Janet Snakehole

Poor Brooke. I have a soft spot for her, and seeing her become even more isolated over this season has made me so sad. Poor Sophia too. She deserves better. I knew Daya's mom was lying to Pornstache's mom. This whole storyline is a mess. Still enjoying the Pennsatucky/Boo friendship. Is it bad that I kind of wanted to laugh in Piper's face when Stella said she was leaving? For me, Piper has reverted back to being completely insufferable.

I was laughing at that scene. It was such an early 20s military dude thing to do, film a shirtless dance to Hollaback Girl. I like Bennett, and don't exactly dislike Daya, but I can't blame him at all for wanting to get away from the situation after meeting Cesar. No freaking way is the jail closing. It seems like a silly plot line for unnecessary drama, kind of like Piper being almost transferred last season.

Good point. There probably is no real good solution to this issue, unfortunately. Boo is not one of my favorite characters (especially after the stuff with Little Boo last season), but I really liked her talk with Pennsatucky about abortion. Pennsatucky has against all odds endeared herself to me.

That last five minutes or so were very hard to watch.

Agreed, only I put Alex in the category of being the worst. Zero sympathy for her moping around after being back in jail.

This times a thousand. I actually liked some of the scenes with Kate and Juliet in Season Five in Dharmaville, like when they were trying to save young Ben. I actually thought EL did a better job as an actress of selling friendships with women than romance. Maybe that is because I remember reading that she was just as frustrated with the triangle stuff as many viewers were.

Gotta get that credibility so people tune in for Season 3!

If these rumors are true, it explains a LOT about Jaclyn cooling down to Ryan after her business trip. I believe the stuff about Sean, he has shown himself to be shady and not marriage ready with the timeline of his girlfriend or hook up buddy having a miscarriage so close to the show. I did always find it weird that someone from Jackson, NJ who had a house and job there would sign up for a show with predominantly NY/North NJ participants, if the goal of the show was marriage. I believe the stuff about Ryan the least, I don't like him, but he always struck me as an immature Jersey Shore cast reject not an abuser. But editing stuff out is possible, and hey, it turned out that a couple of the Jersey Shore guys were on drugs. You all are making me want to check out unREAL.

Nope, I am with you. That was just my attempt at weird Duggar logic, where spending 75 dollars a session makes up for messing with your sisters' lives. This logic also applies to a world where Josh gets to work for the FRC and the J-slaves (some of whom were assaulted) get to stay at home all day and raise Michelle's kids for her until they get married off to be under the headship of another fundie boy and get pregnant within a year of the wedding. Yay!

I think the Duggars viewed Josh paying for his own therapy as some kind of adequate punishment for what he had done.

So I tuned in to the last few minutes. I suck. But point being, the pundits were going over how the victims were confirmed in the article. No they weren't. Every site and media I read had policy about not naming the victims/survivors. If anyone was named, posters were admonished. Which I think is the right thing to do. Megyn and the advisor she had had the end (did not catch his name) lamented how the names were obvious. Ok, maybe people could have figured them out, but two of the girls were interviewed on Fox. If they were so opposed to the names being revealed, they could have refused this interview. They just confirmed who the victims were, while being so upset that the vague story got out.

And not to beat a dead horse, but it is not exactly like the military is an organization devoid of people of color.

I saw a lot of hate for Anne on other sites. I particularly remember people being upset because she corrected the spelling of her name at an awards show. I still like Jlaw, but agree with others that she plays a lot of roles that would be better suited to 30 or 40 year olds. Honestly, I would like to see her in a comedy playing her age.

Fair enough on the Jill part. I am going to bow out now, because I don't necessarily agree that Jessa is not letting others (ie, her parents) dictate how she feels. We will never know either way and like you I am not okay with subscribing any specific thought process to her.

On Jessa being empowered by being more stoic.... I said something similar in the Jessa thread, but I can't get behind this thought process 100% just because of the way that her parents have dealt with all of this. I could see this being a reaction she had to them trying to brush everything under the rug. And I don't really know that this is fair to Jill either, just because it makes her look like she is weak because she still (seemingly, another part of this is that we only have a VERY short clip to judge either of them on) has negative feelings about it.

I agree with the idea that Jessa and any victim has the right to react this situation however they want. But I get the idea that by the way her parent's acted in the interview, the situation was treated by the adults that it was no big deal. At least for the girls. It seems as though they were not given any support. So I am just hesitant to say that Jessa has compartmentalized it and that is that. Both the idea that she is hiding behind her more stoic character and that she actually is that stoic make me uncomfortable. I am not going to watch the second part of the interview.

I have been mostly sticking to my preferred forms of media to read about the interview, and they are predictably slamming the Duggars. Which is good for my blood pressure, I was raging last night. Has anyone seen any news outlets not bash them? Just curious to hear.

Fear men, but give them all the power and make them the headship in your family, and if they ever do anything wrong, they don't have to be held completely accountable!The patriarchy is a hell of a drug.

Not to mention that two of them have to be dragged out to an interview to forgive their molester; who gets to hide behind his parents defending him.

I sincerely hope that tonight was the last time I saw these two on tv.

Michelle bugged the hell out of me, she spent the whole interview staring at Jim Bob. Grow up, show some accountability, look Megyn and the camera dead on.

And now they are going to be crusaders for locking up juvenile records. Yup. That is the important part of all of this. Anyone else feel a weird hot ball of rage in their stomach?

On another note, it makes me sad that on this and other forums I read, posters have taken care not to name the victims. To protect their privacy. As we should have. Their own parents are now contributing to outing two of them. They may be grown married women now, but I don't buy that this was entirely their idea. JB and Michelle should feel devastated that strangers on the Internet took more interest in their daughters' privacy.

I guarantee they will say they forgive him, otherwise why would the parents allow them to be interviewed? Ugh.

Almost Famous. I just don't get the love, but it does have a good soundtrack.