Mind Your Surroundings: Arrow, The Flash, Supergirl, Legends of Tomorrow and Other Superhero Universes

[kismet]

On 11/27/2016 at 2:17 AM, BkWurm1 said:

That's really interesting.  Now I want to hear his reasons for hating The Flash (and of course any comments on Arrow).

He hates Barry. Also too many basic & repetitive plots, also BA never really saves the day or needs to save the day. No big reasons on Arrow, just not his thing.

[kismet]

On 11/28/2016 at 2:07 PM, calliope1975 said:

Plus, all the good fanfic has been decreasing or WIP have been abandoned. It makes me so sad. I'm reading stuff that normally I would nope out on within the first paragraph, but now I'm desperate.  

I'm the opposite, I've stopped reading whatever updates have happened over the past few months, nevermind any new works. Im losing interest in almost everything connected to Arrow.  My apathy is becoming rather aggressive and invasive.

And to keep with the topic of this forum. I've missed every part of the crossover so far and have No Regrets. I'm not even sure I would mind if the Dominators won. Although I will be greatly disappointed when it turns out the Dominators are not just some cool Doo-Wop or early R&B/Rock group having a DC wide dance party. I will tune in for the musical episodes whenever they air, even if I've abandoned every other part of the Flarrowverse.

Edited November 30, 2016 by kismet

[tv echo]

The Flash crossover episode felt flat in places. While I liked seeing the different characters from the various DCTV shows all meet each other (their small interactions were my favorite part), the rest of the episode was just 'meh' to me.

I also found the Dominators to be kinda... silly. Every time the aliens appeared on screen, I laughed.

I doubt Oliver would've been so supportive of Barry if Flashpoint had resulted in Thea being dead. 

Oliver runs out of arrows and is defenseless. At that point, either Diggle or Thea could've shot him with a gun/arrow, but no, they have Sara go in to fight Oliver hand-to-hand.

Edited November 30, 2016 by tv echo

[tarotx]

9 minutes ago, tv echo said:

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I also found the Dominators to be kinda... silly. Every time the aliens appeared on screen, I laughed.

I doubt Oliver would've been so supportive of Barry if Flashpoint had resulted in Thea being dead. 

Oliver runs out of arrows and is defenseless. At that point, either Diggle or Thea could've shot him with a gun/arrow, but no, they have Sara go in to fight Oliver hand-to-hand.

 

It's because they wanted that Green Arrow/Canary dynamic. Plus it was the "leader' of the 4 shows fighting each other. The villains were ok looking to me but then again I know how bad Cgi can end up looking so I was happy how they turned out.

I'm still unamused with Barry but all the anger at him wasn't fun. Though I still wish they would have taken Joe away from Barry. That way the only thing Barry accomplished with Flashpoint was losing his other father. And they didn't have to kill Joe since he's Iris's dad.  I do kind of know how people felt about watching Felicity in season 3 since I just want Cisco to go back to being his fun self >.< Though to be fair I don't think Felicity was ever just that type of character since she always called Oliver out. 

[Chaser]

It just occurred to me that Curtis wasn't in the episode.

I found that surprising.

[Morrigan2575]

31 minutes ago, Chaser said:

It just occurred to me that Curtis wasn't in the episode.

I found that surprising. It seemed clear that the noobs were only in the Arrow

Interesting. I thought it was obvious that the noobs were only in the Arrow episode, same as Iris, Joe and Harrison were only in Flash. We also have the 2 noobs on LoT only in the LoT episode.

Edited November 30, 2016 by Morrigan2575

[Chaser]

I knew that, but I guess at the same time I figured Curtis would be an expectation because he is like a special snowflake.

[Morrigan2575]

Ah, yeah I first thought maybe Curtis would be in it but, as we got more information it seemed to shake out that only the usual suspects got to appear in multiple episodes. 

What has me really curious is if Caitlin makes it into Arrow or LoT. She wasn't on the Flash poster which makes me curious to see if she's only in Flash. I don't think Thea makes it to LoT either. It seems like the only characters in all 3 episodes are Barry, Cisco, Diggle, Kara, Felicity, Oliver, Sara and Ray.

I'm iffy on Stein/Firestorm and Heatwave. They made the LoT poster which would indicate 3 episodes but we haven't gotten any hints about them in Arrow.

Edited November 30, 2016 by Morrigan2575

[Delphi]

So I've watched bits and pieces of the crossover, it was okay.   I honestly think my favourite part was Thea mentioning how braggy the team calling themselves Legends is.   

[scarynikki12]

I'm enjoying the crossover generally, even with my pouting about no J'onn or Alex joining Kara (one day!), but the little moments that show awareness on the part of the director/showrunner/whoever are my favorite. Alex going for the hard liquor behind Kara's back after the beer was confiscated, Sara giving Felicity a one armed hug of greeting, the amused looks by everyone when Barry and Oliver played Cyrano, and Diggle at maximum Diggle were so much fun. The Sara vs Oliver fight was also awesome and I always forget how much I enjoy their scenes together. I wouldn't object if they bring an evil version of Oliver to LOT for a one off just so they can fight some more.

[yellowfred]

Yeah, I kind of get the feeling that Thea was only in the Flash episode so that she could be abducted, so I won't be surprised if she gets left out of the Legends part.  Also, since Caitlin didn't even have a big role in the leg of the crossover where she had home field advantage, I doubt they're gonna be looking for a way to fit her in on any of the other parts. 

[Starfish35]

Final ratings are running behind due to Thanksgiving last week, but Monday's are out now.  Supergirl held at 1.1, with a slight increase in total viewers.

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-monday-cable-originals-network-finals-11-28-2016.html

[insomniadreams88]

They'll probably say Caitlin's sitting out because she's worried about her powers. Never mind that she could help in other ways. Or she's babysitting HR to make sure he doesn't open up STAR Labs with that crazy tour idea while everyone's fighting aliens. 

Considering how fast they had Thea decide to suit up again (because aliens!), they'll probably have her decide that she doesn't want to be Speedy again, just in time for the LoT episode, maybe because they don't want her suiting up again on Arrow right now. 

[tv echo]

Flash 308 scenes that included Felicity, even when she had minimal or no lines (vids courtesy of Juan Vallejo Z)...

 

 

 

 

 

[Starfish35]

From Lord Mesa:

One of my favorite scenes from last night.  Poor Dig. :)

[Thundercatmary]

Very cute and funny lol

[Trini]

3 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said:

Ah, yeah I first thought maybe Curtis would be in it but, as we got more information it seemed to shake out that only the usual suspects got to appear in multiple episodes. 

What has me really curious is if Caitlin makes it into Arrow or LoT. She wasn't on the Flash poster which makes me curious to see if she's only in Flash. I don't think Thea makes it to LoT either. It seems like the only characters in all 3 episodes are Barry, Cisco, Diggle, Kara, Felicity, Oliver, Sara and Ray.

I think there may be one more scene with all (most?) the characters at the end of Legends.

[JenMD]

Quick question - my sister and I are only watching the Arrow portion of the crossover, although I have been reading a bit about last night's Flash.  Is the gist of things - aliens have invaded and kidnapped Oliver, Sara, Diggle and Thea?  Do I need to tell her more than that or does that about cover it?  Many thanks.

[Chaser]

They kidnapped Ray too.

[JenMD]

Thanks, Chaser.   I thought I was forgetting something.

[BkWurm1]

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hea has apparently developed super speed because there wasn't time between Barry showing up and Thea's arrival to make a phone call much less for Thea to travel to the loft.

Also, why was Felicity out in the hallway of the apartment when last we saw her, she was inside the apartment. 

With Thea, I assumed she'd called and set up Thea dropping by earlier for after the mission and Thea just happened to show up at a lucky time, but that doesn't explain why Felicity would have thought Oliver and Diggle would have returned to the loft after the mission.  Did they move the whole scene to the loft just for the gag of Dig puking over the balcony?

[Morrigan2575]

I liked the Arrow episode better than the Flash. Arrow was a solid episode all round while I felt Flash had a bad first half.

I did find the tone during the Felicty and Friends scene to be a bit off. You'd think they wouldn't be as happy/peppy as they were.

[apinknightmare]

I liked the Arrow episode better in terms of it feeling like Arrow during a crossover - the crossover really seemed like an afterthought to me. I thought the non dream sequence scenes were off, and I agree that there was a weird lack of urgency and overall lightheartedness considering there was an alien abduction going on.

Edited December 1, 2016 by apinknightmare

[BkWurm1]

Felicity was off in the very beginning when she happily was introducing Cisco to everyone but then for the rest of the episode she was mostly serious and focused on the problem but the rest of them, especially Cisco and Curtis were way off in tone.  And Rene was an ass, even more so than usual.  Rory I liked.  :)  

[GirlvsTV]

I'm finding the alien stuff to be really poorly written (shocking, I know). I have no desire to see how it all ends on LOT tomorrow (spoiler alert - the good guys win). Half the time they move the plot along by having a character just suddenly realize something and exposition it out to everyone, like Kara knowing about the dominators on Flash. And then on Arrow they make the extremely obvious point that aliens would have tech that could be hacked into the entire B-plot of the episode, which really just felt like busy work for the other characters. All to get to an end point of someone realizing the ALIENS had the missing group on a SPACESHIP. I mean, I never would have guessed!

Edited December 1, 2016 by GirlvsTV

[Starfish35]

From what I'm reading, it sounds like I could really just skip tonight's episode and not miss anything important for the crossover, Y/N?

[popgoesculture]

1 hour ago, Starfish35 said:

From what I'm reading, it sounds like I could really just skip tonight's episode and not miss anything important for the crossover, Y/N?

Pretty much. All you need to know is that the aliens are set to invade the planet. That's it.

I think a more compelling version of the shared hallucination would've been if all the key Arrow cast was involved: Digg, Thea, Felicity, and Oliver. I could easily see a shared dream world where Tommy and Laurel are happily married and alive, Felicity and Oliver are about to get hitched, Digg has Lyla and Baby Sara and John Jr., Thea has her parents alive and Roy as a friend/presence in her life. . But I would've loved to see them all so invested in this dream world and unaware of the artifice/ignoring the cracks that it takes some of the Legends like Sara and Ray, and maybe even Barry and Cisco, to enter in and break it apart, convince them that going back to the real world is worth it.  I could see Quentin either as one of those in the dream world (since he is a key cast member regardless of what the show says) or one trying to help the others (and the idea of him and Sara trying to convince everyone to leave a world where Laurel is alive...).You could even incorporate the newbies if you had to. 

I just think it would've been a tighter story without the two disparate and jarring story lines in tonight's ep. 

[BkWurm1]

2 hours ago, Starfish35 said:

From what I'm reading, it sounds like I could really just skip tonight's episode and not miss anything important for the crossover, Y/N?

You'd miss some a few nice moments with Sara but that's about it.  Ray was there too but really didn't do anything.  The aliens stuck them in the dream machine to keep them distracted while they probed their minds for some reason. Then they escaped in a alien ship on autopilot and then Nate in the Waverider tractor beamed them up after the "Geek Squad" told him were to find them.  And the Dominators have a weapon that is almost ready.  And they have a really big ship with lots of little ships. To be Continued!!

20 minutes ago, popgoesculture said:

Pretty much. All you need to know is that the aliens are set to invade the planet. That's it.

I think a more compelling version of the shared hallucination would've been if all the key Arrow cast was involved: Digg, Thea, Felicity, and Oliver. I could easily see a shared dream world where Tommy and Laurel are happily married and alive, Felicity and Oliver are about to get hitched, Digg has Lyla and Baby Sara and John Jr., Thea has her parents alive and Roy as a friend/presence in her life. . But I would've loved to see them all so invested in this dream world and unaware of the artifice/ignoring the cracks that it takes some of the Legends like Sara and Ray, and maybe even Barry and Cisco, to enter in and break it apart, convince them that going back to the real world is worth it.  I could see Quentin either as one of those in the dream world (since he is a key cast member regardless of what the show says) or one trying to help the others (and the idea of him and Sara trying to convince everyone to leave a world where Laurel is alive...).You could even incorporate the newbies if you had to. 

I just think it would've been a tighter story without the two disparate and jarring story lines in tonight's ep. 

I agree but I think the show wasn't ready to deal with the emotional fallout of that.  

[looptab]

4 hours ago, BkWurm1 said:

  Rory I liked.  :)  

Rory is my favorite puppy and can stay forever.

Also, I think they cut down on the other crossover characters because of budget,  since they needed the other guest stars for the 100th. But maybe I'm off. :)

[Mellowyellow]

23 hours ago, BkWurm1 said:

Felicity had one in her hand and Mick was actually eating his, lol.  I wonder if Ray packed lunch again.  

Ok I rewatched that bit. 

Seems like Thea and Iris also held sandwiches at some point in that scene!

Ray definitely packed lunch! 

[bijoux]

So it's Heatwave, Vixen and Nick Zano that Felicity and Cisco save after they leave "the geeks" on the ship and then get caught if I'm putting this together right. Awesome. :)

Edited December 1, 2016 by bijoux

[Mellowyellow]

Haha yes and Felicity does it in heels too! 

[Velocity23]

Arrow scored similar HH numbers as Supergirl

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ABC – “The Goldbergs”: 3.9/ 6 (#4)
CBS – “Survivor”: 5.4/ 9 (#1)
NBC – “Christmas in Rockefeller Center”: 6.5/11 (#1)
Fox – “Lethal Weapon”: 4.2/ 7 (#3)
CW – “Arrow” (100th episode): 2.6/ 4 (#5)

8:30 p.m.
ABC – “Speechless”: 3.3/ 5 (#4)
CBS – “Survivor”: 5.3/ 8 (#1)
NBC – “Christmas in Rockefeller Center”: 6.9/11 (#1)
Fox – “Lethal Weapon”: 4.6/ 7 (#3)
CW – “Arrow” (100th episode): 2.6/ 4 (#5)

http://programminginsider.com/network/clean-wednesday-overnight-sweep-nbc-2/

[Morrigan2575]

Flash held in demo 1.5 / 4.15 million

 

[Velocity23]

Arrow got a 1.3 and 3.52 mil viewers

[Morrigan2575]

Good job Arrow, I know it's the crossover effect but Arrow got a nice boost.

So far its Flash, Arrow, Supergirl. Although there's a good possibility that LoT could score better ratings than Supergirl.

[Starfish35]

0.2 jump for Supergirl, 0.4 jump for Flash, 0.6 jump for Arrow.  What will LoT do?  Will more people tune in because it's the last part, or did last night's Arrow (I've seen many comments that it had very little to do with the crossover) turn people away?  

[Velocity23]

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The CW and Ford have signed the first Twitter Amplify upfront deal, guaranteeing ads on selected videos in CW Twitter accounts.

It marks one of the largest video ad deals for Twitter, at a time when brands are seeking social media video opportunities.

With more people watching content on different devices and looking for second-screen experiences, advertisers want to get in front of the social media audience. Twitter is one of the only social media networks that currently allows ads on its videos, and its Twitter Amplify program lets brands run their ads on specific content categories.

"Video right now is our number one ad product," said Mike Park, director of content partnerships and the Twitter Amplify program at Twitter. "The best part about Twitter Amplify in terms of video is we're the only social pre-roll [before the content] product out there."

Starting on Tuesday, CW will create social media videos such as weekly recaps, highlights told through fan tweets and sneak peeks for its five most tweeted shows, "Supergirl," "The Flash," "Arrow," "DC's Legends of Tomorrow" and "Supernatural." Ford advertising will appear on the videos, which will be posted in official CW Twitter accounts. Then Twitter will promote the videos in front of targeted Twitter users based on its data.

Its already in effect since the season started.

Twitter gets upfront advertising deal with CW and Ford

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/04/twitter-amplify-gets-upfront-advertising-deal-with-cw-and-ford.html

Edited December 1, 2016 by Velocity23

[GirlvsTV]

It will be interesting to see if they hold on to a significant number of those viewers next week. Was there anything terribly compelling about the current Arrow side to bring more eyeballs next week? I'm really not sure since most of that included the newbies and a lot of Wild Dong, who doesn't seem to be very well received. 

ETA - I wonder if that deal means the network is even more concerned / put-out by Arrow not trending or having the same level of social media buzz as in past years? Does Flash have a big social media presence? Do they trend consistently the way Arrow used to?

Edited December 1, 2016 by GirlvsTV

[Morrigan2575]

10 minutes ago, Starfish35 said:

0.2 jump for Supergirl, 0.4 jump for Flash, 0.6 jump for Arrow.  What will LoT do?  Will more people tune in because it's the last part, or did last night's Arrow (I've seen many comments that it had very little to do with the crossover) turn people away?  

It's a good question. I think the middle episode/movie in a trilogy seems to get the most benefit. It'll be interesting to see where LoT ends up. My gut is saying 1.1–1.2 either tied with Supergirl or slightly above.

[TwistedandBored]

So, does that Twitter deal mean they need the Olicity fandom now? 

[tv echo]

I'm actually looking forward to watching tonight's LoT episode - and that's not something I would say every week.

[GirlvsTV]

Is Ford paying the CW to put their ad on the CW's videos and then the CW is paying Twitter for the promoted video tweets? Meaning Twitter gets paid from the CW when someone engages with the tweet (like, rt, link click, video play) and/or by impressions. Just trying to figure out which side actually gets hurt revenue-wise if the social media buzz is lacking or less than anticipated.

[Velocity23]

https://twitter.com/TheCW_Legends/status/804384593813979136

Producer preview

 

Best part is Felicity and Cisco quoting Ciaras 1,2 step!

[Morrigan2575]

I do find Felicity/Cisco adorable. Looks like Cisco/Felicity go with Heatwave/Vixen and other guy to the past to kidnap a Dominator and Cisco/Felicity end up rescuing the Legends? I'm totally cool with that. Although it now pisses me off that Cisco and Felicity aren't given the hero treatment while Vixen, Heatwave and New Guy get rewarded.

Edited December 1, 2016 by Morrigan2575

[Velocity23]

Oliver made Kara angry apparently

[Sakura12]

I love that everyone gets to react to the Waverider. It's interesting that the 2016 crew had better reactions than the JSA from 1942. Although they were all a bunch of downers. At least Thea, Diggle, Felicity and Cisco are impressed. 

I know you meant in general. But Mick rarely gives anyone credit so him even saying it is him recognizing them. 

From the other sneak peek if anyone can make Kara snap it would be Oliver. 

[Starfish35]

7 minutes ago, Velocity23 said:

Oliver made Kara angry apparently

What happened?  I can't watch it where I am right now.

[Sakura12]

Just now, Starfish35 said:

What happened?  I can't watch it where I am right now.

We don't know what happened. All we had was Barry asking Oliver what he said to Kara, he's never seen her angry before and didn't think she could get angry. 

[Starfish35]

Just now, Sakura12 said:

We don't know what happened. All we had was Barry asking Oliver what he said to Kara, he's never seen her angry before and didn't think she could get angry. 

Thanks.