GH History Lessons: Because History is Always Repeating Itself

[dubbel zout]

I think the Laura stuff became more an obsession and more about his rivalry with Luke.

 

Definitely. Everyone knew it, so it totally baffled me why Laura would marry Scott this last time, only to get divorced a second later (which made the marriage even dumber).

 

"Blaze!" That was Luke's name for her. God, shut up, Luke.

Luke/TG really knows how to grind down a nickname. The ones he uses for Tracy are just as irritating.

[magnolia11]

I've never been all that crazy about Skye in the past (even on AMC).  However, when she decked Carly last time she visited, it was so glorious that I decided she has an open invitation to return anytime if she would do that regularly.

[jsbt]

I thought Laura's return in 2008 was actually mostly quite good - she was a lot stronger, a lot tougher than before. She handled Tracy with grace and ease. She wasn't able to shut down the Guza-era take on Luke and Tracy too much, but in her own classy way she invalidated it with a very simple few remarks (and Tracy's private reaction, after Laura left the Q mansion, said it all). Which is why I was baffled, after all that, when she sort of blithely shrugged off "Scotty's" antics both then and again when she returned last year. They've been having Laura do that for years now - 'oh, Scotty!' I love Kin and Scott in the right story, but she should never have gone near him again, they're both terrible for each other as anything but friends. But RC insisted on reviving a pointless Scott/Laura/Luke triangle for nothing, which went nowhere when Genie refused to play ball without a real contract.

 

For me history wouldn't have mattered with Skye - I just thought it was so obnoxious how they had her hustle in, immediately be declared a Q, and then swear "vendettas" against strangers she barely knew and start talking with the Q's like she'd known them all for years. "Oh, Grandfather!" Shut up, Skye. I did really enjoy her return in 2012, and I do think she had a lot more chemistry with Jax later on than in their initial romance which I found very forced.

Edited August 27, 2014 by jsbt

[yowsah1]

I do think that the story, at least at the outset, was intended to be tied up in a bow, with Tony begin the "out of nowhere" attacker.

 

I remember seeing that storyline and being flummoxed that Tony wasn't Liz's rapist.  The whole way they set up the episode pointed to him as the one that did it - they kept cross-cutting scenes of his breakdown with scenes of poor dumped Liz ending up by herself in the park.  The last scene with Tony in that specific episode made a point of showing that he was heading into the park where she was, then a couple scenes later she was shown getting grabbed and dragged into the bushes by someone wearing gloves like Tony was.  I thought sure Liz's rapist was going to be revealed to be Tony.  Then the whole storyline just kind meandered off into nothing, and there was this stupid blink-of-an-eye Scooby-Doo resolution where Random Photographer Guy turned out to be the rapist.  It was such a disappointing end to a story that had started out so strongly.

 

Luke was running around town, like Chicken Little, yelling "Stefan is evil! Stefan is evil!" and, as a preemptive strike, Luke would do stupid things like bug Stefan's house, lie to Laura, taunt Nikolas, and cheer on when Lucky accidently seriously injured Nikolas. It was dark for Luke, but, IMHO, it was in character.

 

The scene I remember most vividly as the one that turned things around between Luke and Nikolas was when Nik got shot in the throat outside of Luke's bar, and Luke without hesitation climbed into the ambulance and held Nik's hand all the way to the hospital, reassuring Nik that he was going to pull through.  It was just such a wonderful, subtly done scene.  Watching it now is almost painful, it's such a sad reminder of what both actors are capable of if they could only be arsed to do it.

Edited August 27, 2014 by yowsah1

[dubbel zout]

The scene I remember most vividly as the one that turned things around between Luke and Nikolas was when Nik got shot in the throat outside of Luke's bar, and Luke without hesitation climbed into the ambulance and held Nik's hand all the way to the hospital, reassuring Nik that he was going to pull through.  It was just such a wonderful, subtly done scene.

It was also the perfect way for the animosity to finally be buried: One of Laura's sons is injured, Luke realizes said son is really just a scared child, and he takes it upon himself to reassure the boy. You saw clearly that Luke hated what Nik represented, not Nik himself.

I also liked how the aftermath of that was handled. There was no big "they like each other!" hullabaloo.

[jsbt]

I remember Luke in the ambulance. It should've been the beginning of things with Luke and Nikolas, but they backslid on it so many times, Luke was so vile to him, and he never really mended fences until Laura went off to the mental institution (and backslid a few more times after that). It was part of the reason I found L&L's rushed, shittily written reunion in 2002 so hollow - he had yet to make much peace with Nikolas or show him real respect at that time.

[Cassiopeia]

Did Skye end up being a Quartermaine for reals? It changed so often I've forgotten if Alan was her father or not.

 

Also, was she the daughter of that annoying psychiatrist (Rae?), or am I making that part up because both of them were unrepentant soap hoppers?

[TeeVee329]

Skye's biological mother is Rae Cummings.  Her biological father was never named.  Alan legally adopted her so she's a Q by adoption.

[UYI]

Yes. She found out Rae from OLTL was her mother right before she left for GH in 2001. And Linda Dano (Rae) actually set a record for having her character appear on all four ABC Daytime soaps (PC, AMC, OLTL, and GH). 

 

ETA: Or what TeeVee329 said. :)

Edited August 27, 2014 by UYI

[TeeVee329]

Rae was on "Port Charles" too?

 

Ack, just realized that Skye's biological father never being named leaves a scary opening for Ron.

Edited August 27, 2014 by TeeVee329

[UYI]

Yeah, though I don't know why. All I know is that it was a big deal to have her appear on all four soaps. I think it was in 2000, since she returned to OLTL in late 1999, after AW was cancelled. 

[jsbt]

I have no idea why they never just made her go back to AMC. There were rumors Robin Christopher didn't want to - too bad.

 

I try to forget about Rae. I still count Skye as a Chandler. Rae actually went on a tour of all the ABC soaps searching for her lost child - which she somehow knew neither the sex nor age of. Everyone from fortysomething Max Holden and balding Ben Davidson to young Kelly Cramer and Sophia Pellegrino, or Eve on PC, to name a few, at least, was suspected of being her damn child. It was absolutely ridiculous. And then it turned out oh, it's just a retread of the story Jill did on Another World. Which no one watching ABC cares about, and which dismantled Skye's AMC past.

 

Angela Shapiro, who ran ABC at the time, believed totally in the wisdom of JFP, and thus believed that Linda Dano and this story would be a massive multi-soap draw. I had to endure days of Rae and Sonny being charmed by each other, Rae and Tony Jones, it went on forever. It was like watching your annoying imaginary grandma tour the soaps and try to act hip with all your friends. I could not stop laughing when Guza basically undid all Jill's work before her eyes and had Tracy tell the world that Rae was the biggest skank in Port Charles.

Edited August 27, 2014 by jsbt

[TeeVee329]

I could not stop laughing when Guza basically undid all Jill's work before her eyes and had Tracy tell the world that Rae was the biggest skank in Port Charles.

 

I was fine with that, but I won't lie, it's bugged me repeatedly over the years how Tracy implies and flat-out accuses Skye of having known the whole time she wasn't Alan's daughter and actively conning the Quartermaines, which wasn't true at all.

And as for Rae, don't forget they also randomly made her the daughter of AMC's Myrtle.

Edited August 27, 2014 by TeeVee329

[Cassiopeia]

 

I try to forget about Rae. I still count Skye as a Chandler. Rae actually went on a tour of all the ABC soaps searching for her lost child - which she somehow knew neither the sex nor age of. Everyone from fortysomething Max Holden and balding Ben Davidson to young Kelly Cramer and Sophia Pellegrino, or Eve on PC, to name a few, at least, was suspected of being her damn child. It was absolutely ridiculous.

 

This is why I couldn't remember how it came out. I hope to forget one day who Franco's father was. 

 

 

Her biological father was never named.  Alan legally adopted her so she's a Q by adoption.

 

I had no idea you could legally adopt a 35-year-old.

 

 

And as for Rae, don't forget they also randomly made her the daughter of AMC's Myrtle.

 

Ha, that's right! In terms of physical appearance and, well, everything else, that was the most improbable connection ever.

Edited August 27, 2014 by Cassiopeia

[jsbt]

Oh, God, and then she kept going back to visit Pine Valley, too. Get out!

[dubbel zout]

I had no idea you could legally adopt a 35-year-old.

Back in the day, that's how a lot of gay couples made it possible for partners to get family rights (visitation, inheritance, etc.).

[formerlyfreedom]

Folks, the History Lessons topic is to discuss past storylines; conversations on the writers/producers/show runners/etc (past and present) go in the Backstage Shenanigans Topic. Posts have been moved. Thanks.

[yowsah1]

Liz has always been "that" girl that this show loves to put into crappy ass triangles of "love" so I really have nothing to say about her, it's all typical typical.

 

 

Finally!  Something we agree on!  ;)

 

I always got the feeling during the Guza years that he really, really wanted to get rid of the character of Liz*, and, since he was unable to do that, he used her as a placeholder slampeice for male characters who were between "loves of their lives" and needed some story filler until then.  When Jason was free, they lobbed her at Jason.  When Nik was free, same thing.  And always, it was Liz who was shown as being the party who actively initiated the relationship (Who can forget the "running up numerous flights of stairs to cheat on her husband with Jason" she got saddled with?) , I guess because that protected the all-important male characters.  Meanwhile they desperately tried to pair the character of Lucky up with anybody they could find, and whenever those attempts failed, they put him back with Liz because, hey, she's the Official Placeholder on this show!  Sadly, Guza did this so many times with her that "constantly sniffing after men she can't have" became a legitimate character trait for her.

 

Something similar happened to the character of Blair on One Life to Live - she was most famously paired with Todd, then she fell for Spencer, who turned out to be a big fat liar and a murderer, to boot, then it seemed like every guy she had a romance with turned into an evil sociopath.  "Blair Falls For The Psycho... Again" became a leitmotif for her character.  Now, in all fairness, "Liz is always sniffing after guys" was a leitmotif RC inherited rather than generated, but he doesn't seem to be interested in having her character move on from that.  There was a hint during the A.J. romance that this issue was going to be addressed but then... nothing.  And Liz started sniffing after Nik again.  So it was right back to square one.

 

 

* _ I got the feeling he also would have loved to get rid of the character of Robin, but was similarly prevented from dumping her, so he made up for that by constantly writing her as the stick-in-the-mud, dowdy, unattractive frump who should be endlessly grateful that her snert of a boyfriend-later-husband deigned to stick his dick in her.

[GHScorpiosRule]

There were too many quotes in the episode thread for me to copy and paste over here, so I'll just say what I have to say without quotes.

 

As far as Liz getting the hot sex from Nik that she didn't get from Lucky? That's all pure bullshit and a fucking retcon to justify/convince the viewers why she couldn't stay away from Nik, even though she looked disgusted after each and every fuck with him.  Sure, with JJ's Lucky the first time around, it was sweet...I stopped watching when Yeller McYellerson was in the role, but I watched  clips and I know that the sex between Liz and Greg Vaughn's Lucky was hot.

 

So I'm not drinking the Kool-Aide that sex with Lucky was only sweet and never hot.

Edited September 2, 2014 by GHScorpiosRule

[LeftPhalange]

Someone should've told Liz there are ways to spice up a "boring" sex life that don't involve having sex with your brother in law.

[GHScorpiosRule]

Someone should've told Liz there are ways to spice up a "boring" sex life that don't involve having sex with your brother in law.

 

This can be said of any and all characters that fuck/cheat with brothers-in-laws, sisters-in-laws, brothers, sisters, husbands and wives of people they're cheating with. It's not specific to Liz alone.

[KerleyQ]

As far as Liz getting the hot sex from Nik that she didn't get from Lucky? That's all pure bullshit and a fucking retcon to justify/convince the viewers why she couldn't stay away from Nik, even though she looked disgusted after each and every fuck with him.  Sure, with JJ's Lucky the first time around, it was sweet...I stopped watching when Yeller McYellerson was in the role, but I watched  clips and I know that the sex between Liz and Greg Vaughn's Lucky was hot.

 

 

Yep, the wedding night scene between Liz and GV's Lucky was hot. I'm not buying that the skeevy "I feel sick to my stomach for having touched him" sex she was having with Nik was a pimple on that night's ass. 

[TeeVee329]

You guys, remember Summer?!?!  That Laura lookalike prostitute that was involved with Luke and then Lucky?  And then maybe got pushed off a parapet?  Yikes!

[ulkis]

Wasn't it a cliff? Or was that just Emily? No I think it was Stefan, thinking Summer was Emily, pushed her off a cliff.

[TheGourmez]

You guys, remember Summer?!?!  That Laura lookalike prostitute that was involved with Luke and then Lucky?  And then maybe got pushed off a parapet?  Yikes!

 

I put her in the waifish category of entirely forgettable characters that TIIC, whomever they may have been at the time, probably thought were AMAZING. See Angel Boris, Cassandra (Lady in White), Siobhan, Nadine (minus the accent; that is unforgettable) and frankly, as far as I'm concerned, Emily in her later years.

[annabel]

Due to my somewhat spotty viewing, out of these I only remember Angel (who was always FF, and just makes me shake my head that McT was quoted that she thought having her always dress in white would make her "intriguing"), Siobhan (who deserved better), a little bit of Nadine, and thankfully, not much of later Emily.

[Ambrosefolly]

I really liked Nadine and the actress that played her. Her write off was really stupid, she might of came across as hokey (and for whatever reason, the initial chem between her and Nik didn't pan out and I am not being glib about it) but I thought she felt more like a real person I would meet in my everyday life (I live in the midwest, so there is that). The actress managed to earn a regular gig on Grimm.

 

Aside from the accent, I liked Siobahn too.Dye her hair brown, she would have made a decent Emily recast. She is one of the few people I ever bought that Edward would take an instant liking to, unlike how Guza would try to convince me that he wouldn't be royally pissed at Carly for screwing around with AJ and letting Sonny adopt Michael, instead of the tongue baths he would give her when they had conversations together . I had hoped that she would stick around and help Lucky (and to an extent Liz) move on from LL2. In the beginning it looked like that, but it turned to crap. 

 

In both cases I think that since both characters actually came across as somewhat sane and moral that they had no place on the canvas. 

[testardo]

I really liked Nadine and the actress that played her. Her write off was really stupid, she might of came across as hokey (and for whatever reason, the initial chem between her and Nik didn't pan out and I am not being glib about it) but I thought she felt more like a real person I would meet in my everyday life (I live in the midwest, so there is that). The actress managed to earn a regular gig on Grimm.

 

Aside from the accent, I liked Siobahn too.Dye her hair brown, she would have made a decent Emily recast. She is one of the few people I ever bought that Edward would take an instant liking to, unlike how Guza would try to convince me that he wouldn't be royally pissed at Carly for screwing around with AJ and letting Sonny adopt Michael, instead of the tongue baths he would give her when they had conversations together . I had hoped that she would stick around and help Lucky (and to an extent Liz) move on from LL2. In the beginning it looked like that, but it turned to crap. 

 

In both cases I think that since both characters actually came across as somewhat sane and moral that they had no place on the canvas.

I haven't the faintest idea who Nadine is ? No clue I also liked Siobhan. She had chemistry with JJ. Liked her better than Liz who had slept with Lucky's bro. I was very sorry to see them kill Siobhan. The whole idea of the Q's even talking to carly after what she did to AJ numerous times. Lila was ruined when she was on. The old bat turned senile. She actually invited Carly to the house while she was with Sonny ??? She was also so pleasant to him after he turned her grandson into a killer for hire.

[dubbel zout]

Nadine was played by Claire Coffee. They had her lay on a super thick southern accent. I forget most of her story with Nik, but she left the show alive (I know!) and with a patent for...something. I think they didn't know how to write a relatively normal person.

 

I hated Siobhan from the moment she stepped onscreen as a fiesty Irish redhead. Gag. One tired cliché after another with that one. She was another relatively normal character they didn't know what to do with.

[GHScorpiosRule]

I hated Siobhan from the moment she stepped onscreen as a fiesty Irish redhead. Gag. One tired cliché after another with that one. She was another relatively normal character they didn't know what to do with.

 

God, me too! She was a walking talking stereotype of the feisty, hot-tempered heroine from practically every '80s Harlequin Romance book. There was scenery chewing and then there was chewing and biting and eating every single word in that one scene in the barn when she and Lucky were trying to find her kidnapped sister, whose name I've thankfully blanked from my memory.

[TeeVee329]

Oh yeah, Angel!  With the always wearing white and people not thinking she was real and stuff.  And wasn't she also randomly a private investigator?  She was the one who found Alexis' sister, right?

[KerleyQ]

Siobhan was the worst.  What a hot mess of a character.  It's like they gave a picture of her and a sample of her voice to 100 different writers, and they each wrote exactly one episode she was in, with zero input from the other writers.  

 

I liked Nadine, if only for that whole throwing shit at TumorGhostEmily scene.  

[SlovakPrincess]

Sounds like the show's plots are only getting more and more insane (Lulu et al getting gassed, Robin curing the dead), though someone pointed out the insanity of past stories on this show.

However, the crazy plots in the past worked (usually, to an extent at least) because they were really just a backdrop to exploring the characters and their interactions.

The Ice Princess was really about Luke and Laura figuring out their relationship, Laura growing up and getting braver -- oh, and their suspicion of, then friendship with, Robert. The Prometheus Disk story (highly silly in concept) was really about Luke's anger and jealousy over Robert/Holly and the Celia/Grant relationship. The original Aztec Treasure stuff was about the relationships between Sean, Robert, Anna, Frisco, Felicia. The Asian Quarter stuff was about Robert and Anna figuring out how to parent Robin.

Even later, lamer attempts at these plots had something of a point - like the lame Monkey Virus which at least resurrected Robert.

(I'm not sure there's any defense of Casey the Alien, although that story might have introduced Faison - I wish he'd never existed, but Faison seems to have his fans.)

Whereas the current wacky plots on the show don't seem to have much heart or point or internal logic... they just segue into something even weirder.

Edited September 2, 2014 by SlovakPrincess

[dubbel zout]

Even later, lamer attempts at these plots had something of a point - like the lame Monkey Virus which at least resurrected Robert.

 

Remember that glorious day when RobertFucking!Scorpio walked back into GH? Sigh.

[jsbt]

Angel Ellis (Sorel) remains one of the worst actor/character combinations I've seen on GH in my 20+ years of viewing. Few things can top that, and I'm including Courtney, Sabrina, Nina, etc.

 

I kind of liked Nikolas with both Nadine and Brook Lynn, at least in theory. The problem was it was largely in theory, whereas in practice it felt very lame - you could tell when Bob Guza gave up on TC/Nikolas like so many of his other old favorites (Jax, Stefan, Alexis, etc.), after Emily got paired with Sonny and the Courtney pairing broke the character. Once Guza and JFP relegated Nikolas to the bin of semi-disgraced no-hopers that was where he stayed, so he was fair game to be paired with anyone in any manner of detritus story or character-ruining nonsense; Nurse Nadine, sure, why not, who cares. Brook Lynn is his semi-escort and he is her kinda-john? Sure, okay, we have nothing else for them to do and we don't give a fuck about Nikolas anymore. Guza spent a lot of years sort of daring a lot of old faves to leave until they (Ingo, TC, etc.) finally did or got fired. Nancy Lee Grahn outlasted him but it's still not been a picnic for her either.

 

I think Nik and Brook Lynn, at least, could have worked with a real commitment to the characters on the canvas and better story. But they had long since stopped bothering with either. They were there to fill space. And frankly, Tyler Christopher had grown bored, bloated and kind of gross onscreen, as he has again over the last year since returning. It's been sad to see him devolve back into Man-Thing Nikolas after coming back so refreshed, and the story is basically not a story, it's a hamster wheel.

Edited September 2, 2014 by jsbt

[TeeVee329]

What ever happened to Angel?  Murdered?  Left town?  Floated back up to heaven?

[jsbt]

When her big JFP/Megan McTavish-penned story with Sonny tanked hard, Angel turned out to be the one who pulled the plug on her mobster father, Sorel (who had killed her husband). Sonny and Angel's old friend Jax - because everyone on the show had to be connected back to Angel - helped her get spirited out of town to elude the authorities and that was that. Goodbye, Poochie.

Edited September 2, 2014 by jsbt

[TheGourmez]

I liked Nadine, if only for that whole throwing shit at TumorGhostEmily scene.  

 

Oh, that scene was beauty itself. Although I listed Nadine in the waifish character list, I did like her. I still have no idea what happened with her and Nik and Matt, right?, investigating the drugs. Was that all Sirhan Surgeon's doing? I ask as though I even know what "the doing" was anymore.

[OnceSane]

Oh, that scene was beauty itself. Although I listed Nadine in the waifish character list, I did like her. I still have no idea what happened with her and Nik and Matt, right?, investigating the drugs. Was that all Sirhan Surgeon's doing? I ask as though I even know what "the doing" was anymore.

 

I think the Russians (Karpov/Sasha) were running the drugs with Jerry Jacks.  I don't remember the particulars, I just remember Jerry trying to blow up Sam a couple times.

[GHScorpiosRule]

*There was a lot of fan speculation in the late 90s that Lulu was really stefan's daughter. I could see Ron running with something creepy like that, or at least pretending to.

 

That really would be some GREAT BULLSHIT on that fuckwit's part, and wouldn't surprise me. It would be more shitting on Luke & Laura, considering that the time that Laura got pregnant with Lulu, Luke and Laura had returned to GH after a 10 year absence...that the story of Stefan, Nikolas, etc., was 2 years away (and no one will convince me they thought that far ahead to give Laura a son by rapist Stavros when Genie and Tony came back). They were happy during this time, and Lulu IS Luke's child.

 

But that douche will probably distort history...rewrite canon to make it so.

 

I have no words as to WHY fans would even speculate this considering when Lulu was conceived. Did Stefan, as Zeus, pretend to be Luke when he impregnated Laura?

[Tiger]

@GHScorpiosRule

Ya see, Stefan got a mask from that German mask maker and had sex with Laura, but it wasn't rape because Laura was secretly in love with Stefan. The Zaccarah goons just happened to be wandering outside the Ward house and saw the whole thing.

[Chairperson Meow]

Johnny has the recording in his jail cell. He's been listening to it on repeat.

This will be how he gets out. And I want a pony.

For real, as much as I hate Luke, I'm not up for unSpencering Lulu.

[ulkis]

That really would be some GREAT BULLSHIT on that fuckwit's part, and wouldn't surprise me. It would be more shitting on Luke & Laura, considering that the time that Laura got pregnant with Lulu, Luke and Laura had returned to GH after a 10 year absence...that the story of Stefan, Nikolas, etc., was 2 years away (and no one will convince me they thought that far ahead to give Laura a son by rapist Stavros when Genie and Tony came back). They were happy during this time, and Lulu IS Luke's child.

 

But that douche will probably distort history...rewrite canon to make it so.

 

I have no words as to WHY fans would even speculate this considering when Lulu was conceived. Did Stefan, as Zeus, pretend to be Luke when he impregnated Laura?

 

I guess it was mostly Stefan/Laura fans. And little Lu's black hair, and because Nik was a match for her bone marrow (true fact: if a full sibling is not a match it's more likely a complete non-relative will be a match than a partial relative).

[yowsah1]

Guza spent a lot of years sort of daring a lot of old faves to leave until they (Ingo, TC, etc.) finally did or got fired. Nancy Lee Grahn outlasted him but it's still not been a picnic for her either.

 

 

I remember reading an interview with NLG from that time  where she openly said that the only reason she was staying on GH was because she had a daughter to put through college.

 

 

 

There was a lot of fan speculation in the late 90s that Lulu was really stefan's daughter. I could see Ron running with something creepy like that, or at least pretending to.

 

Taking my answer to the Speculation thread.

Edited September 4, 2014 by yowsah1

[jsbt]

Just because: Constance Towers debuts as Helena Cassadine in December 1997, shortly after the return of Bob Guza. "Don't attempt to understand me. I don't even understand me."

 

 

Helena had, of course, been played by Elizabeth Taylor in a special guest appearance in 1981. The role was briefly recast with Dimitra Arliss in 1996 when the Cassadine revival began - Luke visited the frail, apparently-dying Helena on Cassadine Island to demand information about Stefan and Nikolas. IIRC, early after his arrival in Port Charles, Stefan would tell people that Helena was ailing and would perish at any moment. His hopes were unfounded.

Edited September 4, 2014 by jsbt

[CPP83]

Sleeping with Sonny was, on some level, a power move for Ava. She doesn't have feelings for him, she never did. She wants him in line because of what she did to his girlfriend. She knew that if she made herself Sonny's intimate confidant she could control him, and did, for a while. She still is, to an extent - she (allegedly) is carrying either his child or grandchild, so he wont touch her.

 

I think she should've gone all the way, seduced him, fooled him and married him, but she didn't. What they're doing to the character now is lame shit with Nina, Sabrina, etc., but IMO it's nowhere near as bad as the Sympathetic Moral Ava In Love Tour I had to endure during her treacly affair with Morgan and her sudden, inexplicable (and thankfully brief) shock at being part of an organized crime family when Julian and Sonny were shooting it out.

 

 

 

 

I never got the feeling that Ava slept with Sonny for any reason aside from Ron wanting to do a WTD story. While she did want to play the devil's advocate with Sonny, sleeping with him seemed to be spur of the moment, aka she lost her damn mind. I don't think Ava ever intended to take things that far with him, what woman would aside from Carly and calling her a "woman" for the most part is being a bit generous imho.

 

I think that's why we never saw Ava take it any further, she seemed humiliated and ashamed and when it came out her reaction was anything but that of a coy and confident lady with a devious plan in place. To me she never "owned" it, instead she almost dropped to hands and knees begging Morgan's forgiveness and understanding and then suddenly she's pregnant and getting death threats from Sonny after he found out the truth about Connie.

 

That's why I thought her sleeping with Sonny was her sinking almost too low for words, because she didn't have a plan, there was no purpose or reason to do it. She certainly didn't use it to her advantage, even now she's being told that as soon as the kid hatches Sonny is going to have her taken out regardless.

 

Overall to me it just seemed like typical GH fare, a woman with a working vagina can't resist Sonny in a moment of mental/emotional weakness. Sonny's been bedding women like that since he debuted so to me it was just run of the mill stuff with the usual result.

[Chairperson Meow]

To be fair, it seems any woman would be ashamed to sleep with Sonny. Even Carly said it best when comparing sex with Sonny like an ugly dress. It may not have been the thing Ron was going for, but it was what I got from it. And I laughed.

Still laughing.

[Harmony233]

This is probally a weird question but what ever happened to serenity Dominquies family estate that serena was named after.I'm guessing it went the same way as Lukes club and the outback lol.I'm assuming scott got it in the will but its kinda weird its not been mentioned in like forever lol.

[Ambrosefolly]

Not really if you think about. Serena hasn't been on in over 10 years and even before that, she was on a different soap, and her aunt Katherine has been dead for all that time as well. I also assumed it was some sort of upstate country estate that the family would summer at. What is weird that when Katherine was alive and Serena returned to town with Scott, there was very little interaction between the two, if any. 

[Cattitude]

Can someone explain to me how Faison and Victor are related? buddies? something.... I can't understand how Victor knows more about him than anyone. I guess since Nathan is being drawn into some paternity story about them I need to know a little back story.

Edited September 4, 2014 by Cattitude