NoWayOut February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 I guess it's too late to use the Lazarus Pit on Sara? It's going to take some to get used to seeing Caity Lotz as a new superhero so soon after Canary. Link to comment
Starfish35 February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 (edited) I don't even know what to say to that. Edited February 27, 2015 by Starfish35 1 Link to comment
Hook75 February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 Why can't they take Buckles Canary to the new show and bring us Sara back? Can Roy go with her? I fear they want Felicity on that new show. 2 Link to comment
Sakura12 February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 (edited) I guess it is real, Caity tweeted it too. Is Sara being Lazarus pitted? I'd watch if Nyssa went over to the spinoff with her. Being all excited to see Caity's name I didn't even notice that Robbie Amell is not listed. So it's a show with one half of Firestorm and a dead woman? Edited February 27, 2015 by Sakura12 4 Link to comment
Morrigan2575 February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 (edited) I guess it is real, Caity tweeted it too. Is Sara being Lazarus pitted? I'd watch if Nyssa went over to the spinoff with her. I'm massively hesitant to trust these idiots again but for Sara/Nyssa I might suck it up. Edited February 27, 2015 by Morrigan2575 1 Link to comment
kismet February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 How's that going to work? If the show is taking place in the same Flash/Arrow universe doesn't that mean Sara's death is already canon? Im going with some Flash time travel tinkering. Or maybe Sara never really came back?? The person we saw dead dead dead and dead was not really Sara but an imposter. I would hope for that because it would still keep the arrowverse grounded in reality sorta. I doubt theyd make her BC, but wasnt there other colored canaries? Im sure she can be reborn into another kickass hero/villian Link to comment
Starfish35 February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 Matt Mitovich also sounds slightly flabbergasted. http://tvline.com/2015/02/26/arrow-flash-team-up-spinoff-lotz-routh-wentworth-garber/ I just noticed - Victor Garber but not Robbie Amell? Link to comment
NumberCruncher February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 (edited) Hey, the new show is going to require a lot of extra TLC. If Guggenheim's attention is drawn towards the new spin-off maybe they'll be forced to bring someone else (hopefully more competent and less asshatty) in to manage the veteran show. I'm loving this news. Please happen! Edited February 27, 2015 by NumberCruncher 7 Link to comment
JenMD February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 From the media thread: If it's going to be a midseason like it says in the article, I would count on Ray hanging around Starling until January 2016. They could ship him off to The Flash instead, or have him bounce between both. There'd be no need for him to be full time on Arrow until the midseason started, he's not a regular now and I can't imagine they'd bother making him a regular just for part of S4. 3 Link to comment
Sakura12 February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 (edited) Maybe Caity can play Lady Blackhawk that just coincidentally looks like Sara. Because one article says this Also known: The project, Deadline says, would feature three “major” DC Comics characters that have never appeared on a TV series. (Live action presumably being the qualifier there. http://tvline.com/2015/02/26/arrow-flash-team-up-spinoff-lotz-routh-wentworth-garber/ Edited February 27, 2015 by Sakura12 Link to comment
Morrigan2575 February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 (edited) If it's going to be a midseason like it says in the article, I would count on Ray hanging around Starling until January 2016. Wouldn't he need to be filming the mid season replacement show around the same time as Arrow S4? They might start filming a bit later than Arrow but not that much Edited February 27, 2015 by Morrigan2575 1 Link to comment
strikera0 February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 I would be all for Nyssa joining this spin-off series if I can't have her as a series regular on Arrow. Link to comment
NoWayOut February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 Im going with some Flash time travel tinkering. Or maybe Sara never really came back?? The person we saw dead dead dead and dead was not really Sara but an imposter. I would hope for that because it would still keep the arrowverse grounded in reality sorta. I doubt theyd make her BC, but wasnt there other colored canaries? Im sure she can be reborn into another kickass hero/villian I'm going with Sara was somehow in Central City when the particle accelerator exploded and was cloned without her knowledge. Her clone is now a superhero herself. 2 Link to comment
Genki February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 Please, please, please make MG EP of the new spin-off. He is more interested in this type of thing and AK got the Oscars and Supergirl. It's his turn, anything to get him less focused on Arrow would be a positive for me at this point. Happy for CL and I hope it gets picked up so BR can be where he is not a total mismatch (I just want him, and his suit off, Arrow), I also hope they they do send him to The Flash more in S4 since the the higher ratings will help the spin-off. Depending on what they do with CL I might tune in 3 Link to comment
thuganomics85 February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 Interesting. Caity Lotz being in this spin-off sure is something. I can't see them trying to cast her as another character, so I have to think something will go down with Sara. If not the Lazarus Pit, I agree that it will probably involve The Flash somehow. Now, if they get Nyssa/Katrina Law in this and have her and Sara officially be a couple, then I would watch no matter how much they no doubt will try and shove Ray down my throat. I do wonder why the article only mentions Victor Garber and not Robbie Amell. Are they just waiting, or will they find a way to split them, and have Robbie stay over on The Flash with Caitlin. Link to comment
Sakura12 February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 Well I guess they got people to talk about ATOM, although most comments I see are about Caity/Sara. Link to comment
loki567 February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 Talk about mixed feelings. I love Caity Lotz and Sara, I'm totally willing to hand-wave a resurrection storyline. On the other hand, I wish desperately she was staying with Arrow and Katie Cassidy was moving over to the Superfriends show because I have zero interest in anything new these geniuses are producing. And it should say something that they feel like Caity Lotz is a safer bet to launch a show than Katie Cassidy. #youkilledthewrongsister It would be fantastic if Guggenheim left to run the new show as I traced most of Arrow's glaring flaws back to him. It does seem exactly like the show he'd want to run and he leaves, I think that's a pretty good indication what he actually thought about Green Arrow. Arrow desperately needs some new creative blood. 3 Link to comment
Lord Kira February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 (edited) Obviously the Sara that died was a shape-shifting White Martian! Anyway, I'm glad to have her back. Victor Garber and Wentworth Miller are also excellent additions. Brandon Routh? Well... hopefully since Mark G has nothing to do with the show they will manage to make him not be such a bore. Robbie Amell will probably be announced next. Now all we need is Katrina Law and Dominic Purcell to be cast. My ideal cast: Caity Lotz, Katrina Law, Wentworth Miller, Dominic Purcell, Victor Garber, Robbie Amell, and Paul Blackthorne. (And Brandon Routh since apparently he'll be in it anyway regardless.) For this show to be good some simple things need to happen: 1. Keep Mark G away from the show. 2. Keep Laurel away from the show. 3. Give Ray a personality instead of being a bore as well as a stalker. 4. Make it a true ensemble. As it is, of the announced cast only Wentworth Miller has the chops for the lead character. As I doubt the will make Captain Cold the lead, making it a true ensemble is the way to go to play to everyone's strengths. Arrow's problem was trying to make a show about one particular hero into an ensemble show. This new show won't have that problem. 5. Don't forget to have a sense of humor. The show can be serious, but don't make it bleak. I'm actually pretty excited for this. So, naturally, I fully expect them to announce Katie Cassidy next and kill my enthusiasm for it. Edited February 27, 2015 by Lord Kira 1 Link to comment
Trini February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 Logic fails. What, how, huh? Logic: "Yeah, neither of those other spin-off ideas/leading men [Firestorm/ATOM] are strong enough on their own, so let's put them together!" OR "We could have our own mini-Justice League on TV!" 1 Link to comment
lemotomato February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 Honestly, this spinoff announcement is the best "Arrow"-related news I've heard since before season 3 started. It gets Ray off "Arrow" and Caity Lotz gets to be badass on a weekly basis. I'm not saying I'm going to watch it, but maybe there's a chance "Arrow" can be salvaged if they refocus on Oliver Queen in season 4 while the EPs get the Justice League show they wanted all along. 7 Link to comment
InsertWordHere February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 I have no idea what's happening but I'm kind of excited about it. 2 Link to comment
jay741982 February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 Obviously the Sara that died was a shape-shifting White Martian! Anyway, I'm glad to have her back. Victor Garber and Wentworth Miller are also excellent additions. Brandon Routh? Well... hopefully since Mark G has nothing to do with the show they will manage to make him not be such a bore. Robbie Amell will probably be announced next. Now all we need is Katrina Law and Dominic Purcell to be cast. My ideal cast: Caity Lotz, Katrina Law, Wentworth Miller, Dominic Purcell, Victor Garber, Robbie Amell, and Paul Blackthorne. (And Brandon Routh since apparently he'll be in it anyway regardless.) For this show to be good some simple things need to happen: 1. Keep Mark G away from the show. 2. Keep Laurel away from the show. 3. Give Ray a personality instead of being a bore as well as a stalker. 4. Make it a true ensemble. As it is, of the announced cast only Wentworth Miller has the chops for the lead character. As I doubt the will make Captain Cold the lead, making it a true ensemble is the way to go to play to everyone's strengths. Arrow's problem was trying to make a show about one particular hero into an ensemble show. This new show won't have that problem. 5. Don't forget to have a sense of humor. The show can be serious, but don't make it bleak. I'm actually pretty excited for this. So, naturally, I fully expect them to announce Katie Cassidy next and kill my enthusiasm for it. I want Sara resurrected and on Arrow while Laurel can leave lol Link to comment
wingster55 February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 I'm a bit confused why Wentworth would be a part of the show being a villain and all Link to comment
Lord Kira February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 I'm happy for Caity. Is her inclusion do to the incredible fan response to the character and backlash to her death? The tone of her character is radically different than all of the others announced. I'm thinking maybe she wasn't originally supposed to be in there, and that she was supposed to stay dead so people would stop comparing her to Laurel. Or maybe that bringing her back, would erase the fact that she died just to advance Laurel's story and we would stop resenting Laurel if we got Sara back. Or maybe (I hope) Greg B and Andrew K are simply bigger fans of Sara than Laurel. After all, I remember many interviews where they admitted to having trouble with the character. Whereas Mark G just insists everything is fine and insults you for suggesting otherwise. I want Sara resurrected and on Arrow while Laurel can leave lol But Mark G would still be there and simply crap all over her character. I'd rather Sara not be in his hands. 1 Link to comment
SleepDeprived February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 Also known: The project, Deadline says, would feature three “major” DC Comics characters that have never appeared on a TV series. I'm going to guess that Green Lantern might be one of those 3 "major" characters. He's been teased enough times on Arrow to finally appear somewhere. Don't know how I feel about this news, though. It's really weird but I welcome any news that tells me that Palmer will be off Arrow next season. And, yay, Caity's coming back! 1 Link to comment
apinknightmare February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 I'm a bit confused why Wentworth would be a part of the show being a villain and all Well, a show about super heroes is going to need some villains. 1 Link to comment
Lord Kira February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 I'm a bit confused why Wentworth would be a part of the show being a villain and all Maybe he forms his own team of villains in response to the influx of heroes. 2 Link to comment
Carrie Ann February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 Well, a show about super heroes is going to need some villains. Plus he seemed the type that could end up in the frenemy category, given the right circumstances. 1 Link to comment
apinknightmare February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 I'm going to guess that Green Lantern might be one of those 3 "major" characters. He's been teased enough times on Arrow to finally appear somewhere. Maybe those are the "other plans" MG was talking about when he mentioned that Diggle wouldn't be Green Lantern because DC wanted to do something else with him. 3 Link to comment
strikera0 February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 If Caity's going to play a new character, maybe she could be Cheshire? As far as I know, Cheshire has never been featured in a live-action project and she's not part of the upcoming Teen Titans show, either. Link to comment
Sakura12 February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 (edited) They did say they were bringing in 3 new characters that have never been live actioned before. Which is why I'll be cool with Caity playing Lady Blackhawk. They can just mention that she looks like Sara and move on. Because if Sara was resurrected, they just gave away a huge spoiler with that announcement. They could've just waited to announce CL's casting in that show after Arrow ended. Edited February 27, 2015 by Sakura12 Link to comment
Lord Kira February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 (edited) I want her as Sara. Otherwise, whats the point? I think it would be hilarious if they spoiled Arrow with this announcement. I stopped watching the show a few weeks back when Oliver returned to Starling City. For much of the season it felt like the show was insulting my intelligence. With all of the criticism this season has gotten, maybe they announced the spin-off early to get some good press. Bring Paul Blackthorne in on this. Lance deserves better than what he has to put up with on Arrow, and this way he can be reunited with Sara. Edited February 27, 2015 by Lord Kira 2 Link to comment
calliope1975 February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 As others have said, this could be really good or really bad. I'd love to ship MG off, but who know's who we'd get in return. It does seem to indicate TIIC realize how bloated these shows are becoming but still doesn't account for the shitty plotting. I can see a flashpoint paradox event happening and this is the result. Kick all these folks off to an alternate reality. 1 Link to comment
Lord Kira February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 As others have said, this could be really good or really bad. I'd love to ship MG off, but who know's who we'd get in return. It does seem to indicate TIIC realize how bloated these shows are becoming but still doesn't account for the shitty plotting. I can see a flashpoint paradox event happening and this is the result. Kick all these folks off to an alternate reality. Yep, the writing is everything. A talented writer can work wonders with the lamest of plots. I can see Barry going back in time to save his mom and drastically changing reality. Then if and when he goes back in time again to fix his mistake the world he returns to is a little bit different. Sara never died, Raylicity never happened, etc. 8 Link to comment
Morrigan2575 February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 Logic: "Yeah, neither of those other spin-off ideas/leading men [Firestorm/ATOM] are strong enough on their own, so let's put them together!" OR "We could have our own mini-Justice League on TV!" lSorry I meant my logic, I just couldn't figure it out, not so much the ATOM/Firestorm stuff, I said a few pages back they'd have a better shot at a spin-off with both characters and given their setup Ray, Robbie and Martin could all work together. my mind was blown trying to figure out the CL/Sara aspect. Link to comment
quarks February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 I suspect Captain Cold is being brought on as the initial Big Bad. He's the one character that can easily be on all three shows - Barry's had issues with him, so he can challenge the superheroes on Flash and whatever this is, but he's a normal human, so he can challenge Arrow. And he was an immediately popular villain, so it's a win all around. I think if Ray is allowed to interact with the entire show, not just one character, and is allowed to have an actual romance, not just one meant to block Oliver/Felicity, he'll be fine. I haven't had any issues with Routh's acting, and Victor Garber is pretty good at making everyone around him look good. What I'm really wondering is how they're going to be handling crossovers between all three and potentially four shows. I know NBC did that years back for a sweeps night, but it was mostly just brief cameo appearances on comedy shows. 2 Link to comment
InsertWordHere February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 I can see Barry going back in time to save his mom and drastically changing reality. Then if and when he goes back in time again to fix his mistake the world he returns to is a little bit different. Sara never died, Raylicity never happened, etc. Maybe Ray's fiancee never died and Stein never merged with Ronnie. It would explain the lack of Robbie Amell. It would also reset parts of Arrow Season 3, which might not be a bad thing at this point. 2 Link to comment
calliope1975 February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 If they reset Arrow S3 to pull this off, I may forgive MG for every asshole comment he's ever made. And that would actually, truly be a gamechanging moment in TV. (I'm almost positive that won't happen.) I like the idea of Barry's time travel changing certain aspects of our current show reality, though. That's bold story telling. 7 Link to comment
Starfish35 February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 I don't know. I've been thinking about this for the last couple of hours, and I'm still so conflicted on how I feel about it. On the one hand, potential Sara return? I'm there for that. But I'm not so excited about the idea of her playing another character. I just don't know if I could get on board with that. Ray off Arrow? Another big plus. But if they keep Laurel around, that's kind of irrelevant since I won't be watching anyway. Captain Cold? I know I'm in the minority, but I'm not as enthused about this character as most people seem to be. And while I'm all for Victor Garber, I'm confused about the lack of Robbie Amell. Does that mean no Firestorm? I also wonder what it means for both currently running shows. A reset for Arrow would be welcomed in a lot of aspects - resetting Flash so early in its run seems risky. I will say, however, out of the vindictiveness of my heart.....if they bring Sara back as an alternate universe version of herself that has the real Canary Cry? I will laugh forever. 3 Link to comment
ban1o February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 (edited) The cast is so random and bizarre. Someone had an interesting theory about it being a mini series during the summer with like flashbacks and such. Edited February 27, 2015 by ban1o Link to comment
HighwayFlower February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 I will give any show with Caity Lotz a chance. I would love her to be Sara, but I'll take what I can get! 1 Link to comment
Starfish35 February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 (edited) Someone had an interesting theory about it being a mini series during the summer with like flashbacks and such. I've seen theories about that, or about it being some sort of anthology type series. Personally I would not be interested in that, but *shrug*. YMMV. Edited February 27, 2015 by Starfish35 Link to comment
ban1o February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 It doesn't really make sense to have Victor Garber and not Robbie Amell. And Caity Lotz really makes no sense. They wouldn't really cast her as someone who isn't Sara, would they? But Sara is dead and they wouldn't spoil a possible Sara resurrection like that. I think it will be an anthology series during the summer. Link to comment
formerlyfreedom February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 Hey, guys! Remember our No New Topics guideline? Well, we mods talked. NEW TOPIC! Please go here to discuss the possible spinoff from Arrow and The Flash. Link to comment
tv echo February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 (edited) I'm excited to see Haley in anything after Agent Carter. I'm just hoping Tony figures out a way to bring Peggy into the future for Steve so she can have a large part in the third Captain America movie. Hayley Atwell is playing Cinderella's mother in the upcoming Cinderella movie (directed by Kenneth Branagh). You can see her in the first few minutes of the movie trailer on youtube (she has blonde curly hair). Edited February 27, 2015 by tv echo 1 Link to comment
Starfish35 February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 Dean Cain and Helen Slater cast in Supergirl. http://tvline.com/2015/02/27/supergirl-cbs-helen-slater-dean-cain-tv-series-cast/ 4 Link to comment
tv echo February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 Yet another DC Comics character makes it to the small screen... Tom Ellis Cast as Fox’s ‘Lucifer’FEBRUARY 27, 2015 | 09:00AM PT Laura Prudomhttp://variety.com/2015/tv/news/lucifer-tom-ellis-cast-fox-pilot-1201442894/ 1 Link to comment
Morrigan2575 February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 Dean Cain and Helen Slater cast in Supergirl.http://tvline.com/2015/02/27/supergirl-cbs-helen-slater-dean-cain-tv-series-cast/ wow, former Superman and former Supergirl, that's hysterical. Although, casting Dean Cain in anything does not bode well for this show. Link to comment
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