Catelynn (and Tyler)

[toodywoody]

19 hours ago, TaxNerd said:

Ok, I admit I never got the comments of how Cate looks like April before.  Not sure if this is a recent pic, but I see the resemblence now!

FWIW, she looks happy and healthy here.  Anyone know if this is recent or an older season?  I don't remember her having hair this long.

Edit: 2012 :(

This picture makes me sad. I know we all change as we get older, some gain weight, some get better looking, but I'm not talking about any of that. In this picture I see a pretty young lady that fixed her hair and makeup being cute for the camera. She looks great in this picture and compared to what we've been seeing it is almost like Leah when she was on drugs. With not fixing the hair or makeup and just looking in bad health. Cate looked great when she left rehab and I know she will have to take it day by day to get herself better. But I also see Tyler with dark circles under his eyes and not looking healthy either. I just wish they would both stop whatever it is that they are doing and get healthy for their daughter. 

It just makes me wonder what else they are doing besides pot. I know a lot of pot smokers who are young and most dabble in other drugs and bars, x, and molly and cocaine and other prescription drugs. When they do these things they are often up for a day or more. It just makes me wonder why two people who don't have jobs look like they haven't slept in days but MTV is constantly showing Cate asleep like they did with Leah. 

Edited October 15, 2016 by toodywoody

[GreatKazu]

52 minutes ago, starfire said:

Cate also smokes a lot of pot, which can often cause people to get the munchies and overeat regardless if they are addicted to food.

And when you have the munchies, you don't usually crave healthy food, you crave stuff like ice cream, cookies, pizza, chips, fast food, etc. (I read that somewhere hehe)

You are so right. How could I forget the munchies? Amber mentioned being addicted to food, too. No darling. If you are addicted to food, why then are you getting plastic surgery? As Mama Dawn would say, "That don't make no sense." If one has an addiction, you have to deal with the root of the problems that caused you to fall into addiction in the first place. Amber is not addicted to food. She is addicted to Matt. At least Cate hasn't mentioned any kind of gastric bypass or plastic surgery. I will give her that! Although, I could see Tyler saying it to her.

[heatherchandler]

On 10/14/2016 at 4:17 AM, starfire said:

I think that much of Cate's problem stems from her environment and the people she surrounds herself with. She is surrounded by people like Tyler, April, Butch, etc., who have their own issues and have been the 

I see Cate as someone who could be influenced in a positive way by having different people in her life. 

I agree, she has no positive role models.  I think it should not be discounted how important and vital that is.  

I also have to remember that it is really hard to change.  I'm sure there are people here and everywhere who have done it, and that's great because most people really cannot.  It is not a moral failing to not be able to change your thinking and behavior.  It's extremely difficult, if not sometimes impossible.

[SPLAIN]

Tyler had the same adults in his life that Catelynn had growing up. He was there with Catelynn dealing with the same abuse and environment.

[evilmindatwork]

I agree @SPLAIN but I think the narrative for Tyler after 16&P and during Teen Mom has been more heroic than Cate's. Tyler's story is the one of the heroic guy who stood by his woman during a pregnancy, an adoption, and HE'S JUST SO HOT AND SO AMAZING.  Cate is just the girl who gave up her baby and should thank her lucky stars that a sensitive hot dude like Tyler stood by her. That also seems to be the story that their families and their community push on them. 

That's not the narrative WE, on the boards, see, but I don't think they read the boards. They read the mtv comments, their instagram, their twitter feeds-- the teenagers who reach out to them see their story a lot differently than we do. 

[radishcake]

I'm going to ask that the infighting about Cate's depression please stop. It has gotten rancorous and it adds nothing that we don't already know to the conversation.

[SPLAIN]

11 hours ago, evilmindatwork said:

I agree @SPLAIN but I think the narrative for Tyler after 16&P and during Teen Mom has been more heroic than Cate's. Tyler's story is the one of the heroic guy who stood by his woman during a pregnancy, an adoption, and HE'S JUST SO HOT AND SO AMAZING.  Cate is just the girl who gave up her baby and should thank her lucky stars that a sensitive hot dude like Tyler stood by her. That also seems to be the story that their families and their community push on them. 

That's not the narrative WE, on the boards, see, but I don't think they read the boards. They read the mtv comments, their instagram, their twitter feeds-- the teenagers who reach out to them see their story a lot differently than we do. 

Oh most definitely agree. I get it. My comment was in response to Catelynn not having any positive role models in her life and how it affected her overall being and how that plays a major part in her overall behavior. Tyler's upbringing cannot be discounted. It may give credence to why he is the jack ass that he is. He had Butch as his male role model. The guy who was a hard-core addict.

[teapot]

Nooooo!!

 

http://www.theashleysrealityroundup.com/2016/10/17/teen-mom-og-star-butch-baltierra-is-back-behind-bars-get-details/

[GreatKazu]

9 minutes ago, teapot said:

Nooooo!!

 

http://www.theashleysrealityroundup.com/2016/10/17/teen-mom-og-star-butch-baltierra-is-back-behind-bars-get-details/

We need a "dislike" button around here.

C'mon now Butch. Damn you.

[ghoulina]

Channeling my best Tyra Banks - "I was rooting for you, we were all rooting for you!!!"

 

That sucks if it's over his license. Did he have it reinstated when he got out? Not to make excuses, but I do think the justice system sometimes makes it ridiculously hard for people to get back on their feet. 

[evilmindatwork]

6 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

Channeling my best Tyra Banks - "I was rooting for you, we were all rooting for you!!!"

 

That sucks if it's over his license. Did he have it reinstated when he got out? Not to make excuses, but I do think the justice system sometimes makes it ridiculously hard for people to get back on their feet. 

Yeah, if it's only over the license that's ridiculously harsh. 

[GreatKazu]

Going by the article, it was the second time he was caught without a license. Now, I feel for people who are trying to get a fresh start on a new life after dealing with prison, addiction, and all that, but after he was caught the first time, why do it again? Parole and probation are strict. Any violation of the law, is a violation. The same happened to Adumb.

I feel for the guy. Unlike Adumb, he is trying to get his life in order. Again, damn it!

[CofCinci]

1 hour ago, ghoulina said:

Channeling my best Tyra Banks - "I was rooting for you, we were all rooting for you!!!"

 

That sucks if it's over his license. Did he have it reinstated when he got out? Not to make excuses, but I do think the justice system sometimes makes it ridiculously hard for people to get back on their feet. 

The most common reason for license suspension in my state is for failure to pay child support.  Does he owe for back support? If that's the case for Butch, he has the means to pay for it. Perhaps pay the debt for the children you failed to support before buying classic cars?

[ghoulina]

49 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

Going by the article, it was the second time he was caught without a license. Now, I feel for people who are trying to get a fresh start on a new life after dealing with prison, addiction, and all that, but after he was caught the first time, why do it again? Parole and probation are strict. Any violation of the law, is a violation. The same happened to Adumb.

I feel for the guy. Unlike Adumb, he is trying to get his life in order. Again, damn it

Probably because he was trying to get to work. I don't know what public transportation is like where they live, but cutting off someone's ability to drive  can really cause a lot of issues. It's almost like you're setting them up to fail. Now, Adumb has a myriad of traffic offenses (accidents and driving while impaired), so I have zero issues with him losing his license. And it's not like he was trying to get work anyway. He probably got busted going out for chicken wings. I don't know the whole story for Butch. And, again, I don't want to sound like I'm making excuses, but when prisoners get out, a lot of them DO want to make a better life. It's kind of hard to do when they can drive, can work, etc. 

[GreatKazu]

6 minutes ago, CofCinci said:

The most common reason for license suspension in my state is for failure to pay child support.  Does he owe for back support? If that's the case for Butch, he has the means to pay for it. Perhaps pay the debt for the children you failed to support before buying classic cars?

I was thinking that may be the reason. He does get MTV money. Not six figures, but he does get paid and yes, it would have been better to pay up his debts before buying material things like cars.

 

4 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

Probably because he was trying to get to work. I don't know what public transportation is like where they live, but cutting off someone's ability to drive  can really cause a lot of issues. It's almost like you're setting them up to fail. Now, Adumb has a myriad of traffic offenses (accidents and driving while impaired), so I have zero issues with him losing his license. And it's not like he was trying to get work anyway. He probably got busted going out for chicken wings. I don't know the whole story for Butch. And, again, I don't want to sound like I'm making excuses, but when prisoners get out, a lot of them DO want to make a better life. It's kind of hard to do when they can drive, can work, etc. 

I would guess transportation in their area is like in a lot of places. It isn't as if they live in the Appalachians. Without any info, it is just speculation at this point.

My only question is, after getting caught the first time, why do it again? These offenses add up. Now, he has two violations, not one. Each violation of probation or parole, is another check mark. That was my point about comparing him to Adumb.  I give zero fucks about Adumb, but Butch, is a different story. He cannot afford to be acquiring these violations if he is trying to stay on the straight and narrow. Butch's boss seemed to be a good guy, like he was someone he knew very well. I think if Butch talked to him and let him know he can't get to his job, his boss would try to figure out a plan. Butch could have asked the court to allow him to drive to and from work. Plenty of people on probation and parole do just that. Still, if it had to do with child support, then Butch is fucked. He should pay his obligations.  If Butch was driving around town on his own personal time, I just can't.

[Katt]

I've known for a while now about Tyler's alleged sexual assault at the hands of an older girl. I bet he boasted about it before he realised he could get more attention -and sympathy- by being a victim. NO, I am NOT saying it's okay in the first place but Tyler is a lying, manipulative POS I give no fucks for. And if he says one more time he had no one to show him how to be a good father, I'll kick my fucking TV in. I had no mother raising me but I don't ignore my kids and pass them off to other people and sit about whining about how my mother was absent -while not being in my own kids' lives- and when I DID see her, she was less than nice to me. Plus, the parent I did live with was no Kim;  making excuses for me and acting like I was the golden child. He thought of me as a burden, and told me so. I KNOW I'm not the best parent I could be but I bet that wanker thinks he's father of the year. Tyler's repeating this cycle of bad parenting by not even TRYING and in a few years, Nova will be calling him out as a crappy father but it's going to be someone else's fault, right? Maybe Nova will get the blame. It's time he nipped this woe-is-me attitude in the bud. Plenty of people were raised in a one parent family and they don't use that as an excuse to be a lazy fucker. There's a certain POTUS who was born to a teenaged mother and she was also a single parent for several years. STFU. Tyler! 

[GreatKazu]

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I bet he boasted about it

I bet he did. How was he to know that older girl violated him? Perhaps she too had been violated at one time. She likely told him it was okay and it was normal. No one likely told Tyler to be careful of any person who may try to violate him. They were all addicts. They were too busy being fuck-ups.

Society frowns upon girls being objectified and sexually assaulted, but when it comes to boys, there is a different attitude. When a male teacher has sex with a minor girl, people demand that his balls be cut off and that he go to prison. When it is a female teacher having sex with a boy, people laugh it off and then ask why they didn't have a hot-looking teacher when they were growing up, or some nonsense like that.  I am sure Tyler didn't get the sense at that time that what happened to him was wrong in so many ways. Society in general still makes it harder for males to come out and say they have been violated. It doesn't mean Tyler is not a liar and an asshole. It doesn't mean he is still a shitty person to Cate. He is not immune from being called out for that just because he had been violated.

Edited October 17, 2016 by GreatKazu

[poopchute]

 

 

as usual, Cateyn looks 47 years old and Tyler looks 17.  They look like mother and son.

[monicageller]

2 minutes ago, poopchute said:

as usual, Cateyn looks 47 years old and Tyler looks 17.  They look like mother and son.

Agreed, and I still can't get over Catelynn's hat on the book cover. It makes her look even older (plus the hat is just ugly af).

[ginger90]

The photo on the right is from last year. It was an MTV awards show or something like that.

[monicageller]

Good point @ginger90, Tyler doesn't look as puffy in that picture as he does now, and his hair doesn't look quite as ridiculous.

[druzy]

Are they authors of a book entitled Conquering Chaos or are they appearing on a show regarding the topic?   

I just read the caption. Apparently they are the authors of Conquering Chaos. WOW!

Edited October 18, 2016 by druzy

[CofCinci]

1 minute ago, druzy said:

Are they authors of a book entitled Conquering Chaos or are they appearing on a show regarding the topic?   

The book was published over 1.5 years ago. Wonder why they're trying to promote it now?  Trips to Boogietown depleted Tyler's pomidor creme budget and now they need to make some cash -- or this "Dr." is the "Dr." for their finding estranged family member series and they're doing some early cross promotion? or he hasn't been hired yet and they're doing a chemistry study. 

[GreatKazu]

That doctor is from the Couples Therapy show.

[ClassyCourtHeels]

2 hours ago, ghoulina said:

Probably because he was trying to get to work. I don't know what public transportation is like where they live, but cutting off someone's ability to drive  can really cause a lot of issues. It's almost like you're setting them up to fail. Now, Adumb has a myriad of traffic offenses (accidents and driving while impaired), so I have zero issues with him losing his license. And it's not like he was trying to get work anyway. He probably got busted going out for chicken wings. I don't know the whole story for Butch. And, again, I don't want to sound like I'm making excuses, but when prisoners get out, a lot of them DO want to make a better life. It's kind of hard to do when they can drive, can work, etc. 

My thoughts as well. When I saw the headline I was upset, but this isn't exactly a big issue in his case

 

Although he could use Tyler to drive him places. Not like he's busy with a job or anything.

Edited October 18, 2016 by ClassyCourtHeels

[GreatKazu]

19 minutes ago, ClassyCourtHeels said:

 

Although he could use Tyler to drive him places. Not like he's busy with a job or anything.

Tyler is too busy. He has to control Cate and watch what she eats and how long she naps.

The first time Butch was pulled over was due to him speeding. Now, if you don't want to be pulled over how about driving the speed limit, Butch.

In this article, it mentions some chick who took a photo of Butch's truck and tweeted asking him if it was indeed his truck. He responded back to her. He was apparently working at the time she took the photo. The article also mentions the possibility Butch is using his own vehicle for work. Now, it would be a shame if his employer didn't bother to check to see if Butch is allowed to drive, not just take his word for it. I had a job where I used my own car. My employer made sure I was licensed to drive:

http://starcasm.net/archives/359398

Edited October 18, 2016 by GreatKazu
forgot one word

[mamadrama]

On 10/17/2016 at 8:52 PM, monicageller said:

Agreed, and I still can't get over Catelynn's hat on the book cover. It makes her look even older (plus the hat is just ugly af).

I actually love the hat and have one similar, but it is the way she wears it that is not doing her any favors; I look like a quirky flapper elf and she looks like my great aunt Bertha.

Edited October 19, 2016 by mamadrama
I love her HAT, not her ham

[ghoulina]

Regarding Tyler's sexual assault - even if he boasted about it, that doesn't make it okay. A nine-year-old boy should NOT be having sex. Ever. My oldest is 8.5, and he doesn't even know what sex is yet! Older teachers have sex with teenage students and sometimes the students end up bragging about it because they feel special, and it sounds cool to their peers - but it is still ABSOLUTELY sexual assault and not okay. 

But, the things that sound off about his story is that he seems to be bragging about it NOW. As an adult, he should recognize what happened was wrong. But with him writing, "sex act after sex act, all day long" - it's almost like he's attempting to make himself sound like a stud, totally desirable. He was NINE. It just sounds weird. 

Also, it sounds like he's using it as an excuse for why he and Cate became so sexually active. Now, kids who are molested and abused often DO become "promiscuous", but again - his tone is off here. He's like, "Any girl who wouldn't put out, I dumped. When Cate finally gave it up, we did it all the time". 

I am like to think that there was no older friend, or if there was, he was a bit older and she wasn't that much older. I don't know. I tend to think he concocted this story to have a reason for why he got his girlfriend pregnant at such a young age. 

And I say this as someone who was molested for years as a child. I hate to doubt other people's stories, but it just doesn't have a ring of truth to it. It just sounds like some salacious crap to sell a book. 

I actually lean more towards believing the suicide tale, though. 

[ginger90]

Interesting description,

https://m.facebook.com/hayhouse/photos/a.183570663258.124675.123895198258/10154661597033259/?type=3&source=48&__tn__=E

[GreatKazu]

3 hours ago, ghoulina said:

Regarding Tyler's sexual assault - even if he boasted about it, that doesn't make it okay. A nine-year-old boy should NOT be having sex. Ever. My oldest is 8.5, and he doesn't even know what sex is yet! Older teachers have sex with teenage students and sometimes the students end up bragging about it because they feel special, and it sounds cool to their peers - but it is still ABSOLUTELY sexual assault and not okay. 

But, the things that sound off about his story is that he seems to be bragging about it NOW. As an adult, he should recognize what happened was wrong. But with him writing, "sex act after sex act, all day long" - it's almost like he's attempting to make himself sound like a stud, totally desirable. He was NINE. It just sounds weird. 

Also, it sounds like he's using it as an excuse for why he and Cate became so sexually active. Now, kids who are molested and abused often DO become "promiscuous", but again - his tone is off here. He's like, "Any girl who wouldn't put out, I dumped. When Cate finally gave it up, we did it all the time". 

I am like to think that there was no older friend, or if there was, he was a bit older and she wasn't that much older. I don't know. I tend to think he concocted this story to have a reason for why he got his girlfriend pregnant at such a young age. 

And I say this as someone who was molested for years as a child. I hate to doubt other people's stories, but it just doesn't have a ring of truth to it. It just sounds like some salacious crap to sell a book. 

I actually lean more towards believing the suicide tale, though. 

Tyler is not one who communicates very well. He has no filter. He has shown how awful he is when it comes to talking to his wife. Heifer, anyone?  The guy is mentally stunted. He seems to describe things the way he views it without really thinking about what it is all about.  As a victim myself, I am leaning towards believing Tyler. Not every victim tends to describe what happened to them in the same manner or using the correct verbiage. Males tend to describe abuse differently.  Even law enforcement and attorneys use the words "sex act" when describing sex crimes.

I just did some Googling and found more information. Tyler mentions the girl herself was also a victim of abuse, something I mentioned in my previous post:

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2015/03/tyler-baltierra-sex-abuse-hesitant-reveal-secret-new-tell-all/

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“I feel like it’s going to educate people about things that can happen to boys,” the 23-year-old mom of Novalee, 2 months, tells Radar. (The couple famously placed their 5-year-old daughter Carly in an adoptive family after her birth.)

“We hear a lot about sexual abuse happening to girls, but it’s not spoken about with boys being victims,” Baltierra points out. “The bottom line is, it happens. For any other guy who went through it, you’re not alone.”

As Radar exclusively reported earlier this week, the 23-year-old claims he was molested by his older sister’s friend as a young boy.

After hanging out with a group in the friend’s home, “for some reason or another, everyone else left but this older girl and me,” he writes in the book, now available online and in bookstores. “For the next several hours, it was sex act after sex act after sex act. It went on all day. She had us doing everything she could think of, one thing after another.”

Despite feeling scared and confused after the incident, Baltierra didn’t confide in his parents.

“The earlier you do a sexual act when you’re a boy, it’s cool. I didn’t know how wrong it really was,” he explains. “I started bragging about it [to friends] to see the reaction.”

He later sought emotional help in therapy and is now at peace with his past.

“I learned that usually the abuser was once the victim…. I’m assuming the girl was a victim herself,” he says. “I realized ‘Wow, she’s not a weird sicko, she was taught that by an adult in her life. ”

“I don’t blame her. I forgive her completely.”

Edited October 18, 2016 by GreatKazu

[ginger90]

they both made it to the interview today.

[poopchute]

Yikes @ those pants.

[GreatKazu]

9 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

they both made it to the interview today.

Of course. More camera time. Free trip. No fucks to give. No jobs. #lazydays #wedontgiveafuck

1 minute ago, poopchute said:

Yikes @ those pants.

That hair. Those shoes!! No. Just no. 

Cate needs a make-over show, not a doctor show.

[ghoulina]

Does Tyler ever post something about her without calling her his "BEAUTIFUL wife"? Me thinks someone doth protest too much. 

[Rebecca]

23 hours ago, teapot said:

Nooooo!!

 

http://www.theashleysrealityroundup.com/2016/10/17/teen-mom-og-star-butch-baltierra-is-back-behind-bars-get-details/

Am I supposed to feel bad? Because I really, really don't. Butch is a big POS who thinks he doesn't have to follow the law like everyone else. I know ~he's an addict~ but so are lots of people and this charge has nothing to do with addiction. Unless you count addiction to stupidity. There are such things as occupational licenses, IF it was related to driving for work. Otherwise he/they have the money to get a cab. I'm sure transportation isn't the best in their small town but I grew up in a town of 10,000 people and we had cabs so I'm not buying he had no other options. I'm certain LE in their area know exactly who Butch is and actively look for him to pull over because they know he's not supposed to be driving. It's not that complicated - don't friggin' drive!

I'm dumbfounded reading (all over) about how great/humorous/whatever Butch is. Why? He's a bigger POS than almost any other person on these TM shows yet he's been getting a pass for years. 

Sorry for going off, this is obviously just my opinion but I just don't understand. I was appalled that MTV did a "Being Butch" special. I'll never watch it. Why are POS men given such a pass?!

Edited October 18, 2016 by Rebecca

[Christina]

I wasn't rooting for Butch, and in fact, am surprised he hasn't been back to jail already. I think he is a grade A douchebag with little redeeming qualities. Being clean and having a job are things I would applaud him for, even though it is a basic requirement of being an adult, but he still doesn't take responsibility for putting April's head through the wall and pouted that he couldn't be at the baby's birthday party because she was going to be there. He probably owes fines or child support and that is why he can't get his license, at least until he pays his debt.

I also remember mention of Tyler's sexual experience at a young age, but it seems like when I heard it, his story was the the girl was around his age, he was a twelve or so, and he was discussing it as between peers as opposed to an older girl abusing him. I'm sure I would have remembered if he had said nine back then. Even being completely consensual experimentation, whether at nine or twelve, his age would have increased his odds of being promiscuous and sexually inappropriate moving forward. I don't want to disbelieve a claim of abuse unless it's coming out of Farrah's mouth, but Tyler's story seems to have changed. I wonder how much older his sister is, because if she is a few years older, it's unlikely she would be hanging around a friend his age. Your pre-teen and teen years are a big gap from your nine-ten years.

[Rebecca]

Just to be clearer, I wasn't accusing anyone here of anything, I'm not talking to the person I quoted (teapot, I think, who just said "nooo") it was just for the link! It's not even really this board but "out there," in general, people seem so amused by Butch. I guess I've seen too many "Butchs" around up close to find him anything but a giant loser who deserves no sympathy/attention.

Edited October 19, 2016 by Rebecca
Spellin' wasn't well here

[SPLAIN]

March 2015 when Cate & Tyler appeared on The Doctors http://www.thedoctorstv.com/articles/3011-exclusive-teen-mom-stars-tell-all

Conquering Chaos also delves into the couple’s journey through pregnancy and their difficult decision to go against their parents' wishes by placing their newborn daughter, Carly, up for adoption.

When Catelynn and Tyler learned they were expecting a baby, they say it was an alarming wake-up call. “Being so young and not having a high school diploma or a job … that’s what was really scary,” Catelynn says.

Now six years later, Tyler and Catelynn uphold that they made the right choice, and they maintain an open relationship with Carly and her adoptive parents. “It made us who we are,” Tyler says. “It made us grow up. It made us look at life a lot differently.” Catelynn adds, “Our goal was to become stable enough one day to be parents again."

Tyler is currently studying sociology and psychology to pursue his passion for youth counseling.

Catelynn and Tyler have been focused on educating adolescents about safe sex and adoption through public speaking events at high schools and colleges across the country.

 

Did anyone watch The Doctors? What bullshit did they say this time around?

[poopchute]

55 minutes ago, SPLAIN said:

Tyler is currently studying sociology and psychology to pursue his passion for youth counseling.

Did he ever actually start college?  I just remember him talking about a degree in Social Working.

[CofCinci]

Last I heard he dropped out in 2012 for New Orleans/Acting. 

[Rebecca]

I think by "studying sociology and psychology" they mean "reading the Wikipedia entries for sociology and psychology". I guess he never got to the social work entry.

[ginger90]

"Our goal was to become stable enough one day to be parents again."

Did she say they achieved their goal??

[DNR]

Tyler a social worker ? Ahhhhh yeah , like he even has the intellect or drive needed to pass courses , do field work etc etc Don't you have to also give an actual shit about other people ? Lotsa lofty dreams while smoking that bong in the recliner 

Edited October 19, 2016 by DNR
Ninja edit

[Tatum]

16 hours ago, Rebecca said:

Am I supposed to feel bad? Because I really, really don't.

I agree. No sympathy for Butch here. He may occasionally say something funny, but he is still a guy who knocked his wife around, continues to ignore his non famous offspring, and bullied his son for wanting to put a baby up for adoption and have a better life.

 

And even if I could ignore all that, the guy landed back in jail for failure to follow certain rules. Just an entitled piece of shit all around.

[DNR]

17 hours ago, poopchute said:

Yikes @ those pants.

I have a cousin who sells Lularoe, EVERYONE around me is In leggings. Apparently that's a thing haha young ladies don't wear pants anymore. Agree Caitlynn would benefit from a makeover - when she's slimmer and wearing makeup , hair did - I think she's a cute girl . Life with Tyler has aged her terribly 

[poopchute]

33 minutes ago, DNR said:

I have a cousin who sells Lularoe, EVERYONE around me is In leggings. Apparently that's a thing haha young ladies don't wear pants anymore. Agree Caitlynn would benefit from a makeover - when she's slimmer and wearing makeup , hair did - I think she's a cute girl . Life with Tyler has aged her terribly 

Oh are they leggings? They looked like actual pants to me but so tight as to cut off circulation.

[DNR]

2 minutes ago, poopchute said:

Oh are they leggings? They looked like actual pants to me but so tight as to cut off circulation.

@poopchute.  They may well be pants but with no glasses on they looked like leggings to me - either way they appear skin tight 

[AmyFarrahFowler]

1 hour ago, DNR said:

Tyler a social worker ? Ahhhhh yeah , like he even has the intellect or drive needed to pass courses , do field work etc etc Don't you have to also give an actual shit about other people ? Lotsa lofty dreams while smoking that bong in the recliner 

Kind of like when I get the munchies and I think I'm a chef.

[Tatum]

15 minutes ago, poopchute said:

Oh are they leggings? They looked like actual pants to me but so tight as to cut off circulation.

I think they are pants. The material looks a little thicker and sturdier than leggings. If so, Cate better pray she never gets caught in a rain storm because if those pants get soaked while she's wearing them, she's probably going to have to cut them off.

Edited October 19, 2016 by Tatum

[Calm81]

1 hour ago, Tatum said:

I agree. No sympathy for Butch here. He may occasionally say something funny, but he is still a guy who knocked his wife around, continues to ignore his non famous offspring, and bullied his son for wanting to put a baby up for adoption and have a better life.

 

And even if I could ignore all that, the guy landed back in jail for failure to follow certain rules. Just an entitled piece of shit all around.

 

Yeah, I never understood the love Butch gets from viewers. I agree that I'm all for his new positive outlook on life and wanting to change for the better; and that everyone makes mistakes. However, I can't forget that one time (at least one time documented) he pushed Aprils head through a wall and got all up in Catelynn's face when she was a teenager. I think he acts for the camera's like all of them do and he also kisses Tyler's behind to keep those rent checks coming and his new set of veneers Ty bought him. Do you really think Butch would be all "holier than thou" & "I'm a changed man," if MTV wasn't documenting his every move or paying his son money he's never seen in his life? He wants Tyler's money and the world to laugh at his lame jokes.

I hope to not piss anyone off with my semi-cynical views of Butch. I just call BS on how April and Butch treat Cate and Ty now that they started to become "Uppa Class" to quote Mr. Grifter "Matt". Everyone plays up to the camera's and I'm not too gullible. :-)