Season 21 Live Feed Discussion

[Ellee]

Have a feeling Cliff will appreciate his IRL women even more than he did before.  Just saying.  

[Callaphera]

1 minute ago, Ellee said:

Have a feeling Cliff will appreciate his IRL women even more than he did before.  Just saying.  

IF I HAVE TO HEAR "BEFORE THE WIFE" ONE MORE TIME.

Honestly, I kinda hate Cliff more during this talk. Like, yeah, I'm a Kat fan to the end and so I'm always going to side with her and yes, she's being hypocritical and blah blah blah. But I hate his "let's talk calmly to the hysterical woman" tone of voice and it's gross and I just don't like him. Fuck Cliff.

[mooses]

Christie walks past everyone into bed and says she's not talking to anyone and everyone's a liar.

Jess: "That's not awkward."

Kat: "Well, she's not wrong."

So, naturally, now Christie is actually talking to Kat. 

[Callaphera]

Christie: "Literally? Whoever goes? Be grateful because everyone is a liar."

[mooses]

Oh, wait, now she's out yelling at everyone instead! Her vow of silence lasted...less than a minute.

Edited August 15, 2019 by mooses

[Callaphera]

Christie: rants at the room for three minutes straight. "And I'm done."
Also Christie: continues to rant.

Cliff: "So Cliff's Angels - and let's go on record that I hated that name-"

BUUUUUULLSHIT. No, really. I hate Cliff. 

[mooses]

Tommy leaves the awkward silence: "I love you all so much! If anyone needs to talk, I'm upstairs."

[Ellee]

14 minutes ago, Callaphera said:

IF I HAVE TO HEAR "BEFORE THE WIFE" ONE MORE TIME.

Honestly, I kinda hate Cliff more during this talk. Like, yeah, I'm a Kat fan to the end and so I'm always going to side with her and yes, she's being hypocritical and blah blah blah. But I hate his "let's talk calmly to the hysterical woman" tone of voice and it's gross and I just don't like him. Fuck Cliff.

It’s his schtick talking about his wife and the ‘talking to a hysterical woman’ is his age talking.  I’m old and sometimes I need that voice.  (ETA assuming it’s the voice I think it is)

I am a Kat fan too. For multiple reasons and won’t be happy with either leaving. 

Edited August 15, 2019 by Ellee

[Callaphera]

Me watching the feeds whenever there's a moment of awkward silence:

Edited August 15, 2019 by Callaphera

[Ellee]

Bet Tommy loves cake.  

[Callaphera]

Cliff: "I didn't approach anyone with a deal, they came to me."
Nick: "We never offered him a deal, Cliff came to us!"

Oops. 

[mooses]

Tommy is so pissed off at Cliff. And Holly's getting to say her piece to to Analyse. This whole bananas flip Jessica started...might actually work? 

[Callaphera]

Just now, Ellee said:

Bet Tommy loves cake.  

He also respects cake and is sooo obsessed with it. 

[Ellee]

Why am I seeing Jackson sitting at the counter eating watermelon with Tommy next to him eating cake?

[Callaphera]

Analyse: "I'm not mean unless I need to be."

She gets the unintentional comedy award for tonight's performance. 

[Callaphera]

These guys are still going strong, it's 4 am and I planned to go to bed three hours ago, and Analyse thinks she might have to go to the hospital because her head hurts really bad right now (HOW?! There's nothing in there to hurt). I'm tapping out. I'll leave you with this last squealing chicken quote.

Analyse: "We are all literally fucked up the assholes."

[mertensia]

37 minutes ago, Callaphera said:

These guys are still going strong, it's 4 am and I planned to go to bed three hours ago, and Analyse thinks she might have to go to the hospital because her head hurts really bad right now (HOW?! There's nothing in there to hurt). 

Using multisyllabic words is hard.

Edited August 15, 2019 by mertensia
Better word found

[Lady Calypso]

1 hour ago, mooses said:

Tommy is so pissed off at Cliff. And Holly's getting to say her piece to to Analyse. This whole bananas flip Jessica started...might actually work? 

Nah, I think this definitely ensures Kat goes, I really do. 

I am SO SAD that this all happened while I was asleep. Before I went to bed, Nicole was thinking about flipping. 

[Ellee]

Any chance at all that this is a week where no one goes home?

This is embarrassing but I’d kind of like to read you all posting about Christie’s head exploding and Tommy’s DRs regarding his HOH being a waste and how much he loves B.B.  

😁

[Dmarie019]

So if Nicole only keep cliff because he included her in the deal or is she just closer to cliff than Kat?  I'm not really seeing why she would want to keep cliff over Kat unless she feels threatened about the Kat/Holly/Jackson trio. 

these bozos need to band together

[Scout Finch]

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Callaphera said:

THEY'RE. STILL. TALKING. 

Upon hearing that someone said Analyse was mocking Cliff:

Analyse: "I would NEVER EVER laugh at someone running! 

Unless it's Paul from 90 Day Fiance 'cause We ALL do! 

[Lady Calypso]

12 minutes ago, Dmarie019 said:

So if Nicole only keep cliff because he included her in the deal or is she just closer to cliff than Kat?  I'm not really seeing why she would want to keep cliff over Kat unless she feels threatened about the Kat/Holly/Jackson trio. 

these bozos need to band together

Because Cliff trusts Nicole and will actually put her first. Kat would never put Nicole over Jess and Holly.

It's better for Nicole's game to keep Cliff because of their close relationship. Kat has thrown Nicole under the bus too many times to count. Kat would never truly protect Nicole while Cliff would. So yeah, Nicole keeping Cliff is probably better for her game. 

[Vixenstud]

43 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

Because Cliff trusts Nicole and will actually put her first.

I'm still side-eyeing Cliff due to, when the Six Shitheads were being mean to her because they thought she was the vogue vote, distancing himself from her when she needed him most.

Never been a Kat fan so if she and her unfunny ass can go then all the better.

[Lady Calypso]

5 minutes ago, Vixenstud said:

I'm still side-eyeing Cliff due to, when the Six Shitheads were being mean to her because they thought she was the vogue vote, distancing himself from her when she needed him most.

Never been a Kat fan so if she and her unfunny ass can go then all the better.

Oh, for the record, I definitely don't trust Cliff here. He's just more likely to think of Nicole before Kat ever would, so for Nicole's personal game, she needs to keep Cliff around. I'd be just as happy if Cliff went this week, but Kat's priority will never ever be Nicole. Not unless Holly, Jackson, and Jess got evicted (yes, I think Kat would even prioritize Jackson over Nicole).

Objectively, Kat going is the best move. Subjectively, I couldn't care less. I only like Nicole, even if she's a shitty game player.

[Katesus7]

Well that was fun to read. I think Jess will be my MVP for this season. Not because I particularly like her, or think she’s at all good at this game, but that woman makes shit happen and I am HERE for that. I’m out of town for the next several days so will be relying on this awesome thread to keep me in the loop. I still am not rooting for any of these people to win, so just want drama. 

[Lady Calypso]

1 minute ago, Katesus7 said:

Well that was fun to read. I think Jess will be my MVP for this season. Not because I particularly like her, or think she’s at all good at this game, but that woman makes shit happen and I am HERE for that. I’m out of town for the next several days so will be relying on this awesome thread to keep me in the loop. I still am not rooting for any of these people to win, so just want drama. 

I actually dislike Jess a lot, but....yeah, she seems to at least be doing things to move the game in a direction that I personally prefer. At this rate, I'd be ok if Jess won the game. I wasn't liking the idea before but she's really been doing a lot that I have to, begrudgingly, give her credit for.

Same with Christie and....Jackson. God, I cannot believe I typed out all of that. But Jess, Christie, and Jackson, three houseguests this season who I may dislike the most (besides Sis but she's not part of this for a reason) are doing a decent job at the game, despite being horrible people. Same with Nick, actually...and Tommy.

Meanwhile, all the people I do actually like, for the most part (Nicole, Holly, kinda Cliff) are shitty game players.

Again, that's not to say Jackson or Jess or Christie are strategic masterminds, but they're playing better games and keeping me more entertained. 

As for Sis? She sucks at the game AND is a horrible person so it would be just my luck for her to win this season. Urg. 

To be clear, we do not have a good cast this season. Some of the more likeable ones left early, but I never really fell in love with any of them to begin with, not like last season's cast, anyway. 

[alihart41]

Yeah, Cliff staying is the best for Nicole's game even before last night. They've been close from the start and he's the only one who hasn't blabbed anything she's told him to other people or, you know, expose Cliff's Angels. I think she genuinely loves Kat and wants her to stay, but she knows when push come to shove, she's low on Kat's totem pole. She even told Cliff the other day she would keep him because she can't trust Kat to keep her mouth shut.

[Dance4Life]

I hope Cliff goes home.

I hate how he is so ‘America Beware.’

Dude, totally pandering to get that $25,000.

And, become ‘BB famous.’

I hate how he tries to play father figure to get ahead in his game.

When Cliff was talking to Nicole about joining New 6.....it was sickening!

Nicole should not join New 6.  

Cliff will say anything......and, he told Nicole 90% of lies......just to stay in the house.

He is desperate!

Christie already said......they are voting Cliff out if they get a chance.

(But, do not expect Cliff to put up New 4)

So....nooooo!  Y’all....Nicole and Cliff.....are not safe in ‘Safety Team’.....!

Maybe it is just me......but, I think Cliff will keep going on the Block each week. 🥳

Edited August 15, 2019 by Dance4Life

[sphoebus31]

My hopes for this season are driven by negative feelings vs positive.  I want players to stay in the game who can win comps and take out my targets (in order): Christie, Nick, Jackson, Tommy, Sis, Holly.  So if that means the winner must be one of Cliff, Nicole, Kat or Jess, so be it. I would rather a 'meh' winner than one of the remaining Six Shooters + Nick.

[Dmarie019]

I think Kat is the only HG that I don't want to leave EVER so Im not sure what the rest of this season means for me. 

[Alice Mudgarden]

I'm so confused.

This must be how Analyse feels on a daily basis.

[LGGirl]

17 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

If Jackson leaves next, Christie/Tommy steamroll the season, 100%. They'll bring in Holly, since Holly will have no place else to go, and Nicole and Cliff will be picked off. 

Agree.   I want Jackson to win HOH so bad just to put Tommy and Christie on the block together.  After one of them goes, Jackson can go next.  

[Ellee]

On a side note .....

At work, I received one of those faxes, where someone died, no relatives but since you have the same last name I guarantee you will get benefit of the estate even if you aren't a relative if you follow my instructions.  

How bad is it the the 'firm' is from Brussels, Belgium and I read "Brussel Sprouts".  SMH. 

Followed by me saying 'step away from the machine....step away now.'  😁

[GeorgiaRai]

33 minutes ago, Ellee said:

How bad is it the the 'firm' is from Brussels, Belgium and I read "Brussel Sprouts".  SMH. 

Not quite the same thing, but earlier today, I read "America's Field Trip" as "America's Failed Trip".  Then I realized I wasn't wrong either way.   

[Nashville]

6 hours ago, mooses said:

Jessica says the Holly and Jackson actually want Kat out and are using...reverse psychology, campaigning for Kat because they know that will make everyone want to vote her out?

...Does she actually believe that? Or is this a genius so-stupid-it-just-might-work lie she came up with to campaign for Kat?

I’d guess the latter - and any other season I’d say Jessica was so full of shit she should have roses sprouting outta her ass, but this season...?  Yeah, with this bunch of chucklenuts it just might work....

38 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

Oh, for the record, I definitely don't trust Cliff here. He's just more likely to think of Nicole before Kat ever would, so for Nicole's personal game, she needs to keep Cliff around. I'd be just as happy if Cliff went this week, but Kat's priority will never ever be Nicole. Not unless Holly, Jackson, and Jess got evicted (yes, I think Kat would even prioritize Jackson over Nicole).

Objectively, Kat going is the best move. Subjectively, I couldn't care less. I only like Nicole, even if she's a shitty game player.

Well, let’s be objectively fair for a second; there’s trust and loyalty IRL, then there’s trust and loyalty in BB - and never the twain shall meet.  To attempt to apply real-life standards of trust and loyalty in an atmosphere so utterly removed from reality as a reality show is - well, unrealistic. 😉 

Nicole has two primary allies (Cliff and Kat) OTB this week, one of them is definitely going home, different factions in the House are playing a game of tug-of-war, and Nicole is the rope (or one of them, at least).  Who should Nicole lean towards supporting?  Much as I like both Cliff and Kat - which is to say, to a degree - IMHO the answer is obvious: Cliff.  

Now, is Cliff going to fall on his sword for Nicole, and forfeit his game for her benefit?  Of course not - but (a) neither is Kat, or Nick, or anybody else in this House, and (b) you’d have to be fucking stupid to expect ANYBODY in the House to do such*, and Nicole ain’t fucking stupid.

What Cliff DOES do for Nicole which separates him from the pack, though, is this: every time an opportunity for negotiation or deal-making opens up, Cliff’s very first move is to find out if any proposed protections being extended to him would/could cover Nicole as well.  Now, maybe they do and maybe they don’t - but even if they don’t AND Cliff still ends up going with the deal, his first move is to look out for Nicole’s interests at every opportunity.  And that’s more game loyalty than Nicole has gotten - or is likely to get - from any other player this season.

*Well, that or named Amanda Zuckerman - but now you’re getting into the difference between being fucking stupid and being a full-on psycho zit-sucking hosebeast from Hell, and I don’t feel like splitting hairs THAT far.

37 minutes ago, Katesus7 said:

I think Jess will be my MVP for this season. Not because I particularly like her, or think she’s at all good at this game, but that woman makes shit happen and I am HERE for that. 

I can’t get behind Jessica for one simple reason; while some of her moves have played out well strategically, I can’t shake the impression that strategy has not been her primary motivator.  Said primary motivator generally appears to be more about personal pique than anything else, to be honest; Jessica gets upset because she was “left out” of something (usually an alliance), she gets pissed, and she blows up the offending shit to the House - and God help you if she’s HoH when she gets pissed.  

Such tactics have benefited Jessica’s game more often than not to date, but I have the overriding impression such benefit has been more the product of good luck than good strategy - and anybody who’s been around here for more than one season knows my opinion of any “strategy” which requires luck to succeed (spoiler alert: that’s a “wish”, not a “strategy”).

[Dmarie019]

1 minute ago, Nashville said:

Nicole has two primary allies (Cliff and Kat) OTB this week, one of them is definitely going home, different factions in the House are playing a game of tug-of-war, and Nicole is the rope (or one of them, at least).  Who should Nicole lean towards supporting?  Much as I like both Cliff and Kat - which is to say, to a degree - IMHO the answer is obvious: Cliff.  

Now, is Cliff going to fall on his sword for Nicole, and forfeit his game for her benefit?  Of course not - but (a) neither is Kat, or Nick, or anybody else in this House, and (b) you’d have to be fucking stupid to expect ANYBODY in the House to do such*, and Nicole ain’t fucking stupid.

What Cliff DOES do for Nicole which separates him from the pack, though, is this: every time an opportunity for negotiation or deal-making opens up, Cliff’s very first move is to find out if any proposed protections being extended to him would/could cover Nicole as well.  Now, maybe they do and maybe they don’t - but even if they don’t AND Cliff still ends up going with the deal, his first move is to look out for Nicole’s interests at every opportunity.  And that’s more game loyalty than Nicole has gotten - or is likely to get - from any other player this season.

Stop making so much sense! 😭😭😭

[Growsonwalls]

So I guess I missed some drama? Who’s going home now? 

[Nashville]

3 minutes ago, Dmarie019 said:

Stop making so much sense! 😭😭😭

Derned if my wife isn’t constantly saying the same thing.  Pity the poor woman; y’all just get the occasional BB-oriented dribble-dribbles, while she has to put up with my shit 24/7 on everything else.  😆

[Ellee]

8 minutes ago, Growsonwalls said:

So I guess I missed some drama? Who’s going home now? 

I wish I could say me but I'm stuck here for another 6 hours,  🙄

Last I read it was still Kat ... is it up in the air again?

[Lady Calypso]

11 minutes ago, Growsonwalls said:

So I guess I missed some drama? Who’s going home now? 

Still Kat, just more solid now that Jess blew up her game as well as Kat's.

Nicole also flipped back to keeping Cliff just as everything happened.

They will definitely get rid of Kat now.

[Ellee]

NM

Edited August 15, 2019 by Ellee

[Eyeland Baby]

51 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

They will definitely get rid of Kat now.

But... but... anything can happen! Right? We’ve got seven hours. Come on, production, make something happen. Conspire, bitches!

[Mystery]

1 hour ago, Nashville said:

I can’t get behind Jessica for one simple reason; while some of her moves have played out well strategically, I can’t shake the impression that strategy has not been her primary motivator.  Said primary motivator generally appears to be more about personal pique than anything else

This is of course 100% true, but I'd still rather watch someone who acts for her or his own personal crappy reasons than someone who puts people up because it's "what the house wants." I hate that. (And it's all about me, right?) 

[Ellee]

6 minutes ago, Mystery said:

This is of course 100% true, but I'd still rather watch someone who acts for her or his own personal crappy reasons than someone who puts people up because it's "what the house wants." I hate that. (And it's all about me, right?) 

Well, crap.  I thought it was all about me! 😁

[mooses]

I liked that Tommy set Nick straight about being mad at Nicole for having Cliff's Angels on the side and didn't tell him. Tommy repeatedly told him she didn't have to tell him and pointed out the relationships/allegiances Nick has that he hasn't been totally truthful to Nicole about.  

The funny thing is that Holly/Kat couldn't understand why Jessica was throwing Holly so hard under the bus to Analyse last night, but I really think it's because she's the one person Kat's whole campaign worked on. Jess is the one person who refuses to believe Holly/Jackson are actually on Kat's side, and she thinks Kat is going home because of them, not anything she did.

1 hour ago, Nashville said:

What Cliff DOES do for Nicole which separates him from the pack, though, is this: every time an opportunity for negotiation or deal-making opens up, Cliff’s very first move is to find out if any proposed protections being extended to him would/could cover Nicole as well.  Now, maybe they do and maybe they don’t - but even if they don’t AND Cliff still ends up going with the deal, his first move is to look out for Nicole’s interests at every opportunity.  And that’s more game loyalty than Nicole has gotten - or is likely to get - from any other player this season.

To add on, Jess made the decision even clearer, now, after Nicole was wavering - Cliff is now the only ally who hasn't run their mouth about things Nicole told them that's gotten back to her (and maybe Nick, who does tell Tommy/Analyse things, but they haven't necessarily blown up in Nicole's face). 

Edited August 15, 2019 by mooses

[HighMaintenance]

On 8/14/2019 at 2:35 PM, iMonrey said:

Will from BB5 did some gay porn afterwards.

22 hours ago, Alice Mudgarden said:

I think Steven from BB10 did also.

18 hours ago, HurricaneVal said:

Why?  Is this just what famewhores do to extend their reality TV based fifteen minutes of fame?  Or are they actively recruited by the porn industry as BB alums?  Or does BB just attract the kind of hamster who has an inevitable future in porn?

(I'm also wondering if the pornos they film have anything to do with BB style themes, because if so, there's a huge BB subculture out there I know nothing about....)

16 hours ago, Maverick said:

I doubt they're pursued that hard but rather express some interest.  I'm sure they seek it out for continued fame and if they do the producers eat it up because people are always titillated seeing someone in porn that's known for more than porn.   It's really no different then when it was a BFD for a female celebrity to pose in Playboy. 

I'm by no means a gay porn expert, but I do know a few things about the 2 hamsters in question.  Neither has done any adult projects that were BB related or themed AFAIK.

Will (Wikle) pretty much stuck to mainstream gigs after his season.  He hosted a travel show on LogoTV for a season or 2 I believe and then appeared in some low budget gay themed movies. To my knowledge he's only done 1 gay hardcore video in 2016. 

Steven Daigle went into the gay porn industry a year or 2 after his BB season.  He's done several videos and worked for several different studios over the last decade.   I don't think he has done any porn work for several years.  He has had some brushes with the law for domestic battery.

Doing adult vids are career paths with a very short shelf life and most of the "actors" never get back into legit mainstream projects.  

Edited August 15, 2019 by HighMaintenance

[HurricaneVal]

Kat's last ditch effort today should be concentrated on her certainty she's going to the jury house to rejoin...her secret crush and object of horny desire....Jack.   She should wax rhapsodic about how they'll have one full week of privacy where they can make luuuuurve on every horizontal and vertical surface of the jury house, and twice in the pool.  She should go on and on gushing about his luscious locks, and how she just wants to twine them around her fingers while she mesmerizes herself braiding his hair into intricate love patterns.  She should exclaim how much she's looking forward to leaping into his arms and cuddling for a solid week of bliss.  Perhaps by next Wednesday night, they could convince a production assistant to get ordained online to perform marriages, and they could get married right there in the jury house, on live TV....how awesome is that?

Anallice would explode, and it would be ON.  Bye, Cliff!  Kat would have to choke back some bile to remain convincing, but I think our girl's got it....

[Dmarie019]

17 minutes ago, mooses said:

Jess is the one person who refuses to believe Holly/Jackson are actually on Kat's side, and she thinks Kat is going home because of them, not anything she did.

I tuned into this last night when she was talking to Nicole. It was a little hard to hear so I wasn't sure if I was hearing her right but now you're pretty much confirmed it.  Jess thinks that Holly/Jackson want Kat gone. And she thinks that if they were actually working together then Holly/Jackson would have tried to talk to Jess/Nicole to try and keep Kat - but they didn't so that means they aren't working together and they want Kat to be evicted.

[Nashville]

24 minutes ago, mooses said:

I liked that Tommy set Nick straight about being mad at Nicole for having Cliff's Angels on the side and didn't tell him. Tommy repeatedly told him she didn't have to tell him and pointed out the relationships/allegiances Nick has that he hasn't been totally truthful to Nicole about.  

I missed this, unfortunately, but - GOOD.  I don’t know how or when in the past week or so Nick suddenly decided Nicole owed her entire existence in the game to his “protection”; the dust stirred up by the extraordinary amount of bullshit Nick has been shoveling in service to this story line is starting to aggravate my sinuses, though, so I’ll be perfectly happy if/when Nick knocks it the fuck OFF.

[Ellee]

From ziggyspice at Jokers:

DEAR CBS: Pleas cast a season full of people that have WATCHED the show, KNOW the game and have higher IQs than a sack of potatoes. please and thank you . Sincerely, ALL FANS NT
08/15/19 12:03 PM

Edited August 15, 2019 by Ellee