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21 minutes ago, KittyQ said:

Why isn't Kai consulting his parents or another doctor?

Kai mentioned to Trina today he had a long talk with his parents about the surgery. And Portia did look over the research about the surgery. Kai is over 18, so it's his decision to make, however reckless. I am legit wondering if they'll have the surgery be a success, so Drew also gets a win, or if it will fail and Drew takes the L. Or it's a success and Kai is so anxious to get back on the field he does something that messes up his shoulder for good. 

23 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Not gonna lie, on top of always enjoying the Ric/Alexis scenes, I extra enjoyed him sticking it to her with that parting shot of her stealing from a child to protect her crazy daughter.

Their scenes were so fun to watch. It was great that Ric knew as soon as he saw Alexis that she knew about Kristina. I was also relieved he told her he knew sooner rather than later. For me it's enough that Ric knows about Ava's blackmail of Alexis. He doesn't need to drag that out. His other points—Molly needs to know once and for all that Alexis will always cover for Kristina; Alexis is stealing from a child to protect—are better, IMO. Though I doubt Ace will ever be out on the streets, heh.

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31 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Not gonna lie, on top of always enjoying the Ric/Alexis scenes, I extra enjoyed him sticking it to her with that parting shot of her stealing from a child to protect her crazy daughter.

Ava learned nothing from being in the poor house for that hot 5 seconds. She's buying a car she has no business owning. But that gold outfit was hilarious.

Didn't care about the rest. 

I am no Ric fan, but given how Alexis has been acting, it was great to see him spell things out to her. She (and Kristina) think that hiding Kristina's attempt to murder someone will help their family dynamic somehow. What could possibly go wrong with that??? Even the most innocuous secrets have a way of getting revealed at some point, and as someone else on the thread pointed out, it isn't the crime, it's the coverup that is so damaging. Just ask Nixon. 

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Kudos to whoever dressed Ava in that glorious gold fabric to celebrate being in the money again.

Alexis still hasn't talked to Kristina. Yet again. that's the first thing that she should have done.

Why is Portia going to Drew to stop Kai's surgery? He's not a doctor and Kai is anadult.  I doubt Kai will want to stop now that he thinks he can play football again.

5 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

I roll my eyes every time one of the nincompoops says Sidwell has to be stopped.

Meanwhile, Sonny-the-, the scariest mob boss on the east coast, must be constantly catered to by Lucy, Brook Lynn and yes, Maxie.

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

It was adorable when TA fell backward trying to sit down. That was obviously not planned.

It's those monstrously high heels she wears so that she can fit into the same shot as Kai.

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Wasn't Curtis's operation just as risky when he was paralyzed? They weren't trying to talk him out of that. Sadly, I think it might be time for Kai to die in surgery and let that blow up. His story, such as it is, is not in any way compelling, he doesn't have any other connection to anyone on the show, and his relationship with Trina is a room temperature snooze. 

I'm so pissed they are having Lucky encourage Kristina lie. Especially without even telling Elizabeth what's going on. You cannot tell me his allegiance to Sonny's child is more important to him than his allegiance to Elizabeth, "the love of his life and the mother of his children!" That's bull! 

Go Rick!

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36 minutes ago, statsgirl said:
2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

It was adorable when TA fell backward trying to sit down. That was obviously not planned.

It's those monstrously high heels she wears so that she can fit into the same shot as Kai.

I know! It's amazing that doesn't happen more often. I was always impressed at KeMo's command of her sky-high stilettos.

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Alexis also has some nerve trying to guilt Ric into not reporting Kristina's attempt to kill Ava because "it would break Molly's heart". Not Ric's problem, IMO. Kristina should have thought of that before she cut the brake line. She's the one who's going to destroy her family, not Ric. This is just like how everyone blamed Nina for Drew and Carly's insider trading - don't blame the criminal, blame the person who is reporting the crime; after all, they're going to ruin someone's life. 

I wish that the writers would come up with at least a few upstanding characters, or at minimum, someone who tries to be good. Laura could be that person, but even she seems to overlook that the whole town caters to a career criminal.  

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Alexis is a pathetic Cassadine for giving into Ava's blackmail.  Thinking Ric doesn't remember thinking Elizabeth won't. She's being so stupid. Then begging that lowlife. Embezzling from Ace. 

Molly needs to see who her father really is.  He and Ava throw a lot of names on Kristina considering Ric us a psycho too who locked up Carly in a panic room and Ava is a cold blooded murderer. 

Ava said she deserved the money? Blackmail is deserving? 

Why is Willow wearing that ring still?

 

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5 hours ago, KittyQ said:

Exactly! Kristina says she wants to confess and Lucky tries to talk her out of it? Why? What is the gain? This is clearly Kristina's long-dormant conscience nagging her at long last to do the right thing (better late than never, I suppose).

I don't think Kristina is feeling that guilty. She keeps going to Lucky to talk about it because she believes he is the only one that knows about her murderous way. Since her entire family has spent all of her life covering and bailing her out for every dumb thing she has done, she has never been forced to accept responsibility for what she has done. Lucky is just another person  that she has convinced that she didn't mean to do what she really wanted to do.

Paraphasing Kristina: "Oh no Lucky you're right. I can't confess because I will lose my only remaining sister."

Well maybe Donna and Avery would be better if Kristina doesn't want to acknowledge them.

As for Alexis, Ric knows. She needs to stop being stupid. Get Kristina to Ferncliff and let her know that what she did was thoughtless and insane and both Ava/Ric know, so she needs to watch her back.

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The Ava and Ric scenes were fun but after jumping on Ric’s bones she was gone for the rest of the show. I kept waiting to see more of her. I guess that the hospital room was her set for the day and then Maura West was outta there.

I liked Ric telling Alexis like it is. I think it almost penetrated in Alexis head that he was right but I’m sure it won’t last for long. I just want Kristina to find out that Ava and Ric know. I want her to freak out.

Ditto on all things Lucky. I can’t figure out for the life of me why he’d cover for Kristina over Elizabeth. It’s not only dumb but it makes no sense. He doesn’t owe her anything. 

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16 hours ago, KittyQ said:

Exactly! Kristina says she wants to confess and Lucky tries to talk her out of it? Why? What is the gain? This is clearly Kristina's long-dormant conscience nagging her at long last to do the right thing (better late than never, I suppose). Why would Lucky try to convince her otherwise? She needs HELP!

I'm also starting to think that Alexis is the one to be committed, because she is clearly delusional about hoping that the truth won't come to light. Also, so much for her much-vaunted integrity and devotion to the law. The next time she tries to tell anyone else that they are bad (even Sonny!), they should laugh in her face. If you can't stand up for the right thing when it touches your own life, you have no business telling anyone else what to do. 

Was it though?  I honestly viewed it as Kristina being insanely manipulative.  Oh I want to turn myself in because I can't take the guilt, but....but my sister will be devasted, but my mother couldn't take it, but but but.  As if she went there to manipulate Lucky into talking her out of turning herself in, something she never had any intention of doing.

This does not let Lucky off the hook in any way, it's just that I'm seeing Kristina as insanely manipulative.  

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9 hours ago, ciarra said:

Hey Jason, why the contempt for Willow?  Is it because she slept with Drew, rather than anyone else on the planet?  Meanwhile, you are protecting Sasha, lying for her and offering her money. 

Remember the time Willow stole drugs to save your pathetic life? 

Huh? I didn't see him as showing contempt for her at all. If he had, he'd be blaming her for cheating and shacking up with Drew. And he didn't do that.

I have no use for him, but I did like that he said, she needed to think for herself and that she and the SLS needed to talk to each other, and for her not to listen to what everyone else was saying. Because they don't matter.

Of course, when Drew finds out Jason came to see her, he'll spin and convince Willow not to go to Germany to talk to the SLS, because he was a Big Ole' Meanie and served her with divorce papers, blah, blah, blah.

And for the LIFE of me, I can't understand Lucky flip-flopping like this! When he learned Kristina was responsible for the crash, he was INSISTING she turn herself in. But she manipulated him in the chapel, that Mooby would lose his family and he has heart problems. It would kill him.

So now that she is 'saying' she feels so guilty and wants to turn herself in, he should have agreed with her ass.

And I really loved Ric giving it to Alexis. Especially since she's willing to cover up attempted murder for her deranged spawn. As someone upthread mentioned, she has no business trying to be the moral superiority when it comes to hiring or rescinding the job offer to Marco, considering what she's begged Diane to do.

And not for nothing, but I hate this new "Di" that Alexis has been using when talking to Diane.

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40 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

And not for nothing, but I hate this new "Di" that Alexis has been using when talking to Diane.


I first noticed this when Alexis told Diane about Kristina attempted murder of Ava.

 So yeah, every time Alexis now refers her as Di, I am thinking that she is telling her to die for daring to suggest getting Kristina committed and paying for her crimes.

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1 hour ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Of course, when Drew finds out Jason came to see her, he'll spin and convince Willow not to go to Germany to talk to the SLS,

I think Willow will go to Germany, and this is when we'll first see nuMichael.

1 hour ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

And not for nothing, but I hate this new "Di" that Alexis has been using when talking to Diane.

She used it in the past, but much more sparingly. Now it's become how she refers to Diane, which, NO.

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1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

I think Willow will go to Germany, and this is when we'll first see nuMichael.

I agree. But I'm not looking forward to the gaslighting that Drew will do to Willow when she tells him she's going to go see him.

As for Nina, panicking that Drew is looking for a place in DC? Well, you numbnut, he SHOULD. He should be living in DC right now, because as a Freshman Congressman, his ass needs to be in DC, currying favor doing the job he was elected to do, plus fund raising, etc. , etc. He should only be in Port Charles when Congress isn't in session-like all the other House Members and Senators.

Now whether he could convince Willow to quit her job at the hospital and live in DC as well part-time and just serve as his groupie, that's another thing altogether.

My eyes couldn't roll hard enough when Drew pitched that documentary to Kai. First Kai, you haven't had the surgery yet. You don't KNOW if it will be a success, hence you're assuming you'll be able to play again. Maybe just wait until AFTER the surgery and learn it worked before going half-cocked and telling your "SUCCESS" story to the masses?

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21 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Now whether he could convince Willow to quit her job at the hospital and live in DC as well part-time and just serve as his groupie, that's another thing altogether.

Heh. If Michael had any brains, he'd make the kids staying in Port Charles non-negotiable in the custody arrangement. Though I honestly don't see Willow wanting to uproot the kids that much, even in her brainwashed thrall.

I hope the recast gives us a Michael with more charisma.

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The only reason that I can see for the show to send Willow to 'Germany' is to introduce the new Michael.

1 hour ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Now whether he could convince Willow to quit her job at the hospital and live in DC as well part-time and just serve as his groupie, that's another thing altogether.

My eyes couldn't roll hard enough when Drew pitched that documentary to Kai. First Kai, you haven't had the surgery yet. You don't KNOW if it will be a success, hence you're assuming you'll be able to play again. Maybe just wait until AFTER the surgery and learn it worked before going half-cocked and telling your "SUCCESS" story to the masses?

If there is going to be a documentary about Kai, it has to start now, before the surgery and then follow the surgery and recovery. Otherwise it's just a media interview. It's actually quite clever of Drew.

Also clever and manipulative of Drew is to convince to move to DC with the kids where he will be the only one to influence her weak little mind.

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Portia is awfully buddy-buddy with Nina considering how completely she cut her when they met during the "Port Charles hates Nina" days.

LOL at Carly projecting all her own feelings and prejudices on Willow.

This episode was pretty boring. Even Tracy giving money to Boyle who was about to tear down her family's mausoleum wasn't that interesting.

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31 minutes ago, KittyQ said:

Does Lulu even have a job now? How does she afford a house? Even renting (gasp, horrors!) a house that apparent size would take some money. She should give financial lessons to Ava on how to get a house without an income.

Maybe it's because the realtor, and/or the seller, can't stand to listen to her constant weeping/crying/on the verge way of talking??  I know I'd pay anything to get that voice out of my head.

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15 minutes ago, boes said:

Oh Soap Gods, PLEASE give us someone with, at least, a modicum of acting talent as well.

You don't want a puff fish? For shame!

The other day, they mentioned Michael and I couldn't even remember who Michael was for like a whole 10 seconds.

Drew really is manipulating Willow and she just defers to him on every opinion she has. Do you think what I'm thinking is wrong? Should I cross the street on a red light or green light? Please tell me!!! And him assuming that he was going to Germany with her was . . . yeah, she needs her cult leader with her.

Also, what is this obsession with Drew and having her kids in case something happens to her? Is he going to disappear her or something?

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12 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Also, what is this obsession with Drew and having her kids in case something happens to her? Is he going to disappear her or something?

It's so annoying we have no idea what Drew's motives are for a lot of this besides petty revenge. I'm sure that's a big part of it when it comes to Q matters, but what's his interest in Kai? The alternative location of the esplanade? (I'm with Tracy there: If I never hear the word esplanade again it will be too soon.)

I find it very funny that Drew actually wants to be saddled with two kids who aren't his just to make a point. It would serve him right if Michael and Willow dropped dead and he was stuck with Wiley and Amelia.

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22 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

It's so annoying we have no idea what Drew's motives are for a lot of this besides petty revenge.

I don't think the writers know either. He is obsessing about her children and decreed that Willow would raise Scout if something happened to him. He didn't ask her, he just told her. And Willow like the absolute brainwashed person that she is just nodded her head and happily signed without reading anything or having a lawyer look at it.

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On 4/22/2025 at 2:17 PM, KittyQ said:

I am no Ric fan, but given how Alexis has been acting, it was great to see him spell things out to her. She (and Kristina) think that hiding Kristina's attempt to murder someone will help their family dynamic somehow. What could possibly go wrong with that??? Even the most innocuous secrets have a way of getting revealed at some point, and as someone else on the thread pointed out, it isn't the crime, it's the coverup that is so damaging. Just ask Nixon. 

Exactly.  The only that stood between Kristina and becoming a murderer was her own incompetence.  Had she been less of an idiot, her sister’s father and one of the few good and decent people on this show would have died a horrible screaming death.

On 4/22/2025 at 2:59 PM, TVbitch said:

Wasn't Curtis's operation just as risky when he was paralyzed? They weren't trying to talk him out of that. Sadly, I think it might be time for Kai to die in surgery and let that blow up. His story, such as it is, is not in any way compelling, he doesn't have any other connection to anyone on the show, and his relationship with Trina is a room temperature snooze. 

I'm so pissed they are having Lucky encourage Kristina lie. Especially without even telling Elizabeth what's going on. You cannot tell me his allegiance to Sonny's child is more important to him than his allegiance to Elizabeth, "the love of his life and the mother of his children!" That's bull! 

Go Rick!

Trina’s and Joss’s boyfriends dying should become a running gag.

20 hours ago, Artsda said:

Alexis is a pathetic Cassadine for giving into Ava's blackmail.  Thinking Ric doesn't remember thinking Elizabeth won't. She's being so stupid. Then begging that lowlife. Embezzling from Ace. 

Molly needs to see who her father really is.  He and Ava throw a lot of names on Kristina considering Ric us a psycho too who locked up Carly in a panic room and Ava is a cold blooded murderer. 

Ava said she deserved the money? Blackmail is deserving? 

Why is Willow wearing that ring still?

 

Ava meant that the money was her original divorce settlement that the Cassadine estate took back from her without notification, in GH legal fantasyland, where stupid things like that happen.

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55 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

It's so annoying we have no idea what Drew's motives are for a lot of this besides petty revenge. I'm sure that's a big part of it when it comes to Q matters, but what's his interest in Kai? The alternative location of the esplanade? (I'm with Tracy there: If I never hear the word esplanade again it will be too soon.)

I find it very funny that Drew actually wants to be saddled with two kids who aren't his just to make a point. It would serve him right if Michael and Willow dropped dead and he was stuck with Wiley and Amelia.

Especially if the kids turned into total hateful monsters that took it all out in Drew.  Kind of like Meryl Streep when Ed Begley’s kid move in to her house in ‘She Devil’.

Oh, how I adore this film.

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Lulu's new house looks so shabby and...green...inside and out.  If the kids aren't already depressed by their life circumstances, they will be when they see where they have to live.

I was bothered by the scene with Ned, since he is the only one in what used to be his family who doesn't know about the baby.  It's one thing if they're all estranged from each other, but Lois and Brook Lynn are living compatibly in the same house with him.

Now we have both Nina/Carly and Nina/Portia conspiracies against Drew.  He's turned out to be quite the ladies' man.  

Not sure what to make of DC's Boyle.  I'm impressed that the writers haven't gone all in on making him a completely bad guy, by having the other characters agree that he's right about some things. A little nuance goes a long way in making a character interesting.  But he's not quite interesting yet.  

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32 minutes ago, Suicidy 2.0 said:

Trina’s and Joss’s boyfriends dying should become a running gag.

Michael's string of dead girlfriends certainly is, at least here.

21 minutes ago, JMO said:

But he's not quite interesting yet.  

I find Boyle very similar to Drew; he's just a more overt sleazeball. I hope he's ready to turn on Drew the instant being Drew's toady isn't to his advantage.

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5 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Heh. If Michael had any brains, he'd make the kids staying in Port Charles non-negotiable in the custody arrangement. Though I honestly don't see Willow wanting to uproot the kids that much, even in her brainwashed thrall.

I hope the recast gives us a Michael with more charisma.

Your wish is answered!!!!!!!! 

 

 

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So someone finally bought and remodeled the Spencer home? Because it sat derelict for 50 years so Luke could have a dramatic scene there during his exit story. One of Ron's weirdest quirks, where all the important places in Luke and Laura's lives (Spencer home, the Diner, the freaking Campus Disco) had been left untouched for decades so there could be a scene there in the future. 

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3 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I find it very funny that Drew actually wants to be saddled with two kids who aren't his just to make a point. It would serve him right if Michael and Willow dropped dead and he was stuck with Wiley and Amelia.

It is part of separating Willow from Michael and his family, that Drew is the only person that Willow can trust. Should it come to that though, Carly will fight tooth and nail to keep the kids and Drew would let her since Willow would not know. It's a win-win for him

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54 minutes ago, RedRockRosie said:

Pretty sure Nu-lulu’s house set is the set they used for Bobbie’s younger days with her family.When they did the Bobbie, Luke & other sister (can’t think of her name) backstory. I remember the set better than the actual story. Guess that says a lot about it….

It was Patricia Spencer, who the showrunners killed off before we could even get to know her.

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Lulu was in coma for years, quit her job and buys a house?  She got money where? 

The Disney World placement was cute. 

Drew pushing himself as father to the kids with legal papers is low.  Michael should get a say on who his children go to. 

Thank you Tracy for not condoning murder.  Laura hate Sidwell for what was done to her son, but bows at Sonny feet. Sidwell is dangerous criminal but Sonny isn't? He murdered AJ, he just murdered a fed. 

Monica's agreement with land trust? So she got that land and have another piece. 

This show thinking anyone want to watch love scene with Willow and Drew. 

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16 minutes ago, Winston Wolfe said:

It was Patricia Spencer, who the showrunners killed off before we could even get to know her.

Oh riiiight....thank you. It's coming back to me now. Patricia was Valerie's Mom. That whole thing was such a bad retcon. But I liked the actress who played Valerie (Brytni Sarpy)

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Drew trying to coerce Willow into going with her to Germany, only to 'give in' but then have that creepy look on his face?  Yeah, they're gonna go with 'this isn't really Drew' aren't they?

So Lulu, fresh out of a four-year coma and jobless gets a big house.  I bet she's even got several dozen eggs in her refrigerator.  This fucking show.

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22 hours ago, ciarra said:

Hey Jason, why the contempt for Willow?  Is it because she slept with Drew, rather than anyone else on the planet?  Meanwhile, you are protecting Sasha, lying for her and offering her money. 

Remember the time Willow stole drugs to save your pathetic life? 

It’s a guy thing,  we generally have an aversion to women who are in relationships with, or sleep with douchebags.

The current version of Drew is an apex douchebag.

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Drew says it was petty of Michael to have Willow served with divorce papers in DC.  Would you say, Drew, that it was more or less petty than trying to tear down a family crypt? 

It must have freaked Drew out that Willow was insisting on going to see Michael even after he tried to manipulate her into not going.  

Tracy getting to speak truth about Sonny/Michael/AJ was nice. 

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The look on Drew’s face when he was hugging Willow pretty much said that he’s planning to kill or at least incapacitate her at his first opportunity. I was proud of her for standing up to him until she asked if he thought she shouldn’t go. And then he was all ‘great, I’ll make the arrangements. We can go to Berlin!’ Because he absolutely does NOT want her going to see Michael alone. 

2 hours ago, Winston Wolfe said:

It was Patricia Spencer, who the showrunners killed off before we could even get to know her.

She dropped dead after meeting Carly 🤣

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10 minutes ago, Sake614 said:

The look on Drew’s face when he was hugging Willow pretty much said that he’s planning to kill or at least incapacitate her at his first opportunity. I was proud of her for standing up to him until she asked if he thought she shouldn’t go. And then he was all ‘great, I’ll make the arrangements. We can go to Berlin!’ Because he absolutely does NOT want her going to see Michael alone. 

She dropped dead after meeting Carly 🤣

Lucky her.

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