S09.E13: A Bronx Tale

[BBHN]

I thought your point was someone on not here knowing or having heard of a "celebrity" wasn't a reliable metric of someone's fame.

And I never said among viewers of the franchise, or certain strata, I meant Americans as a whole. Tinsley, regardless of however many people within certain circles knew who she was, just didn't have the public recognition that Bethenny, Luann, and Ramona seem to have. So people claiming that they had no idea who Tinsley was prior to this show isn't all that shocking. Whatever fame and celebrity she may have had in the past, outside of possibly New York and certain areas of Florida probably pales in comparison to what the HWs have and are experiencing.

[LIMOM]

45 minutes ago, CatMomma said:

There is also a lot of shame. Abused women are made to feel stupid or partially responsible for the abuse. In almost every case, there are people who say, "Why didn't she leave?" It becomes the victim's fault even more than the abuser. There is always a small part of Tinsley that will blame herself, to the point where she will question her judgment in many other aspects of her life.

Yes, most of the women have been publicly embarrased by a significant other, but physical abuse is a whole other level of humiliation. I am sure they thought they were helping, but there is a time to shut up. 

Truth has been spoken. Thank you!

[lunastartron]

9 minutes ago, BBHN said:

I thought your point was someone on not here knowing or having heard of a "celebrity" wasn't a reliable metric of someone's fame.

And I never said among viewers of the franchise, or certain strata, I meant Americans as a whole. Tinsley, regardless of however many people within certain circles knew who she was, just didn't have the public recognition that Bethenny, Luann, and Ramona seem to have. So people claiming that they had no idea who Tinsley was prior to this show isn't all that shocking. Whatever fame and celebrity she may have had in the past, outside of possibly New York and certain areas of Florida probably pales in comparison to what the HWs have and are experiencing.

I was responding to the contention that Tinsley was making it public by discussing it on the show, which was presented in the context the poster would never have heard of her or the abuse otherwise.

That IMO does not follow; the abuse/arrest were already broadly public. Tinsley addressing it on the series does not mean it wasn't already widely known. 

Edited July 1, 2017 by lunastartron

[BBHN]

Their contention was that they wouldn't have known about Tinsley's and her abuse had she not appeared on the show.

Apparently it was not widely known as more than a few people on these and other forums had no idea who Tinsley was, to say nothing of not knowing about her abuse, prior to her joining the show.

Just because something was in the public media, that doesn't necessarily mean that information had been disseminated to the masses.

No IMO from my end either.

[lunastartron]

5 minutes ago, BBHN said:

Their contention was that they wouldn't have known about Tinsley's and her abuse had she not appeared on the show.

Apparently it was not widely known as more than a few people on these and other forums had no idea who Tinsley was, to say nothing of not knowing about her abuse, prior to her joining the show.

Just because something was in the public media, that doesn't necessarily mean that information had been disseminated to the masses.

No IMO from my end either.

So the barometer for whether or something is widely known or not is whether the posters on Previously.TV are familiar with the details? 

Tinsley is not making information public by referencing information ... that is already public. Her humiliation on the show at the publicity her arrest garnered isn't contradictory because the cat was out of the bag as far as her milieu and those to whom she is known were concerned. 

[BBHN]

I said these and other forums, not just the PTV.

The information is public. it is just not as widely known. Her milieu and those to whom she is known is just a much smaller pool than it was before she joined the show.

[Martinigirl]

Tinsley is the one bragging about her popularity...I never knew who she was until RHONY.   

Tinsley also comes across (imo) as using the victim story to distract from the arrest story. 

Edited July 1, 2017 by Martinigirl

[Duke2801]

17 hours ago, BckpckFullaNinjas said:

...sigh....insert obligatory "I'm no good at maths". crack here!!! Thanks. ;-/

Ha I am notoriously wretched at math myself! No judgement here. ?

[Mannahatta]

I was struck by how all the women started to talk over Tinsley just as she was expressing her vulnerabilities. No matter what they said to or about her- the point is they weren't really listening to her. They all needed to be in control. I'm of the opinion that they perceive her as being weak and dependent and that's what struck a collective raw nerve. True or not; the one thing these women pride themselves on is projecting strength.  And since they refuse to acknowledge their own vulnerabilities Tinsley probably represents all their inner fears. I actually think Tinsley is a great addition to the cast. She's stuck in the past on so many levels and it's fascinating to watch her try to grow.  I'm rooting for her. And at least she's not bitchy.

[Martinigirl]

I kinda hope they Clip Clip Clip her after this season

[motorcitymom65]

1 hour ago, BBHN said:

I thought your point was someone on not here knowing or having heard of a "celebrity" wasn't a reliable metric of someone's fame.

And I never said among viewers of the franchise, or certain strata, I meant Americans as a whole. Tinsley, regardless of however many people within certain circles knew who she was, just didn't have the public recognition that Bethenny, Luann, and Ramona seem to have. So people claiming that they had no idea who Tinsley was prior to this show isn't all that shocking. Whatever fame and celebrity she may have had in the past, outside of possibly New York and certain areas of Florida probably pales in comparison to what the HWs have and are experiencing.

I had never heard of her before this show. 

1 hour ago, lunastartron said:

I was responding to the contention that Tinsley was making it public by discussing it on the show, which was presented in the context the poster would never have heard of her or the abuse otherwise.

That IMO does not follow; the abuse/arrest were already broadly public. Tinsley addressing it on the series does not mean it wasn't already widely known. 

To an extent, that is true. When I heard she was on the show, I looked her up (last November or December). I thought that she was someone who had made a poor decision in the guy she fell in love with. I didn't see any of the articles about her being the victim of abuse, because a lot of them didn't talk about that. Mostly I read about her arrest and thought she was kind of a dumb ass. Now I know differently, but only because of the commentary on this forum. She hasn't mentioned it on the show, and I am not sure I would have looked it up otherwise. I thought I knew the whole story. The folks on here set me straight. 

Edited July 1, 2017 by motorcitymom65

[nexxie]

53 minutes ago, Mannahatta said:

I was struck by how all the women started to talk over Tinsley just as she was expressing her vulnerabilities. No matter what they said to or about her- the point is they weren't really listening to her. They all needed to be in control. I'm of the opinion that they perceive her as being weak and dependent and that's what struck a collective raw nerve. True or not; the one thing these women pride themselves on is projecting strength.  And since they refuse to acknowledge their own vulnerabilities Tinsley probably represents all their inner fears. I actually think Tinsley is a great addition to the cast. She's stuck in the past on so many levels and it's fascinating to watch her try to grow.  I'm rooting for her. And at least she's not bitchy.

Also, they all want to think their story is the hardest and most important - attention to her is less for them - zero sum game mentality.

[Chit Chat]

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I was struck by how all the women started to talk over Tinsley just as she was expressing her vulnerabilities. No matter what they said to or about her- the point is they weren't really listening to her. They all needed to be in control. I

That's how I felt about it.  Sometimes when someone is talking about their problems, the person or people they're talking to try to make them feel better by giving them an example of how bad they had things, so as to make the other person feel better.  Problem is, often times the person just wants a shoulder to cry on and doesn't really want to hear the other person's tale of woe at that moment.  That happens when there is a death in the family.  People mean to say the right thing, but telling the grieving friend how your aunt so and so had the same thing, but worse, so you know exactly how they feel doesn't help.  Everybody's story and way of grieving is different.  It's better just to say you're sorry for the loss and listen to the person.   I've learned this just by being a dental hygienist.  I've heard so many sad stories the past 25 years that it's taught me how to talk to grieving family members (and I've made a few mistake along the way.)  People talk to us like we're therapists - which I don't mind!  They're like family.

I think the ladies should've tried a little harder to listen to Tinsley without throwing in their "my situation was soooo much worse" story.  Sometimes it's just about listening, not talking, IMO.

[zoeysmom]

1 hour ago, lunastartron said:

So the barometer for whether or something is widely known or not is whether the posters on Previously.TV are familiar with the details? 

Tinsley is not making information public by referencing information ... that is already public. Her humiliation on the show at the publicity her arrest garnered isn't contradictory because the cat was out of the bag as far as her milieu and those to whom she is known were concerned. 

Tinsley tag line is about a mug shot, I thought she was wise to get out in front of it so to speak.  I was appalled at what she had endured physically and the lack of empathy from the cast due to their discomfort talking about the issue. 

There are any number of people who have no idea who the RHONYC are, or any RH, they may know about certain bad deeds like Teresa Giudice and her legal troubles  but have no concept of what the shows entail.  The shows at the top of their game get 2 million viewers a week.  (Atlanta gets more-but this is about Tinsley),  In her heyday as a young socialite she did well and even had a presence in Japan.  Tinsley was an ambassador for Dior.  Years ago there was an article about Tinsley and she found it odd that people were starting the call themselves a brand.  For the most part these shows started with the unknowns.  So anyone marveling at another's pedigree would be lost regionally.  I will always remember Ramona referring to the Social Register and Jill asking her where it was. 

[KungFuBunny]

6 hours ago, BBHN said:

God, that was a great recap.

Ramona, who’s sporting classic cameltoe, and Sonja begin the annual running of the bullshit as they search for a room.

Hah!

[BBHN]

They run it so well.

[KungFuBunny]

Ramona in Stratton, VT

I think she can achieve this without even stepping out of the Lincoln Log Cabin

[motorcitymom65]

1 hour ago, Mannahatta said:

I was struck by how all the women started to talk over Tinsley just as she was expressing her vulnerabilities. No matter what they said to or about her- the point is they weren't really listening to her. They all needed to be in control. I'm of the opinion that they perceive her as being weak and dependent and that's what struck a collective raw nerve. True or not; the one thing these women pride themselves on is projecting strength.  And since they refuse to acknowledge their own vulnerabilities Tinsley probably represents all their inner fears. I actually think Tinsley is a great addition to the cast. She's stuck in the past on so many levels and it's fascinating to watch her try to grow.  I'm rooting for her. And at least she's not bitchy.

I can see how one would get this impression. I think that this is a good example of editing. Not that they changed anything, but that we only saw 5 minutes of a dinner that lasted for probably 2 or more hours. There was probably a lot more to the conversation than we saw. Of course this is always the case. We only see a very small amount of any conversation, but this one was intense and personal, so only getting small doses so that everyone was represented meant that we weren't going to really understand the real dynamics of what went on. 

[BBHN]

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Ramona in Stratton, VT

Out of all the HWs she is the one I want to see on the slopes the most next week.

Edited July 1, 2017 by BBHN

[Mindthinkr]

24 minutes ago, nexxie said:

Also, they all want to think their story is the hardest and most important - attention to her is less for them - zero sum game mentality.

AKA: Not Team Players

[Lemons]

4 hours ago, Juliegirlj said:

Bethenny claimed that she and Carole didn't take " the nicest room" when they arrived a day before the other women, and then encouraged Dorinda to take the master suite. However, that house has two master suites, and the room that they did take is very nice, perhaps the best room. Not saying they weren't entitled to the best room, but just don't make up a story about it... 

That's the one thing I remember. Bethany said I got here first and took the second best room. 

[ryebread]

4 hours ago, Juliegirlj said:

When I travel I always have a pack of disinfectant wipes, and even in the best hotels I wipe the remote control, the bathroom doorknobs and light switches!! 

Don't forget the toilet flush handle, the faucet handles and never, ever use the in-room coffee makers.   LOL.  Now, lemme tell you about the bedding....

I love to travel but I worked for a hotel and let's just say it made me 'careful'.  Not crazy, but careful.

[ButterQueen]

14 hours ago, epc said:

Lol, the pictures show that both bedrooms had bedside lighting. I wonder how that was accomplished without outlets...

ETA: oops, read further to find that she was just complaining about not outlets in the bathroom. Still, such hardships.

No outlets in a bathroom is a pain in the butt.

[lezlers]

5 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

I don't think the other ladies were telling Tinsley to get over her physical/mental abuse. They were all saying listen you've been bitching to every one of us about Sonja, either abide by her rules or get out.

The black eye/head laceration happened in 2013. So very early in their relationship she learned how violent of a situation she was in. She chose to keep going back for another 3 years. She had the financial means to leave. She had the emotional support from her family (dad was still alive, mom & sister). The criminal trespass papers were served to her in October 2015, she was arrested in April 2016.

I couldn't agree more.

[motorcitymom65]

25 minutes ago, Lemons said:

That's the one thing I remember. Bethany said I got here first and took the second best room. 

I loved that. But my favorite part was that Carole was concerned about making sure that Dorinda got a good room. You never see these ho's having that type of concern about the others. It was nice and seemed real world. At least in my world. 

[ButterQueen]

On 6/30/2017 at 10:10 AM, zoeysmom said:

Thanks

 

On 6/30/2017 at 2:19 PM, ZaldamoWilder said:

first floor master - Carole & Bethenny

second floor master - Dorinda

second floor queen suite - Sonja & Ramona

second floor twin suite - Tinsley

basement queen room - Luann

basement twin room - empty

^ also the order of their arrival.   slow you blow.

How do we know Carole and Beth shared a room?  If not, Lu got only a half bath.  It's 6 bedrooms, 5.5 baths.

[Avon.Blakes7]

2 minutes ago, ButterQueen said:

 

How do we know Carole and Beth shared a room?  If not, Lu got only a half bath.  It's 6 bedrooms, 5.5 baths.

OMG, are we still going over this? The show has definitely run it's course if room assignments are the big debate of the show nearing another finale! [massive eye roll] 

[nexxie]

All I know is I'd never share a room with any of these nutz!

[Avon.Blakes7]

1 minute ago, nexxie said:

All I know is I'd never share a room with any of these nutz!

I wouldn't share a house with any of them! lol!

[Martinigirl]

1 minute ago, Avon.Blakes7 said:

OMG, are we still going over this? The show has definitely run it's course if room assignments are the big debate of the show nearing another finale! [massive eye roll] 

IKR? LOL!!!

Let's talk about what time Dorinda's happy hour starts.  

Safari time starts at 3

I'm going to guess  Dorinda's HH starts at 10 a.m.

[Avon.Blakes7]

4 minutes ago, Martinigirl said:

IKR? LOL!!!

Let's talk about what time Dorinda's happy hour starts.  

Safari time starts at 3

I'm going to guess  Dorinda's HH starts at 10 a.m.

You're assuming she isn't having an IV drip with "a double proof shot" while asleep! ;-)

Edited July 1, 2017 by Avon.Blakes7

[Martinigirl]

2 minutes ago, Avon.Blakes7 said:

I wouldn't share a house with any of them! lol!

I would pay my own way to share a house with all of them! I want a front row seat to the crazy!!!!

1 minute ago, Avon.Blakes7 said:

You're assuming she isn't have an IV drip with "a shot" while asleep! ;-)

Well, I know I would need the IV to sleep with John..... :)

[rhys]

I'll go you one better, Martinigirl, I'd share a room with any of them.

[escatefromny]

21 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I loved that. But my favorite part was that Carole was concerned about making sure that Dorinda got a good room. You never see these ho's having that type of concern about the others. It was nice and seemed real world. At least in my world. 

I'd like to think some genuine kindness exists in some of the interactions, but confess to thinking that Carole made the suggestion that Dorinda secure a prime room to ensure there would be drama over her choice.  

[Martinigirl]

1 minute ago, rhys said:

I'll go you one better, Martinigirl, I'd share a room with any of them.

I'll raise you....even with a bathroom down the hall.

[Mindthinkr]

A possible schedule for cocktails with Dorinda 

10am Bloody Mary's with celery, olives and other nibbles. It makes it count as a veggie serving or two for the day. 

12 noon Wine with lunch

2pm Just a wee dram

4pm Nap Time!! (Or passed out)

6pm Pre-dinner cocktails (martini time) 

7-8pm More wine with dinner

9pm After dinner Brandy or Cognac

10pm Good Night. 

[WireWrap]

23 minutes ago, ButterQueen said:

 

How do we know Carole and Beth shared a room?  If not, Lu got only a half bath.  It's 6 bedrooms, 5.5 baths.

They have shared a room on trips ever since Heather left the show. 

2 minutes ago, escatefromny said:

I'd like to think some genuine kindness exists in some of the interactions, but confess to thinking that Carole made the suggestion that Dorinda secure a prime room to ensure there would be drama over her choice.  

IMO, she did it so that Ramona (and therefore Sonja) would not get 1 of the nicer rooms, a bit of payback to Ramona for the things she has said to Bethenny this season.

[rhys]

Ah, damn you, Martinigirl, and your hole card! Never will I be able to play poker with you when we are finally sharing a VRBO with the RH.

[Mindthinkr]

3 minutes ago, Martinigirl said:

I'll raise you....even with a bathroom down the hall.

Lol...we could choose the house and number of available rooms and then beat them there. They'd be PO'd and most certainly Bethenny would be doing one of hello and good byes all in the space of 10 minutes. Does her contract state she has to attend a function for 10 minutes in order to qualify for being paid? LMAO. 

I need a cocktail! 

[Martinigirl]

1 minute ago, Mindthinkr said:

Lol...we could choose the house and number of available rooms and then beat them there. They'd be PO'd and most certainly Bethenny would be doing one of hello and good byes all in the space of 10 minutes. Does her contract state she has to attend a function for 10 minutes in order to qualify for being paid? LMAO. 

I need a cocktail! 

Jokes on you...I'm already drunk.  LOL

[Mindthinkr]

@Martinigirl I'd give you a 100 hearts if I could. You go lady! 

[breezy424]

30 minutes ago, ButterQueen said:

 

How do we know Carole and Beth shared a room?  If not, Lu got only a half bath.  It's 6 bedrooms, 5.5 baths.

The two bedrooms in the basement shared a bathroom.  The other four were en suites and the powder room was probably on the first floor.  As far as I can tell no one was staying in the second bedroom in the basement and apparently Carole and Beth were sharing a room.

[Martinigirl]

31 minutes ago, Avon.Blakes7 said:

OMG, are we still going over this? The show has definitely run it's course if room assignments are the big debate of the show nearing another finale! [massive eye roll] 

Well, ,  that didn't work. LOL It was worth a try..... :)

Edited July 1, 2017 by Martinigirl

[BBHN]

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I would pay my own way to share a house with all of them! I want a front row seat to the crazy!!!!

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IMO, she did it so that Ramona (and therefore Sonja) would not get 1 of the nicer rooms, a bit of payback to Ramona for the things she has said to Bethenny this season.

Or Carole has a mind and will of her own (shocker!) and actually wanted to do something nice for Dorinda.

Edited July 1, 2017 by BBHN

[Martinigirl]

3 minutes ago, BBHN said:

Mmmmmmmm...Skinny Girl Popcorn! Yummy!

[Mindthinkr]

Just now, Martinigirl said:

Mmmmmmmm...Skinny Girl Popcorn! Yummy!

Spits out the first sip of the drink laughing...

[Martinigirl]

2 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

Spits out the first sip of the drink laughing...

Was it Skinny Girl Margarita? YUMMY!

[Mindthinkr]

Nope. The piece I wrote about Dorinda's tonic schedule made me crave a Bloody Mary and gratefully there's  no Skinny Girl mixer for that!! 

 

Tonic as in medicinal alcohol 

Edited July 1, 2017 by Mindthinkr
Clarified tonic

[BBHN]

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Jokes on you...I'm already drunk.  LOL

Do you also have DrunkDorinda arms? ;)

Edited July 1, 2017 by BBHN

[Martinigirl]

4 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

Nope. The piece I wrote about Dorinda's tonic schedule made me crave a Bloody Mary and gratefully there's  no Skinny Girl mixer for that!! 

I just sent Bethy a text and asked her to get on that for you.  

Edited July 1, 2017 by Martinigirl