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S01.E11: All In

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statsgirl

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They've screwed up Liam/Jillian so much, I'd rather he dump her ungrateful ass than see what the proposal is.

12 hours ago, CooperTV said:

Grace and Harris must forge an alliance when their children’s lives are in jeopardy.

Isn't the entire world also in jeopardy?*  Including Grace and Harris?  Why does it make it so special because it's their children?

*I know the bits of the asteroid are supposed to land in Russia only but a crash that big would throw up particulates into the atmosphere and threaten the food stability of the whole world. This show is so stupid now.

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On ‎8‎/‎31‎/‎2017 at 1:29 AM, shapeshifter said:

If the entire populace is presumably so zoned in on TMZ that none have noticed the asteroid, do they really deserve to be alarmed?

With these characters?  Definitely a no, the asteroid can't come fast enough tbh.

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AnimeMania

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Why did Dylan need Harris to bail him out of jail if he was such a big bad hacker? Best throw away joke: Claire sitting in the Oval Office with her feet in shoes on the couch. Something tells me that Nicholas Tanz is not ready to kiss and make-up. Why did Harris have to come to Grace's house to tell her that Zoe would be OK, didn't they drive back home together? I wonder if Harris got his gun back?

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Suzysite

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Ronnie from Schitt's Creek is Liam's adopted mom!  That made my night.    Jillian...still ugh.   

So 6 of the hackers got blown up?  Not nice.  I'd think they'd have all gotten word to run.

Walternate is super creepy.   I delighted in his panic when he thought Darius might crash the plane. 

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orza

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3 hours ago, Suzysite said:

Ronnie from Schitt's Creek is Liam's adopted mom!  That made my night.    Jillian...still ugh.   

So 6 of the hackers got blown up?  Not nice.  I'd think they'd have all gotten word to run.

Walternate is super creepy.   I delighted in his panic when he thought Darius might crash the plane. 

Well, Harris warned his son. It was up to Dylan to tell everyone else to get out of the warehouse. Apparently, he didn't.

John Noble's phony accent is annoying. I've never liked him in anything I've seen him in and have come to the conclusion that he is one of these overrated actors who often doesn't live up to his reputation and is coasting on a few good performances from bygone days.

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40 minutes ago, orza said:

Well, Harris warned his son. It was up to Dylan to tell everyone else to get out of the warehouse. Apparently, he didn't.

John Noble's phony accent is annoying. I've never liked him in anything I've seen him in and have come to the conclusion that he is one of these overrated actors who often doesn't live up to his reputation and is coasting on a few good performances from bygone days.

Noble's problem is that he's essentially playing the same character since Fringe so it becomes typecast.

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bioprof

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Jillian.....can.....not......stand....!  They also have totAlly discarded science. A planet destroying body in space STILL undetectable?    Not buying it....what a disappointment . I had high hopes but,  no more. 

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thuganomics85

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Positive first: the actress playing Liam's mom was fantastic and almost made their mainly unbearable scenes worth it.  But it was so obvious that they weren't going to go through with the marriage, because it clearly did smack of desperation instead of true love, so it was a case of waiting for them to get it through their thick heads (and, naturally, Jillian is the first to realize this, because while annoying, she isn't as thick as Liam is.)  Although I spent the majority of this plot just thinking if they really wanted to complete something off their "bucket list", they should have at least tried to ask Darius if he has Neil Degrasse Tyson on speed dial, because knowing the connections he has, it really wouldn't have been surprising.

So, Darius is already the CEO again, after taking Nicholas up a plane ride, and then suddenly shutting the engine off and forcing Nicholas to confess who "broke his heart" and made him the smug Grinch he is.  Nicholas confesses it was Darius' mother and now they've agreed to some kind of partnership.... for now!  Also, Darius and Tess kiss, but they now claim the moment isn't right.  Whatever.

President Bennett's first order of business is to bring the down the hacker group, but after Harris finds out his son is involved, he talks to him and warns them. But it seems like that might not have been enough, since at least six of them still die (unless the hacker group faked it, I guess.)  Also, Zoe/Grace's daughter is somewhere else, now?  So confused.

Obnoxious reporter still being obnoxious...

I guess the astroid's still heading towards Earth, even though no one really seemed that concerned about it in this episode.  Or, really, the past few. 

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Llywela

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On 9/7/2017 at 3:52 AM, Souris said:

Darius and Tess are totally Liam's bio parents, right? She was pregnant when Darius left her, right?

The dates are wrong. Liam is in his 20s. We haven't been told how old Darius and Tess are, but both actors are in their 30s. Darius and Tess split up 15 years ago (their relationship would have been while Darius was at MIT, having known one another years earlier as children). For them to be Liam's parents, they'd have had to be teenagers - and Darius was in England during his school years.

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laserlady

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1 hour ago, Llywela said:

The dates are wrong. Liam is in his 20s. We haven't been told how old Darius and Tess are, but both actors are in their 30s. Darius and Tess split up 15 years ago (their relationship would have been while Darius was at MIT, having known one another years earlier as children). For them to be Liam's parents, they'd have had to be teenagers - and Darius was in England during his school years.

That's a good point, but I wouldn't count on logic, math, or continuity ruling out any possible plot twists on this show.

I've missed a few episodes along the way, which makes the relationship switcheroos even more confusing than they might otherwise be.  Last I remembered, Jillian was totally on the outs with Liam, so I was super confused when she confessed her deep love for him.  Where is this coming from?  Same with Zoe's sudden strong hostility towards her mother.  And Harris and Grace seem to have moved on pretty quickly for a couple who were supposedly so much in love a few weeks ago (or days? what's our timeline here?).  The people on this show are very confusing.  Like Liam's professor, who was a Russian mole  because --- um, the show needed a mole at that moment, I guess.  I think the people on this show make even less sense than the science, and that's saying something.

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Llywela

Llywela

12 hours ago, laserlady said:

And Harris and Grace seem to have moved on pretty quickly for a couple who were supposedly so much in love a few weeks ago (or days? what's our timeline here?).

We were told the timeline explicitly in this episode. Liam told his mother that he's known Jillian for 56 days. We saw him meet her for the first time on the night he found out about the asteroid, right at the start of the show. Therefore it has been 56 days in the show's timeline.

The characterisation and character developments all make sense to me, despite the shakiness of the writing, but I've seen every episode. If you've missed a few, then it's no wonder you can't follow the story, because you've missed all the developments that took us from there to here. Harris and Grace's relationship has been falling apart ever since Harris had Darius arrested and tortured - the trust has been eroding steadily ever since, helped along its way by a whole series of developments which contrived to make Harris look shady.

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MVFrostsMyPie

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I know this is way too superficial, but Jillian's face is just so... square. 

I laughed a lot during this episode although I'm not sure that was their intention. I got into this show because yay, asteroid!!! Wish they'd get back to more of the asteroid stuff. Can the asteroid hurry up and come kill everyone? 

Also, Liam/Jillian's almost-marriage ain't got nothing on Leelee Sobieski/Elijah Wood's marriage in Deep Impact. 

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shapeshifter

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Only slightly less superficial: I finally realized why Jennifer Finnegan doesn't look pregnant to me in her role as Grace; her face doesn't have that chubby quality that many of us get when pg, even those of us who never gained any extra weight. Part of it is just Finnegan's bone structure, but kudos also to the makeup artist for knowing to create subtle cheekbone shadows to avoid the appearance of pregnancy in her face, and also for perhaps toning down the equally common pg "glow."

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Rachel RSL

Rachel RSL

Oh my God, I finally got around to watching this crapfest and I'm pretty sure I just set a new world record for how many times someone can roll their eyes over the course of an hour. I can't believe they didn't actually fall out of my head. You know that old theory about how if you give 100 monkeys typewriters and let them hit random keys long enough, eventually they'll type a novel? It's happened. They write this show.  

Every time I think this show can't get more ridiculous, they prove me wrong. The stupid plot twists just keep on coming. OF COURSE Uncle Fucker was in love with Mama Tanz. OF COURSE Liam was abandoned by a random teenage girl (who will eventually turn out to be Tess or Wonder Woman or something equally stupid). OF COURSE Annoying Reporter Girl can get her hands on the top secret speech that nobody else was allowed to see. OF COURSE the government's top priority is to blow up an entire building rather than just send in a team to arrest a bunch of computer geeks.

7 hours ago, Llywela said:

If you've missed a few, then it's no wonder you can't follow the story, because you've missed all the developments that took us from there to here. 

I've also seen every second of every episode and if people can't follow the story it's because the writers (monkeys) can't make up their minds and change their characters' personalities every single episode. Darius is in love with Grace! No, Darius is in love with Tess! No, Darius is Kelly Taylor and he chooses himself! Harris is straight up by-the-book. No, Harris is going to sneak around and warn the hackers! Zoe is kind of a flower child who wants to see the world. No, Zoe is a moody emo teen who hates her mom and wants to fight the power! I could go on and on.

Seriously. 100 monkeys. (Or should I go old school TWoP and say: Seriously. [monkey])

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statsgirl

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On 9/7/2017 at 6:20 PM, thuganomics85 said:

Positive first: the actress playing Liam's mom was fantastic and almost made their mainly unbearable scenes worth it.

I agree about Karen Robinson.  And as good as she is, it's still tough for her to get jobs, and even then the show gets cancelled (King).  It's a tough profession.

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dangwoodchucks

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On 9/9/2017 at 0:07 AM, Rachel RSL said:

 

Every time I think this show can't get more ridiculous, they prove me wrong. The stupid plot twists just keep on coming. OF COURSE Uncle Fucker was in love with Mama Tanz. OF COURSE Liam was abandoned by a random teenage girl (who will eventually turn out to be Tess or Wonder Woman or something equally stupid). OF COURSE Annoying Reporter Girl can get her hands on the top secret speech that nobody else was allowed to see. OF COURSE the government's top priority is to blow up an entire building rather than just send in a team to arrest a bunch of computer geeks.

I've also seen every second of every episode and if people can't follow the story it's because the writers (monkeys) can't make up their minds and change their characters' personalities every single episode. Darius is in love with Grace! No, Darius is in love with Tess! No, Darius is Kelly Taylor and he chooses himself! Harris is straight up by-the-book. No, Harris is going to sneak around and warn the hackers! Zoe is kind of a flower child who wants to see the world. No, Zoe is a moody emo teen who hates her mom and wants to fight the power! I could go on and on.

Seriously. 100 monkeys. (Or should I go old school TWoP and say: Seriously. [monkey])

Uncle Fucker. I love it!

Up until this episode, no matter how much my eyes rolled I let the show play during Liam and Jillian crap. However, when Liam pulled out the water guns at the park I couldn't find the FF button fast enough. And I used it every second either of those two were onscreen.

That must have been the quickest audit in the history of accounting. It was also done very prettily from a comfy sofa with a few files sitting around. What's the matter, did they blow the prop budget on Liam and Jillian's toys?

Why couldn't Annoying Reporter Girl have been visiting the hacker group when their building was blown up?

Team Asteroid!

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Rachel RSL

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13 hours ago, dangwoodchucks said:

However, when Liam pulled out the water guns at the park I couldn't find the FF button fast enough. And I used it every second either of those two were onscreen.

I did the exact same thing.  I cannot put into words how little I care about that relationship.

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BlueRaja77

BlueRaja77

On 9/7/2017 at 7:21 PM, Suzysite said:

I'm not sure what John Noble's actual accent is.   I believe he's an Aussie who plays Americans, so it's pretty much a mishmash.

 

On 9/7/2017 at 5:05 PM, orza said:

Well, Harris warned his son. It was up to Dylan to tell everyone else to get out of the warehouse. Apparently, he didn't.

John Noble's phony accent is annoying. I've never liked him in anything I've seen him in and have come to the conclusion that he is one of these overrated actors who often doesn't live up to his reputation and is coasting on a few good performances from bygone days.

It sounds like he may be attempting a Welsh accent. That is consistent with the Tanz family being British. Maybe Nicholas and Darius's father were Welsh but lived in England and raised Darius in England before moving to America. And then brought him back to England for his education. So Nicholas and his brother are Welsh, Darius is English, and therefore they are all British :)

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Llywela

Llywela

7 minutes ago, BlueRaja77 said:

 

It sounds like he may be attempting a Welsh accent. That is consistent with the Tanz family being British. Maybe Nicholas and Darius's father were Welsh but lived in England and raised Darius in England before moving to America. And then brought him back to England for his education. So Nicholas and his brother are Welsh, Darius is English, and therefore they are all British :)

Yeah, no. I'm Welsh. Whatever accent Nicholas Tanz is supposed to have, it is not Welsh. Could be an attempt at German, which ties in better with the family name - maybe the Tanz brothers were German originally and settled in England, where Darius was then born.

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Lebanna

Lebanna

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7 hours ago, Llywela said:

Yeah, no. I'm Welsh. Whatever accent Nicholas Tanz is supposed to have, it is not Welsh. Could be an attempt at German, which ties in better with the family name - maybe the Tanz brothers were German originally and settled in England, where Darius was then born.

I also get the impression that the accent was meant to be Welsh, it's just that unfortunately, (and I loved John Noble in LOTR and Fringe) it's just not very good. 

I mean, good on the guy for at least trying it, even if it didn't actually work. I think he was probably just aiming to bring some Welsh representation to the show in his own way, to do something different and remind the world that British is not always just English, which I do appreciate. And it's still way better than my sad attempts at an Aussie accent.

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Llywela

Llywela

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9 hours ago, Lebanna said:

I also get the impression that the accent was meant to be Welsh, it's just that unfortunately, (and I loved John Noble in LOTR and Fringe) it's just not very good. 

I mean, good on the guy for at least trying it, even if it didn't actually work. I think he was probably just aiming to bring some Welsh representation to the show in his own way, to do something different and remind the world that British is not always just English, which I do appreciate. And it's still way better than my sad attempts at an Aussie accent.

Again, I am Welsh. Trust me when I say that whatever accent Nicholas is attempting, it is European, not Welsh - it isn't just a bad attempt at Welsh, it isn't Welsh at all. The family name is Germanic, not Welsh (tanz means dance in German - and they did make a big thing about Darius and dancing; Welsh doesn't even have the letter z). Darius was born in England, we know that much, and he described his parents as English (not Welsh - attempting to raise the profile of the Celtic fringe only works if you actually say it). His family background, however, is far more likely to be Germanic than Welsh.

Of course, with Nicholas having such an odd accent and Darius having called his parents English, it would have been nice if the show had clarified...but then again, they were clumsy enough with the exposition as it was, without attempting such fine detail! Failing that, by far the most likely explanation is that the Tanz brothers moved to England from the continent and took British citizenship, in much the same way that Darius seems to now have US citizenship, but didn't quite ever shed their accents - just as Darius hasn't lost his.

ETA actually, the most likely explanation of all is that Darius was originally intended to be American, the son of a European migrant - with Nicholas designed accordingly - but then they cast Cabrera, who is South American by birth but spent his formative years in England, and fell in love with his accent, and amended Darius's backstory to accommodate the English accent rather than ask him to play American.

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Lebanna

Lebanna

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Well, I bow to your greater knowledge of Wales and all things not Welsh, being native, as I only spent some of my weekends and holidays there with family growing up, so I am no expert in these matters.

Anyway, I had a quick google and John Noble has done a Welsh accent in the past, in a small film called 'Risen' set in Merthyr Tydfil, but I could only find a three second clip of him doing the accent, so can't really judge if it's the same one - to do so would be unfair. And I am never sitting through a boxing movie.

But, coincidentally, apparently Noble is actually back in Wales right now for Welsh Comic Con. So maybe someone there could ask him what the hell that accent was actually meant to be in this show.

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Miles

Miles

On 8.9.2017 at 7:34 AM, Llywela said:

The dates are wrong. Liam is in his 20s. We haven't been told how old Darius and Tess are, but both actors are in their 30s. Darius and Tess split up 15 years ago (their relationship would have been while Darius was at MIT, having known one another years earlier as children). For them to be Liam's parents, they'd have had to be teenagers - and Darius was in England during his school years.

Late 30s. 37 and 39 respectively. Since we are talking a teenage mother here, it would actually line up perfectly, if we assume Liam is 20-21, like his actor is. Then Tess would have had him at 16.

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Llywela

Llywela

22 minutes ago, Miles said:

Late 30s. 37 and 39 respectively. Since we are talking a teenage mother here, it would actually line up perfectly, if we assume Liam is 20-21, like his actor is. Then Tess would have had him at 16.

I guess I just don't see why everyone is so anxious to prove this to be a thing. It would be such an awful soap opera contrivance, for a show that already has too many contrivances. I want the show to be better than that. So until such time as the show (ridiculously) decides to go there, I'm not going to be convinced by this theory.

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Miles

Miles

1 minute ago, Llywela said:

It would be such an awful soap opera contrivance

And that's why we think it's true. I mean have you seen the rest of the writing on this show?

 

2 minutes ago, Llywela said:

So until such time as the show (ridiculously) decides to go there, I'm not going to be convinced by this theory.

I admire your conviction to see the best in people. I'm far more cynical than that.

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