Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[Perkie]

1 hour ago, tessaray said:

this isn't even about Rocco

Poor Rocco, never gets his own story.  Pseudo mom Sam is murdered and the story is about Jason/Cyrus.   Real mom comes out of her coma and the story is about finding Charlotte.  He drinks himself into poisoning and the story is about Dante and Gio.  Eeeesh!!

[dubbel zout]

Dante and Lulu might be mad, but they certainly haven't aimed any of that at Rocco yet. Rocco might feel badly about drinking to much, and I get his parents are relieved he's okay, but neither of those things should mean he doesn't get a serious talking-to by the people who need to give it to him. Talk about being coddled.

Why would Rocco think that his parents being angry means they don't love him? That point was made by Laura as well as Dante.

2 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Alexis, PLEASE stop being a coward. I'm begging you. 

Seriously. It's so painful to watch. If she'd had more guts during the surrogacy mess, maybe things wouldn't have devolved into this.

Only the town goats have to deal with consequences for their actions, and it's so tiresome to watch everyone else skate.

[statsgirl]

We finally find out why Dalton is nefarious -- testing on "higher animals". How is this anything to do environmental physics. 

And did the university have no idea that Dalton was doing this research? Because at top universities Investigators have to pass an ethical review before they can do the research. And the WSB can't break into Dalton's lab and stop anything unethical themselves. This is a ridiculous storyline written by people who have no idea of university research.

I get it that Dante is upset about Rocco but why hasn't he talked to Rocco before about drinking responsibly?  And what does Danti think is going to happen on the debate trip? Those high school students are going to behave like adults?  I remember our grade 12 school trip to New York and how many kids got drunk there.

Oh Alexis, just tell Kristina already that  you know about her cutting the brake line and stop treating her like an imbecile.

[KittyQ]

Just in time for Mother's Day, there are several examples of mothers who aren't that great. Who is the worst?

• Alexis - who knows her daughter tried to kill someone and is unstable, and who still can't bring herself to confront her with reality
• Whoever Kai's mom is - can't be bothered to return from Europe for her son's iffy surgery
• Lulu - has not been paying any attention to Rocco because she's been so focused on a) Charlotte (who is now offscreen) and b) Dante's "unknown" son with Brooklyn; why pay attention to the kid who is actually there, when you can worry about one that's absent and one that's hypothetical?
• Lois - who didn't tell her daughter about the in-family adoption and didn't tell her daughter's dad about it either, keeping the secret from almost everyone for 20+ years
• Carly - who dashes off to take care of Sonny at the drop of a hat, and has decades of examples when she hasn't put her kids first
• Nina - who conspired with Portia (another mom of the year) to sabotage her daughter's (pretty bad) relationship by running a scam that even the most dopey TV character can see through
• Portia - sticking her nose into someone else's business (Kai's and Willow's) while not paying enough attention to her actual job
• Anyone else??

[dubbel zout]

For me, Lulu and Alexis tie for first place. Kai's mom is at the bottom of the list. I'm fine never seeing her.

[PatsyandEddie]

I would add Willow to the list. Her husband has life altering injuries which would frighten her children but she allies herself to get so socialized by his uncle that she moves in with said uncle and lets him tell her what to do. 

5 minutes ago, PatsyandEddie said:

I would add Willow to the list. Her husband has life altering injuries which would frighten her children but she allows herself to get so socialized by his uncle that she moves in with said uncle and lets him tell her what to do. 

 

[sashabear21]

I guess they had to go the alcohol poisoning route because there’s really no way they can ever responsibly tell another drunk driving story on this show.

[Bringonthedrama]

52 minutes ago, KittyQ said:

Just in time for Mother's Day, there are several examples of mothers who aren't that great. Who is the worst?

• Carly - who dashes off to take care of Sonny at the drop of a hat, and has decades of examples when she hasn't put her kids first

ALWAYS!  Her second child Morgan is presumed dead because of a Mob world car bomb. Her first child was shot in the head as a tween, while standing near Sonny. Yet she still re-married him. As an adult, her first child literally caught on fire from an explosion meant for Sonny and is recovering from severe burns. Yet still Carly and Sonny are all "you can't get rid of me" to each other. Her third child shot someone to death and she has no idea. Her youngest child took "daddy's vitamins" without asking and didn't want to share, which resulted in a trip to the hospital to have her stomach pumped. She was rewarded with popsicles.

Right now, Lois gets my award for second worst mother for lying to her daughter's and son-in-law's faces every day (including today, about why she's so upset re: Gio and Dante), lying to everyone else including Gio, and bashing the other half of her daughter's family while living in their home as a freeloader. Lois is delusional if she genuinely thinks Brook Lynn wouldn't want to know her son is doing fine and living right there in her own home. Lois is protecting herself and Gloria.

Lulu has had a scene with Rocco in her new home since she moved in (they hugged and he told her he does want to spend time there) and he was in Lulu's house with Danny when Dante told them to go clean up their mess in the Q boat house. He hasn't been seen a lot on-screen prior to this plot point, but we know from a few scenes and dialogue in various episodes that he has been spending time with his mom consistently.

Edited May 7 by Bringonthedrama

[CeChase]

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

Dante and Lulu might be mad, but they certainly haven't aimed any of that at Rocco yet. Rocco might feel badly about drinking to much, and I get his parents are relieved he's okay, but neither of those things should mean he doesn't get a serious talking-to by the people who need to give it to him. Talk about being coddled.

Why would Rocco think that his parents being angry means they don't love him? That point was made by Laura as well as Dante.

Seriously. It's so painful to watch. If she'd had more guts during the surrogacy mess, maybe things wouldn't have devolved into this.

Only the town goats have to deal with consequences for their actions, and it's so tiresome to watch everyone else skate.

Exactly!  Dante has some nerve screeching about someone else being coddled.  He is acting like such a prick.

and sorry, guess I'm old, but in no way is a 21 yo an adult to me, not for that kind of responsibility or judgement.   Dante screaming at a kid was sickening.  Any good parent would wait until they knew Rocco was out of danger, and then ground him for 60 days.  It's what I'd do.  Mind your own children, fool. 

[YaddaYadda]

6 minutes ago, CeChase said:

Exactly!  Dante has some nerve screeching about someone else being coddled.  He is acting like such a prick.

He is. And he kept doing it after Rocco basically absolved Gio after he asked him what happened. His insistence on blaming Gio is him coddling Rocco.

Rocco fucked up. Teenagers will do that. If Gio hadn't been there to help Danny, odds are Rocco is dead or in a coma or whatever.

[dubbel zout]

3 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

And he kept doing it after Rocco basically absolved Gio after he asked him what happened.

It's bad soap, to boot. The only reason Dante is being written like this is to make the dumb reveal that much more dramatic. 

It cracked me up when Dante rather exasperatedly told Lulu that BL wasn't to blame for everything bad when Lulu asked if BL went easy on Gio when he was growing up. I don't quite get the point of that question—does she think BL lied about not knowing where/who her kid is? 

If Lulu does figure out who Gio is before the secret comes out (please, Show, make this happen SOON), I wonder if she'll go after Lois with any of the heat she's been going after BL. Lois is much more in the wrong here.

[Fellaway]

That whole thing with Dante and Gio was an outstanding example of bad writing. But seriously. Out of character for Dante and, since he's been on this show, when have they ever shown Gio to be anything but a fine, generous, upstanding young man? If he's the result of being coddled and never held responsible, may all parents coddle and never hold responsible their kids.

Writers, if this was your attempt to make the inevitable reveal that Dante is Gio's father that much more emotional, do better. But seriously.

 

[statsgirl]

6 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I don't quite get the point of that question—does she think BL lied about not knowing where/who her kid is? 

That would be logical, that she thinks that BL lied and really knows that Gio is her and Dante's son.

But logic and Lulu aren't really best buds.

[dubbel zout]

14 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

That would be logical, that she thinks that BL lied and really knows that Gio is her and Dante's son.

Except Lulu knows that BL had no idea her baby was a boy. BL isn't that good of an actor to fake the anguish when Lulu told her that.

14 minutes ago, Fellaway said:

Out of character for Dante and, since he's been on this show, when have they ever shown Gio to be anything but a fine, generous, upstanding young man?

What's going to happen when the truth is finally out? Will Dante do an about-face and think Gio was suddenly not OMG TEH EVUL!!1! for not doing more for Rocco? 

Ugh, it's all so dumb.

Edited May 7 by dubbel zout

[statsgirl]

The thing that I dislike the most, other than the stupidity of the writing, is that they are ruining Dante for this. He was always the sane, steady one on the show and now he's irrational and judgemental.

4 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

What's going to happen when the truth is finally out? Will Dante do an about-face and think Gio was suddenly not OMG TEH EVUL!!1! for not doing more for Rocco? 

One slight subtlety is that Gio said today that now he knows what Dante really thinks of him. So even if Dante does a 180, Gio better not.

[Sake614]

Lois is trash in so many ways but she wasn’t wrong when she said that most other college kids would’ve laughed and let Rocco ‘sleep it off ‘ on the beach without intervening. Danny went and found Gio for help when he couldn’t wake Rocco. Gio took them home. Should he have called Dante or Lulu, or at least a responsible adult? Of course. But he did try to help. He had no way of knowing how bad Rocco was or how much he’d drank. 

The only one truly responsible for Rocco’s condition is Rocco. And I’ll throw some blame at Danny for not only talking him into going to the party but leaving him alone. But ultimately it’s on Rocco. He’s a kid and felt out of place so when the older boys asked about joining a drinking game, he said yes. I get it,but he still has to take responsibility for his own actions. 

[Perkie]

37 minutes ago, Sake614 said:

Should he have called Dante or Lulu, or at least a responsible adult?

The other problem here is that Dante is acting like Gio dumped Rocco in the boathouse and took off.  Or that hours and hours went by while Gio wasn't paying attention to Rocco.   Gio stuck around and Cody showed up almost immediately and sort of took over as the one taking care of Rocco, which is why he noticed he was breathing poorly.   

If the writing is going to be this way, then at least have it match what happened onscreen so that viewers aren't wondering why one of the sweetest and most stable characters on the show is suddenly losing his mind on the second sweetest kid on the show.  

 

[ljr]

I don’t understand this joss  / Emma story. Is Emma a secret agent? 
what does Anna have to do with this  mission?

what is the teacher doing making some kind of plague/virus that will lockdown port Charles?

[JMO]

Just awful.  I would a thousand times rather have a character-driven show than a plot-driven show, and I especially dislike being given a character assassination to move a plot point.  The writers owe Dante a big apology.

If they hadn't telegraphed and then revealed Gio's parentage, maybe Dante could have had his rant and we could all have attributed it to displaced emotion over the loss of Sam. I'm kind of hoping they'll still do that.  But we all know it's plot driven, and poor DZ had trouble selling it.  

Also---if late 20s Dante was around Gio enough to be annoyed about how Lois and Gloria were raising him after he was orphaned, why do they have such a superficial relationship?  And while I'm thinking of it---have we had any scenes of Gio talking with Rocco and/or Danny about his own experience of losing a parent at an age just a few years younger than they are?  I just don't remember.

I like the friendship being formed between Emma and Joss.  Surprisingly, it's making me like each of them a little better.  

[PatsyandEddie]

3 hours ago, PatsyandEddie said:

NM

[statsgirl]

15 minutes ago, ljr said:

I don’t understand this joss  / Emma story. Is Emma a secret agent? 
what does Anna have to do with this  mission?

what is the teacher doing making some kind of plague/virus that will lockdown port Charles?

Joss is the Secret Agent (who doesn't know why she's doing what she's doing). Emma is an animal rights protester who got kicked out of her previous college for trying to sabotage what Dalton is doing in animal testing and followed him to Port Charles to try to save the animals. Emma was trying to explain to Joss why Dalton is a bad guy and then Joss was able to explain in to Vaughan. Brennan really is following Disraeli's maxim of "never explain".

Anne is not involved except that her (long dormant) spider senses started tingling when she heard that Dalton had been at Emma's former university.

And no, I don't understand it either. There is no need to test this sort of thing on the higher animals. At least the bioweapon on Will Trent last night made some sort of sense.

Edited May 8 by statsgirl

[KerleyQ]

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

What's going to happen when the truth is finally out? Will Dante do an about-face and think Gio was suddenly not OMG TEH EVUL!!1! for not doing more for Rocco? 

Well, Dante does have a history of forgiving a whole hell of a lot once he finds out he has a biological connection to the person.  Even shooting him in the chest is bygones once he discovers that shared DNA. 

[Grinaldi]

I think Dante's freakout is explainable. In the last year he lost Sam, nearly lost Lulu and his father is currently in a cardiac ward. Going in on Gio is obviously a stupid plot point to set up the reveal but I buy that his anger and terror would bubble up and he would lash out.

But that's why this is such a bad story. Both Dante and Gio should easily forgive each other in a few days. The ultimate reveal is going to give us days of stories. The reveal of Carly as Bobbie's daughter gave us years of stories and fundamentally changed the canvas. Sam and Alexis was far less wide ranging but it still had a real impact on both characters going forward. This will be a blip and other than a small dilution of everyone's ELQ shares, the only fallout will be anger at Lois who is so irrelevant to the canvas she's practically a red shirt.

BTG is owning GH's ass in the drama department right now. It's tine for a radical change in the writer's room. Korte knows this show but the lack of stakes or conflict is a real problem.  A lot of these stories are feeling like fanfic at this point. Gio is so flat and without fault he feels like a Mary Sue. I miss Mulcahey. Hell I miss Guza and Carlivati. Another couple months of this gruel and I'm going to miss McTavish. 

[Sake614]

6 minutes ago, Grinaldi said:

Another couple months of this gruel and I'm going to miss McTavish

Oh hell no! That’s a bridge WAY too far.  I will NEVER miss that show killer!

Edited May 8 by Sake614

[Bringonthedrama]

3 hours ago, Sake614 said:

Lois is trash in so many ways but she wasn’t wrong when she said that most other college kids would’ve laughed and let Rocco ‘sleep it off ‘ on the beach without intervening. Danny went and found Gio for help when he couldn’t wake Rocco. Gio took them home. Should he have called Dante or Lulu, or at least a responsible adult? Of course. But he did try to help. He had no way of knowing how bad Rocco was or how much he’d drank. 

She really is. Her line that she and Gloria were there for Gio when his parents couldn't be ... hard for Dante to be there for his son when he didn't know he existed, because of Brook Lynn and especially you lying to him! It's double b.s. because Lois and Gloria have led Gio to believe his dad was a service member who died before he was born. He has never had a father.

Lois clearly thinks that after her cousin died, she and Gloria raised Gio to be an adult who is incapable of lying or bad judgement. I saw Dante getting angrier because Lois followed them after Dante said "private", kept interjecting and defending Gio. She literally won't allow Dante to doubt his word or say anything against him. Lois is outraged that Dante won't just take Gio's word on faith, because she always will and she secretly knows that Gio is his son. She wasn't present on scene to actually know what happened and neither was Dante, so her antagonizing Dante didn't help matters. All she did was escalate the situation when she felt attacked for "coddling" Gio.  

Dante has a need to hold someone from that party, older than a teenager, accountable for his son drinking (esp. after not getting justice with Cyrus), and so at the moment he is blaming Gio for poor judgement. Lois has a need not to feel guilty and like she's an excellent "aunt" aka secret grandmother, so she is all "poor Gio, Dante you're a bad parent/weren't there for Rocco" as she walks away.

Edited May 8 by Bringonthedrama

[Cheyanne11]

Speaking of goofy plot points, I laughed at the UCG of Lulu having to leave herself a voice note reminder to "find out where Lois was when Gio was born."  I would think that wouldn't be something she'd forget, given she's been like a dog with a bone about this whole adoption secret.

[DanaK]

6 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Good Grief.

Just like on...Monday? I had two interruptions by XXXX about the 2027 NFL drafts. Like, why? How is that breaking news?

Fortunately no interruption for me but the show is at 2pm ET where I live

[KittyQ]

46 minutes ago, Grinaldi said:

I think Dante's freakout is explainable. In the last year he lost Sam, nearly lost Lulu and his father is currently in a cardiac ward

That would be the father who tried to kill him by shooting him in the chest - still, Dante forgave him, and IMO that's worse than not immediately calling for an ambulance for a seriously drunk teenager. For a cop, Dante doesn't seem to wait to get all the facts of things before drawing a conclusion. 

(My edit in the quote)

[GHScorpiosRule]

11 minutes ago, DanaK said:

Fortunately no interruption for me but the show is at 2pm ET where I live

Same for me. It made no sense.

[Sake614]

If ABC plans to interrupt every time there ISN’T a new pope, there are likely going to be a whole lot of interruptions. ‘oh look, black smoke! Better interrupt programming and tell everyone we still don’t have a pope!’ 🙄

[sashabear21]

Well Dante is definitely Sonny's son because they both like spaghetti and misplaced anger.  I know Dante's had a rough year but he came off like a real ass. Gio's a college kid who was legitimately trying to help and with his limited experience with drunken partygoers probably figured that if Rocco wasn't projectile vomiting everywhere that he was probably okay and didn't know to look for other signs. A lot of adults wouldn't even know to look for other signs, "Oh he's breathing funny? Yeah he's passed out drunk, he's gonna wake up tomorrow and wonder what truck hit him, make sure we got tomato juice".  Rocco's learned a valuable lesson (that drinking games are dumb) and I'm glad Laura was realistic with him.  At the end of the day what happened is ultimately on Rocco, next time he goes to a party and doesn't know that many people he should just do what I do and go find the cat. 

I really need Alexis to go on a Phoebe Buffay truth telling style session with her two daughters or barring that she can slap them all the way to the moon, and I'd be okay with that too. Molly can come back, but Kristina needs to orbit space for a good long while.  

[KerleyQ]

I hope there is no quarter for Lois when the truth comes out.  BLQ, Gio, Dante, Ned, Olivia, Tracy... Hell, we'd better even get a reference to Monica refusing to see her. 

As for this Dante/Gio conflict, because, of course, there must be conflict between every about to be revealed parent/child relationship, it's flimsy.  Gio becoming all hardened and not accepting Dante's eventual apology would be stupid.  Dante was out of line, but he was freaked out. And he's almost certainly right about how much Lois and her mother babied him, because they knew he's their grandson/great-grandson, and they were happy to bring him back into the fold and raise him while simultaneously feeling guilty that they couldn't tell him or anyone else who he really is. So they spoiled the shit out of him because they thought it would make up for that, somehow. Once they took him in, though, they should have been honest with BLQ about who he was.  Because a baby she didn't see and thought was being adopted by a couple she didn't know, when she was a teenager, is an entirely different situation than a 12 year old whose only parent just died when she's around 30-ish. 

Also, it will be equally stupid if Dante doesn't apologize to Gio once he knows the truth.  

For a second, I couldn't figure out what they were going for with Cody seeing Ava's high end credit card, but then I remembered he's been hanging around with Molly, and Molly finding out Ava is suddenly living large again will get her curious about what's happening there. 

2 hours ago, Sake614 said:

If ABC plans to interrupt every time there ISN’T a new pope, there are likely going to be a whole lot of interruptions. ‘oh look, black smoke! Better interrupt programming and tell everyone we still don’t have a pope!’ 🙄

Can't they just come up with a little black smoke animation to play across the bottom corner of the screen or something?  

Edited May 8 by KerleyQ

[YaddaYadda]

10 hours ago, JMO said:

But we all know it's plot driven, and poor DZ had trouble selling it.  

Yeah. Because Dante is a reasonable and reasoned person. I could count the number of times he raised his voice on the fingers of one hand and I'm sure he was right about it.

This is just really bad.

[CeChase]

8 hours ago, sashabear21 said:

Well Dante is definitely Sonny's son because they both like spaghetti and misplaced anger.  I know Dante's had a rough year but he came off like a real ass. Gio's a college kid who was legitimately trying to help and with his limited experience with drunken partygoers probably figured that if Rocco wasn't projectile vomiting everywhere that he was probably okay and didn't know to look for other signs. A lot of adults wouldn't even know to look for other signs, "Oh he's breathing funny? Yeah he's passed out drunk, he's gonna wake up tomorrow and wonder what truck hit him, make sure we got tomato juice".  Rocco's learned a valuable lesson (that drinking games are dumb) and I'm glad Laura was realistic with him.  At the end of the day what happened is ultimately on Rocco, next time he goes to a party and doesn't know that many people he should just do what I do and go find the cat. 

I really need Alexis to go on a Phoebe Buffay truth telling style session with her two daughters or barring that she can slap them all the way to the moon, and I'd be okay with that too. Molly can come back, but Kristina needs to orbit space for a good long while.  

Honestly I don't think I would know if someone had alcohol poisoning.  They are lucky Cody came in because you can tell Cody has experience with everything related to alcohol.  I drink, but not like that.  The only thing I would have done differently than Gio is call his parents.  That comes from true maturity, and you can't expect that from a 21 yo college kid, sorry.  Gio did the best he could, and better than most his age would have. 

[YaddaYadda]

10 hours ago, Grinaldi said:

BTG is owning GH's ass in the drama department right now. It's tine for a radical change in the writer's room. Korte knows this show but the lack of stakes or conflict is a real problem.  A lot of these stories are feeling like fanfic at this point. Gio is so flat and without fault he feels like a Mary Sue. I miss Mulcahey. Hell I miss Guza and Carlivati. Another couple months of this gruel and I'm going to miss McTavish. 

Yes, it is. The Ted secret and the fallout that's just starting has been pretty riveting. And imagine that, Guza and Carlivati are both working there. 

I hope that MvJ is good at keep those two on a leesh.

This Gio thing is just so stupid. And Lulu making a note to find out where Lois was when Gio was born was all kinds of dumb too. But it's something I've come to expect from Girl Reporter. Who is she going to ask? Lois isn't going to tell her sweet fuck all.

[CeChase]

8 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

I hope there is no quarter for Lois when the truth comes out.  BLQ, Gio, Dante, Ned, Olivia, Tracy... Hell, we'd better even get a reference to Monica refusing to see her. 

As for this Dante/Gio conflict, because, of course, there must be conflict between every about to be revealed parent/child relationship, it's flimsy.  Gio becoming all hardened and not accepting Dante's eventual apology would be stupid.  Dante was out of line, but he was freaked out. And he's almost certainly right about how much Lois and her mother babied him, because they knew he's their grandson/great-grandson, and they were happy to bring him back into the fold and raise him while simultaneously feeling guilty that they couldn't tell him or anyone else who he really is. So they spoiled the shit out of him because they thought it would make up for that, somehow. Once they took him in, though, they should have been honest with BLQ about who he was.  Because a baby she didn't see and thought was being adopted by a couple she didn't know, when she was a teenager, is an entirely different situation than a 12 year old whose only parent just died when she's around 30-ish. 

Dante is a mama's boy himself, who is he kidding?  Also, he didn't just lose his temper about what happened to Rocco, he went all in and attacked Gio's whole character.  Gio was right when he said that what Dante revealed is that he has no respect for Gio at all.  So I disagree that Gio should be like bygones.  When you get in an argument with someone, and you end up going way too far and below the belt, and attack their whole character, you cross a line.  I know low-fighters like that, I have a cousin like that.  I don't speak to her and haven't in years.  These are the consequences and it's about time mama's boy Dante finds out about consequences. 

[dubbel zout]

10 hours ago, Grinaldi said:

I think Dante's freakout is explainable. In the last year he lost Sam, nearly lost Lulu and his father is currently in a cardiac ward. Going in on Gio is obviously a stupid plot point to set up the reveal but I buy that his anger and terror would bubble up and he would lash out.

The problem is Dante is going so hard at Gio. He bawled him out twice at GH, even after hearing that Gio had no idea Rocco was at the party until Danny found Gio. 

But plot points gotta plot point.

21 minutes ago, CeChase said:

Dante is a mama's boy himself, who is he kidding? 

Excellent point. I'm pretty sure Dante got some coddling from the neighborhood himself. 

It's all so stupid!!

[Perkie]

11 hours ago, Grinaldi said:

Going in on Gio is obviously a stupid plot point to set up the reveal but I buy that his anger and terror would bubble up and he would lash out.

Sure, in the initial waiting room.   But to drag him off by himself into a seperate area to continue to yell at him and threaten to charge him with who knows what is a bridge too far.  

 

57 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Who is she going to ask? Lois isn't going to tell her sweet fuck all.

Lulu:  "Hey, Brook Lynn where did you deliver your male child?"

BLQ:  In California, why?  

Lulu:  <remembering Gio saying he was born in LA>  

And that's all it would take.   But in reality, BLQ would tell her to eff off, and rightfully so.  Or BLQ would tell her and Lulu would forget that she was there when Gio said he was born in LA "while my mom was on tour".  

[GHScorpiosRule]

While Dante was all kinds of bonkers, I thought Lois was much, much worse. She was so vile, and that line about Dante failing to be there for Rocco? You freeloading ass, Dante didn't even KNOW to be there! Is he supposed to be psychic now? Shut your trap and just go back to Bensonhoirst to your Maaaaaa.

That said, this is all on Rocco. Rocco, who told Danny he didn't plan on doing any drinking whatsoever. Famous last words, because peer pressure is still a thing, and teens gonna teen.

From what I can remember, while Olivia raised Dante on her own, Dante also had his uncles to make him tow the line if he stepped off. I mean, when he showed up in Port Charles, with a righteous HATE for Mooby, there was nothing there that screamed "Mama's Boy!" to me; then again, he was supposed to be in his early 20s. And Gio is barely 21. But we also got the line how when uncles would try to discipline him, Gloria and Lois would "swoop in" and swaddle him in cotton, or whatever. I've lived that. With my younger sister, so I can see where Dante is coming from.

But it's all so plot pointy and stoopid. But par for the course for this show. While Cujo, in her delusional mind (oh, the HORRORS! She was ADOPTED!!!!), set off to find Bobbie to ruin her life, it's not the same with Dante and Gio; nor is it the same with Alexis and Sam. And the fallout with Bobbie, Tony, and Cujo, was so much BETTER, because we had a better showrunner, producer, and writers. THAT makes all the difference. Same with the Alexis and Sam reveal, even though that was under Guzasshole, it was still better, with all that retconning.

And apparently, Ava and Ric both think that the Cassadine Estate is one where the money will never run out? it's ridiculous, and I'm tired of all the Deer-in=the-headlights look in Alexis's eyes and just want to stop the blackmail and throw the truth in Kristina's face, because all those hints went over the Deranged One's head yesterday. And the only reason I can think of for Molly's adamant support of Kristina is for it all to implode when the truth comes out.

And frankly, after the fourth or fifth time Rocco said how he was stupid with the inference that maybe his parents don't love him anymore cuz they're "so mad" had me rolling my eyes.

 

[rur]

10 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

Can't they just come up with a little black smoke animation to play across the bottom corner of the screen or something?  

Probably any other network would consider it, but ABC is the worst of the bunch at breaking in and going on and on about not-so-big stories. Whenever there's a network interruption, I immediately check the other 3 big networks to see if they're covering the story. Often, they aren't. Sometimes they've got a scroll across the bottom of the screen. When they are coverig it, they return to regularly scheduled programs more quickly, and the ABC talking heads blather on. 

[dubbel zout]

32 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

You freeloading ass, Dante didn't even KNOW to be there! Is he supposed to be psychic now?

I thought Lois had a point there. Dante and the boys were supposed to go to the Woodchucks game and something came up so they couldn't. That's why the kids ended up at the beach. But did Dante check they were at home or ask them if they were going to do something else? I don't remember if he did.

33 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

And frankly, after the fourth or fifth time Rocco said how he was stupid with the inference that maybe his parents don't love him anymore cuz they're "so mad" had me rolling my eyes.

I still want to know how this leap was made. Maybe Rocco has been coddled if he can't deal with his parents being mad at him? Ever think about that, Dante and Lulu?

[YaddaYadda]

1 hour ago, Perkie said:

Lulu:  "Hey, Brook Lynn where did you deliver your male child?"

BLQ:  In California, why?  

Lulu:  <remembering Gio saying he was born in LA>  

Actually BL did tell Lulu that she gave birth in SF. I thought she clicked when Gio said he was born in LA.

But no. Can't have high expectations of Lulu. She'll probably stumble on a video confession by Lois, or something, then wonder what it means.

[GHScorpiosRule]

10 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

But did Dante check they were at home or ask them if they were going to do something else? I don't remember if he did.

I don't think he did. I think Dante called Rocco and told him that they couldn't go to the game? And Danny said, great, let's go to the beach party. The next scene was Dante at Lulu's. I think this was after Chase laid into Dante. They all blur, so I'm not sure.

11 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I still want to know how this leap was made. Maybe Rocco has been coddled if he can't deal with his parents being mad at him? Ever think about that, Dante and Lulu?

Same. While mostly offscreen, and I always fastfowarded when Dante was with Sam because I found them boring and didn't like them together, for my own reasons, I can't imagine Dante never getting angry with Rocco. Then again, he and Danny, and Aidan were SORAS'd, so there you go. Because Rocco was still wee when Lulu went into a coma.

[sacrebleu]

3 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

And Lulu making a note to find out where Lois was when Gio was born was all kinds of dumb too. But it's something I've come to expect from Girl Reporter. Who is she going to ask? Lois isn't going to tell her sweet fuck all.

Not just stupid because how could Girl Reporter find that info, but also  the fact that she had to give herself a REMINDER like, Dante and BrookLynn's baby isn't the only thing she's got going on now that Charlotte is back under her roof 

( Her kid collecting Fixation is approaching Carly-esque levels)

[boes]

I hope Dante yells at Joss the way he yelled at Gio when he finds out she knew Danny was there and superspy should have inferred Rocco was there as well.

But somehow I doubt he will.  Or anyone will.  If anyone ever even finds that out.

ETA - did you all see that Joss's handler, whatshiname, was wearing a shirt with the WSB spelled out on it?  Does the WSB have a gift shop where you can pick up merchandise, like an Alcatraz hat??  Or does he change into WSB clothing before meeting with Brennen because?????

I want to see him in total WSB drag, and soon.

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[KerleyQ]

3 hours ago, CeChase said:

Dante is a mama's boy himself, who is he kidding?  Also, he didn't just lose his temper about what happened to Rocco, he went all in and attacked Gio's whole character.  Gio was right when he said that what Dante revealed is that he has no respect for Gio at all.  So I disagree that Gio should be like bygones.  When you get in an argument with someone, and you end up going way too far and below the belt, and attack their whole character, you cross a line.  I know low-fighters like that, I have a cousin like that.  I don't speak to her and haven't in years.  These are the consequences and it's about time mama's boy Dante finds out about consequences. 

I admittedly wasn't paying full attention, but I thought Dante didn't say the really bad shit about him until after Gio had left, and it was just him and Lois arguing. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

Just now, KerleyQ said:

I admittedly wasn't paying full attention, but I thought Dante didn't say the really bad shit about him until after Gio had left, and it was just him and Lois arguing. 

He did. Gio had already left, though he let Dante unload on him about not being responsible-ever. And the lines about Gloria and Lois running to save Gio from the meanie uncles was after Gio left.

[Bringonthedrama]

2 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

While Dante was all kinds of bonkers, I thought Lois was much, much worse. She was so vile, and that line about Dante failing to be there for Rocco? You freeloading ass, Dante didn't even KNOW to be there!

From what I can remember, while Olivia raised Dante on her own, Dante also had his uncles to make him tow the line if he stepped off. I mean, when he showed up in Port Charles, with a righteous HATE for Mooby, there was nothing there that screamed "Mama's Boy!" to me; then again, he was supposed to be in his early 20s. And Gio is barely 21. But we also got the line how when uncles would try to discipline him, Gloria and Lois would "swoop in" and swaddle him in cotton, or whatever. 

Yes, Lois was vile! Dante sent the boys to the Q boathouse to clean up their mess and while they were there, he was having the conversation with Lulu about the hostility between her and Brook Lynn and Chase.

You are correct. Dant just told Lulu (after Lois stalked away in anger) that when he was out of line, his uncles and his mom held him accountable.  When Gio was out of line, Lois's brothers tried to discipline him/hold him accountable but Lois and Gloria would always "swoop in."

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

I thought Lois had a point there. Dante and the boys were supposed to go to the Woodchucks game and something came up so they couldn't. That's why the kids ended up at the beach. But did Dante check they were at home or ask them if they were going to do something else? I don't remember if he did.

I still want to know how this leap was made. Maybe Rocco has been coddled if he can't deal with his parents being mad at him? Ever think about that, Dante and Lulu?

Dante told Lulu they shouldn't go to the Woodchucks game because he just saw how openly hostile Chase is to Lulu and heard that Brook Lynn is really, really angry and upset that Lulu is writing a story about adoption. It sounds like they were going to go to the Woodchucks game with Brook Lynn and Chase and maybe some other Qs. 

Dante then called Rocco as he and Danny were finishing cleaning up their mess in the Q boathouse, to say we're not going to the game. I think he suggested Yuri could take them to the game? Danny then got excited and said hey, we can go crash this party instead. Dante must have thought the kids were still on the Q property because they certainly didn't ask for permission from parents to go to the party.

Rocco has only been parented in his teen years by both Lulu and Dante for a few months now. The feeling of seeing them together for him is still new and fragile.

1 hour ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

 I think Dante called Rocco and told him that they couldn't go to the game? And Danny said, great, let's go to the beach party. The next scene was Dante at Lulu's. I think this was after Chase laid into Dante. They all blur, so I'm not sure.

 Because Rocco was still wee when Lulu went into a coma.

You are correct.

Edited May 8 by Bringonthedrama

[nilyank]

6 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

You are correct. Dant just told Lulu (after Lois stalked away in anger) that when he was out of line, his uncles and his mom held him accountable.  When Gio was out of line, Lois's brothers tried to discipline him/hold him accountable but Lois and Gloria would always "swoop in."

It would be one thing if Gio was entitled jerk who takes everything and everyone for granted. But he is not.

He is hardworking and talented college who is dedicated to his talent for the violin, his studies and that people that he cares about. It would be so easy if he just squatted himself at the Q mansion but we see him kind and considerate to almost anyone he meets. When he is not in schoo, practicing the violin, he has worked at the metro court pool and supporting his friends.

And Dante should know this about Gio because as he said he has known Gio since he was a baby and has been living in the same home with him since Sam’s death.

[dubbel zout]

26 minutes ago, nilyank said:

And Dante should know this about Gio because as he said he has known Gio since he was a baby and has been living in the same home with him since Sam’s death.

Yeah, coddled or not, Gio has shown himself to be decent—a younger Dante, if you will. *ahem*

But as always, plot point gotta plot point.