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[Fool to cry]

2 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

They are also predictable and relatively uncomplicated. Which is not a knock on the genre. I am a proud reader of romance novels, and romance is the backbone of the publishing industry because it is also predictable and relatively uncomplicated. 

My point is genres other than superheroes should be predictable and uncomplicated if they want to attract audiences. That's how it used to be. The directors and actors of today that are actually talented don't want to now because they want to be "edgy" and "challenging". 

Edited August 20 by Fool to cry

[Palimelon]

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So do I, though I wanted to throttle Tea Leoni’s character.

They had to make her as wretched as possible to prop up Paz Vega's character.

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My point is genres other than superheroes should be predictable and uncomplicated if they want to attract audiences. That's how it used to be. The directors and actors of today that are actually talented don't want to now because they want to be "edgy" and "challenging". 

I don't know, sometimes taking a risk works, and has many times in the past.

[Cobalt Stargazer]

4 hours ago, Palimelon said:

They had to make her as wretched as possible to prop up Paz Vega's character.

I don't know, sometimes taking a risk works, and has many times in the past.

Yes, but that's how you get Joaquin Phoenix winning the Oscar for Joker.

[Palimelon]

Would that be considered a risk though?

[Raja]

3 minutes ago, Palimelon said:

Would that be considered a risk though?

I am sure the nerd community thought a Joker without the Batman was a gigantic risk. And the sequel even coming off of a hit since its being reported to be a musical is even more of a reach.

[Palimelon]

My bad, should have said "Wouldn't that be a risk..." instead.

[Crashcourse]

I watched The Banshees of Inisherin yesterday and I don't understand all the accolades it received.  I thought it was fekkin' boring.   I thought Colin Farrell and Brendan Gleeson were much better In Bruges. 

[Fool to cry]

What's really killing theatrical movies now is that most new filmmakers are like brilliant young doctors who have lots of knowledge but absolutely no bedside manner.

[proserpina65]

I'm tired of Margot Robbie being cast in practically everything.  I don't think she's that great an actress, although in certain narrow niches she's okay.  I really do not see her as Catherine Earnshaw in Wuthering Heights.  If she brings that hard quality of hers to the role, it could work, I guess, but there are so many other actress who'd be more suited.

[Palimelon]

I feel the same way about Emma Stone.

[Spartan Girl]

There’s no way Jacob Elordi can play Heathcliff. At least cast a POC in the role since the book implied he was such! 

[proserpina65]

16 hours ago, Spartan Girl said:

There’s no way Jacob Elordi can play Heathcliff. At least cast a POC in the role since the book implied he was such! 

Eh, the book leaves room for the possibility but it's hardly canon.  I see nothing wrong with casting Elordi although I probably would've gone with someone more Mediterranean looking. 

[Palimelon]

Plus, Moor could also be someone Arab or Berber from the region too...

But hey, Anthony Quinn was cast as someone Greek and it worked, so who knows.

Edited September 26 by Palimelon

[proserpina65]

On 9/26/2024 at 12:36 PM, proserpina65 said:

Eh, the book leaves room for the possibility but it's hardly canon.  I see nothing wrong with casting Elordi although I probably would've gone with someone more Mediterranean looking. 

Wanted to add that had Ms. Fennell gone in that direction, I wouldn't have objected as long as I thought the actor could handle to role.  (Not sure if I think Elordi can but for me he's less of an issue in that respect than Robbie.)

I'm just hoping she gets that Wuthering Heights isn't really a romance but is instead about two obsessed, narcissistic people who destroy everyone around them.

[Fool to cry]

19 hours ago, proserpina65 said:

Wanted to add that had Ms. Fennell gone in that direction, I wouldn't have objected as long as I thought the actor could handle to role.  (Not sure if I think Elordi can but for me he's less of an issue in that respect than Robbie.)

I'm just hoping she gets that Wuthering Heights isn't really a romance but is instead about two obsessed, narcissistic people who destroy everyone around them.

I mean I got that from the MTV version from the early 2000s starring Katherine Heigl set in the modern day! I was like "Wow, these people are awful!"

[proserpina65]

1 hour ago, Fool to cry said:

I mean I got that from the MTV version from the early 2000s starring Katherine Heigl set in the modern day! I was like "Wow, these people are awful!"

They really are terrible but some people still seem to think Wuthering Heights is some great romance.  I mean, sure, I thought so after watching the movie with Merle Oberon and Laurence Olivier, but then I read the book.

Sounds like the people who made the MTV movie understood it.

[Ohiopirate02]

3 hours ago, proserpina65 said:

They really are terrible but some people still seem to think Wuthering Heights is some great romance.  I mean, sure, I thought so after watching the movie with Merle Oberon and Laurence Olivier, but then I read the book.

After watching both Promising Young Woman and Saltburn, I don't think we are getting yet another Wuthering Heights adaptation that glorifies abusive relationships because a broody Heathcliffe is hot. I feel like we are going to get a rather faithful adaptation of the book. I also think after watching Saltburn that necrophilia is on the table. 

[DoctorAtomic]

I'll never forget Wuthering Heights because our senior year english teacher was totally fangirling (before the word was invented) over Timothy Dalton's thighs. She wasn't even trying to hide it. 

[andromeda331]

6 hours ago, proserpina65 said:

They really are terrible but some people still seem to think Wuthering Heights is some great romance.  I mean, sure, I thought so after watching the movie with Merle Oberon and Laurence Olivier, but then I read the book.

Sounds like the people who made the MTV movie understood it.

Which I never understood. It's very clear in the book it's not a great romance. Cathy and Heathcliff are both terrible people.

[Anela]

2 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

Which I never understood. It's very clear in the book it's not a great romance. Cathy and Heathcliff are both terrible people.

I’ve never read it, but it was one of my mum’s favourite books.  
 

[proserpina65]

22 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

After watching both Promising Young Woman and Saltburn, I don't think we are getting yet another Wuthering Heights adaptation that glorifies abusive relationships because a broody Heathcliffe is hot. I feel like we are going to get a rather faithful adaptation of the book. I also think after watching Saltburn that necrophilia is on the table. 

I've never seen Promising Young Woman but Saltburn did not give me confidence in Emerald Fennell's ability as director.

21 hours ago, DoctorAtomic said:

I'll never forget Wuthering Heights because our senior year english teacher was totally fangirling (before the word was invented) over Timothy Dalton's thighs. She wasn't even trying to hide it. 

I totally get that, because Timothy Dalton = yum.  Some people can move past that to understand the source material but unfortunately a lot of people can't.

[Ohiopirate02]

1 hour ago, proserpina65 said:

I've never seen Promising Young Woman but Saltburn did not give me confidence in Emerald Fennell's ability as director.

 

I find Promising Young Woman to be a stronger film than Saltburn. It's less self-indulgent and the story is less muddled. I think Emerald can successfully adapt WH if she sticks close to the source material and does not add in any extra class critique that only Brits of a certain income level can understand. 

[andromeda331]

16 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I find Promising Young Woman to be a stronger film than Saltburn. It's less self-indulgent and the story is less muddled. I think Emerald can successfully adapt WH if she sticks close to the source material and does not add in any extra class critique that only Brits of a certain income level can understand. 

I really liked Promising Young Woman. Women like Madison and the Dean not caring what happened to Nina until they were placed in the same position. Which is sadly very realistic. As depressing as it is Cassie never recovering. It felt realistic too. Somethings you don't recover from. And of course the men getting arrested in the end. Also, was really interesting that the only one who actually felt bad about what happened was the defense lawyer. 

[Wiendish Fitch]

On 9/30/2024 at 3:50 PM, proserpina65 said:

I'm just hoping she gets that Wuthering Heights isn't really a romance but is instead about two obsessed, narcissistic people who destroy everyone around them.

THANK YOU. It's unsettling how many people miss this. 

Jacob Elordi as Heathcliff? Eh, maybe it could work. Heathcliff was a violent asshole, and if the allegations against Elordi are to be believed...

Sorry, that's not fair, I'm just engaging in hollow snark. My UO is... do we really need another Wuthering Heights adaptation? 

Edited October 3 by Wiendish Fitch

[Palimelon]

Do we really need another adaptation of any previously well received version?

I get it's easier and safer for studios to remake something that is a recognized and well liked IP, but I'd rather see them remake a previous movie that had potential but still flopped (ie, if you're going to remake an Audrey Hepburn movie, as an example, don't do Charade or Sabrina, maybe do Paris When It Sizzles instead).

[andromeda331]

43 minutes ago, Palimelon said:

Do we really need another adaptation of any previously well received version?

I get it's easier and safer for studios to remake something that is a recognized and well liked IP, but I'd rather see them remake a previous movie that had potential but still flopped (ie, if you're going to remake an Audrey Hepburn movie, as an example, don't do Charade or Sabrina, maybe do Paris When It Sizzles instead).

That would be interesting. There's a lot of movies that had potential it would be fun to see if they could redo those and make them better.

[DearEvette]

2 hours ago, Wiendish Fitch said:

Sorry, that's not fair, I'm just engaging in hollow snark. My UO is... do we really need another Wuthering Heights adaptation? 

I feel this way about every Jane Austen adaptation. 

[JustHereForFood]

I just assume it's easier for them to adapt older books that are in the public domain and they don't have to convince authors about their vision for the adaptation.

[proserpina65]

5 hours ago, JustHereForFood said:

I just assume it's easier for them to adapt older books that are in the public domain and they don't have to convince authors about their vision for the adaptation.

I'm sure that has a lot to do with it but that doesn't keep me from wishing they would stop it.

[Ohiopirate02]

I would love to see filmmakers tackle some other 19th century novels. Give me an adaptation of Middlemarch or The Tenant of Wildfell Hall or Vilette, or something by Elizabeth Gaskell. 

[Wiendish Fitch]

And when is George McDonald going to get his due?! The only film adaptation of any of his work that I'm aware of is that crappy 1994 flick The Princess and the Goblin that maybe 20 people on the planet have seen!

[EtheltoTillie]

On 10/4/2024 at 11:48 AM, Ohiopirate02 said:

I would love to see filmmakers tackle some other 19th century novels. Give me an adaptation of Middlemarch or The Tenant of Wildfell Hall or Vilette, or something by Elizabeth Gaskell. 

Middlemarch was done by BBC, as was one of the Gaskell novels. 

[proserpina65]

19 hours ago, EtheltoTillie said:

Middlemarch was done by BBC, as was one of the Gaskell novels. 

The Middlemarch adaptation had the young and extremely lovely Rufus Sewell in it.  I'm familiar with at least 3 Gaskell adaptations, Wives and Daughters, North and South, and Cranford.  Not sure they were all by the BBC, though.

[EtheltoTillie]

9 minutes ago, proserpina65 said:

The Middlemarch adaptation had the young and extremely lovely Rufus Sewell in it.  I'm familiar with at least 3 Gaskell adaptations, Wives and Daughters, North and South, and Cranford.  Not sure they were all by the BBC, though.

Oh, I saw that years ago and didn't really know Rufus Sewell then. I will have to look it up for re-viewing.  I love the book Middlemarch.

I'm using BBC loosely--I just mean they're from the British Industrial Complex of series productions that get shown on PBS. 

Edited October 11 by EtheltoTillie

[Ohiopirate02]

On 10/10/2024 at 4:52 PM, EtheltoTillie said:

Middlemarch was done by BBC, as was one of the Gaskell novels. 

I am aware that the BBC has done these adaptations, but this is a movies thread not a miniseries one. I want more huge, theatrical releases of other classic novels not another rehash of the same 5-7 books. 

[tv echo]

I didn't enjoy Starship Troopers, but apparently it was popular enough to warrant a reunion 27 years later. I have to say, though, the cast has aged really well...

Starship Troopers full cast reunion panel at NYCC 2024
Popverse   posted Nov 15, 2024

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"This is for all you new people. I have only one rule." Enjoy this Starship Troopers reunion panel! Watch as Casper Van Dien (Juan Rico), Dina Meyer (Dizzy Flores), Denise Richards (Captain Carmen Ibanez), Seth Gilliam (Sugar Watkins), and Michael Ironside (Jean Rasczak) get back together on stage at New York Comic Con 2024 to talk about the beloved cult classic science fiction film.

[Anduin]

1 hour ago, tv echo said:

I didn't enjoy Starship Troopers, but apparently it was popular enough to warrant a reunion 27 years later. I have to say, though, the cast has aged really well...

Starship Troopers full cast reunion panel at NYCC 2024
Popverse   posted Nov 15, 2024

If you want a somewhat faithful adaptation of the book, go watch Aliens. If you want to see Verhoeven make fun of nazis, watch Starship Troopers. No, I've never seen the TV series, sequel, or games.

[Wiendish Fitch]

My Starship Troopers UO: Diz had it all over that vacuous Carmen. 

[Palimelon]

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My Starship Troopers UO: Diz had it all over that vacuous Carmen. 

Not as unpopular as you might think.

[Wiendish Fitch]

3 minutes ago, Palimelon said:

Not as unpopular as you might think.

Oh, that's good! 😃

[Palimelon]

To be honest, nothing against Denise Richards, but I wonder if Carmen might have worked a bit better had someone else played the role.

[Raja]

22 hours ago, Anduin said:

If you want a somewhat faithful adaptation of the book, go watch Aliens. If you want to see Verhoeven make fun of nazis, watch Starship Troopers. No, I've never seen the TV series, sequel, or games.

The animated Roughnecks: Starship Troopers Chronicles was the show many of the mil/SF fans were looking for. You had the mobile infantry and not the over the top pre WWI mob rushing towards the enemy.  Even if Verhoeven had executive producer credits in that case it was just a cash grab from the Heinlein estate as he probably had no way to stop the series. Being "for kids" his politics were stripped out

[Anduin]

1 hour ago, Raja said:

The animated Roughnecks: Starship Troopers Chronicles was the show many of the mil/SF fans were looking for. You had the mobile infantry and not the over the top pre WWI mob rushing towards the enemy.  Even if Verhoeven had executive producer credits in that case it was just a cash grab from the Heinlein estate as he probably had no way to stop the series. Being "for kids" his politics were stripped out

Interesting! Might be worth a watch. I like the satire we got, but there's certainly room for multiple interpretations.

[Wiendish Fitch]

6 hours ago, Palimelon said:

To be honest, nothing against Denise Richards, but I wonder if Carmen might have worked a bit better had someone else played the role.

She very likely would have.