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There is no chance in hell that if she'd been the housekeeper instead of a millionaire guest with connections to help his career they'd be together.

Which...could be said about all of the women on this show currently, in one way or another.

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17 hours ago, steelcitysister said:

 

 

It does not sound like a happy union.

oh wow, yeah, CBK sounds like she was a complete sweetheart....(sarcasm)

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24 minutes ago, Atlanta said:

Yikes! I hadn't heard all of that. It makes me wonder what attracted John to her.

Because in many ways, she was just like his mother, JBKO, who he adored.

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37 minutes ago, Atlanta said:

Yikes! I hadn't heard all of that. It makes me wonder what attracted John to her.

I mean, what abstractly would attract people to JFK Sr and/or Bill Clinton, just to cite examples of two unsavory personalities? Who on earth would marry Uncle Teddy in his dotage?

Carolyn was beautiful as well as dazzlingly stylish IMO and by most accounts could be magnetically warm and charming.

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FWIW- I wasn't claiming Enquirer & the lot are valid sources, I was noting that they use Carole's book as a source. And from there they add other crap since they have a seed to start upon.

Also- Old age Teddy was probably preferable Teddy since he had finally gotten his vices mostly under control. His son wrote an interesting book on addiction and mental health with a pretty heavy dose of family and self reflection. Or both Victoria Reggie and JFK Jr had definitive Captain Save-a-Ho tendencies. Which isn't too different from half the pairings we have seen on (and hidden from) this franchise. 

We definitely see that Carole's closest relationships on this show are with more dominant personalities. It would be interesting to know if that was always the case, is indicative of her best friendships away from the show, has become more prominent with age or even something that developed after her husbands death. 

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19 hours ago, robroy said:

FWIW- I wasn't claiming Enquirer & the lot are valid sources, I was noting that they use Carole's book as a source. And from there they add other crap since they have a seed to start upon.

Also- Old age Teddy was probably preferable Teddy since he had finally gotten his vices mostly under control. His son wrote an interesting book on addiction and mental health with a pretty heavy dose of family and self reflection. Or both Victoria Reggie and JFK Jr had definitive Captain Save-a-Ho tendencies. Which isn't too different from half the pairings we have seen on (and hidden from) this franchise. 

We definitely see that Carole's closest relationships on this show are with more dominant personalities. It would be interesting to know if that was always the case, is indicative of her best friendships away from the show, has become more prominent with age or even something that developed after her husbands death. 

Well, The Enquirer did spearhead the John Edwards/Rielle Hunter bombshells.

Per the question about photographs featuring Carole and Carolyn, I found exactly one set up. It's interesting how different Carole looked back then.

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31 minutes ago, lunastartron said:

Well, The Enquirer did spearhead the John Edwards/Rielle Hunter bombshells.

Which was notable enough to get the Pulitzer Prize Board to change their rules so that the Enquirer and their writers would be eligible for nomination.

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10 hours ago, lunastartron said:

Well, The Enquirer did spearhead the John Edwards/Rielle Hunter bombshells.

Per the question about photographs featuring Carole and Carolyn, I found exactly one set up. It's interesting how different Carole looked back then.

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Wow. She looks like she has aged roughly 20 years since then...

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7 hours ago, BBHN said:

Wow. She looks like she has aged roughly 20 years since then...

She's changed her style so much.  Note the ultra sensible loafer on Carole.  In her wedding pictures and during the time she was with Anthony, she very much looks like the Upper East Side waspy young woman that being a member of the Kennedy clan requires you to be.  (Allegedly, Darryl Hannah didn't last long with JFK because Jackie didn't approve of her bohemian look and her career choice.)  I prefer Carole's style now, save for the walking dresses, statement tees and high heeled sneakers while balancing on a bosu ball at the gym. 

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1 hour ago, ryebread said:

She's changed her style so much.  Note the ultra sensible loafer on Carole.  In her wedding pictures and during the time she was with Anthony, she very much looks like the Upper East Side waspy young woman that being a member of the Kennedy clan requires you to be.  (Allegedly, Darryl Hannah didn't last long with JFK because Jackie didn't approve of her bohemian look and her career choice.)  I prefer Carole's style now, save for the walking dresses, statement tees and high heeled sneakers while balancing on a bosu ball at the gym. 

I wonder if that picture was taken straight out of work. That would explain her conservative outfits.

I had to wear skirts and PANTYHOSE at that time period. Not my style at all.lol

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On June 3, 2017 at 10:08 AM, ryebread said:

She's changed her style so much.  Note the ultra sensible loafer on Carole.  In her wedding pictures and during the time she was with Anthony, she very much looks like the Upper East Side waspy young woman that being a member of the Kennedy clan requires you to be.  (Allegedly, Darryl Hannah didn't last long with JFK because Jackie didn't approve of her bohemian look and her career choice.)  I prefer Carole's style now, save for the walking dresses, statement tees and high heeled sneakers while balancing on a bosu ball at the gym. 

The aesthetic dichotomy reminds me of the dumpy "before" incarnations of the deranged roommates in various SWF knockoffs vs their hip sexiness once they've started to take over the heroines' lives. 

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Ever the hypocrite, Carole has once again posted topless pix of herself to promote tonight's episode. But just a few months ago she was being just awful about Melania posing nude and posting hastags Melania gets naked 4 $.  She is horrible and loathsome. I'm sure she'll defend what she does is art while what Melania does is porn. 

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10 hours ago, Ki-in said:

Ever the hypocrite, Carole has once again posted topless pix of herself to promote tonight's episode. But just a few months ago she was being just awful about Melania posing nude and posting hastags Melania gets naked 4 $.  She is horrible and loathsome. I'm sure she'll defend what she does is art while what Melania does is porn. 

Um, it was art.  You know, like art hanging in an art gallery.  

Not hypocritical at all. Maybe not very nice, but hardly hypocritical. I don't remember her ever saying she had an issue with folks getting naked. She was only suprised that the Evangelicals who were thanking the Lord that we now had a "classy" First Lady in the White House instead of Michelle Obama, who they referred to as an ape, thought that someone who took her clothes off for money was more classy than Michelle Obama, who had not taken her clothes off for money. They thought it a scandal when she wore clothes that showed her lovely arms. As someone who was raised in an Evengelical community - and ran for the hills as far away from it as I could get - I can say that I was equally surprised. But then again I really wasn't. 

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7 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Um, it was art.  You know, like art hanging in an art gallery.  

Not hypocritical at all. Maybe not very nice, but hardly hypocritical. I don't remember her ever saying she had an issue with folks getting naked. She was only suprised that the Evangelicals who were thanking the Lord that we now had a "classy" First Lady in the White House instead of Michelle Obama, who they referred to as an ape, thought that someone who took her clothes off for money was more classy than Michelle Obama, who had not taken her clothes off for money. They thought it a scandal when she wore clothes that showed her lovely arms. As someone who was raised in an Evengelical community - and ran for the hills as far away from it as I could get - I can say that I was equally surprised. But then again I really wasn't. 

It was Carole slathered naked in paint.

You know, like Farah Fawcett did for her Playboy video. And if the Melania photos had been taken by Steven Meisel and styled by Edward Enninful, they would be considered "artistic" to many by virtue of that pedigree. 

If one is disseminating the hashtag #MelaniaTakesHerClothesOff4$, one is not expressing surprise. One is trying to shame by suggesting that there is, in fact, something wrong with taking one's clothes off for money.

It makes no more sense to respond to criticism of Michelle Obama's bare arms with an attempt to disparage Melania by equating her to a sex worker than it would be to respond to racial attacks by making one's own racially charged dig. 

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7 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Um, it was art.  You know, like art hanging in an art gallery.  

Not hypocritical at all. Maybe not very nice, but hardly hypocritical. I don't remember her ever saying she had an issue with folks getting naked. She was only suprised that the Evangelicals who were thanking the Lord that we now had a "classy" First Lady in the White House instead of Michelle Obama, who they referred to as an ape, thought that someone who took her clothes off for money was more classy than Michelle Obama, who had not taken her clothes off for money. They thought it a scandal when she wore clothes that showed her lovely arms. As someone who was raised in an Evengelical community - and ran for the hills as far away from it as I could get - I can say that I was equally surprised. But then again I really wasn't. 

Exactly.

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I enjoy Carole for the most part but she is such a damned follower.

Melania is/was a model. Her job was to take off her clothes. I don't see what the big deal is.

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On 6/8/2017 at 3:29 AM, lunastartron said:

It was Carole slathered naked in paint.

You know, like Farah Fawcett did for her Playboy video. And if the Melania photos had been taken by Steven Meisel and styled by Edward Enninful, they would be considered "artistic" to many by virtue of that pedigree. 

If one is disseminating the hashtag #MelaniaTakesHerClothesOff4$, one is not expressing surprise. One is trying to shame by suggesting that there is, in fact, something wrong with taking one's clothes off for money.

It makes no more sense to respond to criticism of Michelle Obama's bare arms with an attempt to disparage Melania by equating her to a sex worker than it would be to respond to racial attacks by making one's own racially charged dig. 

The problem is that her target is wrong. There is nothing wrong with Melania being photographed naked. The problem is that if the people who were criticizing Michelle Obama would normally have a problem with a woman being photographed naked, but suddenly don't have shit to say about Melania, they are hypocrites. So the hash tag shouldn't be about Melania taking pictures for money, it should be about the hypocrisy of these evangelical critics.

And this why I wish that Carole would get a real project/job/whatever. She's surrounded herself with Sonja "Trump Advisor" Morgan (which just occurred to me that might be what the STAM monogram is), Ramona "coiner of hodgit" Singer, Bethenny "this conversation is boring me" Frankel, LuAnn "I'm in love" de Lesseps D'Agostino, and Adam "Vegan Sexy Salad" Kennworthy. She needs to challenge herself and I don't think she's getting the type of stimulation that she needs. How would she actually like to be spending her days if the flat tummy tea money disappeared?

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On 6/8/2017 at 4:29 AM, lunastartron said:

If one is disseminating the hashtag #MelaniaTakesHerClothesOff4$, one is not expressing surprise. One is trying to shame by suggesting that there is, in fact, something wrong with taking one's clothes off for money.

Yes.

1 hour ago, HunterHunted said:

The problem is that her target is wrong. There is nothing wrong with Melania being photographed naked. The problem is that if the people who were criticizing Michelle Obama would normally have a problem with a woman being photographed naked, but suddenly don't have shit to say about Melania, they are hypocrites. So the hash tag shouldn't be about Melania taking pictures for money, it should be about the hypocrisy of these evangelical critics.

And yes again! (This is one of those "You...AND you!  Are both right!" situations :)

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56 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

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Hah - look at Carole's please help me face

I love both of their faces. You can tell that Ramona is trying to comfort in her weirdo Ramona way that is profoundly uncomfortable and Carole is desperate for someone to rescue her. This might be my favorite Ramona season. She's being completely monstrous though her motivation is allegedly good. I would love to see more Ramona screen caps like her creepily apologizing to Bethenny.

Except for her dumb allegation that Tom is gay, I feel like LuAnn and Dorinda include Carole in the anti-Tom brigade just because of the company Carole keeps (Bethenny and Ramona). The only time Carole has said anything about Lu and Tom was when Lu's friend, Barbra K, decided to flap her lips to Carole. Even then, all Carole asked about was whether Lu felt pressured to get married. When Lu said "no," Carole dropped it.

I don't think Carole really gives two shits about Tom and LuAnn and certainly not the way that Ramona and Bethenny seem to care about it. Ramona is busy Sam Spade-ing her way through Tom's life trying to uncover all of Tom's peccadillos. And Bethenny has basically adopted the motto "If you don’t have anything nice to say (about Tom), come sit next to me." Sonja was still talking shit about them to the press, but Carole doesn't really care either way. I suspect it's easier to lump them all together than for Lu to do the actual work that she needs to do rebuild a friendship with Carole.

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32 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

I love both of their faces. You can tell that Ramona is trying to comfort in her weirdo Ramona way that is profoundly uncomfortable and Carole is desperate for someone to rescue her. This might be my favorite Ramona season. She's being completely monstrous though her motivation is allegedly good. I would love to see more Ramona screen caps like her creepily apologizing to Bethenny.

Except for her dumb allegation that Tom is gay, I feel like LuAnn and Dorinda include Carole in the anti-Tom brigade just because of the company Carole keeps (Bethenny and Ramona). The only time Carole has said anything about Lu and Tom was when Lu's friend, Barbra K, decided to flap her lips to Carole. Even then, all Carole asked about was whether Lu felt pressured to get married. When Lu said "no," Carole dropped it.

I don't think Carole really gives two shits about Tom and LuAnn and certainly not the way that Ramona and Bethenny seem to care about it. Ramona is busy Sam Spade-ing her way through Tom's life trying to uncover all of Tom's peccadillos. And Bethenny has basically adopted the motto "If you don’t have anything nice to say (about Tom), come sit next to me." Sonja was still talking shit about them to the press, but Carole doesn't really care either way. I suspect it's easier to lump them all together than for Lu to do the actual work that she needs to do rebuild a friendship with Carole.

Carole was pretty verbose in Florida about Luann needing to dump Tom and she doesn't seem to miss a chance to take a shot at Luann.  It has been that way since Day 1 with Carole towards Luann and will never change.  Carole does not respect Luann for the fact she wanted to get married.  Carole is comfortable in her relationship and can't see why anyone would want more.  She is respectful of others' marriages but will never cut Luann any slack. 

What I respect about Carole is she has been consistent in her dislike of Ramona.  She displayed it best when she dove out of the canoe when Ramona went nuts in the Berkshires. 

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Carole was pretty verbose in Florida about Luann needing to dump Tom and she doesn't seem to miss a chance to take a shot at Luann.  It has been that way since Day 1 with Carole towards Luann and will never change. 

Well, why wouldn't she be, who would tell someone to go ahead and marry their fiance when the fiance just got busted for kissing another woman...especially when Luann at the time was freaking out, collapsing on the floor, and just being generally distressed about having her fiance busted that way.

Also, Luann takes as many shots at Carole.

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Carole does not respect Luann for the fact she wanted to get married

Naah, it might just be that Carole didn't feel Luann should get married to that particular guy. But as Hunter said, Carole doesn't seem to really mind it as much as some of the other women do.

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What I respect about Carole is she has been consistent in her dislike of Ramona

Actually, Carole and Ramona started out well and had some nice genuine moments, even if their relationship has cooled.

 

Hell even this season they have their moments where they get along (election differences notwithstanding):

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Carole called Luann names and made all sorts of negative and consistent comments about Luann and Tom as a couple from beginning to end-including at their engagement party before she knew about The Regency situation.  After words she kept calling Luann names for not agreeing with her opinion about Tom.  Seems Luann has had a pretty big cross to bear over Carole not agreeing with Luann's opinion about Carole and Adam's relationship initially. Carole has never like Luann and was just a first class phony trying to hold on to her apple and get some filming time in when Bethenny had no use for her.  

Oh too bad, the one thing I respected Carole for was consistently having the good taste to dislike Ramona and now that has been shot to hell.  Phony bitch that Carole.

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Carole called Luann names and made all sorts of negative and consistent comments about Luann and Tom as a couple from beginning to end-including at their engagement party before she knew about The Regency situation.  After words she kept calling Luann names for not agreeing with her opinion about Tom.  Seems Luann has had a pretty big cross to bear over Carole not agreeing with Luann's opinion about Carole and Adam's relationship initially.

Seems a bit of an exaggeration there...ok, a lot of an exaggeration lol

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Carole has never like Luann and was just a first class phony trying to hold on to her apple and get some filming time in when Bethenny had no use for her.  

That doesn't even make sense, because during Carole's first two seasons Bethenny wasn't even on the show.

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Oh too bad, the one thing I respected Carole for was consistently having the good taste to dislike Ramona and now that has been shot to hell.  Phony bitch that Carole.

How does someone misinterpreting/forgetting/not understanding Carole and Ramona's relationship make Carole the phony bitch? She and Ramona were good friends at first. Their relationship seems to have a cooled a bit to where they aren't best friends, but can get along and still be cordial with one another (when the subject isn't politics). Again, not sure how that makes Carole a phony...

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On 6/3/2017 at 5:25 AM, BBHN said:

Wow. She looks like she has aged roughly 20 years since then...

Your read is immaculate.

On 6/3/2017 at 2:26 PM, LIMOM said:

I wonder if that picture was taken straight out of work. That would explain her conservative outfits.

I had to wear skirts and PANTYHOSE at that time period. Not my style at all.lol

Oooowwweeeeee! I hear about the days of wearing pantyhose to work, and I'm glad I was but wee preteen and teenage lass in the '90s. I'm sitting behind my desk now wearing a pencil skirt, open-toed high heeled sandals, and NO pantyhose. It's too hot for all of that!

On 6/8/2017 at 6:10 AM, LIMOM said:

I enjoy Carole for the most part but she is such a damned follower.

Melania is/was a model. Her job was to take off her clothes. I don't see what the big deal is.

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Noooo, Carole. NO! Say it ain't so. Please don't promote those flat tummy teas. My goodness. 

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On 6/18/2017 at 4:30 PM, HunterHunted said:

 in her weirdo Ramona way that is profoundly uncomfortable and Carole is desperate for someone to rescue her. 

Ramona looks like a serial killer moments from claiming her trophy.

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31 minutes ago, BBHN said:

I believe.

Entirely possible.  I never saw her actively promote it.  And for some reason, she doesn't strike me as a dainty necklace, sterling silver, Swarovski zirconia kinda gal.  But here's a picture of her wearing something similar, so perhaps.

I'll try to refrain from commenting about how gross it is to put pool water in your mouth. Just, no.  I hope this shot only took one take.

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