Save Yourself

I can’t remember, did we ever find out what Nick did to help with the rise of Gilead? I don’t understand why he’s never defected to Canada when he’s had so many opportunities. They were willing to let Serena go, why wouldn’t they do the same for Nick in exchange intel. I understand he now has a Wife and doesn’t want to abandon her but that is a recent development, he could have escaped plenty of times prior to the marriage.

Maybe I’m misremembering but isn’t there some rule about not talking about what life was like before the fall of the USA?

That was England until 2010-ish, actually. I don’t understand your response, the Queen ruled until her recent death then Charles was made King, until then he was a Prince.

And I know it’s been talked about so much before but to reduce the changes of pregnancy to one rape a month based on the woman’s cycle is ridiculous. They could be doing ultrasounds to see when they are about to ovulate and then artificially inseminate them for 3 days to increases the chances, they don’t have to do IVF. Anyway I know that’s a tangent and anyone else who has had reproductive help as I have is probably thinking it each time babies are mentioned on THT as well !

Yes 100%. I enjoy when a protagonist is turned into an antagonist when it’s done very well showing a gradual flip and so it seems logical ala Breaking Bad. However, with THT - number 1, if she is indeed becoming the antagonist there’s been no build up and number 2, to make that creative decision in this type of narrative, where it is women being systematically raped and tortured, to have one those women turn on her sisters like that is incredibly distasteful and focusing the attention away from the subjugation of women.

I was seriously worried they were going to have June resuscitate the baby when she went to look at her, I’m surprised the writers restrained from imbuing June with even more super powers.

Game of Thrones is the most famous example of when a TV adaptation went beyond the already published books. It was bollocks by the end 😕.

I didn’t know that the actress who played Blythe was transgender until I Googled her, I think the character of Blythe could be cis-gendered or trans-gendered, since it wasn’t mentioned I would think cis as rightly or wrongly that is the default assumption in the general population. I’d actually like it if a transgender actress is playing a cis woman as it’s the same as when a cis woman plays a transgender woman, there’s no reason why they have to stick to one or the other IMO.

Far out, I was literally thinking ‘oh look, they’re making Jesus cool again’ at the same moment that he was stabbed.

I miss little Judith, she was such a sweet looking little girl, I always wanted to cuddle her when I saw her 😍, I loved watching the actors with her as well as that age she wasn’t really ‘acting’ so her reactions were real, the episode a few weeks ago when AL was making her laugh was too cute.

I was yelling at the TV ‘cut it all fucking off!!!’ It was the only exciting bit in the whole show, when I saw her with the scissors I sat up and was like thank god, they are finally listening to their audience. But nup, he had a trim 🙄, so damn disappointing. Carol needs to lop her hair off as well, I am not digging this Maid Marion look. I was worried they were going to have Aaron and Jesus’s fight morph into kissing thus linking violence with gay sex. I want them to hook up but I don’t want that conflation.

Rick needs to put on his murderin’ jacket, he’s become Samson without his hair.

ffs, that was dreadful

I heart Max so hard ???, why does he want to wreck my life? ?. As a bonus it does release me from watching this crap as I checked out of the stories long ago, I just liked looking at his hotness and being blunt with people, also enjoyed watching he and Nev mucking about together.

That was terrific, as poster above said, best season since the first one, if only it had been this quality for the seasons in between. Great final episode and kept me on my toes right to the end, I hardly saw any of those twists. Loved Rachel’s butterfly turning into a caterpillar - using her hair to indicate how she was rotting away with each despicable act was clever and who would have ever thought that Quinn would become the moral compass!

I think exactly that - the writers wanted to show that June is a warrior mother and if I was described like that I’d be pretty happy! I’d hope that’s what every parent wants to do, protect their children as much as they possibly can and in these circumstances June did what she could and I think the way June handled Hannah was true to what we have been shown of them as a family unit. Absolutely children are traumatised all the time, I’m by no means a young adult (44! ?) but I experienced a significant amount of trauma as a child that has reverberated for decades through my life and I’m in no way a minority, lots of crappy things can happen in life. I’m just not sure of the intent of your comment? That June shouldn’t have seen her child? Or were you simply stating that these things happen in real life?

Yes I’d crawl over broken glass. And although it was traumatic for Hannah to have this very short reunion the positive outweighs the negative, she will no longer have the torment of thinking that her parents abandoned her, she knows that they still love her and miss her. As she grows up she would be gutted if she discovered her mother could have seen her but chose not to, she can now hold onto this memory of her mother to help soothe her sorrow. If that is the last time she ever sees June again she can hold onto the fact that her mother did not let her leave in distress, ignoring her cries, but comforted her with love and well wishes for a new life with her new ‘parents’. This was done at great cost to June but her love for her child overrode her pain and she did the best possible thing under devastating circumstances, she tried to give her child the tools to protect herself and to have a happy life. I thought June was an absolute rock star how she dealt with such an unimaginable situation.

No one is saying that what Serena is doing is like a legal adoption, obviously she’s kidnaped the baby but it is exactly like adoption in the sense that someone other than the biological mother will be raising this baby and that a non-biological parent can do an excellent job of raising a child. With regards to your assertion about adoptive mothers not dry feeding their infants, some do as a way of bonding and comforting the baby and some even lactate - this is possible with a lot of preparation beforehand with medication, pumping and breast manipulation. I know someone who had a child recently via surrogacy and she is breastfeeding her baby.

And just like that he’s toast... https://deadline.com/2018/06/chris-hardwick-amc-pulls-talk-show-comic-con-panels-abuse-allegations-chloe-dyskstra-1202412038/

Chloe Dyskstra’s essay: https://medium.com/@skydart/rose-colored-glasses-6be0594970ca Chris Hardwick’s response: https://deadline.com/2018/06/chris-hardwick-denies-abuse-allegations-chloe-dyskstra-1202411897/

At this point in time I'd be ecstatic if the first shot for next season's premiere is just a title card saying: 'We're sorry, we really fucked things up, we'd like to Bobby Ewing the last 2 seasons and have a do-over. As a token of our appreciation for your patience we will be including at least one scene every episode of Andrew Lincoln running.' Then the episode opens with Rick hearing the children at the gates of Alexandria.

I thought the PSA was a rip off from Mean Girls, maybe that's because I'm old!

It was so boring and disappointing as usual. I dislike when people say they wish a show would end just because they don't like it but that's where I'm at with TWD and have been since Glenn was killed, Carl dying was the last nail in the coffin. I keep watching purely because of AL, I've loved him since Teachers and he plays Rick so well. So either he needs to quit or the show needs to end so I can leave this dysfunctional relationship. I have a hard time not seeing a series through - I grit my teeth through the latter seasons of Dexter and Lost - but without a doubt TWD's decline has been the saddest one of all.

I thought this was interesting, it’s from a producer here in Australia but she also mentions US rules: http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/reality-tv/the-bachelor/exbachelor-producer-reveals-juiciest-secrets-from-the-show/news-story/c904bb6837634d8b65c6c41611fee552

I thought this too but as usual I couldn’t hear very well and couldn’t put CC on.