These Spoilers Suck: Bitter Speculation About SPN Spoilers

[gonzosgirrl]

34 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

It seems to me that Billie could intervene here because she is there with Jack and the Empty Keeper. And Jack knew about his deal. Seems to me Jack could tell Billie to handle that matter. Heck couldnt she just kill the empty keeper which would nullify the deal anyway?

I'd say there's a better chance they just pretend that scene never happened.

[Aeryn13]

4 hours ago, PAForrest said:

I've completely forgotten, I admit, but was it originally stated that Dean was supposed to be the one to hold onto the concept of free will? If that's really true, what the hell happened? Did Dabb come back from Comic Con and think to himself, 'Oh dear, I've accidentally allowed Dean to have a little agency this last season - REWRITE!!!!! No story for you, Dean!'

I mean, all Dabb's disinterest-hatred of Dean is going to do is make me leave the show despising the other characters, especially Sam. I'd like to remember the show if for nothing else - aside from Jensen's relentless straw into gold portrayal of Dean - thinking fondly of the Winchester brother team. But that's not going to happen if Dabb is going to spend this last season crapping all over the lead he doesn't like.

Yup, seems to be the case. Wasn`t there even some new footage that still had Sam questioning it in some clip?

Though now ironically Dabb is flat-out saying they never had free will till now and it was always an illusion so Dean would be freaking correct if he wondered exactly that.  

The powers worry me far more, though. Is this supposed to be Jared`s neverending wish of "I want Sam`s powers back"? And how does that work once Jack is back. Will they have a Sue-power-off? 

Or is him vanquishing a witch just supposed to be "we`re doing magic now, whoopee"? It seems strange that in one place of the article they are trying to play cutesy. "The bullet wound gives him great anguish and later mysterious revelations". And then a paragraph later put it all in gleeful detail. 

But what else would "mysterious revelationse" be, other than "yay, I`m super-powerful again, what I always wanted"?  

And why was none of that mentioned at Comic Con? Seriously, none, not even teased.   

[gonzosgirrl]

1 hour ago, Aeryn13 said:

And why was none of that mentioned at Comic Con? Seriously, none, not even teased.

Because Dabb writes out of his ass and panders to his base? Because he/they believe things like this are the majority and that he's actually the best storyteller ever?

[Myrelle]

19 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Because Dabb writes out of his ass and panders to his base? Because he/they believe things like this are the majority and that he's actually the best storyteller ever?

Heh.

I find it interesting that in that article Dabb says that just "ticking boxes" off is not good storytelling and yet Jensen says that's exactly what the writers have done in this last season in a very recent interview from him.

[gonzosgirrl]

14 minutes ago, Myrelle said:

Heh.

I find it interesting that in that article Dabb says that just "ticking boxes" off is not good storytelling and yet Jensen says that's exactly what the writers have done in this last season in a very recent interview from him.

In the same breath that he says they looked for people 'we loved' and starts..um... ticking the boxes. What an asshat.

[Smad]

10 hours ago, juppschmitz said:

Sam couldn't even handle the responsibility of managing a bunch of hunters a while back, and now they give him "godlike" powers? Oh, well...

Are you saying it's not a good idea to give god-like powers to the guy who was drunk on power which lead to Lucifer going free, didn't have the balls to close the gates of hell, released the Darkness and then shot God for no reason? Sounds great to me. What's a few more thousands dead compared to the thousands he's already gotten killed because he just loves to start world ending events for no good reason...

[Res]

6 hours ago, Aeryn13 said:

Yup, seems to be the case. Wasn`t there even some new footage that still had Sam questioning it in some clip?

Though now ironically Dabb is flat-out saying they never had free will till now and it was always an illusion so Dean would be freaking correct if he wondered exactly that.  

The powers worry me far more, though. Is this supposed to be Jared`s neverending wish f "I want Sam`s powers back"? And how does that work once Jack is back. Will they have a Sue-power-off? 

More than likely, I predict that both Sam and Jack have to use their combined powers against Chuck to eventually defeat him while Dean drives them around and cheers them guiltily from the sidelines because Dabb's replaying ALL the greatest hits.

[gonzosgirrl]

1 hour ago, Res said:

More than likely, I predict that both Sam and Jack have to use their combined powers against Chuck to eventually defeat him while Dean drives them around and cheers them guiltily from the sidelines because Dabb's replaying ALL the greatest hits.

Eh, he'll probably get locked in the men's room at the Gas 'n Sip and Adam will have to step in to drive them the last leg.

[catrox14]

Dean has a fucking beard and this would almost make me not give a shit about the rest of the season...almost...almost

9 hours ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Because Dabb writes out of his ass and panders to his base? Because he/they believe things like this are the majority and that he's actually the best storyteller ever?

I think the story structure under Carver was pretty damn clear IMO. 

[catrox14]

Dean with a beard.  Could this be a flashforward and there is a big time jump???

[Casseiopeia]

9 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

Dean with a beard.  Could this be a flashforward and there is a big time jump???

Or AU?  The Colt, Samifer...it looks really confusing.

[catrox14]

1 hour ago, Casseiopeia said:

Or AU?  The Colt, Samifer...it looks really confusing.

Building on that...maybe we are seeing Chuck's other drafts that he abandoned? Or just his other endings?

[Casseiopeia]

11 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

Building on that...maybe we are seeing Chuck's other drafts that he abandoned? Or just his other endings?

I was thinking the same thing.  Worlds are colliding.

Dean is dressed weird....or different.

Edited October 10, 2019 by Casseiopeia

[Aeryn13]

I'd say the speculation that the bullet wound is gonna be "the Mark of God" will be right on the money. You see a hand with an ugly ring that looks exactly the same. There is one shot of the MOC to re-introduce the idea of Marks IMO.

Also you can hear Becky. She is bemoaning Chuck's terrible ending. Obviously the brothers know it, too, so it will become about thwarting it.

Some dialogue really sounds like "Sam wants to go off and gloriously sacrifice himself" and Dean can only say "Sammy please".

Now obviously they haven't shot the Finale yet so introducing all that now might mean it's all a red herring and gonna play out differently.  

Btw, Dean is the one who says he doesn't accept Chuck's ending. So he doesn't appear to have given up on free will.

Edited October 10, 2019 by Aeryn13

[PAForrest]

5 hours ago, Casseiopeia said:

I was thinking the same thing.  Worlds are colliding.

Dean is dressed weird....or different.

OMG, can we have the whole season centered on this one scene here??? I don't give a damn what's happening or supposed to be happening - let's just stay here. 😍

[Aeryn13]

I'm thinking when Chuck tells Becky his "ending", they'll visually show it as some nightmarish future scenario. Or several endings.

[PAForrest]

7 hours ago, catrox14 said:

Dean has a fucking beard and this would almost make me not give a shit about the rest of the season...almost...almost

Yeah, that's pretty much all I got out of this promo. Was there something else? Heh.

Seriously, though, these Shaving people ... promos are always cool to look at, very stylistic, gives the editors something fun to play with. But in terms of how the actual season is going to play out, they're almost entirely meaningless. I think their purpose is exactly what you see - to make the season look a whole lot better than it actually is.

But occasionally you get a cool still or two to screencap for swooning purposes, like our lovely bearded Dean. 😍

[gonzosgirrl]

35 minutes ago, PAForrest said:

But occasionally you get a cool still or two to screencap for swooning purposes, like our lovely bearded Dean. 😍

Ah, the mythical Bearded Dean, once believed to exist only in fanfic fairy tales. Legend has it that once you have seen him, the end is near. 

[trudysmom]

19 hours ago, gonzosgirrl said:

he/they believe things like this are the majority and that he's actually the best storyteller ever?

So...Dabb has written himself into the story, he's the Chuck of the final season.  How meta of  him.  How narcissistic.  How predictable.  Where's my vomit bag?

[BabySpinach]

What is that shot of the Mark of Cain on Dean's (or AU Dean's) arm? I'm pretty sure it's not an old scene.

Edited October 10, 2019 by BabySpinach

[gonzosgirrl]

18 minutes ago, BabySpinach said:

What is that shot of the Mark of Cain on Dean's (or AU Dean's) arm? I'm pretty sure it's not an old scene.

Seems like a lot of fuckery happening. We also see Samifer. I've seen spec that these are all possible AUs and Bearded!Dean is really End!Verse Dean.

38 minutes ago, trudysmom said:

So...Dabb has written himself into the story, he's the Chuck of the final season.  How meta of  him.  How narcissistic.  How predictable.  Where's my vomit bag?

Yep. He is The Writer.

It was barely okay when Kripke did it, and Dabb is no Kripke.

[ILoveReading]

I wonder if the scenes in the bunker are Sam and Dean facing all the alternate versions of themselves  and those are the atomic monsters  

Bearded Dean could be The End Dean and there is the mark if Cain and Samifer.

This might be were Sam's powers come in   they would need supernatural help for that. 

Edited October 10, 2019 by ILoveReading

[Aeryn13]

There were several clips from the past in it, that one shot of Samifer in the white suit definitely is from "The End", Dean stabbing Lucy, flashing the Michael eyes, that portion is all past clips.

I think the MOC shot is, too? It`s really hard to tell. Dean is wearing the red shirt and he is in the bunker, rolling up his sleeve and looking at his arm. That is so nondescript, it could easily be from Season 9 or 10.

You can see a motive of Dean having to kill someone or killing someone. There is a shot of him with that stupid equalizer in the bunker and he looks very distraught. Then the end clip shows Dean with a machete standing behind someone kneeling at the ground, looks like an execution. The clip cuts out right before you can make out the figure on the ground. 

My guess is those are Chuck "endings" of Dean killing Sam or Jack or whomever to re-do his version where Dean was supposed to kill Jack. Or something. 

Dabb going super-narcisstic meta with a writer (who is also God) supposedly writing a shit ending and being called on it within the story which narratively should lead to the protagonists thwarting him and making their own ending - which then supposedly would be "great"? Do you need another planet for that ego? Or the delusions?     

[catrox14]

22 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:

There is a shot of him with that stupid equalizer in the bunker and he looks very distraught

I saw Dean looking distraught when he was holding the Colt which was looked almost the same shot as in the Prisoner when he had the MoC and beat the crap out of Cas. Whcih makes me think he had to kill either Sam, Jack, or Cas by using the the Colt, so that must be one of Chucks abandoned /alternate endings.

They put a lot of intriguing things in that trailer but i worry it will amount to nothing overall worthwhile.

[Aeryn13]

Sneak peak for the Premiere here

Once again not a fan of how they get exposition across. It`s kind of clumsy they have Sam to explain how it`s the souls from hell - Dean didn`t mean zombies literally-literally - and what material the door is - Dean can see that as well, his question was more rhetorically-(non)-hopeful. I got nothing for Cas, he obviously did mean his suggestion literally. 

And all of them are stumped on what Chuck meant by "welcome to the end"? Seriously, that wasn`t clear to them? Jeez. If nothing else, Chuck`s actions could be self-explanatory.

So apparently they will find someone in that crypt they strike up an uneasy alliance with. Since apparently hell-"souls" have jumped into the buried corpses there, it will likely be someone they know but who is in hell. The spoilers said a "deal with the devil but not the devil-devil". 

Guess this will be the first "we`re bringing this character back" of the Season. I randomely suggest Bela? I would say the soul of stupid Nick but I doubt the writers are interested in him without Pellegrino. 

[KayCordingly]

6 hours ago, Aeryn13 said:

Dabb going super-narcisstic meta with a writer (who is also God) supposedly writing a shit ending and being called on it within the story which narratively should lead to the protagonists thwarting him and making their own ending - which then supposedly would be "great"? Do you need another planet for that ego? Or the delusions?     

Ever get the feeling that Dabb is actually Metatron?

[trudysmom]

19 minutes ago, KayCordingly said:

Ever get the feeling that Dabb is actually Metatron?

But with less personality.  At least Boogertron could make sense at times, his snark was funny. 

[Bobcatkitten]

I like the theory that maybe we will see alternate "choices" or endings to some things that happen. One clip is old Samifer but one clip is new. 

[tessathereaper]

18 hours ago, PAForrest said:

OMG, can we have the whole season centered on this one scene here??? I don't give a damn what's happening or supposed to be happening - let's just stay here. 😍

Seriously I want to see this movie.  Just like a movie of this scene.

[Aeryn13]

The scene with bearded Dean in the bunker is apparently a precursor to some version of Lucifer!Sam killing him (from the Sam flash in the Premiere) there.  Those scenes have the same lighting. Best guess: Chuck is telling a creeped-out Becky his great ending(s). 

Does anyone know when the TV Guide photo-shoot and interview blips were taken? My guess would be during episode 3. The article references the Season Premiere and also Cas leaving in a huff - as per the summary for episode 3. So the "Sam vanquishes a witch" scene *groan* should also be in ep 3. A Berens episode where Dean just gets thrown around and Sam is the hero? Fits. 

Nothing so far yet known on episodes 5 and 6 beyond the titles, right? Ep 7 is the one with Christian Kane and episode 8, the likely mid-Season Finale, is the one where Adam/Michael comes back. Probably leaves on a stupid mini-cliffhanger.  

Edited October 11, 2019 by Aeryn13

[Aeryn13]

42 minutes ago, PinkChicken said:

I also hope they stay together dead or alive, but that said I want them both to have a purpose and actual narrative role in the end.

There's not *really* much difference I know, but (outside of any "I'm not leaving you" moments) Dean's suicidal recklessness is pretty much always dressed up in sacrifice or martyrdom. There is no giving up without a wider context or "valid excuse" because they wouldn't just do that to each other. I want Dean to have more to do than just pointlessly kill himself next to Sam for moral support while Sam saves the world using a method which actually only requires one man to complete. It might be semantic but context is everything. To take a well used example of driving baby off a cliff, obviously only one (or no) driver is actually required, but I wouldn't mind if they did that together... (spoiler is for the Originals)

  Reveal spoiler

...but an ending like The Originals, is one of my worst fears for this show. Because it required two separate acts, Elijah just came off super depressing and kind of pointless to me  --and in that case there was even the added padding of having lived a thousand lifetimes and having committed some pretty horrible acts.

*

I can't remember where all the content was that people put it together from, but what I remember both of them saying at SDCC is that it was [paraphrased] "the opposite to what we might expect from the characters" +Jensen saying something appeasing about how it gave them opportunities to play different notes (possibly so people wouldn't quote him as saying it was ooc or anything). Maybe fandom just took it wrong and what we assumed in the first place wasn't what they thought we would? I remember thinking it could go either way, because they had played Dean off so differently recently than what I liked about earlier seasons, so I didn't really read much into it at the time. It also depends if they were specifically talking about free will, or about faith in God and the associated disappointment/anger, or just a positive "gotta keep grinding" outlook overall. Because they both have variable track records with all those things.
Its not really surprising they contradict themselves intheir attempts at baing cagey about spoilers. Though now I wonder if they swapped it after SDCC after all those comments...

If they're going to do a cursory flip through and discard some possible AU endings, AND bring back OG Michael and Adam, might I suggest that this provides the context required to re-write the idiocy that was Billie's books for Dean. If they mention a Michael, at the time there was no way for her or Dean to know *which* Michael would be involved in the final problem.

re: potential bearded endverse-Dean, it has also been 5 years since 2014, so when Lucifer-Sam told Dean he would see him in 5 years, it not only refers to the fact that Dean was going back to 5 years in the past but also lines up with them meeting again now. Back in Season 5 at least, Angels still had the mystery and power to be able to exist outside of time and know things like that...

I re-checked the Comic Con vids specifically for the question on the free will thing and I found one at least where Jensen says it will be up to Dean to keep Sam going.

Of course I now found several of Singer`s wife who says Cas will give them the necessary clarity and it eases Dean who is being more "fiery" about it while Sam is more serene. Now keep in mind at last year`s Comic Con she said that noone would drive the car while Dean was Michael and that was the first scene, Sam driving the car. So she basically only speaks about her own episodes. So the Cas-thing ought to happen in one of those. Maybe not episode 2 but the next one they write.

While Jensen also said about the episode he directed, the 4th one, that the brothers go out on a hunt because they just can`t sit around at the bunker moping. Now that might be Dean getting them to go on a hunt. 

The possibly trajectory could be:

Sam thinks Chuck is gone and he feels good about this, according to the Premiere - Cas gives them a speech - they might find out Chuck is not done with them yet and they learn about his proposed "ending" for them - that gets Sam mopey and Dean fired up. 

As for revisiting the Lucifer vs. Michael scenario, I could see that, too, in some way but maybe more as Chuck`s new "ending" for them that Becky finds so horrible and not so much what will happen. I think we might be seeing "what if" clips. 

Buckner said that the issue of "you can`t kill Chuck or you kill creation" will be brought up and not walked back on so they have to find a "work-around". This might be where the bullet wound comes in as a "Mark of God" or something. I really, really hope not but possible.

The shot of the MOC in the shaving/punting trailer is really random otherwise.  I do believe it`s an old clip but I`m not sure. Amara comes back but I`m not sure she could give Dean the Mark back. Chuck could do it but I`m not seeing that right now.   

[Aeryn13]

15 minutes ago, PinkChicken said:

Ah I guess I missed that part of sdcc. I agree with you about ep 4 then, and in that context it would almost be the opposite premise to Mint Condition which held that role last year, so while it might not be the antithesis of the actual characters it isn't incorrect to say its a reversal of sorts. 

The only reason I have any doubts about the bullet wound maybe affecting the narrative past the mid-season break is because it involves Sam. I'm clinging to the hope that anything that can be built out of the breadcrumbs we currently have aren't accurate, surely even this team can be more subtle than that?

If it means that he wont steal the mark/Amara from Dean i might be okay with Sam having equivalent Chuck connections, but knowing this show it will be executed poorly, or used to reinforce unflattering stereotypes or comparisons between the siblings, and be turned into a competition instead of exploring the duality/balance of that idea. Maybe the mark is there just to remind everyone about the rules of those kinds of things, hopefully it isn't there because Sam has anything to do with Amara where Dean should, possibly it is there because Dean ends up finding "peace" with Amara right at the end and they probably think we need reminding why.

Even if its just flash forwards or visions of various versions of the characters or outcomes we never got to see, I think that could be fun to explore and would actually give Jensen something to do, whether or not it actually affects this seasons trajectory.

Dabb said at a recent interview that at some point Chuck will be fully powered again and that that would put the brothers into even more of a tight spot. 

Now obviously that implies that he isn`t fully powered right now when the Season begins. Why not? The only thing I could think of would be that dumb Equalizer shot. So maybe the bullet wound does disappear later if Chuck kinda "heals" or takes it back or whatnot.

In the meantime it might be the connection to Chuck in terms of learning what his plans are. In the Last Ride vid, Dean says "so this is Chuck`s ending for us?" How do they know? Does he tell him? Does he send them a script? Might be a vision.

One thing I`m very ominous about is that notion of "revisiting" some thing from the past and reveal Chuck influenced them more than they previously thought. According to Dabb, I think. Like what are those and influenced them how? Those have the potential to further ruin good stories or episodes from the past by putting a new stupid spin on it that undercuts the characters. 

[Aeryn13]

34 minutes ago, PinkChicken said:

~revisiting the past~ you say... ah crap. I figured they just included it as a s14 highlight and for JDM, but in the recap, the snippet of dialogue they use re: John was when Dean says "None of this would have happened without you". True there is a fair amount we never knew about him and plenty of gaps they could fill with whatever they please, but they better not be planning on retconning John of all things

I don't think it's John per se, more like revisit past storylines like the Apocalypse in Season 5 and reveal this and that. Though that might also be were Adam comes in on a revenge mission. Or Michael. Or both of them.

[gonzosgirrl]

8 hours ago, Aeryn13 said:

obviously that implies that he isn`t fully powered right now when the Season begins. Why not? The only thing I could think of would be that dumb Equalizer shot. So maybe the bullet wound does disappear later if Chuck

He's been 'infected' with Sam's humanity and will now just sigh and scowl and be judgier than ever. And then save the world with his Sammy goodness.

[Smad]

7 hours ago, gonzosgirrl said:

He's been 'infected' with Sam's humanity and will now just sigh and scowl and be judgier than ever. And then save the world with his Sammy goodness.

Is that why Chuck turned the lights off last Season? He was infected with 'Sammy-ness' and Sam loves to start an apocalypse or two?

But in all seriousness...why can't we just have Amara come in and kick little bro's ass all over creation? Isn't she also supposed to be in episode 2? That sure as hell would be more entertaining than supernatural Sammy affliction #4522132132153 and more logical than any of these guys actually taking on God because....seriously?

[Aeryn13]

1 hour ago, Smad said:

Is that why Chuck turned the lights off last Season? He was infected with 'Sammy-ness' and Sam loves to start an apocalypse or two?

But in all seriousness...why can't we just have Amara come in and kick little bro's ass all over creation? Isn't she also supposed to be in episode 2? That sure as hell would be more entertaining than supernatural Sammy affliction #4522132132153 and more logical than any of these guys actually taking on God because....seriously?

As far as I know Emily Swallows was in Vancouver later. Episode 4 at the earliest, more likely ep 5.

Rowena and Ketch are in ep 2, likely Ketch dies. Rowena is also in ep 3. This is where they contain/defeat/send back the current hell souls.

Ep 4 is a one-off in terms of the brothers going on a hunt as either the A or B storyline while Chuck talks to Becky?

[juppschmitz]

So Dabb is bringing Jake Abel back to the show (twice, apparently).

It's almost as if he thinks people are interested in Michael in himself  rather than Dean's role as Michael's true vessel.

Listen, Andrew babe, I have a message for you: I couldn't care less if I tried!

[Aeryn13]

Promo pics for episode 15.03  here

Wasn`t Rowena already holding that glowy object in the promo pics for episode 2? Do they try the same spell twice?

Demon!Jack is still with them so is he actually supposed to be "trustworthy"? Seriously? Mr.Deus ex Machina? I mean, he has to leave because he surely isn`t around for the one-off hunt in episode 4.

The entire group seems to walk onto the cemetary, then Rowena stays with Sam in a mausoleum? the one they were in in the Premiere? to do a spell while Dean and Cas stay outside? Guard the perimeter? Though Dean and Sam seem to be on the phone with each other so that would suggest some distance between the two teams. 

That one pic where Sam looks at Rowena strangely makes me wonder if she is commenting on his possible new "otherness". Ì Iertainly hope that plot gets revealed and summarily resolved quickly.  

[AwesomO4000]

9 hours ago, Aeryn13 said:

Wasn`t Rowena already holding that glowy object in the promo pics for episode 2? Do they try the same spell twice?

To give themselves another 24 or 48 hours (or whatever the arbitrary length of "protection" the spell gave? (Or maybe the real FBI was going to show up in 24 hours?)

I seem to remember some time limit on the spell, I think... unless I'm remembering it wrongly.
 

Though I would think Demon Jack would redo the spell. (though there's a bit of a hiccup with needing another heart, I would think). Maybe Rowena is going to try a more lasting spell?

I'm so confused. Multiple spells makes it hard to keep track when there's already so much nonsensical stuff going on. (Like as mentioned in the other thread Sam putting his gun down... Maybe Fritz's ghost should come back and suggest a bungee again for their weapons.)

Edited to add: Oh, wait a minute. You're talking about a spell in episode 2 that also looks like it gets done in this episode (episode 3). Sorry about that...

Maybe the glowy thing is a scene at the end of episode 2? The Blacklist did that to me in their preview for the season opener. They showed a scene of the main character, Red, getting his blood slowly taken out of him as a preview for the premier episode, but in reality that didn't happen until like the last 30 seconds or so of the episode, so theoretically the main action associated with that scene isn't going to happen until the second / next episode.

So maybe whatever happens with the glowy thing takes a time span over two episodes to complete?

Edited October 16, 2019 by AwesomO4000

[ILoveReading]

This interview is everything that is wrong with Supernatural.

At least 75% focuses on Jack/Alex and his answer regarding Sam's visions makes no sense.

If his visions are the past or the future then exactly what are they.  "Just visions" makes no sense. 

[Aeryn13]

1 hour ago, ILoveReading said:

This interview is everything that is wrong with Supernatural.

At least 75% focuses on Jack/Alex and his answer regarding Sam's visions makes no sense.

If his visions are the past or the future then exactly what are they.  "Just visions" makes no sense. 

He might as well just say outright that those are Chuck drafts and Sam is seeing them because they are "connected". I guess they even find that a clever Season 1 callback now to Sam's visions.

And what the hell was up with the interviewer and the fifty trillion questions about demon!Jack?

[ahrtee]

46 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:

He might as well just say outright that those are Chuck drafts and Sam is seeing them because they are "connected". I guess they even find that a clever Season 1 callback now to Sam's visions.

And what the hell was up with the interviewer and the fifty trillion questions about demon!Jack?

Maybe Sam and Dean are Chuck drafts and Jack is the new and improved version.  😲

ETA: continued in Bitch vs. Jerk.

Edited October 17, 2019 by ahrtee

[catrox14]

1 hour ago, ILoveReading said:

This interview is everything that is wrong with Supernatural.

At least 75% focuses on Jack/Alex and his answer regarding Sam's visions makes no sense.

If his visions are the past or the future then exactly what are they.  "Just visions" makes no sense. 

Agree. And i have even more questions:

So, poor Kevin went to Hell?  Okay, Dabb, if you say so. If that was the case, why didnt Crowley ever know about it. I mean surely he  would have either been quite pleased that Kevin was now one of his Hellbound souls, if nothing else than to shove it in the boys faces that he had Kevin.

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What does Sam make of them? What did they signal to him?
I think at this point, it was a quick flash. Sam’s not quite sure what it was. He hasn’t slept in a while. I don’t think he’s looking at anything [as] this is a supernatural thing. But as they keep happening more and more, I think it’s going to dawn on him [that] this may be more than just PTSD.

Wait, Sam has another bout with PTSD? Oh fuck off , Dabb. And more poor woobified Sam not sleeping again? I suppose this time it will be Dean fussing over him with food and recommendations to sleep since Mary's dead. Dabb just regurgitates plot points. And not even in a interesting way.

[Aeryn13]

Sneak Peek for 15.02

I`m guessing Dean and demon!Jack are in offscreenville somewhere. 

[ILoveReading]

JP always looks so awkward in when he's supposed to be the so-called Leader.

[Aeryn13]

2 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

JP always looks so awkward in when he's supposed to be the so-called Leader.

That`s why I actually didn`t mind this scene. I think it`s supposed to be awkward comedy-relief. Even Cas looks dubious af and he knows what`s what.

From the promo, I think Dean comes upon Kevin which is where the "I don`t believe it" comes into play. And the "he is playing us the whole time" after learning Chuck just randomely threw Kevin into hell. 

Which is IMO an actual problem. Retconning Chuck into Evil McHorrible now comes with enough problems but even as this egomanic writer guy, why would he do that to Kevin? It served no story, it didn`t serve his ego. We still have scenes with Chuck in the show pre-Season 14 Finale. Pretending now like he muhaha-ed his way through them and bathed in the blood of babies just for shits and giggles doesn`t work.

[gonzosgirrl]

https://www.themarysue.com/interview-supernatural-showrunner-andrew-dabb/

Wow, if he's trying to be funny, he's failing. If he's not... wow. What an idiot.

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No, I think that, you know when you’re writing a writer—there’s a real danger to making it too authorial, if that makes sense. And we really wanted to ground this in, again, ‘Chuck’s a character.’ He’s not meant to be me or anyone else on this staff. He’s meant to be a character we’ve created over a number of years.

And the type of writer he is, I don’t think that’s a very good type of writer … A good writer will tell you that if you write good enough characters they’ll go their own way and talk to you themselves. And we’ve seen that on Supernatural with Sam and Dean over the years.  I think Chuck is the kind of writer who just wants his characters to do what he wants them to do and he gets frustrated when they – because they have a little bit of agency – kind of refuse.

So I don’t think he’s a particularly good writer. I would like to think that all but one of us on the show are good writers, so I don’t think he’s an accurate representation.

Did you say all but one of you? Are you the one?

You know what, I’m going to let twitter decide.

Edited October 17, 2019 by gonzosgirrl

[Casseiopeia]

22 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

 He’s not meant to be me.

And the type of writer he is, I don’t think that’s a very good type of writer

I think Dabb is mistaken here. Chuck in his version is very much him.

23 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

I would like to think that all but one of us on the show are good writers,

What the actual F**k. He said that in an interview! Where people could read it! So much for the "no drama" reputation of Supernatural.  So far Dabb's scripts have been the absolute worst. And that includes the Duo.

[Aeryn13]

Wow, that interview is super-spoilery:

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So what the heck is wrong with Sam (Jared Padalecki) and his injury from the equalizer. Will that continue to be a quite literal thorn in his side?

It will be, yes. And I think we’ll kind of dive in more as the season go on in terms of…it awakens some things in Sam that have been dormant for a long time and puts him into contact with a very prominent character in a way that will allow him to understand said character – God – a little bit and kind of get some insight in to God’s – for lack of a better phrase – creative process.

So visions come back and he sees how Chuck goes about writing his stories. Hopefully, no other powers.

Episode 10 is a meta episode about the brothers` role as heroes.

Michael and Adam have fallen in love in the Cage. Well, just about.

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You mentioned at SDCC that we were going to see Amara back. If we’re going to see Sam’s connection to God are we going to see more of Dean’s connection to Amara?

I think when Amara makes her triumphant return…she’s more focused on herself than Dean Winchester. But certainly the Dean-Amara connection is something that exists and is something that we will explore later in the season.

We will see.

[ILoveReading]

32 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:

Wow, that interview is super-spoilery:

So visions come back and he sees how Chuck goes about writing his stories. Hopefully, no other powers.

Episode 10 is a meta episode about the brothers` role as heroes.

Michael and Adam have fallen in love in the Cage. Well, just about.

We will see.

I'll believe it only when I see it.