BBHN May 31, 2017 Share May 31, 2017 (edited) Quote There is no chance in hell that if she'd been the housekeeper instead of a millionaire guest with connections to help his career they'd be together. Which...could be said about all of the women on this show currently, in one way or another. Edited May 31, 2017 by BBHN 3 Link to comment
Atlanta May 31, 2017 Share May 31, 2017 Did she legit have an affair with Bergen or was he looking for 15 minutes? Link to comment
SCS May 31, 2017 Share May 31, 2017 6 hours ago, Atlanta said: I'd never heard of CBK cheating. What's the source on that? Did you try Google to answer your question? I, too, was curious so I Googled "Carolyn Bessette Kennedy cheating" and the first entry that popped was Vanity Fair: http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2003/08/john-f-kennedy-jr-carolyn-bessette-divorce-drugs-scandal It does not sound like a happy union. 4 Link to comment
teapot June 1, 2017 Share June 1, 2017 (edited) 17 hours ago, steelcitysister said: It does not sound like a happy union. oh wow, yeah, CBK sounds like she was a complete sweetheart....(sarcasm) Edited June 1, 2017 by teapot 4 Link to comment
Atlanta June 1, 2017 Share June 1, 2017 Yikes! I hadn't heard all of that. It makes me wonder what attracted John to her. 1 Link to comment
WireWrap June 1, 2017 Share June 1, 2017 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Atlanta said: Yikes! I hadn't heard all of that. It makes me wonder what attracted John to her. Because in many ways, she was just like his mother, JBKO, who he adored. Edited June 1, 2017 by WireWrap 2 Link to comment
lunastartron June 1, 2017 Share June 1, 2017 37 minutes ago, Atlanta said: Yikes! I hadn't heard all of that. It makes me wonder what attracted John to her. I mean, what abstractly would attract people to JFK Sr and/or Bill Clinton, just to cite examples of two unsavory personalities? Who on earth would marry Uncle Teddy in his dotage? Carolyn was beautiful as well as dazzlingly stylish IMO and by most accounts could be magnetically warm and charming. 3 Link to comment
biakbiak June 1, 2017 Share June 1, 2017 50 minutes ago, lunastartron said: Who on earth would marry Uncle Teddy in his dotage? He was 60 when he married Victoria, hardly his dotage. 5 Link to comment
robroy June 2, 2017 Share June 2, 2017 FWIW- I wasn't claiming Enquirer & the lot are valid sources, I was noting that they use Carole's book as a source. And from there they add other crap since they have a seed to start upon. Also- Old age Teddy was probably preferable Teddy since he had finally gotten his vices mostly under control. His son wrote an interesting book on addiction and mental health with a pretty heavy dose of family and self reflection. Or both Victoria Reggie and JFK Jr had definitive Captain Save-a-Ho tendencies. Which isn't too different from half the pairings we have seen on (and hidden from) this franchise. We definitely see that Carole's closest relationships on this show are with more dominant personalities. It would be interesting to know if that was always the case, is indicative of her best friendships away from the show, has become more prominent with age or even something that developed after her husbands death. 3 Link to comment
lunastartron June 2, 2017 Share June 2, 2017 19 hours ago, robroy said: FWIW- I wasn't claiming Enquirer & the lot are valid sources, I was noting that they use Carole's book as a source. And from there they add other crap since they have a seed to start upon. Also- Old age Teddy was probably preferable Teddy since he had finally gotten his vices mostly under control. His son wrote an interesting book on addiction and mental health with a pretty heavy dose of family and self reflection. Or both Victoria Reggie and JFK Jr had definitive Captain Save-a-Ho tendencies. Which isn't too different from half the pairings we have seen on (and hidden from) this franchise. We definitely see that Carole's closest relationships on this show are with more dominant personalities. It would be interesting to know if that was always the case, is indicative of her best friendships away from the show, has become more prominent with age or even something that developed after her husbands death. Well, The Enquirer did spearhead the John Edwards/Rielle Hunter bombshells. Per the question about photographs featuring Carole and Carolyn, I found exactly one set up. It's interesting how different Carole looked back then. 2 Link to comment
HunterHunted June 2, 2017 Share June 2, 2017 31 minutes ago, lunastartron said: Well, The Enquirer did spearhead the John Edwards/Rielle Hunter bombshells. Which was notable enough to get the Pulitzer Prize Board to change their rules so that the Enquirer and their writers would be eligible for nomination. 3 Link to comment
BBHN June 3, 2017 Share June 3, 2017 10 hours ago, lunastartron said: Well, The Enquirer did spearhead the John Edwards/Rielle Hunter bombshells. Per the question about photographs featuring Carole and Carolyn, I found exactly one set up. It's interesting how different Carole looked back then. Wow. She looks like she has aged roughly 20 years since then... 4 Link to comment
LIMOM June 3, 2017 Share June 3, 2017 3 hours ago, BBHN said: Wow. She looks like she has aged roughly 20 years since then... Well it was about 20 years ago.lol 4 Link to comment
ryebread June 3, 2017 Share June 3, 2017 7 hours ago, BBHN said: Wow. She looks like she has aged roughly 20 years since then... She's changed her style so much. Note the ultra sensible loafer on Carole. In her wedding pictures and during the time she was with Anthony, she very much looks like the Upper East Side waspy young woman that being a member of the Kennedy clan requires you to be. (Allegedly, Darryl Hannah didn't last long with JFK because Jackie didn't approve of her bohemian look and her career choice.) I prefer Carole's style now, save for the walking dresses, statement tees and high heeled sneakers while balancing on a bosu ball at the gym. 7 Link to comment
LIMOM June 3, 2017 Share June 3, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, ryebread said: She's changed her style so much. Note the ultra sensible loafer on Carole. In her wedding pictures and during the time she was with Anthony, she very much looks like the Upper East Side waspy young woman that being a member of the Kennedy clan requires you to be. (Allegedly, Darryl Hannah didn't last long with JFK because Jackie didn't approve of her bohemian look and her career choice.) I prefer Carole's style now, save for the walking dresses, statement tees and high heeled sneakers while balancing on a bosu ball at the gym. I wonder if that picture was taken straight out of work. That would explain her conservative outfits. I had to wear skirts and PANTYHOSE at that time period. Not my style at all.lol Edited June 3, 2017 by LIMOM 3 Link to comment
rhys June 4, 2017 Share June 4, 2017 I doubt the Kennedys preferred WASPs. No no no. 4 Link to comment
OnceSane June 4, 2017 Share June 4, 2017 Talk about the show, not the posters on the forum. Period. End of sentence. Stop. Talking. About. Each. Other. 2 Link to comment
lunastartron June 5, 2017 Share June 5, 2017 On June 3, 2017 at 10:08 AM, ryebread said: She's changed her style so much. Note the ultra sensible loafer on Carole. In her wedding pictures and during the time she was with Anthony, she very much looks like the Upper East Side waspy young woman that being a member of the Kennedy clan requires you to be. (Allegedly, Darryl Hannah didn't last long with JFK because Jackie didn't approve of her bohemian look and her career choice.) I prefer Carole's style now, save for the walking dresses, statement tees and high heeled sneakers while balancing on a bosu ball at the gym. The aesthetic dichotomy reminds me of the dumpy "before" incarnations of the deranged roommates in various SWF knockoffs vs their hip sexiness once they've started to take over the heroines' lives. 3 Link to comment
BBHN June 5, 2017 Share June 5, 2017 All it looks like is that Carole met them after coming straight from her job and didn't have time to go home and change. 2 Link to comment
Otherkate June 5, 2017 Share June 5, 2017 Looks like she was working at an office in NYC in the 90s to me. 3 Link to comment
Ki-in June 7, 2017 Share June 7, 2017 (edited) Ever the hypocrite, Carole has once again posted topless pix of herself to promote tonight's episode. But just a few months ago she was being just awful about Melania posing nude and posting hastags Melania gets naked 4 $. She is horrible and loathsome. I'm sure she'll defend what she does is art while what Melania does is porn. Edited June 7, 2017 by Ki-in 3 Link to comment
motorcitymom65 June 8, 2017 Share June 8, 2017 (edited) 10 hours ago, Ki-in said: Ever the hypocrite, Carole has once again posted topless pix of herself to promote tonight's episode. But just a few months ago she was being just awful about Melania posing nude and posting hastags Melania gets naked 4 $. She is horrible and loathsome. I'm sure she'll defend what she does is art while what Melania does is porn. Um, it was art. You know, like art hanging in an art gallery. Not hypocritical at all. Maybe not very nice, but hardly hypocritical. I don't remember her ever saying she had an issue with folks getting naked. She was only suprised that the Evangelicals who were thanking the Lord that we now had a "classy" First Lady in the White House instead of Michelle Obama, who they referred to as an ape, thought that someone who took her clothes off for money was more classy than Michelle Obama, who had not taken her clothes off for money. They thought it a scandal when she wore clothes that showed her lovely arms. As someone who was raised in an Evengelical community - and ran for the hills as far away from it as I could get - I can say that I was equally surprised. But then again I really wasn't. Edited June 8, 2017 by motorcitymom65 17 Link to comment
lunastartron June 8, 2017 Share June 8, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said: Um, it was art. You know, like art hanging in an art gallery. Not hypocritical at all. Maybe not very nice, but hardly hypocritical. I don't remember her ever saying she had an issue with folks getting naked. She was only suprised that the Evangelicals who were thanking the Lord that we now had a "classy" First Lady in the White House instead of Michelle Obama, who they referred to as an ape, thought that someone who took her clothes off for money was more classy than Michelle Obama, who had not taken her clothes off for money. They thought it a scandal when she wore clothes that showed her lovely arms. As someone who was raised in an Evengelical community - and ran for the hills as far away from it as I could get - I can say that I was equally surprised. But then again I really wasn't. It was Carole slathered naked in paint. You know, like Farah Fawcett did for her Playboy video. And if the Melania photos had been taken by Steven Meisel and styled by Edward Enninful, they would be considered "artistic" to many by virtue of that pedigree. If one is disseminating the hashtag #MelaniaTakesHerClothesOff4$, one is not expressing surprise. One is trying to shame by suggesting that there is, in fact, something wrong with taking one's clothes off for money. It makes no more sense to respond to criticism of Michelle Obama's bare arms with an attempt to disparage Melania by equating her to a sex worker than it would be to respond to racial attacks by making one's own racially charged dig. Edited June 8, 2017 by lunastartron 7 Link to comment
BBHN June 8, 2017 Share June 8, 2017 7 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said: Um, it was art. You know, like art hanging in an art gallery. Not hypocritical at all. Maybe not very nice, but hardly hypocritical. I don't remember her ever saying she had an issue with folks getting naked. She was only suprised that the Evangelicals who were thanking the Lord that we now had a "classy" First Lady in the White House instead of Michelle Obama, who they referred to as an ape, thought that someone who took her clothes off for money was more classy than Michelle Obama, who had not taken her clothes off for money. They thought it a scandal when she wore clothes that showed her lovely arms. As someone who was raised in an Evengelical community - and ran for the hills as far away from it as I could get - I can say that I was equally surprised. But then again I really wasn't. Exactly. 3 Link to comment
LIMOM June 8, 2017 Share June 8, 2017 (edited) I enjoy Carole for the most part but she is such a damned follower. Melania is/was a model. Her job was to take off her clothes. I don't see what the big deal is. shilling crap: Edited June 8, 2017 by LIMOM 4 Link to comment
LilaFowler June 9, 2017 Share June 9, 2017 I can't believe that she's shilling that tummy tea online. 1 Link to comment
HunterHunted June 9, 2017 Share June 9, 2017 (edited) On 6/8/2017 at 3:29 AM, lunastartron said: It was Carole slathered naked in paint. You know, like Farah Fawcett did for her Playboy video. And if the Melania photos had been taken by Steven Meisel and styled by Edward Enninful, they would be considered "artistic" to many by virtue of that pedigree. If one is disseminating the hashtag #MelaniaTakesHerClothesOff4$, one is not expressing surprise. One is trying to shame by suggesting that there is, in fact, something wrong with taking one's clothes off for money. It makes no more sense to respond to criticism of Michelle Obama's bare arms with an attempt to disparage Melania by equating her to a sex worker than it would be to respond to racial attacks by making one's own racially charged dig. The problem is that her target is wrong. There is nothing wrong with Melania being photographed naked. The problem is that if the people who were criticizing Michelle Obama would normally have a problem with a woman being photographed naked, but suddenly don't have shit to say about Melania, they are hypocrites. So the hash tag shouldn't be about Melania taking pictures for money, it should be about the hypocrisy of these evangelical critics. And this why I wish that Carole would get a real project/job/whatever. She's surrounded herself with Sonja "Trump Advisor" Morgan (which just occurred to me that might be what the STAM monogram is), Ramona "coiner of hodgit" Singer, Bethenny "this conversation is boring me" Frankel, LuAnn "I'm in love" de Lesseps D'Agostino, and Adam "Vegan Sexy Salad" Kennworthy. She needs to challenge herself and I don't think she's getting the type of stimulation that she needs. How would she actually like to be spending her days if the flat tummy tea money disappeared? Edited June 9, 2017 by HunterHunted 9 Link to comment
film noire June 9, 2017 Share June 9, 2017 (edited) On 6/8/2017 at 4:29 AM, lunastartron said: If one is disseminating the hashtag #MelaniaTakesHerClothesOff4$, one is not expressing surprise. One is trying to shame by suggesting that there is, in fact, something wrong with taking one's clothes off for money. Yes. 1 hour ago, HunterHunted said: The problem is that her target is wrong. There is nothing wrong with Melania being photographed naked. The problem is that if the people who were criticizing Michelle Obama would normally have a problem with a woman being photographed naked, but suddenly don't have shit to say about Melania, they are hypocrites. So the hash tag shouldn't be about Melania taking pictures for money, it should be about the hypocrisy of these evangelical critics. And yes again! (This is one of those "You...AND you! Are both right!" situations :) Edited June 9, 2017 by film noire 4 Link to comment
KungFuBunny June 18, 2017 Share June 18, 2017 Hah - look at Carole's please help me face 11 Link to comment
HunterHunted June 18, 2017 Share June 18, 2017 56 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said: Hah - look at Carole's please help me face I love both of their faces. You can tell that Ramona is trying to comfort in her weirdo Ramona way that is profoundly uncomfortable and Carole is desperate for someone to rescue her. This might be my favorite Ramona season. She's being completely monstrous though her motivation is allegedly good. I would love to see more Ramona screen caps like her creepily apologizing to Bethenny. Except for her dumb allegation that Tom is gay, I feel like LuAnn and Dorinda include Carole in the anti-Tom brigade just because of the company Carole keeps (Bethenny and Ramona). The only time Carole has said anything about Lu and Tom was when Lu's friend, Barbra K, decided to flap her lips to Carole. Even then, all Carole asked about was whether Lu felt pressured to get married. When Lu said "no," Carole dropped it. I don't think Carole really gives two shits about Tom and LuAnn and certainly not the way that Ramona and Bethenny seem to care about it. Ramona is busy Sam Spade-ing her way through Tom's life trying to uncover all of Tom's peccadillos. And Bethenny has basically adopted the motto "If you don’t have anything nice to say (about Tom), come sit next to me." Sonja was still talking shit about them to the press, but Carole doesn't really care either way. I suspect it's easier to lump them all together than for Lu to do the actual work that she needs to do rebuild a friendship with Carole. 5 Link to comment
zoeysmom June 18, 2017 Share June 18, 2017 32 minutes ago, HunterHunted said: I love both of their faces. You can tell that Ramona is trying to comfort in her weirdo Ramona way that is profoundly uncomfortable and Carole is desperate for someone to rescue her. This might be my favorite Ramona season. She's being completely monstrous though her motivation is allegedly good. I would love to see more Ramona screen caps like her creepily apologizing to Bethenny. Except for her dumb allegation that Tom is gay, I feel like LuAnn and Dorinda include Carole in the anti-Tom brigade just because of the company Carole keeps (Bethenny and Ramona). The only time Carole has said anything about Lu and Tom was when Lu's friend, Barbra K, decided to flap her lips to Carole. Even then, all Carole asked about was whether Lu felt pressured to get married. When Lu said "no," Carole dropped it. I don't think Carole really gives two shits about Tom and LuAnn and certainly not the way that Ramona and Bethenny seem to care about it. Ramona is busy Sam Spade-ing her way through Tom's life trying to uncover all of Tom's peccadillos. And Bethenny has basically adopted the motto "If you don’t have anything nice to say (about Tom), come sit next to me." Sonja was still talking shit about them to the press, but Carole doesn't really care either way. I suspect it's easier to lump them all together than for Lu to do the actual work that she needs to do rebuild a friendship with Carole. Carole was pretty verbose in Florida about Luann needing to dump Tom and she doesn't seem to miss a chance to take a shot at Luann. It has been that way since Day 1 with Carole towards Luann and will never change. Carole does not respect Luann for the fact she wanted to get married. Carole is comfortable in her relationship and can't see why anyone would want more. She is respectful of others' marriages but will never cut Luann any slack. What I respect about Carole is she has been consistent in her dislike of Ramona. She displayed it best when she dove out of the canoe when Ramona went nuts in the Berkshires. 2 Link to comment
BBHN June 18, 2017 Share June 18, 2017 (edited) Quote Carole was pretty verbose in Florida about Luann needing to dump Tom and she doesn't seem to miss a chance to take a shot at Luann. It has been that way since Day 1 with Carole towards Luann and will never change. Well, why wouldn't she be, who would tell someone to go ahead and marry their fiance when the fiance just got busted for kissing another woman...especially when Luann at the time was freaking out, collapsing on the floor, and just being generally distressed about having her fiance busted that way. Also, Luann takes as many shots at Carole. Quote Carole does not respect Luann for the fact she wanted to get married Naah, it might just be that Carole didn't feel Luann should get married to that particular guy. But as Hunter said, Carole doesn't seem to really mind it as much as some of the other women do. Quote What I respect about Carole is she has been consistent in her dislike of Ramona Actually, Carole and Ramona started out well and had some nice genuine moments, even if their relationship has cooled. Hell even this season they have their moments where they get along (election differences notwithstanding): Edited June 18, 2017 by BBHN 5 Link to comment
zoeysmom June 18, 2017 Share June 18, 2017 Carole called Luann names and made all sorts of negative and consistent comments about Luann and Tom as a couple from beginning to end-including at their engagement party before she knew about The Regency situation. After words she kept calling Luann names for not agreeing with her opinion about Tom. Seems Luann has had a pretty big cross to bear over Carole not agreeing with Luann's opinion about Carole and Adam's relationship initially. Carole has never like Luann and was just a first class phony trying to hold on to her apple and get some filming time in when Bethenny had no use for her. Oh too bad, the one thing I respected Carole for was consistently having the good taste to dislike Ramona and now that has been shot to hell. Phony bitch that Carole. 6 Link to comment
BBHN June 19, 2017 Share June 19, 2017 Quote Carole called Luann names and made all sorts of negative and consistent comments about Luann and Tom as a couple from beginning to end-including at their engagement party before she knew about The Regency situation. After words she kept calling Luann names for not agreeing with her opinion about Tom. Seems Luann has had a pretty big cross to bear over Carole not agreeing with Luann's opinion about Carole and Adam's relationship initially. Seems a bit of an exaggeration there...ok, a lot of an exaggeration lol Quote Carole has never like Luann and was just a first class phony trying to hold on to her apple and get some filming time in when Bethenny had no use for her. That doesn't even make sense, because during Carole's first two seasons Bethenny wasn't even on the show. Quote Oh too bad, the one thing I respected Carole for was consistently having the good taste to dislike Ramona and now that has been shot to hell. Phony bitch that Carole. How does someone misinterpreting/forgetting/not understanding Carole and Ramona's relationship make Carole the phony bitch? She and Ramona were good friends at first. Their relationship seems to have a cooled a bit to where they aren't best friends, but can get along and still be cordial with one another (when the subject isn't politics). Again, not sure how that makes Carole a phony... 4 Link to comment
Mozelle June 21, 2017 Share June 21, 2017 (edited) On 6/3/2017 at 5:25 AM, BBHN said: Wow. She looks like she has aged roughly 20 years since then... Your read is immaculate. On 6/3/2017 at 2:26 PM, LIMOM said: I wonder if that picture was taken straight out of work. That would explain her conservative outfits. I had to wear skirts and PANTYHOSE at that time period. Not my style at all.lol Oooowwweeeeee! I hear about the days of wearing pantyhose to work, and I'm glad I was but wee preteen and teenage lass in the '90s. I'm sitting behind my desk now wearing a pencil skirt, open-toed high heeled sandals, and NO pantyhose. It's too hot for all of that! On 6/8/2017 at 6:10 AM, LIMOM said: I enjoy Carole for the most part but she is such a damned follower. Melania is/was a model. Her job was to take off her clothes. I don't see what the big deal is. shilling crap: Noooo, Carole. NO! Say it ain't so. Please don't promote those flat tummy teas. My goodness. Edited June 21, 2017 by Mozelle 2 Link to comment
film noire June 21, 2017 Share June 21, 2017 On 6/18/2017 at 4:30 PM, HunterHunted said: in her weirdo Ramona way that is profoundly uncomfortable and Carole is desperate for someone to rescue her. Ramona looks like a serial killer moments from claiming her trophy. 1 Link to comment
ryebread June 21, 2017 Share June 21, 2017 Now she's a posing poseur. Just kidding. She looks great, although slightly uncomfortable. 3 Link to comment
Ki-in June 21, 2017 Share June 21, 2017 She is straining and stretching her neck to smooth it out. It's kind of wrinkly in real life. Link to comment
BBHN June 21, 2017 Share June 21, 2017 Relax, she doesn't start munching on the crackers until after she gets out of the pool... 3 Link to comment
Ki-in June 21, 2017 Share June 21, 2017 Only if the crackers are vegan, locally sourced, gluten free and lavender flavored. 4 Link to comment
ryebread June 21, 2017 Share June 21, 2017 On 6/8/2017 at 6:10 AM, LIMOM said: shilling crap: https://mlgjewelry.com/collections/carole-radziwill-jewelry Raise your hamsa if you believe Carole would ever actually wear any of these?? 1 Link to comment
Ki-in June 21, 2017 Share June 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, ryebread said: https://mlgjewelry.com/collections/carole-radziwill-jewelry Raise your hamsa if you believe Carole would ever actually wear any of these?? If her current boy friend or current best friend was wearing one then yes, she would be wearing one 3 Link to comment
BBHN June 21, 2017 Share June 21, 2017 Quote Raise your hamsa if you believe Carole would ever actually wear any of these?? I believe. 1 Link to comment
ryebread June 21, 2017 Share June 21, 2017 Wonder how many swimsuit changes she had? Who is photographing Adam photographing Carole and then selling them? Does Carole get a cut? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4553326/Carole-Radziwill-flaunts-bikini-body-Adam-Kenworthy.html 3 Link to comment
jaync June 21, 2017 Share June 21, 2017 Quote She looks great, although slightly uncomfortable. Maybe someone swam by wearing a lavender colored bathing suit. 5 Link to comment
ryebread June 21, 2017 Share June 21, 2017 I 31 minutes ago, BBHN said: I believe. Entirely possible. I never saw her actively promote it. And for some reason, she doesn't strike me as a dainty necklace, sterling silver, Swarovski zirconia kinda gal. But here's a picture of her wearing something similar, so perhaps. I'll try to refrain from commenting about how gross it is to put pool water in your mouth. Just, no. I hope this shot only took one take. 4 Link to comment
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