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While ITA with everyone about the stupidity of the writing for Dante, I have to disagree about the lack of anger at Rocco. the kid is in the hospital after almost dying. I don’t believe either Lulu or Dante will let him skate for his actions, but they’re not going to pile on the minute he wakes up after having his stomach pumped. Didn’t Lulu tell him he’s grounded as she left his room? I swear I didn’t imagine it, even if it wasn’t said in anger. If he doesn’t face any repercussions, then I’ll cry foul. But for right now, I think they’re handling it right.

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19 minutes ago, mariah23 said:

Okay what’s with the bottle Drewfus had?  My first thought was “he’s going to kill her, isn’t he?”

He told her it was a vitamin infusion to help rebuild or fix his immune system, or some such shit.

If nothing else, at least Dante apologized for his awful behavior. Though Lois can go and kick rocks.

Oh real subtle there  NuNuLooLoo. Looking forward to Tracy calling her out on her shit on Monday.

What a boring ass episode. Even if it was nice to see Ned.

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5 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

WTF is that threat? I don't know if Danny can be charged with even underage drinking. Get a grip, Dante. 

It was clear in today's episode that he had no intention of trying to charge Danny with anything/ He was trying to stress to Jason how serious this situation was when Jason was nonchalantly all "He knows he was wrong. It's not going to happen again."  It was interesting to see that Jason actually seems to care about Dante's opinion of him as a parent. Hey Jason, when Lois of all people knows more about how your son and Rocco behave together as brothers, that should be all the proof you need that you are a bad father. There was some self-awareness that he was so focused on Sonny and his health that he had no idea where his kid was or what he was doing.

3 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

I hope Lulu remembers that Danny's mother lost her life to save hers when she is setting those "boundaries."

The only person who doesn't seem to need boundaries is Rocco.

Frankly, I think that the writing totally sucks for how they handled the relationship between the kids post-Sam's death. These kids consider themselves siblings, now Dante is talking about keeping the boys from each other, like it's not enough that Scout has been separated from them.

Danny showed up on her doorstep today to apologize. They had a good, brief conversation. It's not like she went to the Q mansion and confronted him. I thought Lulu did a good job of talking with the two boys today. She didn't yell or force Danny to do anything. I liked seeing the boys working together and Danny apologizing to Rocco.

Dante seemed pleased that the boys were working together like brothers in Lulu's home. He talked to the two of them as brothers. Rocco completely owned what he did, to Danny alone and to his dad alone.  Is this leading to Lulu, Charlotte, Rocco, Danny, and Dante living together as a family in her home? Jason says the bare minimum as a father to Danny and then realizes he has to "make changes" while Lulu and Dante do the actual parenting of these boys. 

Good to see Lois apologize to Dante for implying that he's a negligent father and Dante apologizing too.

I thought for sure the psychic lady who is now Alexis and Diane's secretary was going to say something to Chase and Brook Lynn that the son she wonders about is okay and very close to her. 

Lulu, Tracy looks displeased with you.

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Just now, Bringonthedrama said:

It was clear in today's episode that he had no intention of trying to charge Danny with anything/ He was trying to stress to Jason how serious this situation was when Jason was nonchalantly all "He knows he was wrong. It's not going to happen again."

Threatening to arrest a kid for a nonexistent crime isn't the way to stress to Jason how serious the situation is. Given how often Jason has been arrested and how easily Diane gets him out, that's hardly making a point.

If Dante wants to emphasize what a nonchalant father Jason is, he should say this never would have happened if Sam were alive because Sam would know where Danny was. Jason wasn't in the same city.

And speaking of where Danny is, does Jason know he's at Dante and Lulu's?

3 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

It was interesting to see that Jason actually seems to care about Dante's opinion of him as a parent.

I agree. I think it's because Jason knows he's a crap father. And I feel like he will continue to be one because he knows there are a lot of people who'll pick up the slack. It's so gross on Jason's part that he still can't put his son first.

 

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Just now, ciarra said:

What were Chase and Brook talking about the other day, at the bar, when Chase said that there would be late night feedings?  I thought they agreed that they would be adopting an older child?  

They said that an older child wouldn't be off the table if they couldn't adopt a baby. Then again, these idiot writers can't remember from one episode to the next what they've written.

And BrookLynn is giving me shades of Pam Ewing going cuckoo when she and Bobby were told adopting a baby would take a long time. Because she also wanted a baby RIGHT.NOW.

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Welcome back, Dante, not sure what trashing you for one day achieved. 

Are they ever going to get JJ involved in an actual story? Have they even put him in a scene with Sidwell since he's been back in PC? He really needs to rejoin the police department or the WSB because being Kristina's sounding board is not cutting it. The waste of talent is killing me!

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42 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Even worse, the previews seem to indicate that Sidwell offering to buy the piers pushes Sonny to hang on to the mob even more tightly. We can't get a break either way.

I thought it was the opposite? That Mooby is willing to sell to get out of the bidnez like Ghost!NotMike was telling him? It was Jason questioning him thinking about selling to Sidwell?

And for all that Willow believes Drew, she's going around telling, insisting to everyone that Drew "didn't take Ketamine" that he "WAS drugged" and gets her back up when Curtis refuses to take Drew's side.

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I just realized we haven’t seen Olivia at all in this story. HER grandson was in the hospital but LOIS went and no one told Olivia? Was she too busy making her famous manicotti to see Rocco or even ask about him?

Willow is such a dolt. Even if Drew was drugged and doesn’t remember what he did, there’s video footage of him doing body shots on another woman. The drug may have lowered his inhibitions but it didn’t make him do that. 

Glad to see Dante acting normal today and loved how Lulu made Rocco clean the entire house S punishment. Hey Rocco, I only have a one bedroom apartment. Anytime you’d like to come down to NYC and clean it, you’re welcome 🤣

Spare me with Lois telling Jason he’s a good father. No, he’s a lousy father and he knows it. And Dante was right that Danny needs Jason to be a parent, not a buddy.

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On 5/8/2025 at 1:22 PM, blondiek237 said:

OMG--Dante, he drank too much, he didn't do heroin.  I get that he was scared, but he is over the top.  My mom (who could be president of the temperance league) wasn't that bad when I came home drunk.  I get the initial reaction, but he is still running around town saying Gio is at fault, Danny is at fault, Jason is at fault.  Get it a rest

And now (Thursday), Dante is telling Jason how to deal with his own son. So Dante has blamed Gio (who wasn't even at the party) and Lois, and Danny (who has at least a little responsibility since he was at the party with Rocco) and Jason (who is at least trying to learn how to be a parent), but not Rocco (who is a kid, after all) and himself, who has been the dad and acting dad for Rocco and Danny, and who really should have known better than just to cancel the family plans and leave the boys to entertain themselves. I'm surprised he hasn't gotten around to somehow blaming Joss and Emma who were both at the party, too.

When Sonny is offering you reasonable parenting advice, you have to figure you aren't doing as great a job as you think you are. But of course, Dante never did anything reckless as a kid - oops! He's going to feel foolish when he finds out that he got Brook Lyn pregnant after having sex with her and not thinking anything more about it. 

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1 minute ago, KittyQ said:

One more thought about Sasha's talk with Danny - she really should have pointed to her growing stomach and told him that this happened when she and the unknown (but supposedly Jason) guy had too much to drink! "Look what could happen when you drink too much to know better!"

Except that Jason told Danny that the baby wasn't his. I think?

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1 hour ago, KittyQ said:

I'm surprised he hasn't gotten around to somehow blaming Joss and Emma who were both at the party, too.

He backed off today and doesn’t know that Joss saw Danny at the party. But she SHOULD get some heat for just going along with it because she was ‘on a mission.’. She should have told him to go home or she’d call his father. 

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1 hour ago, Sake614 said:

Willow is such a dolt. Even if Drew was drugged and doesn’t remember what he did, there’s video footage of him doing body shots on another woman. The drug may have lowered his inhibitions but it didn’t make him do that. 

Actually, I think that is Drew's argument.  If he wasn't drugged he wouldn't have done what he did with Jacinda, so everything with Jacinda gets handwaved according to him logic.  And Willow is stupid enough accept it.  

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1 hour ago, KittyQ said:

 So Dante has blamed Gio (who wasn't even at the party) and Lois, and Danny (who has at least a little responsibility since he was at the party with Rocco) and Jason (who is at least trying to learn how to be a parent), but not Rocco (who is a kid, after all) and himself, who has been the dad and acting dad for Rocco and Danny, and who really should have known better than just to cancel the family plans and leave the boys to entertain themselves.

Gio was at the party. That's why Danny went to him for help getting Rocco up and back to the Q boathouse. 

Dante blamed himself for not having awareness of where Rocco and Danny were after he called Rocco, in that conversation with Sonny. I think he actually wanted/suggested that the boys go with Yuri to the Woodchucks game? But Danny said to Rocco, let's crash this party instead!

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16 hours ago, Perkie said:

It's Monica's home.  Alan gave it to her!!

 

Gio bares zero responsibility here.   Danny gets 50% for dragging Rocco to go and then abandoning him for cute girls.   Rocco gets the other 50% for drinking.  He could have left at any time.  How did they get to the party?  Uber?  Then call an Uber and go home, but instead he stayed and continued to drink.  

I partied a LOT 16-18.  It was never my responsibility to hover over my friends when they drank, and it wasn’t their responsibility to hover over me as I drank.

No one died.  No one ever got seriously hurt.  Maybe that was in part because we didn’t expect everyone else to coddle us.

2 hours ago, Perkie said:

Actually, I think that is Drew's argument.  If he wasn't drugged he wouldn't have done what he did with Jacinda, so everything with Jacinda gets handwaved according to him logic.  And Willow is stupid enough accept it.  

“…….  and Willow is stupid.”

FIFY

2 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Gio was at the party. That's why Danny went to him for help getting Rocco up and back to the Q boathouse. 

Dante blamed himself for not having awareness of where Rocco and Danny were after he called Rocco, in that conversation with Sonny. I think he actually wanted/suggested that the boys go with Yuri to the Woodchucks game? But Danny said to Rocco, let's crash this party instead!

It appears Dante’s new story arc is to run around town raving. And being a hyperbolic asshole to everyone he meets.  And if another man got up on face like Dante did to Gio, cop or no cop, i would have given  him one chance to back down before shit got real.  Especially if I had gone out of my way to help his kid.

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Was there a big time jump?  Rocco just got out of the hospital, and is now put to work doing a bunch of manual labor, after he ‘almost died’?

On 5/8/2025 at 1:13 PM, YaddaYadda said:

Who isn't yet divorced.

Indeed.  That was incredibly idiotic of her.  And I would imagine that if the public found out that he was banging his nephew’s wife, who is young enough to be his daughter, that would probably be politically worse for him than partying in public with a random unmarried woman.  
 

And does Drew ever go and do his job in DC?  Congress is in session until the summer recess.  Which is months away.

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9 hours ago, Suicidy 2.0 said:

 It was never my responsibility to hover over my friends when they drank,

Sure.  But you wouldn't have felt even a little responsible if you dragged your friend/sibling there when they didn't want to go, and once there, went off to do your own thing while the friend/sibling was left to their own devices to do stupid stuff like getting egged into drinking by older kids?  

9 hours ago, Suicidy 2.0 said:

And I would imagine that if the public found out that he was banging his nephew’s wife

Surely everyone is aware of that.  She was there for his swearing in ceremony and stood by her man after a scandal.  

9 hours ago, Suicidy 2.0 said:

Was there a big time jump?  Rocco just got out of the hospital,

No, it was the next morning.  Someone mentioned the drinking was "last night".  Eh, if you're going to drink like a fish, and get your stomach pumped, you can clean the toilets 8 hours later!!

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8 hours ago, ciarra said:

So who is Drew going to dose with the ketamine?  Curtis? 

Ooooh, hadn't thought of that, but that sounds about right.  

Also how stupid is Willow (I know, that's rhetorical at this point), that Drew explains the vial is some vitamin something something and she doesn't question the idea that his doctor is giving him vitamin something something in vial form and not in pill or liquid form.   Way to go there, NURSE Willow.  

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Sasha somehow manages to be completely right but totally unlikeable at the same time. She acts like Willow cheated on her when, in reality, Sasha slept with Willow's husband and is now carrying his baby. I thought Willow was actually being sincere in wanting to bury the hatchet and make peace for their children's sake. I hope she manages to find some kind of spine before she finds out that Sasha's baby is Michael's.  

And if she believes Drew's stupid vitamin excuse... Ma'am, you're a nurse. 

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2 hours ago, Perkie said:

No, it was the next morning.  Someone mentioned the drinking was "last night".  Eh, if you're going to drink like a fish, and get your stomach pumped, you can clean the toilets 8 hours later!!

Puts me in mind of when brother #2 came home drunk one night. My father sent him out next morning to shovel our huge driveway alone. He was barfing into the snow but had to finish. 
Of course my underage father and one of his brothers got thrown out through the screen door of a bar by the parish priest no less. They thought they were being smartasses by answering his “What are you doing here?” with “What are YOU doing here Father?” That’s when the beer wagon stopped coming to his house. My grandmother was furious. 

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15 hours ago, Sake614 said:

Hey Rocco, I only have a one bedroom apartment. Anytime you’d like to come down to NYC and clean it, you’re welcome 🤣

When he's done at your place, mine is next!

15 hours ago, KittyQ said:

[Dante's] going to feel foolish when he finds out that he got Brook Lyn pregnant after having sex with her and not thinking anything more about it. 

If BL didn't say anything, why would Dante think about it again? I'm all for accountability, but you can't take it if you don't know.

2 hours ago, Perkie said:

Also how stupid is Willow (I know, that's rhetorical at this point), that Drew explains the vial is some vitamin something something and she doesn't question the idea that his doctor is giving him vitamin something something in vial form and not in pill or liquid form.   Way to go there, NURSE Willow.  

Also, if the vitamin something is in a vial, why wouldn't the doctor have already given it to Drew? Why is he carrying it around in his pocket? Instead Willow just accepts whatever nonsense Drew spews.

2 hours ago, ljr said:

why would [Michael] see a port Charles press conference in Germany?

I can buy that Michael is keeping up with what's happening in PC online. He probably has a Google alert for anything Drew related, lol.

 

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19 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Also, if the vitamin something is in a vial, why wouldn't the doctor have already given it to Drew? Why is he carrying it around in his pocket? Instead Willow just accepts whatever nonsense Drew spews.

Girl is too far gone to see a lie when it's staring her right in the face. And you could tell that Drew had just told her a bold-faced lie.

Drew would never lie to me. We solve our problems like two adults.

Whose idea was it for her to go to that press conference? Hers or Drew's? 

Why is she crying about losing her children after the fact? 

The only people Willow seems to be able to hold her own against are the women. When it comes to men, she is a real doormat. A spineless, witless dumbass who doesn't question a single thing said man says to her.

It's a good thing Sasha told Jason that Willow went to Germany and that Michael refused to see her. At least he might call Michael and ask him what happened and talk to her.

He's the only other person she listens to.

Probably because he's a man.

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2 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

Whose idea was it for her to go to that press conference? Hers or Drew's? 

And he kissed her hand at the end of it! Yes, that's not going to be used as ammo in the (completely stupid) custody battle.

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14 hours ago, ciarra said:

So who is Drew going to dose with the ketamine?  Curtis? 

Yeah that's no vitamin infusion.  I was thinking maybe Portia?  Something will go awry tho for sure.  Willow may end up getting dosed, I don't know. 

I'm not sure what dosing someone—no matter who it is—will further Drew's agenda. He's got enough on Portia the way it is, and who cares what happens to Curtis?

I'd love it if Wiley pried off the cap and drank it, leaving him comatose, but that's too much to ask. Maybe Scout gets it, and Alexis is finally able to wrest her from her wastrel father. 

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1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

I'm not sure what dosing someone—no matter who it is—will further Drew's agenda. He's got enough on Portia the way it is, and who cares what happens to Curtis?

Petty revenge on Portia?   And Drew is still pretty bitter about Curtis not stepping down as CEO of Aurora.

He must have a plan for it, or why would he bother?

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Why would Drew show Willow the vial of ketamine at all? Why not just hide it and use it for whatever nefarious plan? This is too stupid.

5 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

The only people Willow seems to be able to hold her own against are the women. When it comes to men, she is a real doormat. A spineless, witless dumbass who doesn't question a single thing said man says to her.

Sadly, because at this point  I hate to give the show any credit at all, that is consistent with having been raised in a cult with a male leader.

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18 minutes ago, ciarra said:

She hugged him and wanted to know what was in his pocket.

At first I was afraid it was an engagement ring, so a vial of ketamine is a welcome relief, lol. It was weird that Drew was so insistent that Willow see it and know it was "vitamins." Just say it's something for work. He didn't have to take it out of his pocket. Willow is bamboozled enough to believe anything he says.

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On 5/4/2025 at 6:42 AM, 30 Helens said:

My problem with NuLu is she has two modes: coma or obsession. 

Woo I think this week proved that wrong, at least a little. Thanks for taking one for the team, Dante. And I think his ragebender this week was mostly in character, except for saying he would charge Danny with "attempted manslaughter". Lol. Lulu can be crazy obsessed but I think recently gh has done a decent job of displaying mom, compassionate, crazy, restrained, stubborn, so I'm not mad. 

It helps that she has a lot of airtime unlike her brother. I'm sure it was JJ's choice but sheesh couldn't they somehow get him to be on at least 5 times a month?

UO: the more Nina hates on Drew the more I am like "whatever" about his sins. If CM were a better actor Drew would be a blast.

Maxie is taking a long time to decide who she wants to be her best friend lol.

Chase looked very hot on Friday. Just, you know, observing.

8 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

If BL didn't say anything, why would Dante think about it again? I'm all for accountability, but you can't take it if you don't know.

Not talking to her for 9 months after they had sex? Even if she didn't return his calls? When their families apparently used each other's bathrooms in the old hood lol? If Tracy is in character at all, she'll ream him out. But she might not be, because come on, she would have totally figured that the rando cousin Lois moved in was Brook Lynn's baby after BL told her.

On 5/9/2025 at 4:22 PM, ciarra said:

What were Chase and Brook talking about the other day, at the bar, when Chase said that there would be late night feedings?  I thought they agreed that they would be adopting an older child?  

Olivia said she breast fed Dante until he was 5 so maybe Chase was thinking of a toddler who hasn't been weaned yet lol.

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On 5/8/2025 at 12:28 PM, ChicksDigScars said:

I guess we should count our blessings that we got the "his own son," wail of regret out of Lois without Gio being shot by his biological father in the chest at point blank range. Speaking of, hey Dante, let's see that scar. Oh, "what scar" you ask?

But, OF COURSE ShrewLu is figuring out everything. The Spawn of the Supercouple can never be wrong. She's to blame for Dante acting like a complete dick to Gio and having the gall to complain that Gio has been coddled his whole life, then turn around and NOT say a damn word to Rocco about consequences of his own teenage stupidity . It's being too close to her that does it. The entitled,  judgmental ShrewLu-ness evidently rubs off.

Huh? I can give you plenty of examples of Lulu being wrong, and Queen of the show, Carly, has told Lulu she is wrong because Dante is AJ or something. Speaking of AJ, he was another person Dante was a dick to in the past. And also, Lulu despised Sonny loooong after Dante eased up on him. Lulu isn't responsible for his ragebender and told him he went overboard.

 

On 5/8/2025 at 12:28 PM, ChicksDigScars said:

I guess we should count our blessings that we got the "his own son," wail of regret out of Lois without Gio being shot by his biological father in the chest at point blank range. Speaking of, hey Dante, let's see that scar. Oh, "what scar" you ask?

But, OF COURSE ShrewLu is figuring out everything. The Spawn of the Supercouple can never be wrong. She's to blame for Dante acting like a complete dick to Gio and having the gall to complain that Gio has been coddled his whole life, then turn around and NOT say a damn word to Rocco about consequences of his own teenage stupidity . It's being too close to her that does it. The entitled,  judgmental ShrewLu-ness evidently rubs off. 

 

Huh? I can give you plenty of examples of Lulu being wrong, and Queen of the show, Carly, has told Lulu she is wrong because Dante is AJ or something. Speaking of AJ, he was another person Dante was a dick to in the past. And also, Lulu despised Sonny loooong after Dante eased up on him. Lulu isn't responsible for his ragebender and told him he went overboard.

7 minutes ago, Perkie said:

Is that a vial of Ketamine in your pocket or are you just happy to see me.  

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On 5/9/2025 at 1:05 PM, ciarra said:

But don't we need to learn that Jason is awesome?  And we do that by Dante, a rational character, completely going off the rails. 

But Rocco almost died and his girlfriend...I mean...sigh...beloved fiancée, Sam, died after a surgery that usually goes ok. Yes it turns out she was murdered but I guess the trauma lingered or whatever. The only thing I said come on this is ridiculous now is him threatening Danny with arrest.

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11 hours ago, ulkis said:

It helps that she has a lot of airtime unlike her brother. I'm sure it was JJ's choice but sheesh couldn't they somehow get him to be on at least 5 times a month?

Don't think there will be much change in the near future re JJ on the show.  Yesterday, I saw a video with Charles Esten following his Opry appearance.  His "Nashville" cast members were there (including JJ) and Charles announced they are going to do another tour across the pond this summer.     (Why can't they do one in the US? I'd love to see them.)

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