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S10.E06: Baby's First Move

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The planned move becomes more difficult than it had been originally anticipated, and Jeff must work with Gage to compensate for Monroe's need for naps and feeding, but in the wake of the relocation process, the three establish a routine.

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SunnyBeBe

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So, we are supposed to believe that this move to a new house has vitalized a formerly toxic relationship?  lol  So bizarre.  News bulletin Jeff, "Wherever you go...there you are."   I kind of get why he likes to move, but, his delusion that moving makes everything better is rather absurd.   And his vision of Gage in the picture in 3 years....sorry, but, I don't buy it at all.  I think it's an act. 

Last night really made me feel uncomfortable with the way Gage and Jeff parent Monroe.  I hate to say it, but, I really think they need more professional guidance.  Something is just really weird there.  It's almost scary.  I don't believe what Gage said about the breathing thing.  Breathholding  is not as common with infants as toddlers, butit does happen. From what I have read, it's not dangerous and is best handled without too much attention.  Here's a link:

http://www.nytimes.com/health/guides/disease/breath-holding-spell/overview.html

I wonder if Jeff and Gage would consider allowing Monroe to stay with grandparents or aunts and uncles for a couple of days without any interference from Jeff and Gage. I'd be curious as to how she would do without them around.  I suspect better.

I liked the idea of taking on the mansion in Florida.  That was hilarious.  How would that work though?  Jeff flies to FL during the week and returns on the weekends? That would be perfect. lol 

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Writing Wrongs

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When Jackie was listing her rooms and their purposes, you could almost see Jeff's eyes glazing over. I get that you are super rich, but that it just ridiculous.

I've never heard a baby scream like that and that often. Is that normal?

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Sprockets

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17 minutes ago, Writing Wrongs said:

I've never heard a baby scream like that and that often. Is that normal?

No, it isn't.  I would take that baby to every pediatric specialist on the planet.  She is obviously in a world of pain.  

This episode was meh.  Everything's fine now, we moved back to Hollywood and once we even went for a walk, nothing to see here.  All the issues of longstanding verbal abuse, simmering hostilities, etc. just gone.  Poof.  

As if.  

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bichonblitz

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1 hour ago, SunnyBeBe said:

So, we are supposed to believe that this move to a new house has vitalized a formerly toxic relationship?  lol  So bizarre. 

I kind of feel like we've been duped. I mean really, the relationship was falling apart to point of being unwatchable for 3 episodes and all of a sudden last night all is well. We're not idiots.  So if all that relationship drama was for a storyline, then Jeff is a sell out.  

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Sprockets

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1 hour ago, walnutqueen said:

The planned move becomes more difficult than it had been originally anticipated, and Jeff must work with Gage to compensate for Monroe's need for naps and feeding, but in the wake of the relocation process, the three establish a routine.

The show aired more than 12 hours before this thread was posted.  

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QuinnM

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I don't believe what Gage said about the breathing thing.  Breathholding  is not as common with infants as toddlers, butit does happen. 

I interpreted this a little different.  He was saying to blow on the baby's face.  So some people say that when a baby gets in a state like that they can't catch their breath.  Blowing on the baby's face triggers them to hold their breath.  This interupts the crying and that gets them breathing normally.  I've actually seen someone use it after being told about by their pediatrician.  Her poor baby would cry until he actually turned blue.  Weird but true.

Also turns out that the crazy lady in Florida has a new reality show.

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SunnyBeBe

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No, I don't believe the story about how now Gage and Jeff are just fine.  Just don't buy it. 

I agree about the baby.  I really am concerned as to what the core problem is.  Is it the parent's anxiety and over diligent doting causing Monroe anxiety? Is it a medical or neurological problem with the child?  I don't know, but, if things aren't addressed......I can't even imagine what lies ahead.  

Also, if a dog bites, it doesn't need to be around a child.  Period.  Putting a baby's face within striking distance of a dog who bites is a very risky move.  I swear, they are super foolish over some things and out to lunch on others.  And Gage, running through yellowish/'red lights so the baby won't cry. I think the baby would suffer more from being Tboned in an intersection than having the car slow down.  Honesly......they really do need help.  I hope someone does intervene.  I normally keep an open mind on these things.  I hope someone is trying to intervene on Monroe's behalf. 

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Sprockets

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12 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Also, if a dog bites, it doesn't need to be around a child.  Period.  Putting a baby's face within striking distance of a dog who bites is a very risky move.  I swear, they are super foolish over some things and out to lunch on others. 

 

They can't have a biting dog around clients, workers or the baby.  A muzzle, at the very least.  

 

12 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

 

And Gage, running through yellowish/'red lights so the baby won't cry. I think the baby would suffer more from being Tboned in an intersection than having the car slow down.  Honesly......they really do need help.  I hope someone does intervene.  I normally keep an open mind on these things.  I hope someone is trying to intervene on Monroe's behalf. 

Good points.  Gage is making some bad decisions.  

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SunnyBeBe

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I know that they must have access to the county's best medical care for Monroe, but,  I wonder if they have really considered that this may not just be colic, reflux or a cranky baby?  Has anyone heard of

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anti-NMDA Receptor Encephalitis? I saw it featured on a show called Something is Killing Me.  VERY shocking condition that effects the autoimmune system. It causes strange behavior.  It doesn't occur in babies, much, but is possible, based on what I have read.  I hope they consult with a neurologist just to rule things out.  The child won't have a normal life, if this continues.  

I put that in spoiler, just to be on the safe side. 

And Jenny saying that Monroe is intense because Jeff is.......the degree that we are seeing is much more than that, imo. 

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StayingAfterSunday

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1 hour ago, SunnyBeBe said:

No, I don't believe the story about how now Gage and Jeff are just fine.  Just don't buy it. 

I agree about the baby.  I really am concerned as to what the core problem is.  Is it the parent's anxiety and over diligent doting causing Monroe anxiety? Is it a medical or neurological problem with the child?  I don't know, but, if things aren't addressed......I can't even imagine what lies ahead.  

Also, if a dog bites, it doesn't need to be around a child.  Period.  Putting a baby's face within striking distance of a dog who bites is a very risky move.  I swear, they are super foolish over some things and out to lunch on others.  And Gage, running through yellowish/'red lights so the baby won't cry. I think the baby would suffer more from being Tboned in an intersection than having the car slow down.  Honesly......they really do need help.  I hope someone does intervene.  I normally keep an open mind on these things.  I hope someone is trying to intervene on Monroe's behalf. 

No, I don't believe it, either, Sunnybebe.   

With respect to Monroe's problem, I noticed Jeff referred to her as "high needs."  Yes, that description certainly seems to fit. Nervous systems vary widely and it could be that she has inherited her father's high-strung temperament.  On the other hand, she may just have an abundance of energy and curiosity which may bloom into something positive: A passion for living, perhaps?  Enviable, to say the least.  There are all sorts of in-between explanations, too, including the effect her parents, particularly Gage, may be having on her.  Children, even infants, possess a keen sensitivity to the moods and emotions of those around them.  As others have noted, Gage's hair-trigger responses every time the baby so much as whimpers may serve to make things worse, not better. 

Will Monroe's "high needs" manifest into something requiring medical attention? It's anyone's guess since neurological problems and emotional issues often go undiagnosed until a child enters school.  Take, for instance, autism, with the most recent data available showing Los Angeles as the county with the highest numbers in the state of California.  http://www.autismsocietyca.org/autism-increase.html  Of course, even bringing this subject into the discussion with respect to a little baby may be viewed as premature, but it's worth a mention, from a general perspective, because of the increase in autism cases, from one year to the next, nationwide.  

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mirrorrim

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So, their baby is super sensitive to noise during nap time (or anytime really it seems). So let's move her into the house first and then move everything else in while she's sleeping. Great plan! I hope that was just dumb drama played up for the show. Why not pack her room last and leave the nanny there to watch her while they move?? I thought a major lesson they learned is that they can't work or remodel while she is in the house, so they are moving, but really they are just repeating the problem in a new location.

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dianagerace

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1 hour ago, QuinnM said:

I interpreted this a little different.  He was saying to blow on the baby's face.  So some people say that when a baby gets in a state like that they can't catch their breath.  Blowing on the baby's face triggers them to hold their breath.  This interupts the crying and that gets them breathing normally.  

Yes, I used this trick with my kids when they were younger and it definitely works.

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Sprockets

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10 minutes ago, dleighg said:

 

I thought Jenni looked so "fruitful" in this episode. Pregnancy really does change the body doesn't it!

 

I thought so too.  She looked like she was having a hard time in the past with the fertility treatments, stress, etc.  But in this episode she looked radiant.  

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Sprockets

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3 hours ago, nokat said:

That baby is in so much pain.  Doctors are sh*t at diagnosing problems, they tell you it's colic, reflux etc.

Exactly.  No one -baby or adult - should be in so much pain.  Jeff and Gge should take recordings, etc. along with the baby to a pediatric specialist.  A top top person - not just a normal pediatrician.  

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Rosebud1970

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16 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

I kind of feel like we've been duped. I mean really, the relationship was falling apart to point of being unwatchable for 3 episodes and all of a sudden last night all is well. We're not idiots.  So if all that relationship drama was for a storyline, then Jeff is a sell out.  

And this is my shocked face.

 

Of course Jeff is a sellout. It's his stock in trade.

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Fostersmom

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17 hours ago, Writing Wrongs said:

 

I've never heard a baby scream like that and that often. Is that normal?

My nephew screamed like that as a baby for a bit. Turned out he was lactose intolerant and until he went on a lactose free formula, the screaming was horrible. He wasn't anywhere near as old as Monroe is though before it was figured out though. 

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bichonblitz

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19 hours ago, stewedsquash said:

I agree, and it is how their relationship works for them

It  may be working for Jeff because I see him being this way in any relationship he would be in and he has all the power. Not so sure it's working for Gage.  

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Lady Writer

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Given how much of an animal lover Jeff is, I wonder if he was disturbed by the treatment of the animals in Queen of Versailles. Despite Jeff's many issues with his treatment of humans, he makes sure his animals are well taken care of.

I'm not convinced about Jackie's family having all their money back; they don't seem to have made much progress on the house since the film. I can't believe she and her husband are still together -- their relationship came off worse than Jeff and Gage's.

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I'm not convinced about Jackie's family having all their money back;

I question this also. Many businesses have not recovered from the recession. Although Jeff or someone else referred to David Siegel as a real estate developer, the documentary left me with the impression that Siegel made his fortune in time-shares/resorts. Are consumers really spending their hard-earned cash in time shares these days? Maybe Siegel branched out elsewhere, but it doesn't seem that enough time has passed for them to be rolling in massive amounts of dough again. He's known for making exaggerated claims; they strike me as self-promoting hustlers. I bet they don't intend to use Jeff - just appear on his show.

I haven't forgotten how they allowed one of their children's pets to starve to death. I think it was a caged snake sitting in clear view in a child's bedroom. Besides cruelty, that indicates some major dysfunction going on.

Jeff is aligning himself with some trashy folks.

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On 9/24/2017 at 10:38 AM, pasdetrois said:

I question this also. Many businesses have not recovered from the recession. Although Jeff or someone else referred to David Siegel as a real estate developer, the documentary left me with the impression that Siegel made his fortune in time-shares/resorts. Are consumers really spending their hard-earned cash in time shares these days? Maybe Siegel branched out elsewhere, but it doesn't seem that enough time has passed for them to be rolling in massive amounts of dough again. He's known for making exaggerated claims; they strike me as self-promoting hustlers. I bet they don't intend to use Jeff - just appear on his show.

I haven't forgotten how they allowed one of their children's pets to starve to death. I think it was a caged snake sitting in clear view in a child's bedroom. Besides cruelty, that indicates some major dysfunction going on.

Jeff is aligning himself with some trashy folks.

Sadly I know from experience that the answer is yes..... I get the lovely inheritance gift of a timeshare when my parents pass.  ughhhhh

Now, it works great right now... we get to go on some really nice vacations and don't have to smash into a regular hotel room but i know my parents have spent a pretty penny on it and every time they say "no more" they get roped into more. 

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StayingAfterSunday

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On 9/22/2017 at 10:29 PM, NYCFree said:

I turned to my son and thanked him for being a relatively easy baby. Toddler and kid years were a different story, but at least he eased us into it.

It was a relief to see her cooing and laughing normally.

Yes, I know how you feel.

As for Monroe, she may simply be a high-energy, intelligent person like Jeff.  Don't know much about her biological mother's personal traits, etc

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Bossa Nova

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Remember, they are being filmed at the height of their FIRST time parenting with little Monroe - with all their angst, questions, mistakes, and dramas . While I watch this current series, I keep thinking that in real time, baby Monroe is soon approaching her first birthday (Oct 2017) and how joy filled that must be for Jeff & Gage to enjoy her newest chapter. They will all be okay. They want the best for her. 

So moving and sweet to see how Gage is so dear and nurturing with her. It comes natural for him. I think he shows Jeff the parenting *way*.   

They will be fine. 

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goodbyeglittergirl

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My second child screamed just like Monroe for the first 10 months of her life. She had a bad case of GERD that medicine wouldn't touch, diet changes wouldn't touch,  sleeping positions wouldn't touch, etc. She finally grew out of it, but it was miserable. My oldest kid was 20 months when she was born so I was an exhausted wreck all of the time with a very unsupportive, traveling, work-focused husband. I am convinced that the 12 months after our second child arrived are what sealed the deal on us eventually getting a divorce (in the middle of that now, 8 years later.)

Honestly, I have a hard time watching this current season because the dysfunction between the two of them is huge and while it's clear they love that baby, the lack of teamwork (that we can see - I'm aware this could be an edit) is killing me. They have the resources to have all of this help - surely they could do better?

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Emmeline

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I hope that Bravo isn’t thinking of doing a spinoff staring Jackie Siegel.  I had seen the movie The Queen of Versailles and it was disgusting.  The house they lived in then was filthy.  Full of dog poop, dead animals and bugs.  The kids are an afterthought.  The sex room, really!

 

I am am surprised they were able to recoup their losses after pretty much going broke.  Her husband will be dead before that silly mansion is finished and she will never be able to sell it.  Really, who needs a bowling alley or skating rink.  She should sell all that junk in the warehouse and give to money to the needy.  

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jvr

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My mother has said that I had colic as a baby and that I screamed my head off for like 6-8 months. My mother didn't know what to do and her mother told her to just put my ass in my crib and close the door and let me scream because there was nothing she could do about it. It was better to let me scream myself into exhaustion than she try and calm me all the time, grow frustrated, lose her mind and shake me to death one day. I am forever grateful to my grandmother because obviously I survived. lol I might show my mother one of these episodes and see if she thinks I sounded as bad as Monroe, it might trigger some nightmares though.

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