jay741982 March 5, 2019 Share March 5, 2019 Love how Emiko looks like a huge hypocrite giving Oliver all that crap and now we know shes working for Dante 🙄 like that POS Artemis who turned on Oliver and Crew for an Psychopath 2 Link to comment
Chaser March 5, 2019 Share March 5, 2019 I’m not convinced BS killed Diaz. It feels like a red herring to me. Theory time: Siren is being set up. She goes on the run. 7x18 is the others protecting her and the episode ends with her realizing it’s time for her to stop pretending (that line in this episode stood out to me). She gets a hero send off to E2 to become their BC. I think KC is done and I don’t think they will send her down the Villain path again. They won’t kill her either. 5 Link to comment
KenyaJ March 5, 2019 Share March 5, 2019 39 minutes ago, Chaser said: I think KC is done and I don’t think they will send her down the Villain path again. They won’t kill her either. Hmmm. You could be onto something. From KC’s Insta story a few hours ago. 1 Link to comment
lemotomato March 5, 2019 Share March 5, 2019 KC Hair Watch 2019? Feels like déjà vu. 8 2 Link to comment
Chaser March 5, 2019 Share March 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, lemotomato said: KC Hair Watch 2019? Feels like déjà vu. Oh good memories. Makes me want to go hat shopping. 6 Link to comment
lemotomato March 5, 2019 Share March 5, 2019 21 minutes ago, Chaser said: Oh good memories. Makes me want to go hat shopping. Come ooooooon 😂 4 Link to comment
Morrigan2575 March 5, 2019 Share March 5, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, Angel12d said: I think she definitely killed Diaz but it wouldn't shock me if they don't frame it as her being evil? She'll have done it for her friend or something like that, haha. Yeah, evil was too lazy of a word on my part. I guess a better way would be to say she falls back on old habits. So BS killed Diaz and we can even tie it to her pep talk, she killed out of love to protect Felicity and baby not out of hate/revenge/fear. However, she gets caught/found out and now her fake life pretending to be LL beloved DA is over. She's wanted for murder and goes on the run. Dinah/Sara (although really should be Felicity) go to stop her before she kills/hurts someone again. We then get a big emotional scene where BS decides to go to prison for her crimes (not Diaz but, all the other people she killed). This is kind of what i meant with the Faith from Angel situation. BS actually earns her redemption the same way Faith did by, choosing/accepting responsibility and punishment. I mean there are plenty of alternatives too, she could get stopped by Sara/Dinah and, decides to return to E2 as part of her redemption, becoming E2s BC and doing good or something. I'll say this my spec is never 100% right. I said Curtis/Echo would leave but, thought it was 714 and that he'd either die or go on some extended, super secret Argus mission overseas never to be heard from again. Instead we got a 713 departure and he just took a job in DC. I said Diaz was gone after 715 and, he would be killed by Dante (original spec) and then yesterday my crack spec of Felicity setting off the Argus Bomb to protect herself/baby but, I thought it would happen in 715. Instead he is killed in 714 (we hope) and, it's most likely by BS. Same for my crack spec, that was almost right in that Felicity did plan to explode the bomb in Diaz's head but, she changes her mind. Edited March 5, 2019 by Morrigan2575 Link to comment
Velocity23 March 5, 2019 Share March 5, 2019 So does Oliver quit the SCPD in episode 15. Link to comment
Morrigan2575 March 5, 2019 Share March 5, 2019 I seriously hope so but, i wouldn't be shocked if the end result of 715 is just to put them back in the bunker, so CopTA are just an extension of the police force. I never wanted it and i think it's a horrible storyline. I just can't see how they can get out of it. Link to comment
apinknightmare March 5, 2019 Share March 5, 2019 I very much want him to quit but I don't see how he can quit and continue Green Arrowing without getting arrested at this point. 2 Link to comment
Velocity23 March 5, 2019 Share March 5, 2019 Well we know Oliver gonna be frustrated with the police work lol. Link to comment
tv echo March 5, 2019 Share March 5, 2019 (edited) Here's an alternative theory... I think Dante is the big scary Big Bad that Diaz was supposed to be last year. Dante arranged to have Diaz killed at Slabside. The reason that almost nobody can identify Dante is that he kills or orders someone else to kill everyone who's seen him as Dante. That would put a big target on Oliver and Lyla, who have both seen him up close. In another shocker (like the Emiko reveal), we find out that E2 Laurel is also working for Dante and had been tasked with getting close to the Queen family. But she develops a genuine affection for Felicity and a genuine liking for her new D.A. job, which gives her conflicting feelings when she's ordered by Dante to kill Felicity. Beth had comment about how we'll find out if Black Siren is really redeemed or whether she's still the same evil Black Siren. However, so far, E2 Laurel's been acting like she's already redeemed. So there's still got to be some reason that she has to make a choice later on in the season. So E2 Laurel will have to choose whether to side with Felicity or with Dante. Also, what do you bet that Dante is still alive in the flashforwards and that Kevin Dale works for him? I wonder if Adrian Paul's contract extends into S8. Edited March 5, 2019 by tv echo 1 Link to comment
way2interested March 5, 2019 Share March 5, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, tv echo said: That would put a big target on Oliver and Lyla, who have both seen him up close. Yep, but it did seem that Oliver already had a target on him though, since his plan already included Oliver/possibly Team Arrow since Emiko was out being the GA while Oliver was still in prison putting his trust in Emiko before Oliver even saw or really knew who he was. 17 minutes ago, tv echo said: Also, what do you bet that Dante is still alive in the flashforwards and that Kevin Dale works for him? I don't think he's still alive per se, but that his group that is essentially trying to take over the Glades in the present (assuming that the people Emiko was after in 7a is actually Dante's group and that she's actually working with them) is the villain in the FF. Edited March 5, 2019 by way2interested Link to comment
insomniadreams88 March 5, 2019 Share March 5, 2019 Laurel knowing about Felicity's pregnancy could be another sign she's leaving (at least Star City) soon. There was just something about the way she said she wouldn't tell anyone that had me a bit worried. Plus, they're really pushing the Felicity/Laurel friendship and Laurel's redemption a little too hard. And if Laurel does end up betraying Felicity (leading to the 718 episode), that could contribute to Felicity's "paranoia" in the future, as Mia put it. She trusted someone, and they used what she told her against her. Therefore, Felicity decides that she can't trust anyone else with Mia's existence, hence anyone who's not part of OTA and especially not in SC — Roy and Dinah, I still say she leaves at some point this season in the present — is out of the loop. (I could see Felicity trusting Roy, which is why she sends William to him, but if he's not around to tell, I don't see her trying to find him to tell him, you know?) 1 Link to comment
Morrigan2575 March 5, 2019 Share March 5, 2019 16 minutes ago, insomniadreams88 said: Laurel knowing about Felicity's pregnancy could be another sign she's leaving (at least Star City) soon. There was just something about the way she said she wouldn't tell anyone that had me a bit worried. Plus, they're really pushing the Felicity/Laurel friendship and Laurel's redemption a little too hard. I said last night, i thought she would Rat Felicity out. Now, there's always the question of is this scripted or KC's crap acting? You really never know. 3 1 Link to comment
Chaser March 5, 2019 Share March 5, 2019 Laurel was being super earnest with Felicity right from the start. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to take the scene cause I read it threeways. Either she killed Diaz, she is working with Dante or she's fully redeemed and its just the over the top BFFness. 1 2 Link to comment
scarynikki12 March 5, 2019 Share March 5, 2019 We don’t know who she was texting/what she was doing on her phone when Felicity was first talking to her. She could have been in contact with Dante. Link to comment
Morrigan2575 March 5, 2019 Share March 5, 2019 Son of a Bitch, Diaz might still be alive Quote The Ninth Circle is an international criminal organisation and bank. The board of directors are corrupt executives from varying, multinational corporations, who wear masks to conceal their identity. The lower members are forced to join: they're either kidnapped by the organisation itself, or they enlist the Underground Men. The captives are then given a "rebirth" in lava, burning their skin and somehow brainwashing them into mindless servants. To symbolise their membership, coins of nine circles are inserted in their eyes. 1 Link to comment
KenyaJ March 5, 2019 Share March 5, 2019 1 hour ago, insomniadreams88 said: Laurel knowing about Felicity's pregnancy could be another sign she's leaving (at least Star City) soon. There was just something about the way she said she wouldn't tell anyone that had me a bit worried. Plus, they're really pushing the Felicity/Laurel friendship and Laurel's redemption a little too hard. It reminds me of the episodes right before Laurel died when the show kept having Laurel/Oliver scenes to remind us they were friends so there would be some kind of emotional impact from her death. 2 Link to comment
way2interested March 5, 2019 Share March 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said: Son of a Bitch, Diaz might still be alive Might still just be in 715 to show it and still then die or be gone for a while since of KA's silence since 715 minus his reaction tweet. Or maybe he's bitter at not being the big bad anymore. Link to comment
Morrigan2575 March 5, 2019 Share March 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, way2interested said: Might still just be in 715 to show it and still then die or be gone for a while since of KA's silence since 715 minus his reaction tweet. Or maybe he's bitter at not being the big bad anymore. i hope so because him being alive and around will be super annoying 2 Link to comment
tv echo March 5, 2019 Share March 5, 2019 (edited) I don't think this is a spoiler (about Emiko becoming Red Arrow), especially since Emiko is working with Dante, but I'll post it here just to be safe... Edited March 5, 2019 by tv echo Link to comment
Trisha March 5, 2019 Share March 5, 2019 (edited) Since William made a point of saying that the mini cassette looked like the one his grandparents' answering machine used, and we saw Oliver fill up Will's VM, are we all assuming that next week they're going to listen to the tape and it'll be filled with Oliver's messages begging the grandparents to put him in contact with William? Because that would be heartbreaking. Edited March 5, 2019 by Trisha 2 Link to comment
BkWurm1 March 5, 2019 Share March 5, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, Angel12d said: I think she definitely killed Diaz but it wouldn't shock me if they don't frame it as her being evil? She'll have done it for her friend or something like that, haha. Her biggest objection to killing Diaz was being the number one suspect so would him being back in slabside give her better access while also keeping her off the suspect list? What if it's just the guards that wanted revenge for him burning the prison and their coworkers? The 9th Circle creepy thing is sounding more likely but Diaz has no shortage of people that would like to see him dead. 6 hours ago, apinknightmare said: I very much want him to quit but I don't see how he can quit and continue Green Arrowing without getting arrested at this point. Which is why Oliver should never have freaking outed himself no matter what. 12 minutes ago, Trisha said: Since William made a point of saying that the mini cassette looked like the one his grandparents' answering machine used, and we saw Oliver fill up Will's VM, are we all assuming that next week they're going to listen to the tape and it'll be filled with Oliver's messages begging the grandparents to put him in contact with William? Because that would be heartbreaking. It would be. But still would't explain why Oliver and Felicity then never approached him ever. I could kind of buy them being tricked by the Grandparents that William didn't want him to contact him and that Oliver would back off while he's a kid but once he hits 18, why wouldn't he approach him? Are we supposed to believe that they just bought it so completely they never tried to mend fences ever again? Edited March 5, 2019 by BkWurm1 Link to comment
tv echo March 5, 2019 Share March 5, 2019 Quote rosielynn12_39 @josephdjones first, and maybe most importantly, where is Diggle?😂josephdjones @rosielynn12_39 🙊lol ohhh Spoilers.. but some cool stuff is coming up with my Pops that I know y’all are gonna love 1 Link to comment
insomniadreams88 March 5, 2019 Share March 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, BkWurm1 said: It would be. But still would't explain why Oliver and Felicity then never approached him ever. I could kind of buy them being tricked by the Grandparents that William didn't want him to contact him and that Oliver would back off while he's a kid but once he hits 18, why wouldn't he approach him? Are we supposed to believe that they just bought it so completely they never tried to mend fences ever again? Yeah, it's messy. I feel like the grandparents would have to convince Oliver and Felicity that 1) William hates them and blames them for everything that's happened to him, and 2) William's life would be in serious, serious danger if they even talk and if they care about him, they'll leave him alone? Then they'd have to convince William that Oliver and Felicity never want to see or hear from him again? I don't get how any of this will make any sense. Also, stop making Oliver and Felicity suffer! I really hope that when they find Felicity, William finds out that it's his grandparents' fault and they don't just brush it aside. Seriously, why can't the Claytons ever be in the wrong? First Samantha's stupid ultimatum and the disappearing check to help her side, now her parents? 4 Link to comment
statsgirl March 5, 2019 Share March 5, 2019 4 hours ago, insomniadreams88 said: And if Laurel does end up betraying Felicity (leading to the 718 episode), that could contribute to Felicity's "paranoia" in the future, as Mia put it. She trusted someone, and they used what she told her against her. Therefore, Felicity decides that she can't trust anyone else with Mia's existence, hence anyone who's not part of OTA and especially not in SC — Roy and Dinah, I still say she leaves at some point this season in the present — is out of the loop. (I could see Felicity trusting Roy, which is why she sends William to him, but if he's not around to tell, I don't see her trying to find him to tell him, you know?) 2 hours ago, BkWurm1 said: It would be. But still would't explain why Oliver and Felicity then never approached him ever. I could kind of buy them being tricked by the Grandparents that William didn't want him to contact him and that Oliver would back off while he's a kid but once he hits 18, why wouldn't he approach him? Are we supposed to believe that they just bought it so completely they never tried to mend fences ever again? Beth got her gotchas for Mia and Oliver and Felicity abandoning William but I'll take my hat off to her if she can write her way out of this. We're twisting ourselves into knots trying to make this fit the characters that we know. The Oliver who took on William when Samantha died and the Felicity who defended him with her life wouldn't just give up like that. At the least, they would have had Barry look in on him from time to time. 2 hours ago, Trisha said: Since William made a point of saying that the mini cassette looked like the one his grandparents' answering machine used, and we saw Oliver fill up Will's VM, are we all assuming that next week they're going to listen to the tape and it'll be filled with Oliver's messages begging the grandparents to put him in contact with William? Because that would be heartbreaking. If we see that, I'm going to demand that Samantha's parents end up in jail, or at least be severely retaliated on. There is really no justification for keeping William away from Oliver given that they love each other. It's not just hurting Oliver and Felicity, it's hurting William too. But doesn't William have his own phone? Unless his grandparents too it away, of course. 1 Link to comment
insomniadreams88 March 5, 2019 Share March 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, statsgirl said: But doesn't William have his own phone? Unless his grandparents too it away, of course. He has his own phone. Felicity also set up an encrypted messaging thing for him to talk to Zoe while he was away. Central City is not on the other side of the planet or on another Earth. Oliver and Felicity will probably be there at some point during COIE, maybe even before all the craziness so they may have time to fit in a visit. (I have no idea how they'll set up/lead into/kick off COIE, so maybe not?) NONE OF THIS MAKES SENSE. 4 Link to comment
way2interested March 5, 2019 Share March 5, 2019 Unsurprising but appreciated, AP is sticking around through 719 2 Link to comment
Morrigan2575 March 5, 2019 Share March 5, 2019 They made us suffer through Diaz for almost 2 seasons they better give Adrian Paul and Dante until 822 before they kill him. Don't waste the pretty! 7 Link to comment
calliope1975 March 5, 2019 Share March 5, 2019 3 hours ago, BkWurm1 said: Her biggest objection to killing Diaz was being the number one suspect so would him being back in slabside give her better access while also keeping her off the suspect list? True, but is anyone really looking for who (please oh please) killed Diaz? He was in a prison that until very recently treated its prisoners like crap, and oh by the way, he broke into it that one time specifically to kill a guy. And that one time he took the city hostage and the rest of the world shrugged. I think the authorities could chalk it up to don't start none, won't be none and move on the next Big Bad who will terrorize the city in May. 1 Link to comment
Morrigan2575 March 6, 2019 Share March 6, 2019 3 hours ago, BkWurm1 said: Her biggest objection to killing Diaz was being the number one suspect so would him being back in slabside give her better access while also keeping her off the suspect list? Wasn't that because the plan was for BS to get close to Diaz and then set off the bomb? I thought her objection was as much to the plan? Link to comment
BkWurm1 March 6, 2019 Share March 6, 2019 2 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said: Wasn't that because the plan was for BS to get close to Diaz and then set off the bomb? I thought her objection was as much to the plan? She didn't want to be caught. And the relatively public plan made her a main suspect though anyone in the know would blame Felicity just as much I would have thought. (The tech) Honestly if Felicity could remote hack his brain not sure why anyone would have to be anywhere close to set it off. Link to comment
KenyaJ March 6, 2019 Share March 6, 2019 Quote Hudson will appear in episode 719 titled “Spartan” in the CW series. He portrays a Four Star General of the DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency) that Diggle (David Ramsey) is forced to reconnect with for a Team Arrow mission despite unresolved tension from their past. This is awesome casting. I love Ernie Hudson so much. I have to assume the general is Diggle's dad and I'm so interested to find out why they have a strained relationship. (Although, are characters allowed to have anything other than strained relationships with their parents on this show?) Mostly, I'm just happy that after Monday night, I care about a storyline involving Diggle again. 8 Link to comment
JJ928 March 6, 2019 Share March 6, 2019 24 minutes ago, KenyaJ said: I have to assume the general is Diggle's dad and I'm so interested to find out why they have a strained relationship. This is all I want. The second I saw this I thought he'd be great as Digg's dad. 3 Link to comment
Morrigan2575 March 6, 2019 Share March 6, 2019 Good catch to those who saw that blurry video and identified Ernie Hudson Link to comment
jay741982 March 6, 2019 Share March 6, 2019 I just hope they dont pull a Jack Bauer on Diggle making his father and brother both evil Link to comment
tv echo March 6, 2019 Share March 6, 2019 (edited) Why oh why didn't they do a big casting announcement for Adrian Paul? Man, has he aged well! FYI: Ernie Hudson is an American actor, who's best known for Ghostbusters - age 73, height 6'0" - here's his social media links... https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001368/https://twitter.com/ernie_hudsonhttps://www.instagram.com/ernie_hudson/http://erniehudsonofficial.com/ Edited March 6, 2019 by tv echo 1 Link to comment
Angel12d March 6, 2019 Share March 6, 2019 Wow, I'm surprised they managed to get Ernie Hudson! So is this Diggle's dad maybe? Link to comment
tv echo March 6, 2019 Share March 6, 2019 (edited) He's playing General Stewart. So if he turns out to be Diggle's dad, then that means John Diggle's real last name is Stewart! Hmm... that certainly would be game-changing. Quote -- Per 719 casting breakdown for the role of General Stewart: "[GENERAL STEWART] Male, 60s-70s, African-American. A decorated American general who crosses Team Arrow's path on a dangerous mission. Stewart's brilliant military mind afforded him great success in a decades long career in the Army, but his greatest regret is his broken relationship with his mentee from the military, John Diggle... POSSIBLE RECURRING GUEST STAR." (Feb. 14, 2019 casting page in reddit user n80r's post, page 103 of Spoiler Discussion Sequel thread) Edited March 6, 2019 by tv echo Link to comment
BkWurm1 March 6, 2019 Share March 6, 2019 (edited) Maybe Diggle grew up without his father and only really got to know him as a mentor in the army. Maybe we'll get a shocking "I am your father!" moment. I've always wondered if he and his brother shared both parents. Andy was a pocket sized Diggle. Edited March 6, 2019 by BkWurm1 Link to comment
Featherhat March 6, 2019 Share March 6, 2019 (edited) Well they did tease in the crossover if the name holds out, But very good casting. Okay um just saw @Trisha s post. …………………. Edited March 6, 2019 by Featherhat Link to comment
insomniadreams88 March 6, 2019 Share March 6, 2019 WOW. I really hope that COIE isn't included in that. I want 10 Arrow episodes + COIE, but it'll probably be 9 + COIE. Link to comment
KenyaJ March 6, 2019 Share March 6, 2019 Can't really say I'm surprised that S8 is the last or that it's an abbreviated season. I just hope they use it to fix this future mess and that the supporting characters I don't care about take a big back seat to the ones I do care about. 6 Link to comment
calliope1975 March 6, 2019 Share March 6, 2019 Well, I can't say I'm surprised. It's been a good run, and I hope they'll end it well. 4 Link to comment
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