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19 hours ago, LaurenBrook said:

i guess.  but i thought she looked good in her pics from solos.  from the comments here i was expecting to see her falling out of her clothes or something.  her legs are amazing. 

I think she looked fine.  Several girls had more modest costuming I thought.  You don't have to be half naked to look good and have a good solo. :) 

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59 minutes ago, Kayce said:

I think she looked fine.  Several girls had more modest costuming I thought.  You don't have to be half naked to look good and have a good solo. :) 

The dance style she excels at is lyrical and that’s exactly what you wear for that style of dance. Lacey wore a similarly flown dress for her lyrical solo.  I still side eye it though since we all know her tummy is soft and that’s a pretty convenient costume.  

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1 hour ago, Kayce said:

I think she looked fine.  Several girls had more modest costuming I thought.  You don't have to be half naked to look good and have a good solo. :) 

I guess my thought is that it's a much bigger deal for vets to wear a conservative, tummy-covering costume for solos.  A lot of the judges are seeing them for the first time since maybe months before (since vets aren't at prelims or semi's where everyone is wearing two piece costumes).  the judges all saw Victoria just days before in first two rounds and know what her abs look like.  Again, this just MY thought and I'm not expert but I truly don't think it's a big deal that Vic, a non-vet, wore the costume she did.  But then, I also think her figure looks totally fine so i'm the odd person out anyway. 

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I don’t see a big issue with the costume either. Her body was obviously exposed during prelims and semis and later in the day during finals, so it’s not like she was covered in robes throughout the whole process.

I always find the complaints about vets trying to hide weight gain to be fairly silly too. They’re going to be on a massive screen a few hours later in a sports bra and hot pants. They can’t hide it, so even if they’re trying to, they won’t be successful lol.

i also think the style of dance matters. If Victoria did a lyrical piece, I can see why she might opt for that style of costume.

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Since this is a spoiler thread does anyone have a full list of training camp candidates with an up close photo like last yea?  Thank you to the list makers on here, for all the time and effort put into these lists by the way, it really helps to keep us  informed and engaged in the process as its happening.

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20 minutes ago, Jess14 said:

I don’t see a big issue with the costume either. Her body was obviously exposed during prelims and semis and later in the day during finals, so it’s not like she was covered in robes throughout the whole process.

I always find the complaints about vets trying to hide weight gain to be fairly silly too. They’re going to be on a massive screen a few hours later in a sports bra and hot pants. They can’t hide it, so even if they’re trying to, they won’t be successful lol.

i also think the style of dance matters. If Victoria did a lyrical piece, I can see why she might opt for that style of costume.

yeah, going back on her IG it looks like she used that costume for a dance (that she won awards for) last year and it was def more a lyrical style. 

6 minutes ago, DCCroutineFAN said:

Since this is a spoiler thread does anyone have a full list of training camp candidates with an up close photo like last yea?  Thank you to the list makers on here, for all the time and effort put into these lists by the way, it really helps to keep us  informed and engaged in the process as its happening.

i miss when ultimate cheerleaders site would post at least a basic pic of who all made it to camp! 

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22 minutes ago, Jess14 said:

I don’t see a big issue with the costume either. Her body was obviously exposed during prelims and semis and later in the day during finals, so it’s not like she was covered in robes throughout the whole process.

I always find the complaints about vets trying to hide weight gain to be fairly silly too. They’re going to be on a massive screen a few hours later in a sports bra and hot pants. They can’t hide it, so even if they’re trying to, they won’t be successful lol.

i also think the style of dance matters. If Victoria did a lyrical piece, I can see why she might opt for that style of costume.

Reminds me of Tasha when she did a podcast, and they were talking about weight. She said no one could tell she gained weight last year at finals. I was rolling my eyes because even with my eye health problems I could tell she was softer and put on some weight when she was on the field during finals, and I am sure the judges noticed also. She was lucky she was not cut at finals for weight and having a bad interview.

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17 hours ago, dreamcatcher said:

I really don't see it. She has a killer body but still the same smirk/RBF.

She got some of the best swimsuits to model. Didn’t see a single one she modeled that was ugly.  Some of the suits on some of them were awful! And on another thread, there are posts of previous years and they had some awful ones then too. 

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33 minutes ago, Smplsimon said:

Wow, that's REALLY out of shape.

I think she looks good lol. I prefer this over too thin or too toned. Guess that’s why they take a variety of sizes within a range.  

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1 hour ago, LaurenBrook said:

i miss when ultimate cheerleaders site would post at least a basic pic of who all made it to camp! 

Maybe they're not given a photo to post by the DCC org.

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2 hours ago, LaurenBrook said:

I guess my thought is that it's a much bigger deal for vets to wear a conservative, tummy-covering costume for solos.  A lot of the judges are seeing them for the first time since maybe months before (since vets aren't at prelims or semi's where everyone is wearing two piece costumes).  the judges all saw Victoria just days before in first two rounds and know what her abs look like.  Again, this just MY thought and I'm not expert but I truly don't think it's a big deal that Vic, a non-vet, wore the costume she did.  But then, I also think her figure looks totally fine so i'm the odd person out anyway. 

I'm right there with you.  Lacey has worn the same type of costume for at least two years in solos.  The people calling her fat....well all I can say is I wish I was fat like her :) 

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15 minutes ago, omgtv said:

I think Dayton is gorgeous and has a killer figure. I am SO over DCC and their super skinny body type. Let's have some variety- and I don't mean the super skinny one with abs vs. the super skinny one with a little butt. 

This is why I cheer on the girls like Kandi Harris, TC Candidate Megan from Season 9, the one girl from Season 3 who was cut because of her behind, and Grace Lee Sells from Season 4. I saw nothing wrong with their shape at all. If I had their shape I would be one happy camper. I hate the fact the girls who are the same height have to weigh the same. It is so silly!

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The whole "Same height = same weight" that Kelli (as well as Judy and Charlotte) are pushing is dangerous.  Many of you already know I have an issue with them pushing it, especially since we've heard that diet pills, juice cleanses, highly restrictive diets, and various other potentially dangerous weight control methods have been used by the dancers to maintain or lose weight.  If we've heard it, I'm sure that Kelli and the rest have heard it so their whole "lose weight in a healthy manner" spiel doesn't ring true.  The fact that they also expect a girl to maintain a certain weight throughout their entire career is ridiculously unhealthy.  The fact that the girls (well, MOST of them) who make the squad already have super thin physiques while the ones who have curves, butts, and other womanly features tend to either not make camp or the squad because they look "heavy" on the giant screen even if they weigh LESS and are in better shape than some of the so-called "thin" girls is focusing TOO much on appearance and not enough on the health (both physical and mental) of the girls.  I get that there likely won't be a change in this way of thinking until Judy, Kelli and Charlotte retire, if then.  I suspect that many of the injuries we've seen in camp have been due to health-related stresses, i.e. the girls not eating the proper foods in terms of nutrition or amounts in order to stay thin.

Off my soapbox now.

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23 minutes ago, EricaShadows said:

The whole "Same height = same weight" that Kelli (as well as Judy and Charlotte) are pushing is dangerous.  Many of you already know I have an issue with them pushing it, especially since we've heard that diet pills, juice cleanses, highly restrictive diets, and various other potentially dangerous weight control methods have been used by the dancers to maintain or lose weight.  If we've heard it, I'm sure that Kelli and the rest have heard it so their whole "lose weight in a healthy manner" spiel doesn't ring true.  The fact that they also expect a girl to maintain a certain weight throughout their entire career is ridiculously unhealthy.  The fact that the girls (well, MOST of them) who make the squad already have super thin physiques while the ones who have curves, butts, and other womanly features tend to either not make camp or the squad because they look "heavy" on the giant screen even if they weigh LESS and are in better shape than some of the so-called "thin" girls is focusing TOO much on appearance and not enough on the health (both physical and mental) of the girls.  I get that there likely won't be a change in this way of thinking until Judy, Kelli and Charlotte retire, if then.  I suspect that many of the injuries we've seen in camp have been due to health-related stresses, i.e. the girls not eating the proper foods in terms of nutrition or amounts in order to stay thin.

Off my soapbox now.

This is why I think the real reason why Courtney Cook left right before TC started in Season 8 was not revealed because she allegedly left due to serious health issues in regard to trying to keep her weight down aka diet pills. Kelli and Charlotte did not want people to know one of the girls got sick trying to maintain an unrealistic weight to fit into the uniform. They called Kelsey Bond into the office because they were worried she might have had an eating disorder because a few of the vets were worried she look too skinny, but the same night they cut one girl because she did not look good in the uniform aka her bottom during her cameo photo shoot. They were making her look space out or robotic in the cut scene because they probably did not want it to come out she was in Urgent Care the night before cameo shoot because she was trying to fit into her uniform. No, we cannot let it come out one of our vets or TC Candidates is doing some dangerous things to get the weight off or fit into the iconic uniform. I also find it ironic one year vet Allie won Jay's boot camp workout, and she was called out for weight during TC, and cut for weight at finals the following year. Being skinny does not mean being in the best physical shape.

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I think the fact that they care about weight, as in the number on the scale, is itself counter-productive. They’re not real cheerleaders who are being lifted in the air in stunts by other women or men, and they’re not gymnasts, where weight gain can actually affect skills. They should be more concerned about measurements and how they look in the uniform than numbers on the scale -taken in the evening no less, which is the worst time to weigh in.

Likewise, some women can gain weight and not show it, whereas others don’t so again, the numbers can be deceiving. A lot of it just depends on where ppl carry their weight. For example, i tend to carry weight all over, so while I may notice weight gain in my clothes,  i have to gain quite a bit for others to notice. Likewise, one of my good friends seems to gain weight in her face and breasts first, so it’s obvious to other people, but her jeans don’t start to fit tight so quickly like mine do lol!

Back to DCC though, a one size fits all approach is not ideal when you’re dealing with grown women’s bodies.

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2 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

This is why I cheer on the girls like Kandi Harris, TC Candidate Megan from Season 9, the one girl from Season 3 who was cut because of her behind, and Grace Lee Sells from Season 4. I saw nothing wrong with their shape at all. If I had their shape I would be one happy camper. I hate the fact the girls who are the same height have to weigh the same. It is so silly!

Katie Schouten

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Katie Schouten was sexy. She had a beautiful, curvaceous body. When she was cut I was very upset, because they were essentially saying stick thin is in. But my thing is why take her to TC, they knew what her body looked like from before, she didn't overnight become curvy!! I thought she looked amazing in the uniform..

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13 minutes ago, adukesantana said:

Katie Schouten was sexy. She had a beautiful, curvaceous body. When she was cut I was very upset, because they were essentially saying stick thin is in. But my thing is why take her to TC, they knew what her body looked like from before, she didn't overnight become curvy!! I thought she looked amazing in the uniform..

I agree. I was rewatching Season 11, and they told a TC Candidate before she was cut she was not top 36 at finals. I thought way the heck is she doing in TC if she was not top 36 in the first place. Why bring in extra girls who do not have a snow ball chance in you know where of making the team. Ratings? Drama? Because we like her *looking at you Kelli and Charlotte*

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I was REALLY rooting for Katie Schouten.  She was gorgeous.  She was curvaceous and sexy.  She was a good dancer.  The only reason we ever heard that she didn't make it further was because they didn't like how she looked in the uniform.  That didn't stop Allie from making the squad.  That didn't stop Stephanie Heyman.  It didn't stop any number of other girls, but it's one of the easiest excuses they have to cut a girl when there is no other reason (that we know of) for a cut to occur.

I loved Liz Reuter as well, but could see why they not only cut her the first time around, but didn't take her to camp when she reauditioned.  Liz had a great body, she was just softer than they needed and, although she said she was putting the work in, she remained soft.  I wonder how much time they gave Liz to slim down and tone up.  If they gave her a week to lose 5-10 pounds (or however much it was), then just tell her right then and there she's cut.  If they gave her three weeks or more (which I doubt) to lose the weight, then that's something else.  However, the second time around, Liz had all year to get into fantastic shape (it's possible, just a lot of hard work and clean eating) and she didn't.  She was just as soft or maybe even softer than the year before.

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After watching the field pic here are a few of my observations:

1. Lauren's high kick ???. It rivals Khalyn's high kick for the best extension.

2. Come again with Keyra being soft ???. They wanted to cut her....but needed an excuse...

3. If Selina also got got cut for being soft then Dayton should have NEVER had made TC. They were in the same group and looked equally as soft...

4. Miranda looked great.

5. Tara just look average to me.

6. The redhead in the second to last and last pictures is one of my new faves. Screams DCC and is sexy as hell.

7. The finalist with the wonky ankle, I could just see Judy cringing with anxiety right now.

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Keyra did look good in the waist, but her behind and thighs still look a little bigger. Kelli said she had an athletic build (meaning bigger thighs-not the long lean legs and her boots were eating up most of her legs during last year's cameo shoot.) Other girls in the past were cut for the same issue. She may have been told during the season to tone up her thighs and behind. I think she may also had a little bit of an attitude especially after seeing her reaction to Kelli or Judy in one of the later episodes when they said something to her during practice. I also remember her saying it was not her dancing causing her not to make the team, but it was her weight and the fact she broke up with her fiancé right before auditions last year. She was like I am going to make this team this year, and the way she said it sounded a little cocky in my opinion. Plus she may have thought she was a shoo in because her friend Cersten was on the team, and we all have seen how Cersten acts on social media when it comes to her "career"

I also see why Selina was cut after seeing the one picture. She looks around the same she did last year during TC. I do not think Dayton looks the same as Selina. Dayton will have time to work on her midsection, and Selina had at least one or two years to work on it.

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31 minutes ago, adukesantana said:

After watching the field pic here are a few of my observations:

2. Come again with Keyra being soft ???. They wanted to cut her....but needed an excuse...

Ding, ding, ding! They may have decided that they suddenly disliked her body, but it’s not because she let herself go. She has always had a gymnast’s body. I think they just didn’t like her look in general to be honest and probably liked the look of the black girls who showed up to tryouts better this year. Add in Cersten retiring, and she no longer had the friend bonus either. 

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9 minutes ago, Jess14 said:

Ding, ding, ding! They may have decided that they suddenly disliked her body, but it’s not because she let herself go. She has always had a gymnast’s body. I think they just didn’t like her look in general to be honest and probably liked the look of the black girls who showed up to tryouts better this year. Add in Cersten retiring, and she no longer had the friend bonus either. 

Kelli brought up her shape last year at cameo shoot. She mentioned she had an athletic body especially with her thicker thighs (no long lean thighs and the fact her boots ate up most of her legs from the knees down.) Her thighs still look a little heavy, and her behind looks the same as it did last year. What saved her last year was the fact Kelli liked her dancing, or she may have been cut due to her shape. I also think she had a little attitude which may have not pleased Kelli, Judy and Charlotte, and thought she was going to make the team because she had a good friend Cersten who was a standout in the eyes of the judges and who Kelli and Charlotte like. It would not be the first time this has happened. I think a big part of the reason why Stephanie H. made the squad with her shape was the fact Kelli liked her dancing, and she was good friends with Brooke because Judy did not care for her at all. There is a lot of things going behind the scene with Keyra we have no clue about which probably lead to her being cut, and I think her shape was a part of it.

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2 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

Kelli brought up her shape last year at cameo shoot. She mentioned she had an athletic body especially with her thicker thighs (no long lean thighs and the fact her boots ate up most of her legs from the knees down.) Her thighs still look a little heavy, and her behind looks the same as it did last year. What saved her last year was the fact Kelli liked her dancing, or she may have been cut due to her shape. 

Yeah, that’s kind of the point... She looks like she did last year when she made the team. If body wasn’t an issue then, it shouldn’t be now, although it’s certainly Kelli’s prerogative to change her mind. However, some ppl have tried to portray it as Keyra gaining a bunch of weight. Her pictures don’t suggest that she did, and losing a gut is nowhere near the same thing as slimming down through your hips, thighs, and butt when you’re shaped like Keyra is. She doesn’t appear to be soft, so to seriously slim down through that area, she would probably need to lose an unhealthy amount of weight. It ain’t happening, and I imagine that Kelli has been around enough body types during her time as a DCC and now a director to understand that.

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14 minutes ago, nittanyvolleyball said:

We don't know that her figure is the reason they cut her, it could be for a bad interview or messing up the combo. We won't know until the show airs.

Exactly! It could be a combination of things.

 

23 minutes ago, Jess14 said:

Yeah, that’s kind of the point... She looks like she did last year when she made the team. If body wasn’t an issue then, it shouldn’t be now, although it’s certainly Kelli’s prerogative to change her mind. However, some ppl have tried to portray it as Keyra gaining a bunch of weight. Her pictures don’t suggest that she did, and losing a gut is nowhere near the same thing as slimming down through your hips, thighs, and butt when you’re shaped like Keyra is. She doesn’t appear to be soft, so to seriously slim down through that area, she would probably need to lose an unhealthy amount of weight. It ain’t happening, and I imagine that Kelli has been around enough body types during her time as a DCC and now a director to understand that.

I do think a part of the reason why she was made the team was the fact she was Cersten's friend and Jacie's cousin because girls in the past with the same type of build would have been cut aka Megan from Season 9, Katie S. and Grace Sells and even Vivian was cut for having thick thighs in Season 9 (I apologized for using her for an example.) I also think they use the weight excuse to cut a vet instead of coming out with the real reason(s) they want to cut one.

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7 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

Exactly! It could be a combination of things.

 

I do think a part of the reason why she was made the team was the fact she was Cersten's friend and Jacie's cousin because girls in the past with the same type of build would have been cut aka Megan from Season 9, Katie S. and Grace Sells and even Vivian was cut for having thick thighs in Season 9 (I apologized for using her for an example.) I also think they use the weight excuse to cut a vet instead of coming out with the real reason(s) they want to cut one.

I agree with that. Her association with Cersten definitely helped her IMO, and the team is inconsistent with weight requirements (along with everything else). They let it slide on some girls and not on others. Keyra certainly could’ve screwed up something else at tryouts. My argument was just in response to the common refrain on this board that she got cut for weight. I don’t buy it at all as the real reason (I have eyes lol), though that doesn’t mean it won’t be provided to the audience as the reason for her cut, if they address it all. 

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9 hours ago, Brighid said:

In case you missed it in the List thread.. 2018 TCC's

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So Brennen did make it back for a 3rd time.  Which rookie TCCs are from other teams?

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8 minutes ago, MrsEVH said:

So Brennen did make it back for a 3rd time.  Which rookie TCCs are from other teams?

Brianna was a titans cheerleader 

Bridget was a charger girl 

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I don't care for either of the rookie candidate redheads in TC: Hannah has a primo RBF (even better than Gina's).  IF she smiled she might get me to change my opinion...but in this pic she just looks really pissed off and I'm just not a fan of Jalyn's look/haircolor.  I think her hair  is harsh looking and the style is very dated and stiff looking.  Now...that being said...I was a huge fan of Katelynn who was cut because of her harsh haircolor last season.  She can be softened up with makeup, a hairstyle that doesn't look like helmet hair and maybe a hair color that isn't so hideous. I might have a change of heart then.  My fave rookie candidates are : Jasmin (I think she is gorgeous and reminds me of Jackie Bob), Dayton (I've been team Dayton since last year), Briana (I was rooting for her last year) and Brennan (I hope third time is a charm for her).  The rest is a toss up for me.  There's a lot of talent this year and a lot of really pretty girls.  The vets need to be on their toes...I really don't think any of them will get cut, but I've thought that before only to be proven wrong. 

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3 hours ago, adukesantana said:

3. If Selina also got got cut for being soft then Dayton should have NEVER had made TC. They were in the same group and looked equally as soft...

I cannot agree enough with #3 -- Dayton looks awful!

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"They let it slide on some girls and not on others"...yes Kelli is VERY inconsistent when it comes to calling out certain people for weight. See below:-

1. Meredith Oden - my FAVORITE redhead and one my favorite DCCs of ALL time. But let's face it. After season 1 Meredith was very soft for at least a couple of seasons before been called out in a group in Kelli's office..

2. Megan C. - I suspected that Megan had gain weight in her second year when she wore that dress covering her body for finals..she looked soft most of the year including at show group tryouts..

3. Melissa W. - she always had a boxy shape to me, but boy could she dance!! Melissa also was one that looked soft from her rookie year to me.

4. Amy T. - blond bombshell!! But she to me always toed the line in being very curvy and soft in the middle.

I'm not trying to drag any of these ladies, but let's be honest if you are going to pull up one, pull up all.

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14 hours ago, Brighid said:

In case you missed it in the List thread.. 2018 TCC's

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Thanks for this!  I can’t wait to print it out and start adding my X’s!!!  Good luck to all!

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1 hour ago, adukesantana said:

They let it slide on some girls and not on others"...yes Kelli is VERY inconsistent when it comes to calling out certain people for weight. See below:-

1. Meredith Oden - my FAVORITE redhead and one my favorite DCCs of ALL time. But let's face it. After season 1 Meredith was very soft for at least a couple of seasons before been called out in a group in Kelli's office..

2. Megan C. - I suspected that Megan had gain weight in her second year when she wore that dress covering her body for finals..she looked soft most of the year including at show group tryouts..

3. Melissa W. - she always had a boxy shape to me, but boy could she dance!! Melissa also was one that looked soft from her rookie year to me.

4. Amy T. - blond bombshell!! But she to me always toed the line in being very curvy and soft in the middle.

I'm not trying to drag any of these ladies, but let's be honest if you are going to pull up one, pull up all.

Kelli also called Erica Jenkins into the office because she wore a baggy shirt during her solo and accused her of hiding weight gain.

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37 minutes ago, MrsEVH said:

Kelli also called Erica Jenkins into the office because she wore a baggy shirt during her solo and accused her of hiding weight gain.

They made her weight a focus of that Season (3 I think). When Kelli called her into the office and brought up her baggy shirt she also said Erica gained 10 pounds to which Erica kind of snappily replied “I am a fluctuator, it’s already going back down”. But then during the picture day Kelli brought up how great she looked after working with Jay, so she must have lost some weight during training camp. I did like how Judy defended Erica after the office meeting and said she normally isn’t so defensive and angry. I thought Erica was beautiful and a great dancer, her body looked amazing even when they said she was 10 pounds heavier.  

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Kandi Harris was the lowest ranked vet in Season 3. I think she may have come close to being cut during TC. I think her tail bone injury at the start of TC may have lead to gaining a few pounds. I also think Abigail Klein was called out for weight during Season 2 too, but it was not shown on the show.

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