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10 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

We have also been introduced to a third candidate who is competent and seemingly decent but boring, so now this guy can win so that Dixon loses and Travis can stay in the fire house. 

Yes, we finally got to see the third guy.  About time.  He does seem decent enough, so I hope he wins.  Travis will still be popular even losing.

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On 4/7/2023 at 5:16 PM, Crashcourse said:

Travis will still be popular even losing.

The whole thing just makes me crazy.  Travis has no campaign.  He has a campaign manager, but nothing else.  He seemingly has little to no real agenda, does no little campaigning and has no experience that would prepare him for being Mayor of a large city.  Even for this show, it's absurd. 

On the positive side, I'm deeply curious about the ad campaign Dixon is threatening to run targeting Travis' mother?!?!  What's that even about?  It just sounds bonkers and I'm here for that.

And, per usual, these idiots can't even handle a non-fire without undermining one another and thinking they all know better than the interim Captain.  As noted by one of my fellow commenters last week, Sullivan, you were stealing drugs from the aid car and caused a huge scandal during your last run as Captain.  Maybe get over yourself.

The Pregnancy Crisis Center storyline felt like it belonged on another show.         

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Travis originally got into the campaign only to draw enough votes away from Dixon so Dixon would lose. He never wanted to be mayor. He was trying to be a spoiler to thwart the show's biggest villain. I think he knows he has no agenda other than that and he was having nightmares about winning recently because he really doesn't want to win.

But it makes me laugh because it wouldn't be the first time an unqualified person ran for office and got traction for stupid reasons. I think the whole storyline is about how stupid politics is, and how much image and slogans matter instead of substance. 

I never understood why he thought anyone who was interested in voting for Dixon would switch their vote to Travis, but that was the way he always framed his candidacy until now. I think he's more likely to draw votes away from the "competent but boring" guy, and thus cause Dixon to win.

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3 hours ago, txhorns79 said:

On the positive side, I'm deeply curious about the ad campaign Dixon is threatening to run targeting Travis' mother?!?!  What's that even about?  It just sounds bonkers and I'm here for that.

I thought he was threatening to run ads about how Travis's father cheated on his mother with a man. I forget if his mother knew that, but I assume she wouldn't want it to be public knowledge.

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It's the kind of ad that might intimidate a candidate into dropping out, to protect his family, but I don't think it would sway voters away from Travis and towards Dixon, in Seattle of all places! None of that would be Travis's fault in any way, and it would only make Dxon look worse. 

But he's a mustache twirling villain, so that's still probably what he had in mind.

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But will Eli still try to date Andy while at the same time having sex with Travis?  That will be the interesting twist to this whole thing (keeping both of them secret from one another).  

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Hi folks,

I don't usually watch this show and I apologize if I'm breaking protocol, but I happened to catch the crossover episode on 3/30 with the social media couple in the cave, and I was wondering if anyone here knew if they followed up on them (the couple) in the Grey's episode (which I didn't watch). S19 ended with him dumping her for being more interested in (or addicted to) Likes than she was in him, or even in preserving her own life. Does anyone know if that's where it stayed, or did they reconcile in the second hour? TIA for any info.

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42 minutes ago, MarkHB said:

Hi folks,

I don't usually watch this show and I apologize if I'm breaking protocol, but I happened to catch the crossover episode on 3/30 with the social media couple in the cave, and I was wondering if anyone here knew if they followed up on them (the couple) in the Grey's episode (which I didn't watch). S19 ended with him dumping her for being more interested in (or addicted to) Likes than she was in him, or even in preserving her own life. Does anyone know if that's where it stayed, or did they reconcile in the second hour? TIA for any info.

No, there was nothing about them in Grey's. It was barely a crossover. The only thing that was carried over was Maya and Ben being worried about their spouses (who were both fine and they found that out pretty quickly).

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I am glad they ended the election storyline.  It was dumb when it started.  It was dumb when it ended.  At least they recognized that one candidate was just going to be a spoiler and would give the election to Dixon if they both stayed in the race.

The rest, meh. 

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On 4/12/2023 at 6:02 PM, KaveDweller said:

No, there was nothing about them in Grey's. It was barely a crossover. The only thing that was carried over was Maya and Ben being worried about their spouses (who were both fine and they found that out pretty quickly).

I appreciate it, thanks!

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Ah, so Maya does the right thing and talks to Carina and then Andy about Dixon's leverage. Now, not so great to tell Andy, who has a less than excited reaction. I'm glad Maya/Carina are somewhat figuring out their new normal. 

We all knew the election storyline could only end in either Travis quitting and becoming Mayor or Travis staying as a firefighter, so there was zero question what he'd end up choosing. Which really has left this entire storyline a pointless drawn out mess for the last two seasons. 

I did chuckle at Travis and Andy finding out about their true connection to Eli. Though Eli's pissed at Travis (rightfully so; how did nobody fill Eli in on the fact that Travis wasn't serious about becoming Mayor??) so who knows where that'll go.

The Jack head injury storyline felt like a waste of time, unless it's supposed to be leading to some other major diagnosis next episode.

Sullivan/Ross are annoying together. Ross declares her love for Sullivan, and Sullivan...pouts because he can't get promoted. It's not like Ross is doing anything noble here; she's doing it for herself, but Sullivan seems to have this view that he's being wronged for no reason. He did something very similar with Andy, as well, when she wanted to get promoted back in season 3 and he was the Ross in that situation. So it seems hypocritical that he's so upset that he's acting like a child. 

The two are better off breaking up. It'll help Ross' character and then Sullivan can go get promoted somewhere else. 

I don't like Theo's attitude but at least he's getting some development, even if it's making him be an ass. Someone has to realize that Theo's not well either and get him to step down as Captain because it's clearly stressing him out, right? This isn't the Theo we've known, so we know it's a situational response.

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55 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

The Jack head injury storyline felt like a waste of time, unless it's supposed to be leading to some other major diagnosis next episode.

I'm thinking that someone Jack will need a kidney or something and one of his siblings will step up to donate.

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12 hours ago, txhorns79 said:

I am glad they ended the election storyline.  It was dumb when it started.  It was dumb when it ended.  At least they recognized that one candidate was just going to be a spoiler and would give the election to Dixon if they both stayed in the race.

The rest, meh. 

The storyline actually infuriated me somewhat because although Travis was on the "good" side fighting the evil Dixon, it just seemed to enforce a narrative in the world that competence and knowledge aren't necessary to govern well.

Especially in City governments or state governments there is so much minutiae that needs to be dealt with and even if one theoretically has staff that briefs you, the ultimate decision maker should know enough to be able to make an informed decision. 


Not to mention that there is an art to getting policies through.

There just seems to be a general feeling in the USA (and perhaps other places) that any fool can do anything - perhaps it is part of the Dr. Google syndrome in which people feel they have more knowledge than doctors although obviously an informed patient is going to be at an advantage. 

It is ironic because the firepeople and EMT's are highly trained and I would imagine wouldn't think anyone could replace them because they had watched a few Youtube stuff on fire fighting.

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I'm so glad that this election story is finally over, ending the only way that it possibly could. The boring but competent progressive third candidate pointed out the blindingly obvious, that he and Travis are going to split the vote and help Dixon possibly win, so Travis stepped down so that the other guy could be mayor. This whole thing has been so stupid, I'm glad that its finally over with.

Travis and Andy finding out about each other things with Eli was worth a chuckle, but I felt badly for Eli. He had no idea that Travis never intended to actually be mayor, he wasted his time and effort trying to get someone elected to never wanted to be elected. Its even more awkward considering they slept together, this is one of many reasons why you shouldn't bang your campaign manager. 

Theo isn't impressing me as captain. I'm still pissed that he stole credit for what Vic did and now he's throwing his weight around in a way that makes it seem like he's both really feeling himself and he's massively insecure about his position. 

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2 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

Travis and Andy finding out about each other things with Eli was worth a chuckle, but I felt badly for Eli. He had no idea that Travis never intended to actually be mayor, he wasted his time and effort trying to get someone elected to never wanted to be elected. Its even more awkward considering they slept together, this is one of many reasons why you shouldn't bang your campaign manager. 

Yeah, it really sucks Eli never knew Travis wasn't serious. Travis should have told him that from the start, to see if he still wanted to do it. Eli worked really hard on that campaign. Even if it was kind of a dick move to sleep with Travis while flirting/pursuing Andy.

Who was funding Travis's campaign by the way? He must have been paying Eli.

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I don't feel sorry for Eli because he'll probably get a job with the competent, hopefully soon to be mayor.  Also, he could have said "no" to sleeping with Travis but he didn't, so I don't all the blame on Travis.  Plus, he wanted to date Andy at the same time.  

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I'm going to be haunted by that death in the fire.

What the hell does Sullivan want from Ross? Last week he was angry because she wanted their relationship to be secret. Now he's angry because she outed them. Get angry at Dixon, get angry at the ironies and complications of life. But his habit of taking it all out on her is bad news in any supposed partnership. That's not how you handle a relationship with someone you love. Frankly, she's too good for him. He's a petulant baby. And also, there's a reason there's a rule against dating a subordinate. 

Speaking of which, Theo is being such a dick to Vic. He's not like that with everyone else, so it's definitely about her. And that makes me sad. I really like Vic.

I'm glad Jack recovered from his concussion and it wasn't a carry-over story. I'm tired of Jack In Peril.

I hope Maya and Carina can work it out. I was never that into their relationship, I don't like Carina in general but she's been right about Maya lately and that's actually made me like her more. And I guess I like seeing couples work things out.

Travis and Andy trying to put their friendship first was nice, too. I'm a bit maxed out on relationship angst.

That fire death was so painful, I can't get over it.

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They didn't have to show that poor guy suffering before he died in the fire.  They could have just said they couldn't get him out.  It was very disturbing to watch and I'm pissed off at the writers. 

I think that Carine still doesn't completely trust Maya.  I wouldn't trust her either.

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On 4/20/2023 at 7:11 PM, possibilities said:

And also, there's a reason there's a rule against dating a subordinate. 

What is the rule in their universe? There's been a lot of dating and hooking up with subordinates on this show. Also, would the chief really be the person making decisions about promotions and interim promotions at the levels below assistant chief or deputy chief? Or would the captain be the one making decisions about promoting people to lieutenant? Maybe captains would be the people determining who gets promoted to lieutenant. Maybe they would also follow a process set by and monitored by HR. Finally, Natasha who likely isn't represented by the union should have consulted with HR. 

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34 minutes ago, Rae Spellman said:

What is the rule in their universe? There's been a lot of dating and hooking up with subordinates on this show. Also, would the chief really be the person making decisions about promotions and interim promotions at the levels below assistant chief or deputy chief? Or would the captain be the one making decisions about promoting people to lieutenant? Maybe captains would be the people determining who gets promoted to lieutenant. Maybe they would also follow a process set by and monitored by HR. Finally, Natasha who likely isn't represented by the union should have consulted with HR. 

Doesn't Ross have the same position that Vic's ex had? They were going to get married to get around the rule. I guess Ross and Sullivan don't want to get married....

No one on the show seems to have pointed out that Vic and Theo are dating and he is now captain. That seems more problematic since he is the one giving her orders on a daily basis, and may have to decide what to do if she and others in a life threatening situation.

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18 hours ago, KaveDweller said:

Doesn't Ross have the same position that Vic's ex had? They were going to get married to get around the rule. I guess Ross and Sullivan don't want to get married....

No one on the show seems to have pointed out that Vic and Theo are dating and he is now captain. That seems more problematic since he is the one giving her orders on a daily basis, and may have to decide what to do if she and others in a life threatening situation.

In a real-world situation, it would be problematic, but since the series started with a father being Captain to his daughter and nobody having a problem with it, then boyfriend being Captain to his girlfriend shouldn't exactly be that big a deal either.

 

 

 

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26 minutes ago, Ceindreadh said:

In a real-world situation, it would be problematic, but since the series started with a father being Captain to his daughter and nobody having a problem with it, then boyfriend being Captain to his girlfriend shouldn't exactly be that big a deal either.

Oh, yeah, I forgot about how Andy's father was her captain. But this show lives in the Grey's universe where everyone who works together is either related or sleeping together. I guess I should expect it.

But Ross shouldn't get fired when she hasn't done anything everyone else hasn't. Plus, I like her.

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1 hour ago, KaveDweller said:

Oh, yeah, I forgot about how Andy's father was her captain. But this show lives in the Grey's universe where everyone who works together is either related or sleeping together. I guess I should expect it.

But Ross shouldn't get fired when she hasn't done anything everyone else hasn't. Plus, I like her.

In the other two examples, it was the male that was senior.   I think there is some sexism at work.  

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23 hours ago, KaveDweller said:

 

No one on the show seems to have pointed out that Vic and Theo are dating and he is now captain. That seems more problematic since he is the one giving her orders on a daily basis, and may have to decide what to do if she and others in a life threatening situation.

My guess would be it is different if there is a pre-existing relationship. 

I didn't really understand the juxtaposition of scenes from people suffering from the fire with Maya and Carina having shower sex.  It felt exploitative of the women.

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Wasn't she dating a Captain and not the Chief of the entire fire department?  I believe a captain had responsibility for the entire fire crew (wasn't Beckett the captain of 19?) but the chief has responsibility for the entire city's fire department.  

The worst thing about the death is that he didn't pass out from smoke inhalation because he had the oxygen tank on so he was aware of everything that had happened up until his succumbing to the flames.  He would have been better off throwing off the mask when he realized that things were hopeless.  What a miserable/brutal way to die.

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Lucas Ripley, Vic's guy was the Fire Chief. Apparently, It's not okay for Natasha to date Robert, a guy she knew years ago. But, it was/is okay for Andy/Robert, Andy/Beckett, Andy/Jack, Maya/Jack, Ripley/Vic, and Theo/Vic to date, hook up, or whatever when one of them had/has a higher rank. 

That said, Robert and Natasha are a mess. If they are really in love, Robert going to a neighboring fire department that's closer than the place he applied could have been an easy solution. Of course, his drug problem might make it more difficult for him to secure employment elsewhere.

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That guy dying horribly in the fire was shockingly brutal, its been awhile since we saw a fire death, let alone one so horrifying. 

I'm glad that Maya really does seem to be trying to work on herself, but it seems like they will have to work really hard to get their marriage back on track if Carina cant trust her. I don't blame Carina for being worried that Maya will slip back into her old ways, they've been here before, their whole relationship has been drama. 

Ross really shouldn't be fired for doing something that it seems like everyone in this universe is doing with no issue. Sullivan really should seriously consider transferring to another fire department, but he wont do that because he's making all of this about him, what a mess. 

Also a mess is Vic and Theo, he's really been a huge dick to her ever since he stole her credit and got promoted. Maybe he feels guilty and he's subcontiously pushing her away so he doesn't have to deal with it?

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Didn’t Theo get a bit of a reality check when he condescended to the woman with the long hair and she told him that she’d been offered the job and turned it down. (Sorry, I don’t know all the names)

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2 minutes ago, DEL901 said:

Didn’t Theo get a bit of a reality check when he condescended to the woman with the long hair and she told him that she’d been offered the job and turned it down. (Sorry, I don’t know all the names)

Yes, that was Andy who set him straight.  

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Good for Ross for fighting for her position.

Is it weird if I say I kind of liked Beckett in this episode?

Ruiz better not get to stay as full time captain. He is only acting captain because Andy said no to a temporary spot. And after her pep talk to Ross, Andy kind of deserves it.

Of course, Maya may be insufferable if she isn't made new captain.

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It's not just that Andy deserves it, but also that Ruiz doesn't really seem to be handling it well. He's done okay on rescues but he's being a complete dick to Vic, and not just in their personal relationship. She was noticing the red flags with Beckett, that he may be a suicide risk, and Ruiz doesn't care. He's smug. He also took credit for what he and Vic did on that call that Ross, and hasn't seemed at all interested in sharing the credit. I don't think Vic wants the captain job-- she runs Crisis One, so she's already got a program leadership role. But Ruiz is really showing he's not ready for the Captain job. 

I hope Maya has learned her lesson and won't flip out if she's not immediately promoted 10 seconds after coming back from her breakdown. 

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20 minutes ago, possibilities said:

It's not just that Andy deserves it, but also that Ruiz doesn't really seem to be handling it well. He's done okay on rescues but he's being a complete dick to Vic, and not just in their personal relationship. She was noticing the red flags with Beckett, that he may be a suicide risk, and Ruiz doesn't care. He's smug. He also took credit for what he and Vic did on that call that Ross, and hasn't seemed at all interested in sharing the credit. I don't think Vic wants the captain job-- she runs Crisis One, so she's already got a program leadership role. But Ruiz is really showing he's not ready for the Captain job. 

I hope Maya has learned her lesson and won't flip out if she's not immediately promoted 10 seconds after coming back from her breakdown. 

I think would have to be promoted to Lt. first before becoming a Captain (I could be wrong)  Not sure how it works, but there are already 4 Lts at 19 (Andy, Maya, Sullivan and Ruiz), I don't know if they need a 5th (although if Sullivan leaves, there would be an opening)

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I think that's true-- Vic isn't a Lt. I forgot about that.

But Ruiz is still treating her badly, and shouldn't have dismissed her concerns about Beckett's state of mind (she's right that he's showing red flags; she is an expert from her Crisis One training but it was so obvious that even I noticed it while watching the episode, before she mentioned it). And Ruiz not only missed that, but he seems determined to belittle Vic lately, both personally and professionally. 

I don't think Sullivan deserves it. I loved seeing Andy call him out for his self-absorption. Aside from the politics of Ross promoting him right now, I genuinely think he would be a terrible captain and he needs to grow the hell up first. He wasn't good when he was captain before. I've seen nothing to suggest he'd be better on a 2nd try.

Gibson said he doesn't want it.

Giving it to Andy seems obvious, but TV likes drama so there will no doubt be a messy fight and hurt feelings and people getting upset along the way.

 

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14 hours ago, possibilities said:

But Ruiz is still treating her badly, and shouldn't have dismissed her concerns about Beckett's state of mind (she's right that he's showing red flags; she is an expert from her Crisis One training but it was so obvious that even I noticed it while watching the episode, before she mentioned it). And Ruiz not only missed that, but he seems determined to belittle Vic lately, both personally and professionally. 

I immediately noticed Beckett's complete change of personality and then he gave Ruiz his prized possession. Even I remember those are warning signs of suicide from a health class decades ago. Ruiz just blew it off. Maybe when Beckett actually attempts suicide, Ruiz will realize he is not ready to be captain after all. 

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7 hours ago, Faceplant said:

Ruiz just blew it off. Maybe when Beckett actually attempts suicide, Ruiz will realize he is not ready to be captain after all. 

In fairness to Ruiz, these people are all crazy dramatic.  I'd tune out their mood swings too, after dealing with them for a while.

And jeez, does Ross have no friends or peers?  Why is Herrera the one to give her pep talks? 

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I think Ross has been so focused on her career that she hasn't formed personal relationships with many people over the years.  I like the character though and hope that she continues on and is successful.

I think Ruiz is acting more out of fear than anything else - having lost his best friend in a fire in a situation which may or may not have been his fault when he was captain before (if I'm remembering correctly - I know it was Travis's husband, I THINK he was the captain at that station) - he is terrified of doing something wrong and instead of working through his fears he has become insufferable.

But yes, I agree.  If Beckett is not going to be captain then it should be Andi's job.  Which is kind of her fault - she shouldn't have turned down the opportunity when it arose in the first place.  

I don't like the new female firefighter and are they going to set her up with Gibson?  Speaking of that - I really like Gibson right now.  

Not happy about Ben's story arc.  What happened in that fire was dreadful but he needs to go and talk to that miracle counselor and get over it.

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59 minutes ago, RoxiP said:

 

I think Ruiz is acting more out of fear than anything else - having lost his best friend in a fire in a situation which may or may not have been his fault when he was captain before (if I'm remembering correctly - I know it was Travis's husband, I THINK he was the captain at that station) - he is terrified of doing something wrong and instead of working through his fears he has become insufferable.

 

Yes, he was the Captain for that incident.  I don't recall if he was demoted to Lt. in the aftermath, or voluntarily returned to that rank.

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I imagine Ben is as resistant to therapy as Maya was. I'd love to see Diane try to wrangle him. He will never go without being forced, though. Maybe Miranda will make him do it. Right now, I don't see anyone at 19 noticing if Ben needs help, let alone mandating he gets it. And they will probably try to mix up the way the story plays out, since they just did a Maya breakdown and a Jack breakdown, so I'm not sure how they will have a Ben breakdown play out. He was off the rails during the sting operation at the anti-abortion clinic, so he has been showing signs of wear even before the fire catastrophe. I imagine they have a plan but I don't know what it is at this point. 

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Just now, possibilities said:

I imagine Ben is as resistant to therapy as Maya was. I'd love to see Diane try to wrangle him. He will never go without being forced, though. Maybe Miranda will make him do it. Right now, I don't see anyone at 19 noticing if Ben needs help, let alone mandating he gets it. And they will probably try to mix up the way the story plays out, since they just did a Maya breakdown and a Jack breakdown, so I'm not sure how they will have a Ben breakdown play out. He was off the rails during the sting operation at the anti-abortion clinic, so he has been showing signs of wear even before the fire catastrophe. I imagine they have a plan but I don't know what it is at this point. 

Part of the problem is that he is on leave due to his injury, so his firefighter friends are not seeing him routinely to notice.  Miranda does but she doesn't seem to be able to break through to him.

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6 hours ago, transitfan said:

Yes, he was the Captain for that incident.  I don't recall if he was demoted to Lt. in the aftermath, or voluntarily returned to that rank.

I'm pretty sure he was voluntarily demoted after the incident. 

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12 hours ago, RoxiP said:

I don't like the new female firefighter and are they going to set her up with Gibson?  Speaking of that - I really like Gibson right now. 

I keep forgetting to comment on this. I don't like the new female firefighter either. She is annoying and unnecessary.

I hope they don't set her up with Gibson. I wanted Gibson to get a storyline exploring getting to know his sister and the rest of his family. The sister and her friend were in that episode where they got hurt being dumb teenagers and we haven't seen her since, right?

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I think the new firefighter is just there as a sub while Ben is on medical leave?  I'm not enjoying her, either. She seems to have a chip on her shoulder and be hostile to the group, which makes her just look insecure and stupid, to my eyes. YOu don't come into a job like this and not at least give it a minute before you come to conclusions or try to alienate your co-workers. SHe is going to have to work closely with them in high pressure situations, so have an open mind and suss the place out before you act obnoxious.

 

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Ruiz is going to regret blowing off Vic's concerns about Beckett, I think that there is definitely something up with him. He's asking so different and being so vague about his recovery, its at least worth a check in with him. Ruiz needs to stop being such a dismissive ass to Vic, especially considering he only got this job because he took the credit for what she did. Andy seems like the best choice for captain by now, I'm not impressed by Ruiz lately. 

I don't like the new firefighter, she's annoying and needlessly combative. I really don't want her with Jack, he deserves a better story than another destructive romance. I want to see him getting to know his biological family and dealing with how he fits into their family, I especially want to meet his parents. 

I'm glad that Ross is fighting for her job, I like her. Sullivan really is being a whiner, he's always pouting over things and putting himself first.

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On 5/8/2023 at 4:42 PM, transitfan said:

Yes, he was the Captain for that incident.  I don't recall if he was demoted to Lt. in the aftermath, or voluntarily returned to that rank

I think the second: voluntary.

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Although I think Maya giving Beckett the bottle was an a**hole move I also think that if he chose to drink it that is not her fault.  

I also think the new female firefighter might have the hots for Ruiz and that their closeness might come between him and Vic.

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The election results weren't really suspenseful, because I knew that if Dixon won, there would be some kind of plot to have him die or something bad happen and someone else would end up being mayor (are there deputy mayors in Seattle?). 

Sorry, but I had to laugh when Maya went spinning around on that roller.  Just hanging there.  I thought they had already done that bit on this show, but I think it was '9-1-1' that had the car wash guy get caught and they watched the video of him going round and round.

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Honestly, I know Vic isn't eligible, but she probably deserves being Captain more than anyone else at this point.

I still can't stand Sullivan. Lying to Andi was not wrong "because it's a trigger for her". It's just wrong, period. But he always has to make himself feel like the big hero, and put her down as damaged. Honestly, I don't know what Ross sees in him.

Ben should accept the award but talk at the ceremony about the team, and his grief over the person who died, and his complex feelings about being honored. Also, while it's true that Seattle Grace is prone to more catastrophes than most hospitals, the life saving that doctors do is not as personally risky as the lifesaving that firefighters do, so maybe he should go see Diane instead of stewing in his pain and maybe winding up like Beckett. The scene with the spider bite guy and his wife was nice, though. 

I hope Jack and Lila still get along and their reunion doesn't prove disappointing. 

I thought there was a little too much chemistry between Maya and Jack when they were talking after the car wash rescue. I really hope that's not foreshadowing. I'm ready for Maya and Carina to be happy and drama-free.I'm dreading a baby plot, though.

 

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