and has a personality.

Because the way the actor delivers his lines reminds me of Jason Mendoza from The Good Place, I see him more as joining the Jacksonville Jaguars.

[JMO]

One week of interesting story, and now we're back to mobsters and molls.  Sigh.

To my eye, they finally got Eva LaRue's makeup right. For too long a time, it just looked caked on, and too dark.  I think Natalia might actually be a salvageable character if she fully embraces her dark side.  She's been better as an uppity drunk than she has anything else.

I have come to enjoy Cody's personality, and I hope he will one day get to be more than the fun uncle.  Not sure Molly is the right choice, but maybe.

Is it too much to hope that Robert might return to seek reelection?  Or at least come back long enough to announce his retirement?  Maybe he and Anna can partner up one last time to take down that ADA.  Right after she finishes with Sonny, of course.

Nina was uncharacteristically wise to fess up to Sasha so quickly.  Wish that would catch on with the rest of Port Charles.   

[ciarra]

14 minutes ago, JMO said:

Nina was uncharacteristically wise to fess up to Sasha so quickly.

I wonder if Sasha will let Nina babysit?

[dubbel zout]

2 minutes ago, ciarra said:

I wonder if Sasha will let Nina babysit?

Only over Carly's dead body.

[ljr]

Why did Sasha’s baby with Michael live but they killed her baby with Brando?

is Sasha still going to live at the quatermaine as a cook? 

[Cheyanne11]

I thought maybe Willow's pov would be altered today and she'd realize joint custody is what's best for everyone.  But, nope, she's all *angelic voice* we know how this is going to go, I'm going to get what Drew I want because Michael cheated first.  Like, girl, you're still just not getting it.  

Don't even get me started on that idiot child Wiley not having one second of questioning where his new sibling came from.

 

[ciarra]

17 minutes ago, ljr said:

is Sasha still going to live at the quatermaine as a cook? 

Probably.  Free child care.   

[Bringonthedrama]

Yes they have. Elizabeth kissed JJ's Lucky when he was in the hospital bed. Then they started making out and got horizontal on the couch when she brought him home from the hospital, after the Cyrus attack/storyline conclusion. Laura showed up unexpectedly to have dinner with them and they never got back to the kissing. Lucky passed out from exhaustion right after Laura went home.  Since then, they've had one episode of romance (meal from NYC, at his workplace) and she said yes to going away with him to NYC for the weekend. They never went thanks to Kristina.

[TVbitch]

So very nice of Anna to tip Sonny off that the ADA is committed to getting evidence against him. (Hint: Look in Anna's desk drawer marked "Evidence On Sonny I Never Used") I'm sure they're going to make the ADA as "corrupt" as they made John Cates, but I'm still rooting for her.  

Michael and WIllow look pretty together with the dark hair. Michael was absurd saying he can protect himself now ~after just getting over being fire bombed. Although, if I went into a burn clinic as old milquetoast Michael and came back as this guy, I would not change a thing either. 

 

[statsgirl]

I adore Robert and always have but if I were an ambitious ADA I would go after his job too. He's never around to do it and even when he is, he lets his friends slip through his fingers.

3 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Oh, now Curtis realizes his demands for Jordan to tell him everything work-related were wrong? How big of him. What a jackass.

To slip into reality for a moment, it also speaks to how not in love with Jordan he was. She does one thing [that he considers wrong] and he's out of there with very harsh words while Portia keeps secrets from him again and again and he's still with her. Trina doesn't even live at home any more, I'm sure she could take your marriage breaking up.

1 hour ago, ljr said:

Why did Sasha’s baby with Michael live but they killed her baby with Brando?

It's Michael. sigh  None of his kids are at risk.

[Cheyanne11]

4 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

1 hour ago, ljr said:

Why did Sasha’s baby with Michael live but they killed her baby with Brando?

It's Michael. sigh  None of his kids are at risk.

Just his romantic interests.

[absnow54]

1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

It's Michael. sigh  None of his kids are at risk.

I don’t know. Amelia better watch her back. Wiley will forever tie Grandma Carly to Grandma Nina, and Daisy gets the novelty of being a Scorpio/Quartermaine. Amelia may as well joint the ranks of Scout, Donna, Avery, and Maxie’s kids. We’ll see her annually at the nurse’s ball. 

[Auntie Velvet]

I have to say, Willow's being a pretty good sport about the surprise baby. I know she hasn't been blameless in the last year, but a whole-ass adultery child is a lot to absorb in a matter of hours. Her main thing seems to be helping her kids feel happy about their new sister. Of course, Drewfuss is clearly about to ruin the feel-good moment.

[Daisy]

16 minutes ago, absnow54 said:

I don’t know. Amelia better watch her back. Wiley will forever tie Grandma Carly to Grandma Nina, and Daisy gets the novelty of being a Scorpio/Quartermaine. Amelia may as well joint the ranks of Scout, Donna, Avery, and Maxie’s kids. We’ll see her annually at the nurse’s ball. 

 

pretty much. amelia is such a useless baby, and really should have suffered a bit more consequences considering she grew in a cancer ridden body. 

[Maelstrom]

3 hours ago, ljr said:

Why did Sasha’s baby with Michael live but they killed her baby with Brando?

To spite me personally, because the writers hate me. Sorry everyone.

[ciarra]

1 hour ago, Auntie Velvet said:

I have to say, Willow's being a pretty good sport about the surprise baby. I know she hasn't been blameless in the last year, but a whole-ass adultery child is a lot to absorb in a matter of hours. Her main thing seems to be helping her kids feel happy about their new sister.

Yeah, Willow didn't even break stride.  

What a clean birth it was, too, with not so much as a wrinkle on Michael's suit jacket, and no smudges on Willow's dress.  

[KerleyQ]

The list of characters I like on this show is getting pretty bleak: 

Tracy

Liz

Cody

Lucas

And that's all. If I've forgotten anyone, it's probably because they're on so infrequently that I've forgotten they still exist on the canvas. 

Now, someone please shoot me in the head while I'm giving birth, because I see a pretty good spark between Willow and NuMichael. 

Once Carly was sure that everyone was in the hospital, checked out and OK, it was time for her to get to the most important topic - Carly. Why didn't Michael tell her? Why didn't Jason tell her? Would Jason have told her he wasn't the father if she'd directly asked him? Me! Me! Me!

I hate what they're doing with Anna and all, but is talking to someone in a public park, where anyone, including the acting DA, can come across them at any time, really some kind of clandestine secret meeting? She acted like she found Anna and Jason hiding away in the darkest corners of a seedy bar three towns over. 

Molly, thank you for remembering that Noted Bigot Natalia is a noted bigot. Also, nobody would blame you if you climbed Cody like a tree. 

[Suicidy 2.0]

Am I the only one who saw the dark glee in Carly’s Eyes when she asked to come into Sasha’s hospital room?  It’s like she’s already salivating at the prospect of hoarding yet another baby.

[Daisy]

1 hour ago, KerleyQ said:

Once Carly was sure that everyone was in the hospital, checked out and OK, it was time for her to get to the most important topic - Carly. Why didn't Michael tell her? Why didn't Jason tell her? Would Jason have told her he wasn't the father if she'd directly asked him? Me! Me! Me!

 

 

i wish Jason flat out would have said, yes I would have lied because it was none of your business

 

[YaddaYadda]

9 hours ago, absnow54 said:

I don’t know. Amelia better watch her back. Wiley will forever tie Grandma Carly to Grandma Nina, and Daisy gets the novelty of being a Scorpio/Quartermaine. Amelia may as well joint the ranks of Scout, Donna, Avery, and Maxie’s kids. We’ll see her annually at the nurse’s ball. 

So does Amelia. Wylie is Nelle's son and Amelia is Willow's and both Nelle and Willow are Nina's daughters.

[Cheyanne11]

8 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

Once Carly was sure that everyone was in the hospital, checked out and OK, it was time for her to get to the most important topic - Carly. Why didn't Michael tell her? Why didn't Jason tell her? Would Jason have told her he wasn't the father if she'd directly asked him? Me! Me! Me!

Carly's biggest fan is...Carly.

There is a certain hilarity that her biggest competition for Jason's loyalty is the kid she foisted upon him as a newborn.  Sure, Michael tied Jason to her for life, just not in the way she imagined.  Oops.

[Perkie]

13 hours ago, absnow54 said:

I don’t know. Amelia better watch her back. Wiley will forever tie Grandma Carly to Grandma Nina,

Amelia, as Nelle's daughter will also do that.  And Amelia is also a Quartermain, so there is not much difference between her and Wylie.  

13 hours ago, Auntie Velvet said:

Willow's being a pretty good sport about the surprise baby.

I have to think that a bunch of them are not overly suprised that the baby is Michael and not Jason's.  I'm sure they were all scratching their heads questioning the idea of Jason hooking up with Sasha in the first place.  So now  it's probably more of a lightbulb moment.  

[Noneofyourbusiness]

So they did lampshade that Sonny got two "new" grandchildren in as many days.

When Natalia was looking at Marco and Lucas after her argument with Marco, I actually thought she might approach them, apologize, and say she wanted to get to know Lucas better, but instead we have this drunk driving thing that somehow feeds into ADA Turner's crusade against Sonny, Anna and Laura.

Glad the show allowed Molly to give Natalia a piece of her mind; Kristina being all self-sacrificing by saying Natalia was the "real victim" of her homophobic words being aired publicly was puke-worthy.

And now the show actually remembers the concept of conflict of interest. Not when Ric is in cases involving Kristina, Molly and Michael.

Yes, Michael, if you could forgive Sonny for shooting your bio-dad, it was already very obvious nothing would make you stop loving him (and I say that as someone who likes Sonny and Michael and contempts A.J.).

20 hours ago, Daisy said:

BUT HE'S THE LYNCHPIN FOR THE QUARTERMAINE FAMILY? 

That was a funny thing for Tracy to say, given that he and his children don't even use the Quartermaine name. Neither do the Cains (though not for lack of trying) and Morgans. Tracy's own side of the family will have to be the ones to continue it.

19 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Good luck trying to keep Carly out of Daisy's life, Sasha! Not to mention the Qs.

I got the impression Sasha isn't going to insist Michael keep his distance anymore, so that could include Carly as well.

16 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

I thought maybe Willow's pov would be altered today and she'd realize joint custody is what's best for everyone.  But, nope, she's all *angelic voice* we know how this is going to go, I'm going to get what Drew I want because Michael cheated first.  Like, girl, you're still just not getting it.  

I don't know how the show is going to portray the law, but according to reality, Willow, the mere fact of committing adultery is not enough to lose custody. The narrative the other side have been presenting that you've been re-arranging your children's lives in ways that are not to their benefit in order to please Drew is still more convincing than just "Michael cheated first".

15 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Just his romantic interests.

Abby died in such a random way. Even that one girl in high school who was friends with Kristina and ironically named Ali like her own future love interest, who was interested in dating Michael but never did because his PTSD from the prison rape made him react badly to her touching him, died when their bus for the ski trip slid off a patch of ice.

13 hours ago, Auntie Velvet said:

I have to say, Willow's being a pretty good sport about the surprise baby. I know she hasn't been blameless in the last year, but a whole-ass adultery child is a lot to absorb in a matter of hours. Her main thing seems to be helping her kids feel happy about their new sister. Of course, Drewfuss is clearly about to ruin the feel-good moment.

I think it's partly because she thinks the baby means the custody battle is over and she imagines she'll move on with Drew and Michael will move on with Sasha.

Edited June 7 by Noneofyourbusiness

[Bringonthedrama]

On 6/3/2025 at 4:26 PM, Daisy said:

that is bothering me. like you're not a kid. that's a kid reaction. Be mad about being lied to about being adopted, not the fact that you were given up. the fact that Camilla took you in and raised you showed that you were wanted.  

And his whole "you didn't even consider it." well she told you. She wasn't in the position t raise a baby and wanted to give you your best life. that was it.
 

He was accusing his mother Brook Lynn, grandmother Lois and great grandmother Gloria of not wanting him. In all of these years, Lois and Gloria have never told him the truth/claimed him as their family so I can totally understand why he would think  they didn't really want him as their own.  As for "didn't even consider it" - I assumed that was an indirect reference to the money/resources and family support Brook Lynn has. I'm sure at 22 years old he is aware that plenty of teenagers keep and raise (or try to) their babies with little to no money and no family to help them. 

On 6/3/2025 at 5:12 PM, KittyQ said:

I agree - his whole argument is about who "didn't want him", not acknowledging the people who DID want him, and took care of him until they couldn't, and he was grown.

 

On 6/4/2025 at 7:46 AM, dubbel zout said:

As many have pointed out, Gio was wanted. By Camilla. He had a loving childhood. He seemed to lack for nothing. Yes, Camilla died too soon, but no one is immune from possible tragedy. 

Why does this show shit on adoption so much?. The reasons kids are given up are not necessarily ugly. When you're placed with adoptive parents, the vast majority are beyond thrilled to be able to create a family this way. GOD.

I totally understand Gio's feeling that he was unwanted. Brook Lynn, Lois and Gloria treated his birth and illegal adoption to Camilla as a dirty secret.  That's very obvious to everyone, and I'm sure it's hurtful to him.  Lois and Gloria justified to his face everything they've done as "what was right for you and Brook Lynn" and defensively said he had a loving relationship with Camilla. So, he wondered if they pressured Brook Lynn to give him away. She said no; she was a teenager and not in a position to raise a baby. He got from her words" "I didn't want you - I couldn't deal with being a mother because I was a teenager. It would have been too hard." At his age, maybe he heard subtext in her reasoning as "I didn't want to give up my teenage life/make sacrifices (like Olivia did)."

[Lugal]

47 minutes ago, Noneofyourbusiness said:

So they did lampshade that Sonny got two "new" grandchildren in as many days.

After MB said no more kids for Sonny, the writers are all, "Wait, what about grandkids?"

(Actually, I'm kind of amazed at how often Brooklyn 99 gifs work for this show)

[absnow54]

5 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

So does Amelia. Wylie is Nelle's son and Amelia is Willow's and both Nelle and Willow are Nina's daughters.

What I meant is that they don’t need to share TWO grandchildren to maintain their rivalry, and Wiley has already been crowned the golden child. Amelia is “expendable” as far as soap children go. Kind of like you rarely see Donna and Avery at the same time these days. 

[dubbel zout]

16 hours ago, TVbitch said:

I'm sure they're going to make the ADA as "corrupt" as they made John Cates, but I'm still rooting for her.  

I can't root for her, because as I noted earlier, she's trying to leverage a DUI charge on Noted Bigot Natalia to get info on Sonny. That's so gross and tasteless, not that the show cares. Also, and as usual, she's being written with no subtlety at all. Her leering about finding Anna and Jason together was so dumb. Twirl your mustache while you're talking to them, why don't you. Ugh. It's so predictable. She'll find something pursuing but of course ultimately fail. Zzzz. We've seen this a million times.

4 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

There is a certain hilarity that [Carly's] biggest competition for Jason's loyalty is the kid she foisted upon him as a newborn.  Sure, Michael tied Jason to her for life, just not in the way she imagined.  Oops.

It's a nice irony, isn't it? If Jason had to choose between Carly and Michael, he'd choose Michael with little to no hesitation. Carly must be realizing that now, and it's got to be a bitter pill to swallow. Karma may be slow, but eventually she does her thing.

[ciarra]

Carly.

And Sasha didn't want the Q's to find out because they are too possessive.

[Melgaypet]

Sasha is an idiot. 

That's it. I don't think it can be said enough.

[KerleyQ]

26 minutes ago, ciarra said:

Carly.

And Sasha didn't want the Q's to find out because they are too possessive.

Except now Sasha seems to have mentally rewritten the whole thing, and she claims she just didn't want her pregnancy/baby to get tied up in Michael and Willow's divorce and custody battle. So now she's probably not even going to face any pushback or questioning from anyone, because the truth, that she didn't want her kid raised around any of Michael's family, isn't coming out. 

[dubbel zout]

I wonder if Carly will say anything to Sasha about the paternity lies, on both the Michael and Jason fronts.

And speaking of the Jason front, I liked Cody saying he had some apologies to make to Jason. Jason probably won't care, but it's refreshing to see someone admit they were wrong and want to make amends. Usually everyone just doubles down.

Edited June 7 by dubbel zout

[Daisy]

Okay. Sasha.
You are all omg you TOLD RIC ABOUT ME AND MICHAEL. you were telling the entire world about Willow and Drew. like. i have no time for you.

And. oh i don't want my baby near mobs and q's and you make your baby's godfather Jason. just.. go AWAY

[Maelstrom]

54 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I wonder if Carly will say anything to Sasha about the paternity lies, on both the Michael and Jason fronts.

As long as Sasha continues to do what Carly wants (i.e. let Carly have unlimited access to the baby) Carly won't have a problem with it. If Sasha stops being cooperative with Carly's wishes, then Carly will throw it in her face every possible chance.

4 hours ago, Noneofyourbusiness said:

Glad the show allowed Molly to give Natalia a piece of her mind; Kristina being all self-sacrificing by saying Natalia was the "real victim" of her homophobic words being aired publicly was puke-worthy.

But how many writing staff changes have we had since Kristina's bs excusing of Natalia? Sadly, the 180s from various power struggles going on BTS have been so extreme they've left skid marks on the show. So to speak. I doubt they'd have Kristina be so forgiving now, what with her vengeful crazy and all. Then again, that would also mean remembering Kristina is bi/gay, and since this show seems to have a strict 2 gay limit, I doubt that would happen unless we lose Lucas or Marco (and I'd much rather have both of them over Kristina for too many reasons to name).

[sashabear21]

It has never once occurred to me in my 25+ years in the working world to have a business meeting by a hotel pool, where it's generally humid and noisy and there's kids running around. Also I find hotel pools kinda gross and a source of disease outbreaks, but anyways Frank gotta show off his set in implausible ways. To be honest I'm surprised they didn't have the custody hearing in there. 

So Sasha's had a girl baby that's related to most of the families on the canvas. Maybe it would have been better if she had just hooked up with a rando.  That poor kid is gonna have to take a cousin to prom when she's older at this point.  

"You're having a secret meetings!" yeah in a public park and not even wearing trenchcoats. I mean ADA Turner isn't wrong that all the public officials are too cozy with the local mob boss and his sainted hitman, but maybe investigate more stealthily. I mean hell, Joss is doing a better job of not blowing her cover and Joss sucks.  

Wylie is dumb. 

[Sake614]

40 minutes ago, Daisy said:

i don't want my baby near mobs and q's and you make your baby's godfather Jason. just

Right because why ask a member of her own family? You know, like Mac or Cody? Next she’ll be asking Carly or joss to be the godmother. Fuck Felicia, who openly welcomed her into t(e family and has been there to support her through all the confusion and angst. Screw Maxie, who stood by her during the drug addiction. Let’s just go straight to Michael’s dysfunctional family with a gazillion ties to the mob. 

[Daisy]

1 minute ago, Sake614 said:

Right because why ask a member of her own family? You know, like Mac or Cody? Next she’ll be asking Carly or joss to be the godmother. Fuck Felicia, who openly welcomed her into t(e family and has been there to support her through all the confusion and angst. Screw Maxie, who stood by her during the drug addiction. Let’s just go straight to Michael’s dysfunctional family with a gazillion ties to the mob. 

or Lucy who  was with her (outside of the business sense) and also helped her with the knowledge of losing children. i'm just so over Sasha at this point i can't even with this. 

Also. how isn't Wiley not asking Mommy why she wasn't fat with the baby? like my dude knew when she was carrying Amelia. this is stupid

[Perkie]

48 minutes ago, sashabear21 said:

So Sasha's had a girl baby that's related to most of the families on the canvas.

This.   MIchael was related to every family tree in town via birth father, mother and adopted father and the only tree he wasn't sitting in was the Scorpio/Jones one.  So they make Cody a Scorpio then make Sasha a Scorpio breaking them up, then have her hook up with Michael and get pregnant.  MIchael is now literally related to everyone in one way or another.  It's nuts.