S05.E11: Confronting the Past

[Jellybeans]

12 hours ago, JAndy said:

If Cody says he feels like he's young to be married at 26 - then WHY DID YOU GO ON MARRIED AT FIRST SIGHT?!?!? So bizarre. 

I can like this post without seeing the episode.

[Mr. Miner]

9 hours ago, Kiss my mutt said:

I vote no. Cody's dick is afraid of her and kid's got no balls. 

His voice is changing, he's just starting to get hair down there. He's just learning to shave. Why would the experts put a kid just starting puberty on this show? 

[HZAnita]

Poor Cody.  I mean, he's not doing himself any favors in this situation, but It's like he's not even there.  He's just a blank canvas onto which Danielle can project.

My grades for tonight's episode:

A&A = B+ (I like how Ashley handled the work and teeth situations)

N&S = C+ (I'm not sure they resolved anything, but they still seem committed to the marriage) 

C&D = F ('nuff said)

[ZaldamoWilder]

10 hours ago, humbleopinion said:

Did sex happen for Friday Night Cody?

Are Cody and I still waiting for him to get sex.....

LMAO!!! 

Yes.   In the meantime though if you could lean over and whisper to him that announcing how much sex his little brother is getting by comparison, on national television is a) not good form and b) another reason we think he's one of the boys from Stand By Me.  

 

9 hours ago, Evil Queen said:

Someone needs to tell Ashley that trying to plan to have a kid can backfire because of the stressing on it happening. Its the times that you just don't even consider you are trying that it happens. I had my last one at 32. I said no kids after I hit 35. If she gives it a year or 2 and things are good I would bet he would have no issues with starting to try or shortly after that time frame. I do get the wanting to know where one would end up after the 8 weeks though. Especially being a planner. I hate the unknown in certain things but obviously they don't want us to see that kind of talking between them or it might give things away on the end.

The thing is, she has time, in theory.   Say it's another year before he signs on to trying.  She's 32 before they start.  We tend to take for granted how easily/quickly pregnancy can happen for some, but if neither of those is true in their case, now she's nearly 34 before she talks him into seeing specialists.   35 by the time they save up the $30K for 2 tries.  36 by the time one of them takes.   37 upon delivery.   Not a typical scenario, I know but since fertility is an issue whose outcome you really don't know about until you're trying AND there's a countdown clock, as pushy as it sounds, she does need the answers sooner rather than later.  

13 hours ago, VanSensei said:

Man, Cory is milquetoast as fuck. There is nothing there. Why is this anesthesia drug with legs on my screen?

Donnay sets off my gaydar in ways that would put Elton John to shame. Nate should not be jealous, but he's Nate.

Ashley and Anthony will be the 3rd success in 5 seasons - I'm putting on my Wolf Blitzer wig and making a projection now.

meant to add:  Nate doesn't have a leg to stand on whatever Donnay's orientation is.   They've known each other for 20 years, if something was gonna pop off it would've.  I was tickled when he watched himself and said "I'm not a jealous dude"   Sure ok.  Insecure as fuck but not jealous.    How bout you call your mama and ask her to be a decent ass person to "your queen"

[Empress1]

14 minutes ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

The thing is, she has time, in theory.   Say it's another year before he signs on to trying.  She's 32 before they start.  We tend to take for granted how easily/quickly pregnancy can happen for some, but if neither of those is true in their case, now she's nearly 34 before she talks him into seeing specialists.   35 by the time they save up the $30K for 2 tries.  36 by the time one of them takes.   37 upon delivery.   Not a typical scenario, I know but since fertility is an issue whose outcome you really don't know about until you're trying AND there's a countdown clock, as pushy as it sounds, she does need the answers sooner rather than later.  

meant to add:  Nate doesn't have a leg to stand on whatever Donnay's orientation is.   They've known each other for 20 years, if something was gonna pop off it would've.  I was tickled when he watched himself and said "I'm not a jealous dude"   Sure ok.  Insecure as fuck but not jealous.    How bout you call your mama and ask her to be a decent ass person to "your queen"

I agree. I've seen a number of women get hurt by not acknowledging the biological clock/assuming their fertility will be strong until they're in their late 40s. It's not a given, and you don't know how your efforts are going to go until you try. It's quite possible to wait too long. I know this is a unique situation, but Ashley's clear that she wants kids (and I say good for her to be secure in that position) so I don't fault her for making sure that she's going to get what she wants out of this union.

Nate's issue with Donnay is dumb. Men and women can be friends; as you say, if they've known each other for two decades and never crossed that line, they're not going to. 

This episode was a snoozer. And I resent that they're insulting my intelligence by acting like Danielle's issue with Cody is letting, go of her past. It's not that complicated at all. She doesn't want him! That's it! She's not attracted to him and he knows it and it's bumming him out.  The "experts" fucked this up. This is a bad match. That's their whole issue. 

And Pepper's assertion that you have to take abuse from people you're related to because they're family is dangerous bullshit.

[Madding crowd]

I didn't understand why A&A and N&S went to visit family and Danielle and Cody went to a park she used to go to with her ex. What the hell was up with her wanting to take Cody there? Did they just drive there, look around and come home. These two (and yes I am including Danielle) seem incredibly boring. Ashley seems to jump at every word Anthony says, I cannot stand people who don't have a sense of humor, although I usually like her. She needs to settle down a bit. I understand all the reasons for a woman wanting to try getting pregnant sooner than later-but she has only known Anthony one month. One month is way to early to be talking about babies except in the sense you do or don't want children. I do understand she may have difficulties waiting a year or two, but she also may be just fine. She waited this long to get married, she needs to let her husband breathe. I enjoyed seeing Nate's grandparents and his coach-he has people in his corner. His mother is not happy that he got married to a stranger and she may never be. Was very glad they stayed in a hotel, my MIL is awful and I never want to stay at her house so she has more time to be mean to me. I agree Anthony's sister was either drunk or playing for the camera.

[humbleopinion]

 Showing us the Unflitered show right after the Road trip episode erased the stupid Danielle/Cody cliff hanger, fade to black drama.

If you want to know it and don't want to watch Jamie Odious bat her eyelashes and bug her eyes out... I will spoil it to you in a PM because Danielle spilled the beans.

[Nikki55x]

Why are Americans always making up words ? Romantical? You mean romantic. Naturely
? God dumb as rocks.

[Mindthinkr]

16 minutes ago, humbleopinion said:

 Showing us the Unflitered show right after the Road trip episode erased the stupid Danielle/Cody cliff hanger, fade to black drama.

If you want to know it and don't want to watch Jamie Odious bat her eyelashes and bug her eyes out... I will spoil it to you in a PM because Danielle spilled the beans.

Please, I'll take a PM with the spoiler information! Thx

[Tara Ariano]

In case you missed it, here's the Previously.TV podcast on the episode!

 

Bride And Doom: Okay, He Really Is Married

The Duhons drive five hours to Flint so that Jennifer can make sure they know she still doesn't approve of their marriage.

[izabella]

11 hours ago, Evil Queen said:

Agree that Anthony's sister has to have been on something or just to much drinking. Her movements and the way she talked and such....I think I rather deal with Ashely's sister though after seeing his. LOL Yet I do wonder how much is producer driven and how much was real? I think she is really good at not reading people but hitting the bottle or something. A good reason your bro there didn't bring anyone home to meet her....YIKES!! I am feeling like this is an unhealthy relationship right there. 

 

Yeah, I'm giving Anthony a LOT of side eye for all his concern about Ashley's sister when HIS sister is, frankly, a bitch.  She is so damned proud of being so "protective" of her brother that she has been a bitch to everyone he's dated.

I always thought it was weird that Ashley was so fixated on Anthony's "perfect" teeth.  I never understood what she saw that was so different - her teeth are perfect, too.  Maybe it comes across differently in person or something.  Anyway, I wasn't surprised when his family explained they weren't real.  That must have sucked - it takes forever to get implants, so a mouthful must have taken quite a while to complete.

Edited June 23, 2017 by izabella

[izabella]

11 hours ago, Evil Queen said:

I would like to stop hearing the same crap from Danielle over and over again. The reason she can't get there is she is hooked on her ex...or at least it comes across that way. Then she isn't attracted to Cody. Ok that is fine but if the whole chemistry is such a BIG deal to her she shouldn't have signed up for this show. No shit its not fair to compare him to your ex's. If her past is such an issue then why the hell did she sign up for this crap? Then on top of it why the hell would you take your husband to a place you went with your ex all the time? Find a new place to go and take him.

Danielle is never going to be able to fall for anyone while she is still hung up on her Cheaty McCheaterson ex.  And while she's still hung up on him, no one else is going to be able to fall for her unless they, too, are the cheating type - her vulnerabilities and lack of true emotional availability will attract the cheaters and other unavailable guys, and she will also only be attracted to them.  You have to be emotionally healthy to make emotionally healthy choices.

[Palomar]

I'm really liking Sheila more and more and how she handles herself.  For one thing her MIL should be happy that Sheila is very nurturing to her teenage son, letting him live with them.  She definitely knows how to roll with the punches.  I think Nate is falling in love with her but just hope he is mature enough to keep it together.

Anthony has been growing on me since episode 1.  He really seems like a great guy. 

Danielle probably likes bad boys. Obviously Cody is not her type, even though he IS the type that would support her in all ways, unlike her past bfs.

[izabella]

2 minutes ago, Palomar said:

Danielle probably likes bad boys. Obviously Cody is not her type, even though he IS the type that would support her in all ways, unlike her past bfs.

Exactly.  She falls for guys who are emotionally unavailable and will never be marriage material because she isn't emotionally available or marriage material.

[lovetowrite73]

49 minutes ago, Palomar said:

I'm really liking Sheila more and more and how she handles herself.  For one thing her MIL should be happy that Sheila is very nurturing to her teenage son, letting him live with them.  She definitely knows how to roll with the punches.  I think Nate is falling in love with her but just hope he is mature enough to keep it together.

That's not Nate's mother's son -- it's his father's son.

[Palomar]

20 minutes ago, lovetowrite73 said:

That's not Nate's mother's son -- it's his father's son.

Ahhhh, thanks for that!   Still, she shouldn't be surprised that Sheila wants to stay in a hotel when she has been nothing but rude to her.

[Braveshoppr]

Hi - Newbie here. I've really enjoyed all your responses! - When Danielle chose to take Cody to her 'special place' on the lake, I thought the reason (and for joining the show and everything she did hence, she realized was a great way to communicate with her ex, who she is still desperately in love with.
She could show him how low her shoulder straps could fall from her shoulder, what a great time she's having with new friends, that a young man actually wanted her, her purple lipstick, and she can be part owner of a gym, and be 'romantical' with a young boy right on the screen, all for him to see.
Perhaps that's why she seems preoccupied -it seems to take her an awfully long time to answer a question, as if she's off in a cloud, and usually all she finally says is 'like', yeah or yes. Because she's fashioning or trying to fashion an answer for us with a special message wrapped up inside the 'like yes' for the person who she really wants and is doing it all for.
-Got to say this episode was the worst for me. I think the main reason is the producer led me to believe this episode was so very much more than it actually was. I was let down.
If I hadn't expected fireworks I would have been more relaxed and could have enjoyed the REAL show.
I am tired of Danielle and Cody, it's almost an exercise in frustration watching them, and trying to 'get down' to their level, which is the only thing where they are matched. Danielle was an only child, (didn't she say, which might have something to do with her attitude, I don't know not having been one).
To be a dietitian I haven't seen any spreads, (to tempt Cody's heart, (or ours) only remember they ate pizza. I know she works a lot, but what about weekends?
Also, I was surprised none of the couples brought gifts for family and friends, not that they had to, but would have been a welcomed gesture.
Also, I think there's too much intervention by too many people, seems like one leaves and another 'pops over' right behind them.
Just some random thoughts.

[Lovecat]

MAN, Nate's mom is a pill!  She and Ashley should get together to talk about their mutual ability to detect shade where none is being cast.

[Evil Queen]

38 minutes ago, Braveshoppr said:

Danielle was an only child, (didn't she say, which might have something to do with her attitude, I don't know not having been one).

Welcome first off...and as for this. I am not one myself but have known a few that were only kids. Let me just say that each one was a selfish bitch in different ways. They were horrible brats and horrible to their parents as well. I had one I was friends with in jr high and high school that when we got to high school I would go there before school. Well if she didn't feel like going she would first try to claim sick and that she threw up. Then after that had a tantrum. It was pretty embarrassing to watch go down. I felt bad for her mom. Even as she got to be an adult she was the same damn way. Always like a child if it wasn't her way. Same with the few others I have known. Not to say there aren't ones that are opposite that but its just what I have seen and experienced. Danielle is like that spoiled brat type IMO. She didn't get what she wanted from her match and everything he does is not good enough so in her own ways she is having "fits", so to speak. I also think she could be hung up on her ex but I also think she is one of those that while she "claims" to want a man to take charge of things, she also doesn't because she wants to be in control of so much. Either way these 2 were not meant to be matched at all for so many reasons. As much as he wasn't ready to get married because of his age and maturity....I don't think she was ready either because she is far from mature for her age too. 

[Jax7917]

5 hours ago, humbleopinion said:

 Showing us the Unflitered show right after the Road trip episode erased the stupid Danielle/Cody cliff hanger, fade to black drama.

If you want to know it and don't want to watch Jamie Odious bat her eyelashes and bug her eyes out... I will spoil it to you in a PM because Danielle spilled the beans.

Yes please 

[Braveshoppr]

2 hours ago, Evil Queen said:

Welcome first off...and as for this. I am not one myself but have known a few that were only kids. Let me just say that each one was a selfish bitch in different ways. They were horrible brats and horrible to their parents as well. I had one I was friends with in jr high and high school that when we got to high school I would go there before school. Well if she didn't feel like going she would first try to claim sick and that she threw up. Then after that had a tantrum. It was pretty embarrassing to watch go down. I felt bad for her mom. Even as she got to be an adult she was the same damn way. Always like a child if it wasn't her way. Same with the few others I have known. Not to say there aren't ones that are opposite that but its just what I have seen and experienced. Danielle is like that spoiled brat type IMO. She didn't get what she wanted from her match and everything he does is not good enough so in her own ways she is having "fits", so to speak. I also think she could be hung up on her ex but I also think she is one of those that while she "claims" to want a man to take charge of things, she also doesn't because she wants to be in control of so much. Either way these 2 were not meant to be matched at all for so many reasons. As much as he wasn't ready to get married because of his age and maturity....I don't think she was ready either because she is far from mature for her age too. 

I think you're exactly right. You have hit the proverbial 'nail off the head' or some such, I agree and by your post we can see the dichotomy Danielle lives - she is attracted to the strong bad boy but has the need to be the leader in a relationship. Maybe that's why Danielle and Cody were matched -a bumbling Milquetoast and his dominatrix - no wonder we thought Danielle would show up dressed in costume or nothing at all. Showing up with a plate of smores was almost a slap to our intelligence. If a plate of smores is the best she can muster when being "romantical" that may be all we need to know about their eventual relationship from then on.

[Evil Queen]

8 minutes ago, Braveshoppr said:

I think you're exactly right. You have hit the proverbial 'nail off the head' or some such, I agree and by your post we can see the dichotomy Danielle lives - she is attracted to the strong bad boy but has the need to be the leader in a relationship. Maybe that's why Danielle and Cody were matched -a bumbling Milquetoast and his dominatrix - no wonder we thought Danielle would show up dressed in costume or nothing at all. Showing up with a plate of smores was almost a slap to our intelligence. If a plate of smores is the best she can muster when being "romantical" that may be all we need to know about their eventual relationship from then on.

Which is the production/editing game play trying to make you think that she lit the fire and trying to make it "romantical" *GAG* but then talks about the past, yet again....oh and let's not forget he just by chance brought roses home for her the same time she is doing this. PLEASE!!! Then we have the "oooohhhh Danielle" from Cody while we see a shot of the place they are in, trying to make the viewers think they are finally having sex. Yet most of us watching have learned to not read much into those "cliffhanger" type scenes when it comes to MAFS. It is a major slap to us viewers. We know they are not going to have sex. There is nothing there and they both aren't feeling it from what it looks like....no matter what bs the edit/production monkeys are trying to feed us. Like I said before if they discussed it at all (and hopefully they did with no cameras) they would play it up and just have fun like friends. 

[Stinamaia]

6 hours ago, Nikki55x said:

Why are Americans always making up words ? Romantical? You mean romantic. Naturely
? God dumb as rocks.

Merriam-Webster lists "romantical" as a word.

Definition?  Romantic

Unbearably annoying that she says "romantical."  I wonder if she thinks it adds some meaning or is a different part of speech and why in the name of suffering ears everywhere does she say it?  I might even like Cody if he would ask her, but he doesn't care what she says cause he stopped listening to her long ago.

[Stinamaia]

3 hours ago, Evil Queen said:

Welcome first off...and as for this. I am not one myself but have known a few that were only kids. Let me just say that each one was a selfish bitch in different ways. They were horrible brats and horrible to their parents as well. I had one I was friends with in jr high and high school that when we got to high school I would go there before school. Well if she didn't feel like going she would first try to claim sick and that she threw up. Then after that had a tantrum. It was pretty embarrassing to watch go down. I felt bad for her mom. Even as she got to be an adult she was the same damn way. Always like a child if it wasn't her way. Same with the few others I have known. Not to say there aren't ones that are opposite that but its just what I have seen and experienced. Danielle is like that spoiled brat type IMO. She didn't get what she wanted from her match and everything he does is not good enough so in her own ways she is having "fits", so to speak. I also think she could be hung up on her ex but I also think she is one of those that while she "claims" to want a man to take charge of things, she also doesn't because she wants to be in control of so much. Either way these 2 were not meant to be matched at all for so many reasons. As much as he wasn't ready to get married because of his age and maturity....I don't think she was ready either because she is far from mature for her age too. 

 

I must defend only children on behalf of my friend  

I have a good friend who is an only child. She is kind and very idealistic.  She's a hard worker and works for an NGO to help struggling people to start their own small businesses.  Her father is dead.  She talks to her mother every day and is making plans for her mother to come live with her.  She is kind to every living creature and probably would take in every suffering animal (non-reptile and insect, that is) if she could. She is a loyal friend who extends a helping hand to many. In addition, she is funny, smart, and snarky. 

[bichonblitz]

23 minutes ago, Stinamaia said:

Unbearably annoying that she says "romantical."  I wonder if she thinks it adds some meaning or is a different part of speech and why in the name of suffering ears everywhere does she say it?

I got the impression she thinks it's cute to say romantical.  Danielle can not pull off cute. 

Regarding only children, my stepson is an only.  He is one of the most well adjusted, intelligent, sensible, caring, loving, self sufficient human beings I have ever known. Bottom line, it's how you raise your kids, whether you have 1 or 10. Since his dad and I had custody of him from the age of 5 I like to take some credit for that. Had he lived with his mother, well, I won't even go there. 

[Gobears]

9 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

I got the impression she thinks it's cute to say romantical.  Danielle can not pull off cute.

Anthony also said "romantical" in an earlier episode, as did Jaclyn from season 2.

[bsh]

8 hours ago, Empress1 said:

This episode was a snoozer. And I resent that they're insulting my intelligence by acting like Danielle's issue with Cody is letting, go of her past. It's not that complicated at all. She doesn't want him! That's it! She's not attracted to him and he knows it and it's bumming him out.  The "experts" fucked this up. This is a bad match. That's their whole issue. 

I agree. Wow I'm so new it just took me forever to figure out how to quote that!! She wrote on twitter that her burning the letter was an "expert activity and she didn't have lingering feelings but wanted to show Cody that she didn't." Ummm....but did he see it or even know about it until you told him? I feel like she compares him to her exes all the time and he doesn't meet her high standards. Also, Like someone else said and I think I agree...she's just really into herself and maybe a little insecure. Their body language towards each other is so off...like the way they were holding hands while sitting on the floor. It looked like it was so forced and uncomfortable to me. 

[Evil Queen]

23 minutes ago, Stinamaia said:

 

I must defend only children on behalf of my friend  

I have a good friend who is an only child. She is kind and very idealistic.  She's a hard worker and works for an NGO to help struggling people to start their own small businesses.  Her father is dead.  She talks to her mother every day and is making plans for her mother to come live with her.  She is kind to every living creature and probably would take in every suffering animal (non-reptile and insect, that is) if she could. She is a loyal friend who extends a helping hand to many. In addition, she is funny, smart, and snarky. 

3 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

I got the impression she thinks it's cute to say romantical.  Danielle can not pull off cute. 

Regarding only children, my stepson is an only.  He is one of the most well adjusted, intelligent, sensible, caring, loving, self sufficient human beings I have ever known. Bottom line, it's how you raise your kids, whether you have 1 or 10. Since his dad and I had custody of him from the age of 5 I like to take some credit for that. Had he lived with his mother, well, I won't even go there. 

 

This is why I said its my experience with some. It is totally how one is raised. Just like if one has siblings. The behavior I had seen from the few only kids I have known I have seen as well over the years in many with siblings too....more so nowadays it seems like because of the lack of parenting compared to when I was a kid. I am not sure how I spaced on it but I just remembered that my son has one friend that is an only child, while at times he is a butt it really has more to do with him being more on the immature side compared to my son, he isn't a terrible person at all. His mom would kick his butt when it comes to certain things for sure. I just know the ones I knew growing up were not like that and were terrible. IMO in this day and age, if we all raise our kids to have respect, use manners, be kind to others, compassionate, and so much more then I think we are doing good....more so if they stay out of trouble. 

Danielle is far from cute. She looks like she has done a lot of partying and isn't finished. Same with her friend. Saying "romantical" as she does is not cute or attractive at all. Its disturbing IMO. 

[JAndy]

5 hours ago, Evil Queen said:

Welcome first off...and as for this. I am not one myself but have known a few that were only kids. Let me just say that each one was a selfish bitch in different ways. They were horrible brats and horrible to their parents as well. I had one I was friends with in jr high and high school that when we got to high school I would go there before school. Well if she didn't feel like going she would first try to claim sick and that she threw up. Then after that had a tantrum. It was pretty embarrassing to watch go down. I felt bad for her mom. Even as she got to be an adult she was the same damn way. Always like a child if it wasn't her way. Same with the few others I have known. Not to say there aren't ones that are opposite that but its just what I have seen and experienced. Danielle is like that spoiled brat type IMO. She didn't get what she wanted from her match and everything he does is not good enough so in her own ways she is having "fits", so to speak. I also think she could be hung up on her ex but I also think she is one of those that while she "claims" to want a man to take charge of things, she also doesn't because she wants to be in control of so much. Either way these 2 were not meant to be matched at all for so many reasons. As much as he wasn't ready to get married because of his age and maturity....I don't think she was ready either because she is far from mature for her age too. 

I don't think that this speaks true of all only children. I have a friend who's an only child and she's very kind and caring. She would do anything to help me out. I have taught plenty of only children that haven't followed the "typical" only child stereotype as well  

There are also selfish people that come from multiple children homes. 

Just saying. We may only have an only and it is upsetting to see these negative stereotypes all the time. 

[roseslg]

As I am again having more wine, it's only fair to chime in again.  I don't think Danielle being an only child has anything to do with her behaviour.  I know lots of only children who are great and then I know those who grew up with siblings who are the most selfish, self-centered folks.   A lot of it has to do with parenting.  

 

I know Ashley wants to have kids like yesterday, but not having kids before 35 is not the end of the world.  I had my first and perhaps my only at 37.  I've also had friends who have had kids later, or who froze their eggs just in case they didn't meet someone by their late 30's.  Is it ideal?  No, but there is wisdom in Anthony saying that they should get to know each other first before adding kids into the mix.  Babies are stressful, some of them don't sleep, they spit up, they poop a lot, they throw things, they make you question your sanity.  Like my toddler was demanding a bath this evening and when I told her she had to drink her milk first she yelled a very long "shiiiiiiiiiiiiit" and then screamed for her daddy (I swear you say something once and they just repeat it forever).     Make sure you have a solid foundation before you venture down that road.  I know for some it may take a while, but it can also happen on the first try as it did for us.    As depeche mode sang, enjoy the silence.

 

 

Back to wine.  

[LennieBriscoe]

1. Americans are not "always making up words." However, one might get this opinion by watching AMERICAN TELEVISION.

2. AS AN ONLY CHILD, I'd like to say: Stereotyping is the Devil's work, kids. I want my way all the time because I'm a Scorpio. :-P

Edited June 24, 2017 by LennieBriscoe

[Gem 10]

OMG .. Going down memory lane here after seeing Nates Mother & Anthony's Sister's bad behavior.  My mother in law and her two daughters were ALWAYS stirring the pot and causing trouble in the family.  My husband's family was very loud, opinionated, and busybodies.  My family were quiet and reserved and I wasn't used to all the drama.  They were always bitching about something.  I always struggled to stay on top and not take any crap.  It wasn't easy because of holidays and special occasions.  There were many times I bit my tongue to keep the peace, but there were times that I let them have it too.  There were many milestones that my kids didn't see them because of the drama.  Today, I have regrets that I was too easy with them.  I should have dumped the bunch.  Ashley and Sheila should nip it in the bud nicely, but firmly.  Most husbands don't want to get involved in drama, so it's up to the girls.  If they don't stick up for themselves, nobody will.   Anthony and Nate don't seem the type for drama in the family, especially with the mothers.

 

2 hours ago, LennieBriscoe said:

1. Americans are not "always making up words." However, one might get this opinion by watching AMERICAN TELEVISION.

2. AS AN ONLY CHILD, I'd like to say: Stereotyping is the Devil's work, kids. I want my way all the time because I'm a Scorpio. :-P

Are you VERY secretive and never forget a slight Scorpio?  

[Lopethina]

I think Anthony's sister's "drilling" is because she knows Ashley is way out of Anthony's league looks-wise, hence she worries Ashley is just pretending for the cameras.  She hasn't had the benefit of seeing their private interactions like we have, so the viewers have had time to get over their shock at her being attracted to him.  

 

Nate's mom has some major narcissistic personality disorder going on.  Sheila (like any decent person) is trying to assuage her fears and win her over, but she's in a no-win situation because Nate's mom doesn't WANT to be won over.  It's more important to Nate's mom to have her son fail, so she can be right and go back to being his queen.  What an awful person.

[Kareem]

All kinds of crazy going on in this episode.  Laughing my hiney off at some of your comments.  

Danielle is officially working my last nerve.  Cody is just lost.  I find them both painful to watch.  Neither of them appear to be ready for a relationship let alone marriage.  I get why they were both single.  They don't even appear to be friends or connected in any way so I wince when he talks about how important sex soon is to him.  Gag me.  

Nate's mother is one of the most sour human beings I've ever seen here.  She's Debbie Downer and Agatha Nagatha rolled into one pity party.  I originally thought Sheila was a bit of a head case early on but I give her much credit for her ability to handle social situations, from the Nate bro to the Labor Day party to the grandparents to the monster in law.  Nate seems to have some redeeming qualities as well as long as he's not playing ping-pong or acting like a 15 year old with Sheila's fine friend.  

Fascinating that Ashley was unable to get a word in while her psycho sister-in-law carried on about herself and her personality quirks ad nauseam.  Ashley seems much different post-honeymoon...    

[Liberty]

7 hours ago, Kareem said:

Fascinating that Ashley was unable to get a word in while her psycho sister-in-law carried on about herself and her personality quirks ad nauseam.  Ashley seems much different post-honeymoon...    

Certainly an oddity of life that some people enjoy bragging about their immaturity, as did Anthony's sister.  She justifies being rude while demonstrating a lack of trustworthiness.

Edited June 24, 2017 by Liberty

[Gem 10]

15 hours ago, roseslg said:

As I am again having more wine, it's only fair to chime in again.  I don't think Danielle being an only child has anything to do with her behaviour.  I know lots of only children who are great and then I know those who grew up with siblings who are the most selfish, self-centered folks.   A lot of it has to do with parenting.  

 

I know Ashley wants to have kids like yesterday, but not having kids before 35 is not the end of the world.  I had my first and perhaps my only at 37.  I've also had friends who have had kids later, or who froze their eggs just in case they didn't meet someone by their late 30's.  Is it ideal?  No, but there is wisdom in Anthony saying that they should get to know each other first before adding kids into the mix.  Babies are stressful, some of them don't sleep, they spit up, they poop a lot, they throw things, they make you question your sanity.  Like my toddler was demanding a bath this evening and when I told her she had to drink her milk first she yelled a very long "shiiiiiiiiiiiiit" and then screamed for her daddy (I swear you say something once and they just repeat it forever).     Make sure you have a solid foundation before you venture down that road.  I know for some it may take a while, but it can also happen on the first try as it did for us.    As depeche mode sang, enjoy the silence.

 

 

Back to wine.  

My most favorite song, especially the concert in Germany where he's dancing around shirtless.  Lol.

[27bored]

My opinion about Cody is a little different than most. I think he's actually more ready for marriage than Danielle...in some ways.

I think Cody probably walks around with his mom in his head. She probably tells him to get his shit together, be more responsible, settle down, etc. Instead of doing what you should do, which is acknowledge she might have a point but don't take it to heart because you're a grown man and you can't let your mother live your life for you, he takes it to heart. Part of his motivation for coming on MAFS and working so hard to get Danielle to unclench, is probably because he feels like that's what good husbands are supposed to do. He's probably trying really hard to be responsible and do what he thinks a good husband is supposed to do...which is "help out" and "be there" and all that other stuff that people say that sounds better than it makes sense. So he's all with the tools and the white board and the shopping and wiping down counters and all that thinking maybe she'll open up if he plays house well enough.

Problem is, Danielle is trying to control him by judging him on who he isn't, namely the other dudes with whom it didn't work. And she's doing it while not giving anything. It's like this re: sex: I'd never tell a woman to sleep with a man or stay with him solely for his benefit. Don't have sex just to make a guy like you, love you, or stay with you. HOWEVER, to women who think you can replace physical intimacy with grocery store roses, chore running, dog walking, and professing your good intentions, I have to be 100% honest and say that's bullshit. There is no Option B for sex when you're dealing with a straight guy, sorry. And I hate to break to you, but guys aren't really wired that way to sort of replace sex. Not to say we couldn't under any circumstances, but if you're not going to have sex with us, it is what it is. And I don't buy for a second that she's just not into Cody, unlike some people. It would be cool and understandable if she just wasn't, but I think it's less principled than that. For one, Cody isn't the most exciting guy, but there's nothing wrong with him. He's tall, decent looking, in reasonable shape (like a dude who played high school basketball). Unless he smells weird or has bad breath, it's not she's slumming it by entertaining him.

I think a lot of guys in my generation are awkward when it comes to a certain amount of seduction because we've grown up under the "affirmative consent/yes means yes" movement, so unless we're getting the bright green light that, you know, everything's cool, most of us aren't going to "take charge" of a situation that could lead to sex, especially not the first time. If we've been together awhile, it's okay to be forward, but with Danielle? If I didn't have a signed and notarized letter saying she wanted to fuck I'd worry about even putting my hand on her back for fear that she'd call the police.

And it's crazy to me that she keeps sacrificing him on the altar of not being "manly enough" when the dude who cheated on her for years -- according to her -- was a manly man. Uh, it's clear you didn't have all these standards if you stayed with his ass through the cheating, and it's obvious you're not sitting on a golden pussy if he was cheating on you, so get over yourself!

 

I think Andrew and Ashley are kinda boring. She needs to stop reading into shit, because she seems like an undercover tight ass and it's hard to trust her big, bright smile sometimes. I agree with whoever said there's no compromising with her and she's all good so long as he's doing exactly what she wants. Andrew just better hope he has the stamina to keep up the good guy act. One bad day at work, one week of "I've got a lot of shit to do and don't know how I'm gonna get all of it done", and she's gonna spin out. Just sayin'.

 

Nate and Sheila are alright. I think Sheila should held off on lecturing him about his friends "acting single" and lamenting her old relationship where she got cheated on...and then playing patty-cake with her best male friend over drinks. I believe her when she says there's nothing going on, but shit like that is why you need to check your own jealousy and moral preening. Because people will bury any inconsistency in your face.

[Evil Queen]

12 hours ago, Lopethina said:

I think Anthony's sister's "drilling" is because she knows Ashley is way out of Anthony's league looks-wise, hence she worries Ashley is just pretending for the cameras.  She hasn't had the benefit of seeing their private interactions like we have, so the viewers have had time to get over their shock at her being attracted to him.  

 

I don't see where this could be assumed from what went down. We have no idea what kind of girls he has dated in the past or what kind of guys she has dated in the past when it comes to looks. We all have different tastes. Which I think a lot of times those of us watching forget that while they might not be our taste in a guy/girl, that it might be the person they are match with's taste...kwim? I actually think they are on even ground with looks though. I think the sister is just nuttier than Ashley's (that is if either actually behave that way for real) and probably had a little to much to drink or something....as well as production probably was in her ear directing her to act a certain way. Which mind you we haven't really seen much of their private interactions really. We see just what production/editing wants us to see to try to make us feel and think things are a certain way. The real private interactions these couples have we are not going to see as they are keeping that to when the cameras and crew are gone. Hence, Sheila and Nate saying things about discussing it later and agreeing to not have major discussions with the cameras there. 

[Drogo]

13 hours ago, Lopethina said:

 

I think Anthony's sister's "drilling" is because she knows Ashley is way out of Anthony's league looks-wise, hence she worries Ashley is just pretending for the cameras.  

 

I just came home from the mall, and if I had a dollar for every "10" man/woman holding hands with a "5" man/woman I'd have a lot of dollars. 

I think the sister is at least mature enough to realize there's more to attractiveness than looks. 

[27bored]

I don't see where this could be assumed from what went down. We have no idea what kind of girls he has dated in the past or what kind of guys she has dated in the past when it comes to looks. We all have different tastes. Which I think a lot of times those of us watching forget that while they might not be our taste in a guy/girl, that it might be the person they are match with's taste...kwim? I actually think they are on even ground with looks though. I think the sister is just nuttier than Ashley's (that is if either actually behave that way for real) and probably had a little to much to drink or something....as well as production probably was in her ear directing her to act a certain way. Which mind you we haven't really seen much of their private interactions really. We see just what production/editing wants us to see to try to make us feel and think things are a certain way. The real private interactions these couples have we are not going to see as they are keeping that to when the cameras and crew are gone. Hence, Sheila and Nate saying things about discussing it later and agreeing to not have major discussions with the cameras there. 

Plus, it's possible that Anthony is her type, physically speaking. I remember reading something that said women find men with round-faces when looking for a partner because they look more trustworthy and domestic or...something.

[Evil Queen]

1 hour ago, 27bored said:

 

Plus, it's possible that Anthony is her type, physically speaking. I remember reading something that said women find men with round-faces when looking for a partner because they look more trustworthy and domestic or...something.

I have never heard that before but yet I believe its possible he could be her type. She has been pleased from the second she saw him. As more time goes by and she gets to know him it will either add to the attraction or take..so far it seems to be adding for her. 

2 hours ago, Drogo said:

I just came home from the mall, and if I had a dollar for every "10" man/woman holding hands with a "5" man/woman I'd have a lot of dollars. 

I think the sister is at least mature enough to realize there's more to attractiveness than looks. 

Agree with this. You see it all the time no matter where you go. Everyone has different tastes and we can't say what they are or aren't...especially when watching it on a tv show and never knowing what past boy/girlfriends looked like. Even then, its not always going to end up the same. Some of us out there have never had a "type" so to speak. I know I never have. I have dated guys that some might consider a "10" and others less than a "5". Which this is why I never understand the ragging on the looks and assuming one isn't into the other when really its just your (not anyone specifically here) taste is not that person or that you might just not see certain kinds of looks/people together.  This is one of the few seasons that I think this show has couples equal in looks. I saw that as someone that doesn't find any of the guys attractive or cute and the ladies as pretty or cute. I don't think any of them are ugly but just that no one is better than the other in looks. Once past that its a different story since personalities and behavior come into play. 

[gonecrackers]

On 6/23/2017 at 11:41 AM, humbleopinion said:

 Showing us the Unflitered show right after the Road trip episode erased the stupid Danielle/Cody cliff hanger, fade to black drama.

If you want to know it and don't want to watch Jamie Odious bat her eyelashes and bug her eyes out... I will spoil it to you in a PM because Danielle spilled the beans.

Was just going to watch this & realized I hadn't DVR'd it; can't find it online. PM the beans?

[Drogo]

Please take a moment to vote in the MAFS Viewer Poll.

[gonecrackers]

Makes sense as I hadn't watched the show yet; Unfiltered is there at the end.

Edited June 24, 2017 by gonecrackers

[humbleopinion]

Anthony's nice teeth are $30,000 veneers...is his healthy head of hair a $30,000 toupee?

Is nothing real on this show?????

[Guest]

21 minutes ago, humbleopinion said:

Anthony's nice teeth are $30,000 veneers...is his healthy head of hair a $30,000 toupee?

Is nothing real on this show?????

I doubt he has veneers. His sister mentioned a soccer accident, if I remember correctly.  My guess is implants.  I have one; it cost about $6,000. That was about 10 years ago.  He may have lost a few teeth, or they could have been so damaged that the roots died.  I had plenty of bone in my mouth for the implant, but an acquaintance had to have bone from her hip moved to create a sufficient platform for the screw.  $30,000 is not unrealistic depending on the amount of damage one has to his teeth.

[ChristmasJones]

If Danielle was really attracted to Cody, I don't think we'd be hearing anything about her exes.

I think the show is using that as a smokescreen for the fact she is not attracted to him. The "experts" are trying to force her to "get over" her lack of attraction to him.

JMO - you never really know with the crazy editing monkeys on this show, though

[KateHearts]

20 hours ago, 27bored said:

He's probably trying really hard to be responsible and do what he thinks a good husband is supposed to do...which is "help out" and "be there" and all that other stuff that people say that sounds better than it makes sense. So he's all with the tools and the white board and the shopping and wiping down counters and all that thinking maybe she'll open up if he plays house well enough.

 

Exactly.  There was never a strong physical attraction between them so I think trying "real hard" to be a domestic helper is backfiring for Cody.  It just makes him look desperate and sad, in my opinion.  If a couple has a great chemistry between them, then working on a team on the chores can be sexy... if they are just cohabitating then they are just doing what it takes to keep the household running.

20 hours ago, 27bored said:

I think Andrew and Ashley are kinda boring. She needs to stop reading into shit, because she seems like an undercover tight ass and it's hard to trust her big, bright smile sometimes.

I agree here.  She's looking to find something to be offended about and I find that dangerous.

As for Anthony's teeth- I noticed from minute 1 that they looked too perfect- like one straight, white bar across his mouth.  

[Guest]

This will be unpopular, but I sympathize with both Danielle and Cody.

Poor Danielle. I'm sure she didn't expect to be matched with a 25 year old who lives with his parents. I think the happiness that we saw at the wedding was dampened when she learned these two facts.  She likes adrenaline inducing activities, and he's timid. She likes adventurous restaurants, he prefers more ordinary fare. She's had relationships, he's had hookups. She doesn't think manly means Neanderthal, she thinks it means a man who has spent 10 years maturing. 

Poor Cody. I'm sure he didn't expect to be matched with someone who sees him as a teenager. He wants to grow with someone, not be attached to someone who sees herself as fully grown. 

Daniell is doing her best to smile and make it to the end without saying anything rude. I think it shows maturity.  Cody is complaining about not getting sex, which just shows how young he is. There probably isn't anything wrong with Cody that 10 years of maturing won't cure.

[Evil Queen]

1 hour ago, Swim mom said:

This will be unpopular, but I sympathize with both Danielle and Cody.

Poor Danielle. I'm sure she didn't expect to be matched with a 25 year old who lives with his parents. I think the happiness that we saw at the wedding was dampened when she learned these two facts.  She likes adrenaline inducing activities, and he's timid. She likes adventurous restaurants, he prefers more ordinary fare. She's had relationships, he's had hookups. She doesn't think manly means Neanderthal, she thinks it means a man who has spent 10 years maturing. 

Poor Cody. I'm sure he didn't expect to be matched with someone who sees him as a teenager. He wants to grow with someone, not be attached to someone who sees herself as fully grown. 

Daniell is doing her best to smile and make it to the end without saying anything rude. I think it shows maturity.  Cody is complaining about not getting sex, which just shows how young he is. There probably isn't anything wrong with Cody that 10 years of maturing won't cure.

I think a lot of what is making them both come off certain ways is how they have been edited. She was being edited like she wanted Cody for so long and wanted sex with him. So that has led to people calling him names for not giving it to her. Even though it was outed he tried more than once and was turned down. So I think being turned down led him to feel crappy like it would anyone. While at the time he was being edited to look like he had friend zoned her. Then a couple episodes ago we see Danielle admit finally she hasn't felt the chemistry she needed to move forward...which leads one to question why sign up for a show like this if chemistry is so important to her right out the gate. While that is said, we see Cody doing and saying how he is doing all these different things to be a good husband....which its things that some women wish a husband would do. Then we go to Danielle where it was now looking like she is stuck on her past ex(es). Then the letter burning bs and the "romanitcal" fire with him, just by chance, bringing her roses that same night. Of course its not going to led to anything with these too. As far as maturity goes, I don't think she is really as mature as she may think or tries to come off as. As for her "manly man" I don't think she even knows what that means or what she really wants in a man. He obviously has a lot of growing to do still in life as well. I kind of get the feeling they both are not attracted to each other and just "trying" because of the production/"experts" pushing them too. At least. so far, they haven't been horrible and mean to each other over it.