Carlin and Evan: But Mostly Carlin!

[ginger90]

[BitterApple]

I saw the video and I agree the way that guy was holding Layla was inappropriate. 

[Jeanne222]

Who holds a little girl with his arm between her legs?  That was terrible and I bet it hurt her!!!

[BitterApple]

For those who haven't seen it, the screenshot is on the subReddit. I don't want to link or post it here because it's skeevy. The Carlin stans are defending her, of course. The interaction may have been entirely innocent but the optics weren't great.

Edited September 19, 2022 by BitterApple

[Salacious Kitty]

It's still up on her stories, but it's going to expire very soon.

[cereality]

More importantly what parent allows it?? Not saying that in front of others at church they'd curse this pastor out or anything but if a parent sees an interaction going somewhere they don't like, even if it is meant to be innocent - isn't that when one of you says - hey I got her, so where do y'all want to go for lunch?? But nope Carlin and Evan can both be heard being loud in the background [IDK if they know how to be anything but LOUD] playing along with - no lunch for Layla, OMG Layla just said yes blah blah. Uh? Are you not seeing this happen in front of you and NEITHER of you thinks ok let me grab my kid back?

[Salacious Kitty]

I don't think they have a concept of inappropriate touching. Or if they, by some small chance, do, they don't think it will happen to their kid. 

[Spazamanaz]

I just went looking for the picture... The hand holding her back,  why is it under her dress. It just doesn't look good. And gives me the creeps.

[ginger90]

[BitterApple]

Of course it would make your heart happy, Carlin, because you're an effing idiot.

That poor child is constantly exhausted and falls asleep everywhere. Throwing a few avocados on her plate doesn't make up for the lack of rest and routine. 

[GeeGolly]

Carlin really is clueless. It seems to me her last few posts are trying to dispel internet snark, yet she still gets it wrong. Every single time.

C&E live everyday likes its a vacation, so they end up dragging their kids around like they're afterthoughts.

[Lisa418722]

Has Carlin had any seizures lately?

Poor Layla. She needs regular rest and meals. Not how C&E treat her.

[Dehumidifier]

16 minutes ago, Lisa418722 said:

Has Carlin had any seizures lately?

Poor Layla. She needs regular rest and meals. Not how C&E treat her.

One of her sisters needs to give her a good talking to. She'd probably ignore mom.

[Notabug]

3 hours ago, ginger90 said:

There are so many things wrong with that photo it's like one of those 'find the mistakes' puzzles from Highlights magazine.  The kid is obviously not properly seated or strapped into her high chair.  She could easily topple out if she leans back.  She is holding what appears to be a full sized spoon, did Carlin forget to put baby sized utensils on her Target gift registry?  Then, she's got a mish-mosh of unappetizing food on a flimsy, cheap paper plate.  More food than any kid that age could reasonably be expected to eat at one sitting.  Next to it, there's a huge sippy cup full of whatever, that will probably get knocked to the floor and spill when Layla falls out of the chair.  Also, aren't kids supposed to eat first and then get something to drink?  Or was that just my mom who insisted we eat half our plates before giving us a small glass of milk about a quarter the size of what Layla has in front of her?

1 hour ago, Dehumidifier said:

One of her sisters needs to give her a good talking to. She'd probably ignore mom.

I don't think her sisters show any signs of being better at the logistics of mothering than Carlin.  They were raised like a pack of wolves and told that that was the godly way to do things, I doubt any of them are big on balanced meals, set naptimes and bedtimes.  They all seem to do whatever they do and the kids are expected to just go along for the ride.  I don't see any of them prioritizing their kids above their own lives.

Edited September 20, 2022 by Notabug

[Dehumidifier]

6 minutes ago, Notabug said:

I don't think her sisters show any signs of being better at the logistics of mothering than Carlin.  They were raised like a pack of wolves and told that that was the godly way to do things, I doubt any of them are big on balanced meals, set naptimes and bedtimes.  They all seem to do whatever they do and the kids are expected to just go along for the ride.  I don't see any of them prioritizing their kids above their own lives.

Alyssa and Josie seem pretty organized and Tori doesn't seem to be running all over partying. I don't think Michaela saying anything would work because she would get "you don't have kids!"

John and Alyssa did a Q&A in which someone actually asked them how often they have sex. They didn't answer that of course, just said that they get the kids into bed at an decent time so that they can have some alone time to themselves.

[Meow Mix]

1 hour ago, Dehumidifier said:

Alyssa and Josie seem pretty organized and Tori doesn't seem to be running all over partying. I don't think Michaela saying anything would work because she would get "you don't have kids!"

John and Alyssa did a Q&A in which someone actually asked them how often they have sex. They didn't answer that of course, just said that they get the kids into bed at an decent time so that they can have some alone time to themselves.

Wait - WHAT?  Some complete stranger thought it was appropriate to ask how often John and Alyssa had sex?  What is wrong with people and what is wrong with Alyssa's upbringing that she didn't take that as a sign to flee social media forever?

As for poor Layla, thank you to whoever said that was too much food and really unappetizing.  Plus, could she even pick up that giant cup?  That thing is huge and who knows what the pink crap in it is.  And if she's falling asleep in her high chair, it's not cute, it's really dangerous.  Once again, Carlin and Evan are idiots.  

[Dehumidifier]

19 minutes ago, Meow Mix said:

Wait - WHAT?  Some complete stranger thought it was appropriate to ask how often John and Alyssa had sex?  What is wrong with people and what is wrong with Alyssa's upbringing that she didn't take that as a sign to flee social media forever?

They were reading the questions. They could have skipped it. I would have. Maybe they wanted to let people know that they have a routine for the kids unlike...

[farmgal4]

4 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Carlin really is clueless. It seems to me her last few posts are trying to dispel internet snark, yet she still gets it wrong. Every single time.

C&E live everyday likes its a vacation, so they end up dragging their kids around like they're afterthoughts.

One of Carlin’s biggest problems is that she truly doesn’t have one lick of common sense.  ZERO common sense.  And people who are lacking common sense, don’t need to have children, period.

[cereality]

Parents of the year right there. And rough couple days for Layla. On Sunday some dude has an arm in her crotch. On Monday she falls asleep during her only real meal of the day. Let's be real most meals consist of Doritos/Cheetos/Fritos/cake pops/maybe a banana thrown in for breakfast and then some sort of dinner. And kudos on that dinner - I guess they feel like they cooked bc there's some ground beef on the paper plate. But otherwise, I'm pretty sure those beans are right out of a can, can't be bothered w/ shredded cheese so here's a pre cut cheese slice, and can't be bothered heating up a tortilla so here's a few Tostitos.

Carlin/Evan - most people's mama and daddy hearts aren't warmed by a kid falling asleep at dinner. Most parents think - damn I knew I should've gotten dinner on the table earlier. There's a reason people feed their kids dinner by 5-6 pm - even if the kid isn't going to bed immediately after, they can run around and play after dinner until they tire themselves out. But you don't want to sit a kid down to dinner when they're already that tired bc they don't eat. Oh and morons your kid is known to be in a slow growth/undersized/falling off the growth curve camp -- so maybe don't give her opportunities to skip meals esp. when you are providing a meal that isn't a bag of chips.

As much as she has friction with Josie, she may want to check out what Josie does for dinner. Even though Josie does a lot of quick 20-30 min meals, lots of crockpot etc. - her kids seem to get meat + rice/veggies at every dinner.

@judyjudyjudy - for as much money as these people waste, they have no dining table/kitchen table. I'm guessing the kid is fed in a high chair and/or sitting on the couch. Carlin has def shown herself plopping on the couch with her chips and soda for dinner before - or even with a regular plate.

Edited September 20, 2022 by cereality

[judyjudyjudy]

I realize all children are different, but I have a grandson similarly aged to Layla.  He has not been in a high chair in at least 18 months.  Just because she is small does not mean that she is still an infant.  I would say to let her sit at the table with the rest of the family (in a booster), but that's a joke.  The family probably doesn't sit all together to eat a meal.

[ginger90]

[GeeGolly]

Whoa, working one day a week is so tough. 🙃

[BitterApple]

28 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Whoa, working one day a week is so tough. 🙃

Right? I laugh my ass off every time Whit is on her stories like, "Hey guys!!!! Omg, I'm sooooo excited! We have SUCH a big day tomorrow at the Boutique!!!!!." Like, okay, so you work one ten-hour day and spend the rest of the week fixing up your house. Hardly a strenuous schedule. 

Eta: I just noticed Carlin posted at 6:05 and you know she doesn't roll out of the house until late morning, so she didn't even work a full day. 😂

Edited September 21, 2022 by BitterApple

[65mickey]

Carlin is on her way to the cardiologist. She said she is still passing out and having seizure like symptoms. She said that her dad is going with her because he wants to get some answers.  I hope he exhibits more sense when speaking with the doctor than Carlin and Evan. 

[GeeGolly]

4 minutes ago, 65mickey said:

Carlin is on her way to the cardiologist. She said she is still passing out and having seizure like symptoms. She said that her dad is going with her because he wants to get some answers.  I hope he exhibits more sense when speaking with the doctor than Carlin and Evan. 

I find this so interesting because Carlin has said she needs at least a day to recover from an episode. She has been posting her visit to NJ and K&T's visit to her home practically in real time. It didn't seem they missed one day of activities.

[writerwoman]

29 minutes ago, 65mickey said:

Carlin is on her way to the cardiologist. She said she is still passing out and having seizure like symptoms. She said that her dad is going with her because he wants to get some answers.  I hope he exhibits more sense when speaking with the doctor than Carlin and Evan. 

Great, the dude who got them such GREAT healthcare as kids is going to come rolling in four months into the process because he’s so concerned. This can only go well 🙄

[GeeGolly]

I'm sure they'll tell Gil that the Stewarts' many social activities have delayed much of the testing necessary to figure everything out. Big bad daddy coming to the appointment is not going to make it better. Unless... unless Gil actually listens and understands the provider and picks up on something (or many things) C&K are missing.

[Meow Mix]

I certainly hope Gil doesn't go in there guns blazing blaming the doctors for Carlin's continued issues.  I hope he is smart enough to listen and maybe get through to the two idiots that they are not following instructions and delaying tests because they want constant vacations and fun time rather than taking care of a supposedly serious health issue.  But, with these people, I will probably be disappointed.  Hope they at least show up on time for their appointment this time.  

[BitterApple]

1 hour ago, 65mickey said:

Carlin is on her way to the cardiologist. She said she is still passing out and having seizure like symptoms. She said that her dad is going with her because he wants to get some answers.  I hope he exhibits more sense when speaking with the doctor than Carlin and Evan. 

Hasn't she already been to the cardiologist half a dozen times? I thought they ruled out a heart condition? 

[SMama]

I finally got around to watch the video of their visit for the gender reveal. Carlin said the reveal was next door. Next door to who? The elder Clarks? Whose house has the pool? 

Evan installed a charging station for the Tesla at Katie’s and Travis’s house. There’s a nice side hustle for Evan. Travis is an easy going guy. But darn, Katie, Carlin and Evan are exhausting. 

[65mickey]

21 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Hasn't she already been to the cardiologist half a dozen times? I thought they ruled out a heart condition? 

She recently had a stress test and maybe another test on her carotid artery. 

[writerwoman]

3 hours ago, Meow Mix said:

I certainly hope Gil doesn't go in there guns blazing blaming the doctors for Carlin's continued issues.  I hope he is smart enough to listen and maybe get through to the two idiots that they are not following instructions and delaying tests because they want constant vacations and fun time rather than taking care of a supposedly serious health issue.  But, with these people, I will probably be disappointed.  Hope they at least show up on time for their appointment this time.  

Well if that happens we’re sure to see it because with Gil there, Evan is completely free to hold the camera—once he’s done doing all her paperwork for her 

[Notabug]

5 hours ago, 65mickey said:

Carlin is on her way to the cardiologist. She said she is still passing out and having seizure like symptoms. She said that her dad is going with her because he wants to get some answers.  I hope he exhibits more sense when speaking with the doctor than Carlin and Evan. 

I presume that Gil is going so that it will be easier for Evan to get some footage that they can put online to show those networks what a viable entertainment option the Bates' are, in hopes of reviving the TV show.

Interesting, isn't it, that Carlin has been posting nonstop through all of these supposed episodes over the past weeks despite telling us she needs at least a day of rest to recover and the episodes are so exhausting and debilitating?  Except when there is something she wants to do, in which case, she recovers instantaneously.

I presume this cardiologist' visit is the big summation:  she had the Holter monitor looking for arrhythmias months ago, she did the stress test and presumably the carotid dopplers.  Now they've got all the results and I expect the doctor will tell them that all the testing is normal and there is no sign of a cardiac problem at which point, Gil will demand she be referred to someone who can do some more testing.  Preferably interesting testing that will look good on camera and generate a lot of clicks.  

I think the cardiology visit will involve the cardiologist signing off the case because there is nothing wrong with her heart and that Carlin, Evan and Gil will express great dismay and demand more be done to prove a negative.

Edited September 21, 2022 by Notabug

[cereality]

So many questions. If Gil is going to an appointment, why a cardiologist appointment? Didn't Carlin herself say that the cardiologist thinks it's NOT her heart but he'd order a stress test and vascular ultrasound any way - likely bc E&C said they wanted it? So then doesn't this likely turn out as one of those appts where they say - sorry we don't know what it is, but it isn't her heart? I wonder if this really is a - bring in an "adult" guns blazing to accuse the drs of doing nothing here/demanding answers.

I feel like a neuro appt would make far more sense if she wanted to bring someone, as she is taking neuro meds and still needs the in hospital test. It may make sense to talk about what to do to prevent these episodes or lessen them, are any of these medicine side effects etc. If the dr starts to get into lifestyle issues, maybe it'd make sense to have a parent there who'd be honest [though Gil - honest IDK - but normal parents are] who could say - well actually dr. she does stay up until 2 am regularly, consumes multiple Starbucks per day, they eat mostly fast food and snacks, and are constantly shuttling btwn here and Nashville and jumping on the next flight to anywhere.

And my most important question - does Evan feel castrated here because he should. I know that's mean and I know there is NOTHING wrong with bringing a parent to an appt even when you are married. But in THIS family? Come on after they hand the daughters off to the headship, the only time they show up is when Kelly shows up in the delivery room to stare at her daughter's vag as she pushes out a grandkid. The headship is the genius who is supposed to take care of their innocent, dumb daughter.

But reality is this headship is no smarter or better than John, so he prob feels better having an "adult" coming along to an appointment. They are just SOOO uneducated that I feel like ANYTHING drs explain - even in plain English - goes right over their heads, they can't think of any follow up questions to ask, they walk out of there dismayed [drs. are doing nothing, or some sarcastic, another day/another test] and then turn back to what they know - the Lord. The Lord is leading us to do [insert what dr said to do which they don't understand but it's ok bc the Lord led them there not the dr]. John admitted all of this in the video they did re Alyssa's two procedures, though "luckily" in Alyssa's case she had something very defined, where drs. could say it is this type of arrhythmia, this is what we do to cure it [whether you understand or not].

At this point why not just go to Mayo??

Edited September 21, 2022 by cereality

[Absolom]

Or stay home and live a normal (to us) life for a couple of weeks and see if she's any better.

[Notabug]

12 minutes ago, cereality said:

At this point why not just go to Mayo??

Because Mayo is going to take a look at all the stuff that's already been done and probably not have much to add?  Because they checked and Mayo won't let them film?  Because Carlin doesn't have any 'sweet friends' in Minnesota that they can visit while seeing the specialists?  

I imagine they would be able to do a virtual consult at any of the top medical centers in the country who would review all that has been done and make recommendations.  However, they cannot figure out a way to monetize that sort of visit, so it's not happening anytime soon.

[cereality]

23 minutes ago, Absolom said:

Or stay home and live a normal (to us) life for a couple of weeks and see if she's any better.

But how can they bc OMG it's the cash and carry this weekend and Trace's wedding next weekend. Don't drs. realize how busy they are?? 

At one point in her video she says that it's gotten embarrassing for her to have these episodes publicly so if she feels them coming on she begs Evan to take her to the car ASAP but often they can't get there. Uh it's not like you have a job, why not stay home more. Do you REALLY need to run from Sbux to Target to Walmart to nails as if it's a full time job? If she is embarrassed, I wonder if she disagrees with her headship filming things and putting them into videos as much as he has but can't say much about it. After all her headship quit his job for her and now needs to make a living and she can't deny him the YT content even if she's "embarrassed."

I always hate to question anyone's health issues but the way they've acted, now that she consistently takes the line of - having episodes but doesn't mention it bc she gets so emotional - I do wonder if it's more like -- we've noticed it doesn't up our YT hits the way it used to so no need to share. Maybe on meds though recovery isn't taking a day? Bc in the last few weeks of running around, the only day she was off IG almost all day was when she was traveling back from NJ. Maybe there was an episode there but she was in the airport/on planes/at her inlaws/driving home at like midnight/and cooing at Layla putting on a midnight fashion show when they got home?? Hardly what she'd do after an episode, right?

@Notabug - agree that Mayo very likely would NOT allow filming inside exam rooms. I go to one of the big east coast academic health systems for cardiology and while I've seen no stated policy, I cannot imagine any dr or nurse there not shutting it down immediately if you started filming. And true esp these days given how backed up health systems are, I'm sure they'd look at all her testing, maybe asking for more testing to be done locally or at Vanderbilt, then maybe do a video consult and THEN IF there was something more Mayo wanted to do, they'd call her in to Minnesota. That's a whole lot of things that don't film well for YT until you MAYBE get to Minnesota - where you can film outside in the snow, the hotel etc.

Edited September 21, 2022 by cereality

[Jeanne222]

Gil and KJ are getting a lot of flack about doing nothing so maybe this is just something!

[3 is enough]

Mayo also has a facility in Jacksonville.  I can see that being much more attractive to C&E.

[Heathen]

There is more than one Mayo-associated hospital. The closest one to Dumb and Dumber is in Jacksonville, Floriduh, and visiting it would surely give them an excuse for yet another vacation. The Stew-idiots don't need to visit Minnesota to get in an extra dose of attention-whoring. https://www.mayoclinic.org/about-mayo-clinic

@Notabug 

[Tdoc72]

11 hours ago, SMama said:

I finally got around to watch the video of their visit for the gender reveal. Carlin said the reveal was next door. Next door to who? The elder Clarks? Whose house has the pool? 

Katie (I think it was her) said in one vid that is was a church family friend’s house. I guess they’d Wally wanted to do the pool reveal. I hope they left everything as they found it. 

6 hours ago, cereality said:

I always hate to question anyone's health issues but the way they've acted, now that she consistently takes the line of - having episodes but doesn't mention it bc she gets so emotional - I do wonder if it's more like -- we've noticed it doesn't up our YT hits the way it used to so no need to share.

I can imagine that if there’s a problem and you don’t have an answer, it’s very stressing and frustrating. The two months between my finding out I had a ovarian tumor and the surgery to remove and test it for cancer was extremely hard. The not knowing is crazy. I don’t deny they love their SM clicks/ benefits, but I don’t believe that has anything to do w/emotional responses. 

[Meow Mix]

Someone upthread mentioned them filming all of this to prove to some network that they have a viable show.  This made me wonder, what network would even be interested?  TLC only has the Plaths at this point who are only kept around because they are happy to be dysfunctional on camera.  Up wouldn't take them back because it would raise too many questions about why they canceled them and then why they brought them back.  I think Up is trying to play both ends against the middle and appeal to ultra conservatives while trying to appear mainstream.  The only other network I can think of is GAC which is not on a lot of cable systems and probably has even less budget than Up.  So, I just don't see where a production company would shop the show.

I think this family needs to face the fact that the TV gig is over and start living normal lives. If Carlin is exaggerating of faking a health problem it will eventually blow up in her face.

[Jeanne222]

7 hours ago, Meow Mix said:

Someone upthread mentioned them filming all of this to prove to some network that they have a viable show.  This made me wonder, what network would even be interested?  TLC only has the Plaths at this point who are only kept around because they are happy to be dysfunctional on camera.  Up wouldn't take them back because it would raise too many questions about why they canceled them and then why they brought them back.  I think Up is trying to play both ends against the middle and appeal to ultra conservatives while trying to appear mainstream.  The only other network I can think of is GAC which is not on a lot of cable systems and probably has even less budget than Up.  So, I just don't see where a production company would shop the show.

I think this family needs to face the fact that the TV gig is over and start living normal lives. If Carlin is exaggerating of faking a health problem it will eventually blow up in her face.

That was me speculating about a new show!  I still think some kind of Bates show will surface. 

They are an attractive family and fans seem to like them on social media. Companies use them to sell their products!

Like it or not…lol…GQ Public watch a lot of sub shows. Teen Mom, Expecting, Sister Wives, Inmates As Housemates and a fav Love After Lockup!

They even did a repeat on 19 kids by calling it Counting On after Josh first offense  

Whats keeping networks from picking up the Bates?  I don’t know 🤷‍♀️!  Contract negotiations???

Didn’t someone say there was some filming going on?

[Heathen]

56 minutes ago, Jeanne222 said:

Whats keeping networks from picking up the Bates?  I don’t know 🤷‍♀️!  Contract negotiations???

Racist, tone-deaf, ignorant AF remarks that nobody in the family objected to? I don't know! 

[cereality]

Damn these family rifts are really something. Carlin on IG going on about how they have SUCH a busy few weeks coming up [say the jobless people] - "one of my FAMILY MEMBERS is getting married so we have a lot of fun events coming up." Uh Carlin he's your BROTHER. It's ok to say he's your brother even though he is in the Josie camp now and you and Josie are sworn enemies for whatever reason. It's the same way how she went to their wedding shower and said "we have to go to A wedding shower" - as if it was some old coworker's shower that you were politely attending but you really see the person once every five years.

And given the timing of Gil suddenly going to Carlin's drs. appt after all this time - I was left thinking - I wonder if she had an episode at the Clark parents or if this even came up in conversation in front of them and Evan/Carlin were like - oh drs. don't do anything for us anyway and the Clark parents raised an eyebrow at Gil/Kelly. For as heinous as the Clarks are, the type of family that has the means to buy their 18 yr old a luxury car + house are not the type of parents that skimped on their kids' healthcare. And given that they live in south jersey, you know if anything came up with their kids [or say Katie runs into a high risk pregnancy esp w subsequent kids as is the case with the Bates girls], you know they'd be off to UPenn in about 2 seconds. It's the ivy league health system 20 min away - so they prob don't get how G&K are sitting around while their daughter goes dr. to dr w/ no answers.

[Jeanne222]

50 minutes ago, Heathen said:

Racist, tone-deaf, ignorant AF remarks that nobody in the family objected to? I don't know! 

Yes but Josh Dugger molested his sisters and they brought them back!

I’d guess the Duggers have a lot of the racist in them too. So there’s that!

[Heathen]

1 minute ago, Jeanne222 said:

Yes but Josh Dugger molested his sisters and they brought them back!

I’d guess the Duggers have a lot of the racist in them too. So there’s that!

Duggar, not Dugger. The viewpoint at the time was that Smuggar's victims shouldn't be punished for their brother's sins, or maybe just $$$. 

Cultural mores have changed since 2015. 

[SMama]

Yes, the issue with the Duggars was the molestations of four innocent sisters. When the FF was arrested for a heinous crime the gig was up for good. 

It’s impossible to separate racism from the Bates. Their goose is cooked, no network is going to offer them a show. They either milk their Z list celebrity as influencers or get real jobs. 

[Cinnabon]

27 minutes ago, Jeanne222 said:

Yes but Josh Dugger molested his sisters and they brought them back!

I’d guess the Duggers have a lot of the racist in them too. So there’s that!

Thank dog BOTH of these hateful families are off TV. Please let it remain that way!

Edited September 23, 2022 by Cinnabon

[BitterApple]

cereality, I remember when Mrs. Clark got injured in Mexico, the family consulted with an orthopedic surgeon back in NJ, so they definitely don't shortchange themselves when it comes to health care.

And speaking of family rifts, have you seen the drama with Tiffany? She unfollowed a bunch of people, including all the Bateses. Yesterday, she left several nice comments wishing Whitney a Happy Birthday. Whitney responded to everyone else and ignored Tiffany. There is enough pettiness swirling to fill the Grand Canyon.