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Mind Your Surroundings: Arrow, The Flash, Supergirl, Legends of Tomorrow and Other Superhero Universes


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Here's a PaleyFest panel recap...
PaleyFest: Arrow, Flash, Supergirl and Legends of Tomorrow Panel
Albert Ching   Mar. 18, 2017
http://www.cbr.com/arrow-flash-supergirl-legends-of-tomorrow-panel-paleyfest/

And here's spoilers from producer/cast interviews just before the PaleyFest panel...
PaleyFest 2017: 'Arrowverse' Cast and Producers Tease What's to Come
Marisa Roffman March 19, 2017 1:50 am
https://www.tvinsider.com/141127/paleyfest-2017-arrowverse-cast-and-producers-tease-whats-to-come/

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MG confirmed what the paps already told us, KC/LL is only in one scene for the LoT finale. I'm going to assume their other information (vision sequence) is also correct.

Going by what CL and MG said, I'm guessing this is Sara getting closure.

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Another detailed and spoilery recap of the PaleyFest panel...
37 Things We Learned at The CW's Superhero-Packed PaleyFest Panel: There's Another Crossover Coming!
by Meredith B. Kile 10:30 PM PDT, March 18, 2017
http://www.etonline.com/tv/213263_arrow_the_flash_supergirl_legends_of_tomorrow_paleyfest_panel/

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9. However, he’s still not over Barry Allen erasing his daughter. As Grant Gustin opened up about his character’s struggle to deal with the consequences of the Flashpoint timeline, Ramsey made sure to remind him that one of those consequences was a wrinkle that replaced Diggle’s little girl, Sara, with a son.
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10. There may be a light at the end of the tunnel for Olicity fans. Amell answered a question from a young fan about Oliver and Felicity’s (Emily Bett Rickards) currently-estranged relationship, teasing, “That’s not really up to me, but I will say that they have some really, really cool stuff coming up.”
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15. The Flash/Supergirl musical crossover was sort of inspired by Joss Whedon. Kreisberg got an applause break at the mention of the upcoming “gimmick episode” -- meant in the most flattering way possible -- saying Whedon “did those kind of episodes the best.” (Buffy the Vampire Slayer featured a musical event of its own, as well as a famously silent season four episode, “Hush.”)

16. One of those Whedon influences was the motivation to forward the characters’ season-long plots within the fun escapism of the musical. “We kind of set it up so that, on both Supergirl and The Flash, Barry and Kara were both at a romantic crossroads,” Kreisberg explained. “So when you go into the musical episode, they’re sort of both in the same place, and they can go on this journey together to either get back the love that they think they’ve lost or not.”
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29. The youngest DC show is something of a red-headed stepchild. Flash is a family drama, and Arrow is kind of a crime drama, and Legends is insanity,” Kreisberg listed with a laugh, though Legends executive producer Phil Klemmer insisted, “We never set out to blow anyone’s mind.”

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FYI: Episode synopsis for LoT's season finale (217)...

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“Aruba” — (8:00-9:00 p.m. ET) (Content Rating TBD) (HDTV) SEASON FINALE — As the Legends are about to take off for their next destination, a massive timequake rocks the ship. In order to try and fix what has happened, they are forced to break the one cardinal rule of time travel. But if they are able to destroy the spear, they will face the ultimate consequence. Victor Garber, Brandon Routh, Arthur Darvill, Caity Lotz, Dominic Purcell, Franz Drameh, Nick Zano and Maisie Richardson-Sellers. Rob Seidenglanz directed the episode written by Phil Klemmer & Marc Guggenheim (#217). Original airdate 4/4/2017.”

http://www.cbr.com/legends-of-tomorrow-season-finale-synopsis/

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A part of me just died from embarrassment. I'm so sorry. It could end up being amazing but I can't! 

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Omg Barry is going to tap dance! haha I love cheesy musicals so I'm really excited to see this!

Anyone got anymore info about Felicity on LoT? Is it definitely her? I hope it's more than a 30 sec appearance. Trying to temper my excitement since these appearances tend to be really short.

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1 hour ago, Angel12d said:

A part of me just died from embarrassment. I'm so sorry. It could end up being amazing but I can't! 

Dito... It doesn't look awesome but who know maybe they just pick a dumb clip. 

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8 hours ago, Midnight Lullaby said:

I think it was after MG's joke. Here's a video of that moment..

I just saw this on Twitter and wondered if it had been posted. Stephen did not look amused at all. He looked pissed. 

Also Grant and Melissa don't start laughing too hard yet- your demo numbers are next. 

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Oh Lord, Grant and Melissa are the only ones actually laughing (and even that seemed like "Oh my God seriously?!?!" kind of laugh), everyone all looks awkward and uncomfortable. Stephen just looks pissed off, and I don't blame him. It might have been a joke, but it was a really dickish joke. Its not the actors fault you keep giving them shitty stories to work with MG!

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4 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

Stephen just looks pissed off, and I don't blame him. It might have been a joke, but it was a really dickish joke. Its not the actors fault you keep giving them shitty stories to work with MG!

Wow, how utterly disrespectful to the cast and crew of the show. The only charitable read to that comment is if there really is story interference coming from above MG and it's out of his control. But geez. People are only hanging on because of the actors at this point, they all deserve never ending Big Gulps. 

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I just want to praise DR for the great acting job he did to laugh at MGs super crass and disrespetful remark.  SA never did have that kind of poker face.  It can't be easy being the reason for these other shows existing on TV and then being treated like that.

8 hours ago, calliope1975 said:

One other Flash moment I remembered - when AK said there wouldn't be a speedster villain next year, the audience cheered, and the EPs looked super surprised. Like, how do they not get that doing the same thing over and over again is boring for the audience?

I can understand not wanting to be influenced by audience demands, which they really shouldn't have given in to this season, but to be so clueless about how the stories that you write are being received by your audience... smh.

 

3 hours ago, Angel12d said:

A part of me just died from embarrassment. I'm so sorry. It could end up being amazing but I can't! 

To whoever wrote the music -- sorry, but you're no Irving Berlin or Cole Porter.  And as charming as GG and MB are, they're no Astaire and Rogers.

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Like I do think Marc probably was just trying to be funny but the joke just landed wrong and came off like a public shaming rather then a jovial jab because it's probably something the cast don't feel great about and don't need reminding of in front the two new shiny toys laughing their heads off.

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6 minutes ago, LeighAn said:

Like I do think Marc probably was just trying to be funny but the joke just landed wrong and came off like a public shaming rather then a jovial jab because it's probably something the cast don't feel great about and don't need reminding of in front the two new shiny toys laughing their heads off.

Not to mention a room full of fans

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9 minutes ago, Mellowyellow said:

Aren't SG and Flash ratings down too? I was sure at least that Flash ratings are down. 

Yes they are. So they really shouldn't be laughing either or acting superior. They fell faster also.

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6 minutes ago, Mellowyellow said:

Aren't SG and Flash ratings down too? I was sure at least that Flash ratings are down. 

Yep and I don't know for sure but isn't Flash and Supergirls audience bleed or percentage loss greater then Arrows at the same point? 

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43 minutes ago, LeighAn said:

Yep and I don't know for sure but isn't Flash and Supergirls audience bleed or percentage loss greater then Arrows at the same point? 

Supergirl dropped 55% from its ratings last year, but it's not a fair comparison because it was on a much bigger network. Flash dropped 22% from last season, while Arrow's ratings actually improved in season 3 compared to season 2 (+11%). But that's also a dodgy comparison because Arrow benefited from the first crossover event with Flash that season.

If you just look at the ratings themselves, Arrow season 3 (1.02 demo, 2.76 mil) did about the same as Flash season 3 (1.09 demo, 2.91 mil viewers), and Arrow season 2 (0.92 demo, 2.62mil viewers) did much better than Supergirl season 2 (0.79 demo, 2.54 mil viewers) so far.

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I think he just meant it as a joke (hopefully), but it ended up hitting a wrong note. Stephen seems to smile initially, but then when the camera swings back it's gone. The laughter in the vid in general seems more like shocked laughter to me especially since it changes once it really lands, like Grant's face (or maybe I'm just projecting since in public settings my first reaction is sometimes also nervous laughter especially when the pressure is high to keep the atmosphere in the room light and pleasant. And then afterward I'm like, why?).

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57 minutes ago, LeighAn said:

Like I do think Marc probably was just trying to be funny but the joke just landed wrong and came off like a public shaming rather then a jovial jab because it's probably something the cast don't feel great about and don't need reminding of in front the two new shiny toys laughing their heads off.

I can't tell if he says "we" or "you" because if he says "we" then fine if was a self deprecating joke that didn't land but if he says "you" then bad form dude. 

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18 hours ago, tv echo said:

DC/CW PANEL INTRODUCTION AT PALEYFEST 2017
Published on Mar 18, 2017, by prince mojo

 

DC / CW PANEL AT PALEYFEST 2017 QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE ARROW /THE FLASH/ SUPERGIRL
Published on Mar 18, 2017, by prince mojo

-- (At around 12:55 mark) Little girl fan said that she's been watching Arrow with her entire family for the past five months and just started watching The Flash, but she had a question for Arrow (audience laughed and GG had visible reaction), and she then asked: "Will Felicity and Oliver be together?"  In response, SA said: "That's - that's really not up to me. Um, but I will say that they have some really, really cool stuff coming up." (Visible, positive audience reaction)

DCTV/Arrowverse Paleyfest 2017 Panel - The Flash, Supergirl, Arrow, Legends of Tomorrow
Published on Mar 19, 2017, by TheDCTVshow

-- (At around 7:38 mark) Moderator Kevin Smith commented on how Diggle is so serious on Arrow, but then when he crosses over, he gets the funny lines. In response, DR said: "You know, every time I get to go to The Flash, I get to have so much fun... You know, John Diggle was kinda funny the first season, like, all these one-liners. And every time Oliver says something, I would say, 'No' (makes deadpan facial expression) ... so there was some levity there. But, you know, I think, after when - probably when Felicity came, it kinda changed things, it really lightened the show up. But every time I go to The Flash, John Diggle needs to be lighter... It's actually a lighter atmosphere with Flash... There's bright light... Everybody's smiling, everybody's happy... And we're literally separated by a wall... By the way, they have cans of soda on their show. We don't...." (This was when MG interjected something about how if Arrow got 1.0 ratings - and then there was visible cast/audience reaction.)

The last video here also has the MG moment in it (he drops his bomb at the 9:23 mark).  It's (at least for me) a bit less blurry and the camera part of the time is on different faces.  You can see better that MB and GG were doing the shocked laughing.  I think though my favorite part is the look that stays on CP's face and is still there even after the rest have got it under control and KS starts talking.  

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Audrey Hepburn sang it better...

Kara Croons in Supergirl/Flash Musical Crossover Clip
March 19, 2017; 6:10 p.m.
http://www.vulture.com/2017/03/supergirl-flash-musical-crossover-video.html?mid=twitter_vulture

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The Flash and Supergirl share DNA insofar as they’re both part of the same superhero family on the CW, but they also, in a way, share a parent: Glee. Grant Gustin and Melissa Benoist — the titular heroes of each respective show — are both alumni of Ryan Murphy’s musical bildungsroman, and they get to remind us of it once more this week. The two series are crossing over for a musical two-parter in which each star will get to belt and lilt, and we have an exclusive clip of a scene in which we find Supergirl herself, Kara Danvers, singing the timeless “Moon River.” Watch, listen, and melt.

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The singing clips I've seen haven't impressed me. The EPs talked up their vocals so much that every new preview I'm left scratching my head (But I did look up GG/Glee and didn't think he was good there either). Now I know Jessie and John will be great, and maybe Carlos too.

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1 minute ago, Chaser said:

Moon River is my favorite song and that is not a good cover by MB.

Analyze her facial expressions.  I'm betting that the context of this scene is that Barry and Kara have just awakened in the Music Meister's dream world.  Both of them have rather confused looks on their faces that to me say that their thoughts are "Where the hell am I, what the hell is going on, and what the hell am I doing?"  Given that emotional/mental state, it's no wonder that Kara's rendition of "Moon River" is somewhat less than stellar (also bear in mind that this dream world is set in the 40s, and "Moon River" wasn't even written until 1961).

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I still wanna know why there's only one woman signing and a bunch of dudes? Why couldn't they have given Candice a song? I mean, were they fearful that she may be a better singer, and outshine Kara & Barry? If I recall correctly CP said she'd love to sing when this was announced, and yet she isn't singing while they made sure to accommodate Barrowman. One of the few reasons I hate this show. 

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I've watched the scene, I get it. Vocally it wasn't there IMO.

CL has a decent singing voice too. It would have nice to have her and CP be apart of the musical portion.

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LOL I'm gonna have to disagree on CL singing, I've seen her girl band videos. But they could have had Candice sing and maybe Jesse (instead of sending her away so fast), I know DP said she did not want to sing. All these dudes singing and Supergirl just don't interest me. I don't watch SG and I barely watch Flash, I'm only still around for Iris and Cisco tbh.

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My mistake LOL. You're absolutely right, she should have been included.

I don't watch SG so my mind automatically thinks of Caity when I see CL.

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Huh. I thought Fred Astaire was famous for his talent with dancing, not singing.

Anyhoo, I, for one, can't wait until tomorrow because hearing Grant sing two bars from Grease's "Summer Lovin'" wasn't enough, and I've been clamoring to hear him sing for over two seasons now. I really like the sound of his singing voice, so I'm sure I won't be disappointed. I was hoping to get some singing when Barry ended up on Kara's Earth last season, but was deprived then, too.

So I don't mind sitting at my table of one, eagerly anticipating Tuesday's Flash.

And if it makes me an unfeminist because I'm not up all in arms over the other actresses from the other shows not appearing or singing, so be it.

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That famous line about Fred Astaire that is the evaluation of his first screen test: "Can't act. Can't sing. Balding. Can dance a little."

Actually he had a pleasant singing voice that didn't require autotune.

I still have nightmares about Peter Bogdanovich's At Long Last Love which ruined those great songs for me and I got flashbacks to that from the clips of The Flash episode.  But mostly I'm bored with Flash and Supergirl spending so much time on male characters I don't care about and the break-up was so stupid just to get Barry single for this episode. so while I'd like to see Barrowman's piece, right now I think I'll just catch the clip later.

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That actually sound like really smart business. He's never done a con before and Felton has the Draco clout. If GG had been doinb cons steadily, I'd doubt whether he'd manage to put butts in chairs. This way, I can totally picture it. Fans have been waiting for a good while.

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1 hour ago, ruby24 said:

Nice. He chooses the most expensive con in history to be his first. Has anyone seen the prices for this? No one can afford that!

it seems like everyone is average but his is twice the price...I didn't know Grant is that huge but I guess since he's only ever done one con time to make up for all the other missed cons I guess

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