Season 8: Speculation and Spoilers Discussion

[anamika]

27 minutes ago, Bannon said:

Well, he did keep Jon & Co. in the loop with regard to the NK's movements, and that he had a zombie dragon. 

Maybe because the NK is his ancient enemy and he really wanted to defeat him. Has Bran tried to actively help in any of the human squabbles around him? Like when Sansa and Arya were getting manipulated by LF against each other last season? If the Tyrion betrayal leak is true, he knows what Tyrion is going to do. And yet says or does nothing.

I think the reason, they have not show Arya and Tyrion interacting as of yet is because FM Arya should be able to see through Tyrion and that he's hiding something. And unlike Bran, Arya pro-actively does go after her enemies.

[Bannon]

7 minutes ago, anamika said:

Maybe because the NK is his ancient enemy and he really wanted to defeat him. Has Bran tried to actively help in any of the human squabbles around him? Like when Sansa and Arya were getting manipulated by LF against each other last season? If the Tyrion betrayal leak is true, he knows what Tyrion is going to do. And yet says or does nothing.

I think the reason, they have not show Arya and Tyrion interacting as of yet is because FM Arya should be able to see through Tyrion and that he's hiding something. And unlike Bran, Arya pro-actively does go after her enemies.

Well, who knows for sure with regard to the inner motives of Bran at this point, but at the very least Jon or Davos or somebody oughta' be saying "Say, Bran, howz'about you get a fix on the location of Cersei's forces" and if Bran says he doesn't know, Jon, and Dany, especially, oughtha' have enough wits to take an aerial tour south at about 10,000 feet to get some intel. If these writers turn major characters into slack-jawed halfwits these last 3 episodes, so they can have their "surprise" plot twists, that's going to be really annoying, and I say that as someone who was mildly pleasantly surprised at the writing of the last episode.

[Dame sans merci]

14 minutes ago, anamika said:

Maybe because the NK is his ancient enemy and he really wanted to defeat him. Has Bran tried to actively help in any of the human squabbles around him? Like when Sansa and Arya were getting manipulated by LF against each other last season? If the Tyrion betrayal leak is true, he knows what Tyrion is going to do. And yet says or does nothing.

I think the reason, they have not show Arya and Tyrion interacting as of yet is because FM Arya should be able to see through Tyrion and that he's hiding something. And unlike Bran, Arya pro-actively does go after her enemies.

Wasn't there a deleted scene showing Bran telling the sisters what Littlefinger was up to? So the intention was there, at least, to show him participating. It's still very murky to me to what degree Bran can actually foresee things, so that would give them wiggle room, I suppose.

[SimoneS]

57 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Well, if he knew that Arya was going to be the one to deliver the death blow and everything indicates that he did, then he let thousands of people die for absolutely nothing.

That in my book makes him pretty evil and I don't care what his motivation is which is not like to be fleshed out anyway.

This whole idea that Bran would sit at the head of some sort of a council in the state he's in will make everything even more stupid.

It could be that the events had to play out exactly how they did to create the moment for Arya to kill the NK and if Bran told any of them, it would not have. I am thinking Endgame here.

[Eyes High]

51 minutes ago, Dame sans merci said:

Wasn't there a deleted scene showing Bran telling the sisters what Littlefinger was up to? So the intention was there, at least, to show him participating. It's still very murky to me to what degree Bran can actually foresee things, so that would give them wiggle room, I suppose.

I don't think that in the show Bran can generally foresee things beyond the occasional vision or is generally all-knowing. That's the limit the writers have placed on his powers so that the plot can work in certain ways. His powers seem to work like a library, like when Sam's information prompted him to go rummaging around in Rhaegar and Lyanna's past. He can look shit up if he wants to, but he doesn't automatically have all the information at his disposal. In the deleted scene, I think Sansa went to Bran to ask him about Littlefinger, which then led Bran to go rummaging around in Littlefinger's past to find out the truth (which Sansa then revealed at the trial). It's not that he knew everything about Littlefinger all along and was only waiting for Sansa to request that information.

That's why Bran's inscrutable stares don't make much sense to me if they're implying that Tyrion will do something terrible to the Starks/Dany/whomever in the future, since Bran generally doesn't know anything about the future. It doesn't make much sense to me if Tyrion has already done something terrible that Bran is letting Tyrion know he knows, since in 8x02 the writers in interviews handwaved Tyrion vouching for Cersei as Tyrion overestimating his own cleverness (rather than not explaining Tyrion's motivations at all), and Tyrion's plan in 8x02 seemed to be to get killed along with everyone else at Winterfell. And if Tyrion really does have something to hide and is wary of Bran, I doubt he'd be sitting down for a chat with an omniscient seer. So yeah, we'll have to see.

...On another note, someone on /Freefolk pointed out that under SAG ensemble award eligibility rules, you have to appear in four episodes to be eligible for an ensemble award. It therefore seems likely that Lena will appear in four episodes, which would mean that she would make it to 8x06.

...And on another note, for those who like speculating about hairstyle stuff, in Sophie's most recent BTS interview video about 8x03 (shot in Italica when they were filming 8x06), she moves her head a bit and you can see a bit more of Sansa's endgame hairstyle. It's similar to her 8x04 hairstyle from the stills--kind of a whorl piled on to the back of her head, like Cersei's hairstyles in S3/S4--but it looks like there's a small braid hanging down on either side, with the rest of the hair either hanging loose or in a bigger braid (it's hard to see). Very different from her 8x01-8x03 hair, which was a braided bun, a single braid hanging down the back, and the rest of the hair hanging loose. Sansa has never gone crazy with braids before (usually only having a single braid like Catelyn or a braided bun when she wore braids at all), so I'm interested in the new hairstyle.

Edited May 2, 2019 by Eyes High

[cambridgeguy]

57 minutes ago, Eyes High said:

...On another note, someone on /Freefolk pointed out that under SAG ensemble award eligibility rules, you have to appear in four episodes to be eligible for an ensemble award. It therefore seems likely that Lena will appear in four episodes, which would mean that she would make it to 8x06.

Does it count if you're a corpse?  Because if so then she could die in 5 and her corpse would be seen in 6.  It seems nice if you get a full episode's pay for taking a nap while other people act around you.

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I don't think that in the show Bran can generally foresee things beyond the occasional vision or is generally all-knowing. That's the limit the writers have placed on his powers so that the plot can work in certain ways. His powers seem to work like a library, like when Sam's information prompted him to go rummaging around in Rhaegar and Lyanna's past. He can look shit up if he wants to, but he doesn't automatically have all the information at his disposal. In the deleted scene, I think Sansa went to Bran to ask him about Littlefinger, which then led Bran to go rummaging around in Littlefinger's past to find out the truth (which Sansa then revealed at the trial). It's not that he knew everything about Littlefinger all along and was only waiting for Sansa to request that information.

He does seem to look for things that are designed to freak people out, though.  He knew about LF's chaos is a ladder quote, he knew (almost) exactly when Jaime was going to show up, and he knew what Sansa was wearing at her wedding to Ramsey.  If he knew what LF said in some random conversation to Varys then he should have known about the other crap he pulled long before Sansa finally confronted him with it.  In fact, if he knew Jaime was traveling solo then he should have known that Cersei's pledge was a lie, but he didn't say a word.

[Couver]

Gosh I hope these latest spoilers aren't true or play out very differently than they seem. It would undo years worth of character work for both Dany and Jon. A very unsatisfying conclusion for fans of either of those characters IMO.

[Eyes High]

Kit tells EW that 8x04 is one of his favourites:

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“One of my favorite episodes is 4 because the characters have seemingly got what they needed,” Harington says of the roughly 20 main characters still gathered at Winterfell. “The world is safe now. They’re celebrating and saying goodbye to lost friends. But as an audience you’re going, ‘This is only episode 4, something’s going to happen.’ And that’s the cool thing because I think the characters are aware of this as well. There’s something twisted and uncomfortable about it. It’s so Shakespearian.”

Sounds like some Red Wedding shit. (Not that there will be a Red Wedding, but that sense of dread and unease that Catelyn felt just before shit hit the fan.)

It could explain why the writers were so rhapsodic about 8x02. Those were the last moments of any sort of true unity and peace on Team Stargaryen before all the sturm und drang of the back four. Cersei and Euron are probably less fearsome final bosses and more mere catalysts for whatever's going to rip Team Stargaryen apart (or at least shake it to its foundations).

Edited May 2, 2019 by Eyes High

[GrailKing]

9 hours ago, Happy Harpy said:

Yes they did. But you said before that you refused to believe what they do even when it's written in black and white on a script, so I'm afraid a constructive discussion would be impossible. 🙂

The "extra" who gave info on the WF battle, which seemed believable enough, was BS (said that Tyrion and Sam manned a door together, for example). It seems that people who filmed for Ex06 had to wear special badges to enter the set. I doubt very much they have filmed a big spoilery scene in front of extras. Imo, the most important scenes were done in studios or in extra-securized sets if they had to film them outside.

I wonder why there's only Drogon above Dany's fleet in the trailer. Rhaegal is seen flying above WF but there might be a hole in his wing. Maybe he can't fly for long. It could be the writers' way of grounding a dragon and put Cersei in a better position.

There was word that Cersei was deposed by episode 4. Not sure it's going to happen. I thought she might send the GC to WF and surprise attack the survivors, I'm not sure it's going to happen either. Part of her forces should attack the Riverlands again (the Freys were on Cersei's side). But imo if they have to last 3 more episodes -although I'd take three other 8x02 and be the happiest camper- imo she will stay in KL with most of her troops because that's a way of avoiding an annihilation of Cersei's army by dragon(s).

I'm not sure that Daenerys knows of Cersei's pregnancy, or if it's common knowledge. I thought it was, but something in the way P.Dinklage played it when Tyrion and Jaime discussed it made me wonder. I don't think it was ever mentioned in front of her. Tyrion said to Sansa that Cersei "had a reason to live" but without specifying it.

I thought that long summers and long winters were owed to the climate and not specifically to the NK.

WRG to the crypt, there was no hostility there, so what they say and what's shown doesn't match.

As far as these leaks, I didn't mention them.

[MrsR]

What I'm really hoping for is for them all to go south to find that Qyburn has found a way to zombify the GC and it's all back on!!!

I just didn't realize how much I was looking forward to seeing zombies in King's Landing.

[anamika]

1 hour ago, Eyes High said:

And on another note, for those who like speculating about hairstyle stuff, in Sophie's most recent BTS interview video about 8x03 (shot in Italica when they were filming 8x06), she moves her head a bit and you can see a bit more of Sansa's endgame hairstyle. It's similar to her 8x04 hairstyle from the stills

How are folks so sure that this is in Italica?

Like, I can say that Isaac and John Bradley are at the Italica amphitheater ruins because we can see it behind them, but here it's just grass and flowers.

Or is there another video?

Sansa is also yet to wear her fish scale dress. I don't think she is going to wear that if she is staying in Winterfell. So maybe during her journey south.

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[Constantinople]

7 hours ago, anamika said:

...

In other news:

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Were you sad that the Night King died?

I can’t even tell you — I was supposed to hold so many [secrets], say nothing about this episode. Not even my family knew. For me, when he died on the TV, I said, “Now I am free.” I can say anything on the street. But when I saw how she killed him, I had many different feelings inside. Me as myself, I said, “No, no, why! Don’t kill him!” I’d like to stop her. “Don’t, don’t kill him! He’s not so bad.”

You think he’s not so bad?

Look, we think he’s going to kill Bran, but who knows if he’s going to kill him? He doesn’t rush. Maybe he had different [plans]. Maybe he wanted to do something else. You know? Then she kills him. But maybe he was gonna show them, “No, no, no, wait, I’m here for something else!”

https://www.vulture.com/2019/04/game-of-thrones-vladimir-furdik-night-king-interview.html

To knight Bran, which is why he was reaching for is sword just before Ayra murdered him.

Just as The Prince Who Was Promised was mistranslated so that people thought it could only be a man, The Knight King was mistranslated as The Night King

[Eyes High]

17 minutes ago, anamika said:

How are folks so sure that this is in Italica?

Like, I can say that Isaac and John Bradley are at the Italica amphitheater ruins because we can see it behind them, but here it's just grass and flowers. Is there anything else that hints at Italica?

But I agree the hairstyle looks the same.

Sansa is also yet to wear her fish scale dress. I don't think she is going to wear that if she is staying in Winterfell. So maybe during her journey south.

I don't know that Sansa goes south at all prior to the epilogue. There was speculation on /Freefolk that the super spoilery scroll from the last episode that Sophie concealed in her wallet was a letter from Jon informing her of the events in KL, which indeed would be enormous spoilers. It would be similar to the scroll she got in 7x07 advising her of Jon bending the knee.

The actors who filmed their BTS interviews in the outdoors seem to be the lead Italica actors who filmed, minus Peter Dinklage (who according to Friki had hair extensions for his 8x06 trial scene): Sophie, Maisie, Isaac, John Bradley, Liam, Gwendoline, Jacob, and Joe (who apparently filmed at Italica after all). And the fact that Sophie, Maisie, and John Bradley are wearing smocks over their costumes seems like a hint that their costumes are spoilery, which again points to Italica (where 8x06 and likely endgame scenes were filmed).

I don't think Sophie's wearing the fish scale dress in the BTS interviews under the smock, since that dress has a collar and whatever costume Sophie's wearing underneath the smock (and she probably is wearing a costume since you can see glimpses of Maisie and John Bradley's costumes' collars underneath their smocks) has no collar. All of Sansa's S7/S8 Winterfell dresses have had collars. Maybe Sansa gets a new lease on life and starts wearing (slightly) more revealing clothing. Or maybe Sansa ends up in the south and doesn't need to wear warm dresses anymore.

In addition to the fish scale dress, which I agree doesn't seem like a very Winterfell sort of outfit, we have yet to see Tyrion's extremely Lannister outfit from the EW cover shoot. Usually, they don't have inherently spoilery costumes in the photoshoots, so if Tyrion does betray the Starks/Dany/whomever, I'd be really surprised that they would choose that particular outfit for him to wear for a preseason promo shoot. It would be like showing Kit in an outfit with Targ colours.

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[anamika]

23 minutes ago, Eyes High said:

The actors who filmed their BTS interviews in the outdoors seem to be the lead Italica actors who filmed, minus Peter Dinklage (who according to Friki had hair extensions for his 8x06 trial scene): Sophie, Maisie, Isaac, John Bradley, Liam, Gwendoline, Jacob, and Joe (who apparently filmed at Italica after all). And the fact that Sophie, Maisie, and John Bradley are wearing smocks over their costumes seems like a hint that their costumes are spoilery, which again points to Italica (where 8x06 and likely endgame scenes were filmed).

If Sophie, Maisie, Isaac, John, Liam, Gwendoline, Jacob and Joe are all in Italica filming the same single scene why are all their backgrounds - assuming these are done between takes - so very different? Sophie is sitting in front of some tall grass and flowers, Isaac/John Bradley in the Italica ruins, Gwen/Liam in front of a forest behind them, Joe sitting with some greenery and an old castle like building behind him. 

Are they shooting different scenes?

What they are wearing is also not to cover up costumes. That's the blouse over which they wear their costumes. In an earlier post, I linked to PAP4U's secret pics from last season of Kit and Gwen wearing the same thing.  This is them between takes not wearing their heavy/tight costumes. Sometimes there's little tubes of air circulating in these things to keep the actor cool. 

 Is this Italica with the big road and the trees nearby?

In this picture, Gwen is wearing that grey blouse underneath her costume. You can see it peeking through near her neck.

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[Eyes High]

21 minutes ago, anamika said:

If Sophie, Maisie, Isaac, John, Liam, Gwendoline, Jacob and Joe are all in Italica filming the same single scene why are all their backgrounds - assuming these are done between takes - so very different? Sophie is sitting in front of some tall grass and flowers, Isaac/John Bradley in the Italica ruins, Gwen/Liam in front of a forest behind them, Joe sitting with some greenery and an old castle like building behind him. 

Are they shooting different scenes?

What they are wearing is also not to cover up costumes. That's the blouse over which they wear their costumes. In an earlier post, I linked to PAP4U's secret pics from last season of Kit and Gwen wearing the same thing.  This is them between takes not wearing their heavy/tight costumes. Sometimes there's little tubes of air circulating in these things to keep the actor cool. 

Yes, typically the smocks are worn underneath, but in John Bradley and Maisie's cases, they're wearing the smocks over something: you can see the collars of whatever they're wearing underneath peeking over the tops of the smocks at the neckline. Also, to my recollection I have never seen actors wearing those smocks for their BTS interviews. They have always done them in full costume with hair and makeup done, and indeed Liam, Joe, Jacob and Gwendoline are in full costume for their BTS interviews.

The other thing that makes me think that they're already wearing their costumes underneath the smocks is that their hair and makeup are done, which would happen after they get into costume and not before. Sophie and Maisie have their hair done. Maisie has the scar Arya has in the 8x04 stills. So they're wearing the smocks to cover something up, in my opinion. Given that an endgame scene was filmed at Italica as far as we know, it wouldn't surprise me if the costumes were spoilery. 

John Bradley's Sam costume could be spoilery if Sam is dressed in the rich clothing of a southern lord as opposed to the NW gear.

Maisie's Arya costume could be spoilery if it's a big departure from the Ned-type leather jackets she has been wearing, or something much more "ladylike" than before.

Sophie's Sansa costume could be spoilery if it's not a typical Lady of Winterfell black dress. If she ends up with Robin, for example, a blue/cream dress would give that away.

And of course, the costumes for Liam, Jacob, Gwendoline and Joe don't give anything away. Davos has the same damn thing he always wears. Brienne has a slightly fancier version of the blue tunic Brienne wears when not in armour. Grey Worm has his Unsullied armour. And Gendry has a slashed leather tunic that while nice doesn't give anything away, either. So if the actors playing those characters are allowed to show their costumes, why aren't Sophie, Maisie and John Bradley?

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[GraceK]

Well, I have to give them credit. They have certainly raised my anxiety levels. 

[QuinnM]

27 minutes ago, Eyes High said:

Yes, typically the smocks are worn underneath, but in John Bradley and Maisie's cases, they're wearing the smocks over something: you can see the collars of whatever they're wearing underneath peeking over the tops of the smocks at the neckline. Also, to my recollection I have never seen actors wearing those smocks for their BTS interviews. They have always done them in full costume with hair and makeup done, and indeed Liam, Joe, Jacob and Gwendoline are in full costume for their BTS interviews.

The only time I saw disrobing in these smocks was with Arya and Gentry.  Both of them had a simple ascot around their necks under the smocks.  Doesn't mean that there is misdirection with the interview costume but they do have that fabric at the neck on screen.

[Umbelina]

2 hours ago, Eyes High said:

That's why Bran's inscrutable stares don't make much sense to me if they're implying that Tyrion will do something terrible to the Starks/Dany/whomever in the future, since Bran generally doesn't know anything about the future. It doesn't make much sense to me if Tyrion has already done something terrible that Bran is letting Tyrion know he knows, since in 8x02 the writers in interviews handwaved Tyrion vouching for Cersei as Tyrion overestimating his own cleverness (rather than not explaining Tyrion's motivations at all), and Tyrion's plan in 8x02 seemed to be to get killed along with everyone else at Winterfell. And if Tyrion really does have something to hide and is wary of Bran, I doubt he'd be sitting down for a chat with an omniscient seer. So yeah, we'll have to see. 

I think it makes complete sense (in context) that while Bran may be able to know all, past, present, and future, obviously he couldn't possibly "see" all of it at the same time, that would be nuts.  I'm trying to think of an analogy here.  Maybe think of it as having every single TV show ever constantly running in your brain, obviously, you have to pick and choose what to "watch" and what may be the most important thing to look at right then.  In Bran's reality, of course, it's the entire history, present, and future of the world, so even trickier.

Bran's look at Tyrion reminds me of the look that Red priestess gave him long ago.

3 hours ago, Dame sans merci said:

Wasn't there a deleted scene showing Bran telling the sisters what Littlefinger was up to? So the intention was there, at least, to show him participating. It's still very murky to me to what degree Bran can actually foresee things, so that would give them wiggle room, I suppose.

Along with what I said above, I think Bran would, by necessity, have to only bother to look at the things that have serious implications for the future, and not for individuals, but for humanity.  ??

3 hours ago, SimoneS said:

It could be that the events had to play out exactly how they did to create the moment for Arya to kill the NK and if Bran told any of them, it would not have. I am thinking Endgame here.

Yes, that's kind of what I'm saying.  Bran isn't going to prevent all bad things from happening to certain people, especially if those bad things will help the overall goal for the majority of human life.  He's beyond those concerns.  Everyone alive will die, which particular moment they die may, or may not be important in the overall scheme of things.

1 hour ago, MrsR said:

What I'm really hoping for is for them all to go south to find that Qyburn has found a way to zombify the GC and it's all back on!!!

I just didn't realize how much I was looking forward to seeing zombies in King's Landing.

1 hour ago, Eyes High said:

Sounds like some Red Wedding shit. (Not that there will be a Red Wedding, but that sense of dread and unease that Catelyn felt just before shit hit the fan.)

Don't know why Primetimer combined these two quotes.

First one:  I seriously doubt that in the BOOKS (if they ever come) Winter is only happening in Winterfell, and it's all handled in a day.  I'd be stunned if the problems of Winter don't make it to KL and the rest of Westeros before they are defeated.

Second quote:  I'm getting a spidery feeling that there really is going to be another Wedding (and subsequent deaths.)  It makes sense for GRRM, it makes sense for the TV show, and actually, it would be kind of cool!  Just little comments here and there keep pinging, "watch for costumes" and the actual spoiler that there is another wedding, and then all kinds of little things being said here and there.   What color though?  Gold?  White?  Black?  Those would be my top guesses.  The symmetry works, certainly for both show and books.

[WindyNights]

Friki's saying that's he not confident in anyof his info anymore besides Tyrion's trial. 

So Jon and Dany are back on the chopping block.

[Eyes High]

15 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

Bran's look at Tyrion reminds me of the look that Red priestess gave him long ago.

Sure, but that never amounted to anything, either. The "Great War" against the Red Priestesses' mortal enemy came and went without Tyrion doing much of anything.

Bran's ominous stares are the main thing that make me think that there is ultimately some sort of betrayal with Tyrion, although it seems strange that not one of these leakers seems to have any idea what exactly the betrayal is, and there's some argument as to who's getting betrayed and what Tyrion's reasons are. (Friki says it's the Starks, there's recent speculation that the betrayal is Tyrion killing Dany, that recent 4chan leaker claimed that the betrayal was out of jealousy, etc.). Tyrion definitely seems like he's caught in the middle with Dany (who is souring on him as Hand), Jaime (who will want him to protect Cersei's baby), and the Starks (who may be angling to crown Jon once they find out about his parentage), and he's going to get pulled in one direction or another.

In true GOT fashion, if there is some great treason on Tyrion's part, maybe Sansa's the one who sniffs it out when she's at Winterfell with Bran in 8x05 and that's the reason for this mysterious scroll from 8x06...although a scroll granting the North their independence or informing Sansa of the death of Cersei also seems possible.

8 minutes ago, WindyNights said:

Friki's saying that's he not confident in anyof his info anymore besides Tyrion's trial. 

So Jon and Dany are back on the chopping block.

That's wise, given that he's been wrong about several things so far in S8 apart from his correct 8x01 summary.

I really don't see Jon dying now that he's survived the "Great War." There was also that scene Kit and Kristofer filmed in Randalstown Forest which now seems like it only could have been from the endgame. I'm less sure about Dany, but as I said, if Dany's last GOT scene was filmed in Dubrovnik, it couldn't have been a death scene.

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[Umbelina]

Also, that one comment from that podcast bothered me.

Ice Spiders and Giant Wolves are too unbelievable?

Hello!  This show has dragons and zombies and warging and births fire thingies to kill people! 

I hardly thing wolves and spiders, done well, would throw things off that much.  I think it's sad that they didn't hire the guys that did the amazing wolves in the Twilight series.  By the end, they were so completely realistic, and believable.  The lack of wolves in this series has bothered me, especially when I know that they could have done them, had a perfect team in place with a ton of experience making extremely realistic large wolves, etc.

[Umbelina]

2 minutes ago, Eyes High said:

18 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

Bran's look at Tyrion reminds me of the look that Red priestess gave him long ago.

Sure, but that never amounted to anything, either. The "Great War" against the Red Priestesses' mortal enemy came and went without Tyrion doing much of anything.

Yet.

3 minutes ago, Eyes High said:

Bran's ominous stares are the main thing that make me think that there is ultimately some sort of betrayal with Tyrion, although it seems strange that not one of these leakers seems to have any idea what exactly the betrayal is, and there's some argument as to who's getting betrayed and what Tyrion's reasons are. (Friki says it's the Starks, there's recent speculation that the betrayal is Tyrion killing Dany, that recent 4chan leaker claimed that the betrayal was out of jealousy, etc.). Tyrion definitely seems like he's caught in the middle with Dany (who is souring on him as Hand), Jaime (who will want him to protect Cersei's baby), and the Starks (who may be angling to crown Jon once they find out about his parentage), and he's going to get pulled in one direction or another.

In true GOT fashion, if there is some great treason on Tyrion's part, maybe Sansa's the one who sniffs it out when she's at Winterfell with Bran in 8x05 and that's the reason for this mysterious scroll from 8x06...although a scroll granting the North their independence or informing Sansa of the death of Cersei also seems possible.

Could be betrayal, certainly.  It could also be something else, for example the spoiler that he ends up joint-running Westeros.  Could be both of those, or those + something else so significant that both the Red priestess and Bran can't help but "see" it. 

Whatever it is, it certainly seems like Tyrion is a critical part of the end game.

[tangerine95]

It seems to me that Friki was only ever confident in his Tyrion leak and the episode 1 summary.The rest were his speculation,including Jon and Dany.And now that the show really surprised him he's less sure and thinks anything could happen.Which is pretty much most people after episode 3 lol.

[Eyes High]

3 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

Yet.

Regarding the Red Priestess...the NK has been defeated. Tyrion didn't do much to help, but he didn't anything to thwart that, either. And the Red Priestess isn't going to care about Tyrion betraying the Starks. If he commits some mass atrocity like burning KL as previously speculated, then yeah, sure, but otherwise, I dunno.

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Could be betrayal, certainly.  It could also be something else, for example the spoiler that he ends up joint-running Westeros.  Could be both of those, or those + something else so significant that both the Red priestess and Bran can't help but "see" it. 

But the Red Priestesses and Bran have only ever cared about the Great War, and it's over. Unless it comes out that Tyrion was secretly plotting with the NK to take over Westeros, I don't understand why they would have any interest in Tyrion whatsoever, and Bran certainly seems to have a keen interest in Tyrion when no one other than the NK barely registers. With the "mystical" portion of the GOT program firmly in the rear view mirror with the defeat of the NK, I don't know why Bran has and the Red Priestess had such a keen interest in Tyrion.

[Umbelina]

1 minute ago, Eyes High said:

Regarding the Red Priestess...the NK has been defeated. Tyrion didn't do much to help, but he didn't anything to thwart that, either. And the Red Priestess isn't going to care about Tyrion betraying the Starks. If he commits some mass atrocity like burning KL as previously speculated, then yeah, sure, but otherwise, I dunno.

But the Red Priestesses and Bran have only ever cared about the Great War, and it's over. Unless it comes out that Tyrion was secretly plotting with the NK to take over Westeros, I don't understand why they would have any interest in Tyrion whatsoever, and Bran certainly seems to have a keen interest in Tyrion when no one other than the NK barely registers. With the "mystical" portion of the GOT program firmly in the rear view mirror with the defeat of the NK, I don't know why Bran has and the Red Priestess had such a keen interest in Tyrion.

I don't think we know that.  At all.

Actually it seems to me to be very unlikely that either would only have ONE thing they care about. 

[Happy Harpy]

2 hours ago, GrailKing said:

As far as these leaks, I didn't mention them.

Anything after the smiley wasn't an answer to you.

31 minutes ago, WindyNights said:

Friki's saying that's he not confident in anyof his info anymore besides Tyrion's trial. 

So Jon and Dany are back on the chopping block.

Frikidoctor only ever speculated they'd live, so it doesn't change anything as far as concrete info goes.

[nikma]

37 minutes ago, WindyNights said:

Friki's saying that's he not confident in anyof his info anymore besides Tyrion's trial. 

Link please?

[Statman]

10 minutes ago, nikma said:

Link please?

https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/bjqd6n/translation_of_latest_friki_dr_video_and_a_friend/

[screamin]

23 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

Actually it seems to me to be very unlikely that either would only have ONE thing they care about. 

At least in Melisandre's case, she seemed quite happy to give up on life as soon as the NK died, so it did seem like the only thing she cared about getting done.

[nikma]

It also seems that Friki thinks Dorne will join Dany. 

[Umbelina]

3 minutes ago, screamin said:

At least in Melisandre's case, she seemed quite happy to give up on life as soon as the NK died, so it did seem like the only thing she cared about getting done.

She's done many thing though, not just that, saved Jon, had Stannis do shit, etc.

Also, I mean the other Red Priestess, and it's possible they have different duties.

[GraceK]

They have also really played up Drogons connection to Daenerys last season and this season. Last episode when Drogon wrapped his wings around her while she cried was so humanizing that it made even the most anti dany fans feel sympathy. It’s possible that it’s not Dany that burns Kings Landing, But Drogon if something happens to his mother , like she’s injured by Cersei or Euron. With the cryptic statement by Qyburn of “ other plans for the Targaryen Girl” it’s not out of the realm of possibility that Cersei or Euron manages to either injure Daenarys or do some harm to her that causes Drogon to go apeshit on Kings Landing.

or if Rhaegal gets shot down by Euron, that Drogon reacts in rage. He’s protective of his brother, we saw that in the dragon fight in the Long Night.

Edited May 2, 2019 by GraceK

[Umbelina]

14 minutes ago, Statman said:

https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/bjqd6n/translation_of_latest_friki_dr_video_and_a_friend/

Some of these are very interesting.

[Eyes High]

29 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

Some of these are very interesting.

Friki's been wrong about so much for S8 apart from 8x01 that the only thing worth paying attention to is his Tyrion trial leak, and I wouldn't even pay attention to that except that it aligns with other information we have about Seville.

With that said, if there is a Tyrion trial then like Friki I wouldn't expect Sansa/Tyrion to be a thing, for obvious reasons.

Edited May 2, 2019 by Eyes High

[nikma]

I think either Tyrion or Dany will die. Third big twist is coming.

[Wouter]

18 hours ago, Umbelina said:

This one is all true so far, except perhaps about Lyanna, but she's dead, so she would?  They corrected it to say Jon kills Dany, the only thing that hasn't happened yet.

From an Emily interviews:  https://www.inverse.com/article/54030-game-of-thrones-season-8-spoilers-emilia-clarke-daenerys-ending

“She starts feeling pretty cocksure and confident, and then stuff happens,” Clarke tells BAZAAR.com of Dany’s arrival North and her first encounter with Sansa Stark (Sophie Turner), which HBO teased in early promos.

“Every single piece that I put on made sense for the scene that I was in, and made sense with the place that the character’s in at that time,” she said. “There’s a real through-line for this particular season, there’s a real arc and I feel like fans, like hardcore fans, will clock what’s happening within the reflection of the clothing.”

about the ending:  “It fucked me up,” she said then. “Knowing that is going to be a lasting flavor in someone’s mouth of what Daenerys is.”

The shocking death really seems like it could be Dany.

18 hours ago, GraceK said:

Or Tyrion.

Neither Tyrion nor Dany was named among the characters that are "known" to be still alive by ep5. This makes it unlikely that either Tyrion or Dany would be the person getting killed, as they should then be named among the characters who are still alive to be in ep.5. Especially so, sinc the person claiming this info says he does not know if this supposed scene is in ep5 or in ep6, so the person getting killed could even end ep5 alive.

16 hours ago, Jextella said:

I feel a build up to Dany losing her you-know-what has been in the works since the beginning.  She's changed dramatically from the beginning and is now pretty ruthless. 

I don't feel Dany has changed. Dany already had a ruthless streak in S1, killing the wineseller and watching her brother die. And her compassionate side is also still there.

6 hours ago, Eyes High said:

Looking back at Sansa and Tyrion's scene, assuming Tyrion does die, their little moment could be the writers' way of giving Sansa/Tyrion closure as a ship just like Jaime/Brienne in 8x02 (and like Theon/Sansa in 8x02 if you ship it). That might also explain why they didn't talk about it very much in the BTS videos, since "We wanted them to have one last nice moment before Tyrion betrays the fuck out of the Starks" isn't exactly the sort of thing you announce.

Would anyone want closure on a nearly non-existent "ship" though? They could also have left it at their ep1 interaction, or ignored them alltogether like Sansa and Sandor.

6 hours ago, Callista said:

Another question that I'm also wondering about: what did Cersei mean when she said back in Season 7 that she would like the Golden Company to recover some things that belong to her? 

The part of the 7 kingdoms that are not under her control, like the North, the Vale, Dorne,...

1 hour ago, WindyNights said:

Friki's saying that's he not confident in anyof his info anymore besides Tyrion's trial.

Interestingly, this may mean that Friki doesn't get solid info (like that of ep.1) anymore. Otherwise he should be very confident, yet probably afraid to make it public.

33 minutes ago, nikma said:

It also seems that Friki thinks Dorne will join Dany. 

It would make sense (at least in the show, without an FAegon). Dorne hates Lannisters.

[Eyes High]

24 minutes ago, nikma said:

I think either Tyrion or Dany will die. Third big twist is coming.

The third big twist won't be anything to do with the main characters. D&D have always been very respectful about not openly spoiling GRRM's main plot points from the unpublished books. (They have never even confirmed that R+L=J is from the unpublished books, which it obviously is.) The two previous WTF twists--Hodor and Shireen--involved very minor characters and had no impact on the main storyline, which is why D&D had GRRM's blessing to reveal them. The third big twist will be the same, in my opinion. It will be something like Sam writing A Song of Ice and Fire, or the words Varys heard in the flames. Nothing that answers any big questions, no huge character deaths, just a tantalizing Easter egg for book readers.

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Would anyone want closure on a nearly non-existent "ship" though? They could also have left it at their ep1 interaction, or ignored them alltogether like Sansa and Sandor.

I agree. If Tyrion is tried for betraying the Starks and executed, though, I have no explanation for that 8x03 scene, or for how Tyrion is being written in S8 in general, or for Peter Dinklage openly talking about Tyrion's potential death if in fact he does die, or for Peter Dinklage correctly guessing Tyrion's ending. We'll know soon enough. Maybe it will all make sense in retrospect. I get the sense that 8x04 is a very eventful episode.

I do think that that extremely Lannister costume Peter Dinklage wore for the EW photoshoot (Lannister gold clasps, gold swirls on black fabric, etc.) is important. In S8 Tyrion has been wearing outfits with that striped silver/black pattern on them, and that seems to be the case in 8x04 as well from the still. At some point, he has to wear that Lannister outfit. Is that when he decides to side with the Lannisters definitively, thus committing treason? (...Although Friki's source said Tyrion's treason is revealed in a scene with Jon, Dany, Arya and Sansa, that's separate, and if he's strutting around in full Lannister drag, you'd think that would kind of be a tipoff.)

Edited May 2, 2019 by Eyes High

[Jextella]

29 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

Some of these are very interesting.

Funny timing.  I agree there is more to Arya yet to come.

I was just watching S1E4 when Ned visits Arya while she's training.  Arya tells Ned Bran wants to be a Knight of the Kingsward and then asks if it is still possible given his situation.  Ned says he could be Lord of a Holdfast or sit on the King's Council or that he could perhaps raise castles like Brandon the Builder.

Arya asks him if she could be a Lord of a Holdfast.  Ned says she will marry a high lord and rule his castle and that her sons will be knights and princes and knights and lords.

Arya firmly says "No.  That's not me." and she quickly resumes her training.  It's clear in that moment she's going to go down a non-traditional path.

There are clues in these old episodes but I'd need a month to rewatch them all :(

[QuinnM]

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The part of the 7 kingdoms that are not under her control, like the North, the Vale, Dorne,...

Gemma Whelen (Yara) has posted on her insta in costume.  So There will be more ships.

[Constantinople]

All I know is I'll be pissed if there is some kind of council or parliament or whatever, and Edmure represents the Riverlands

[Couver]

2 hours ago, Umbelina said:

Also, that one comment from that podcast bothered me.

Ice Spiders and Giant Wolves are too unbelievable?

Hello!  This show has dragons and zombies and warging and births fire thingies to kill people! 

I hardly thing wolves and spiders, done well, would throw things off that much.  I think it's sad that they didn't hire the guys that did the amazing wolves in the Twilight series.  By the end, they were so completely realistic, and believable.  The lack of wolves in this series has bothered me, especially when I know that they could have done them, had a perfect team in place with a ton of experience making extremely realistic large wolves, etc.

I always felt like they put the CGI money toward other things and had very little left for the Direwolves. They were well done in early seasons. Greywind especially. As the dragons started having to appear more I noticed the wolves either (got killed off) or started looking less realistic. It is sad because I wish the wolves had as prominent a place as the dragons. Plus I hated all of their deaths!

[domina89]

23 minutes ago, Couver said:

I always felt like they put the CGI money toward other things and had very little left for the Direwolves. They were well done in early seasons. Greywind especially. As the dragons started having to appear more I noticed the wolves either (got killed off) or started looking less realistic. It is sad because I wish the wolves had as prominent a place as the dragons. Plus I hated all of their deaths!

Let's hope Ghost and Nymeria get better endings than their siblings... as in survival.  But now I'm worried again with the speculation the GC might attack Winterfell.  

[Couver]

7 minutes ago, domina89 said:

Let's hope Ghost and Nymeria get better endings than their siblings... as in survival.  But now I'm worried again with the speculation the GC might attack Winterfell.  

My only wishes for this season were that Ghost, Rhaegal, and Drogon would live. I'll handle any other deaths but theirs. Nymeria was smart and got out of there before it all went south.

[GraceK]

24 minutes ago, Couver said:

My only wishes for this season were that Ghost, Rhaegal, and Drogon would live. I'll handle any other deaths but theirs. Nymeria was smart and got out of there before it all went south.

Nymeria survived because ARYA was smart enough to make sure she got the hell out of there. Arya sacrificed her own Wolf to make sure she survived . One part of the books that I love the most is that Nymeria never breaks her connection with Arya and hunts down all the Frey’s in the Riverlands and murders them all. She’s seriously one of the most terrifying Direwolves besides Grey Wind. It’s a shame they omitted that part from the show.

Talking about wolves though, I do find it interesting that both shots of Ghost, the first one in the Long Night, and the second one in the preview for episode 4, show him on team Dany. He’s not with the Starks. He rode out With Jorah and the Dothraki, and In the previews he’s standing with team Targaryen.  Hint ? Showing us that Jon’s allegiance  is with Daenerys?

Edited May 2, 2019 by GraceK

[Notwisconsin]

They ALL deserve to DIe!!!!!

—Sweeny Todd.

[Raachel2008]

Ah, pluuuuze. Those suckers are so in love with the dragons that they don’t want to give 5 seconds of their screen time to wolves or spiders, or whatever. They want their magic when it suits them - dragons - but as soon it is something they don’t like magic becomes stupid.

And it is not like the wolves are creatures that showed up in the last episode of season 7 and they didn’t have time to find a way to work around them and throw the fans a bone. They simple don’t care. 

[Umbelina]

If there are dragons, I would think there would have to also be the Ice people, so they may all die, or maybe Jon takes one North to help out with heating his tent or something.

[Umbelina]

27 minutes ago, Raachel2008 said:

Ah, pluuuuze. Those suckers are so in love with the dragons that they don’t want to give 5 seconds of their screen time to wolves or spiders, or whatever. They want their magic when it suits them - dragons - but as soon it is something they don’t like magic becomes stupid.

And it is not like the wolves are creatures that showed up in the last episode of season 7 and they didn’t have time to find a way to work around them and throw the fans a bone. They simple don’t care. 

It's just sad because the team that did the wolves for the Twilight series really had it down by the 3rd book/show, and by the 4th, they were just outstanding.  They spent a lot of time with wolves, and perfected everything, including all the different textures of hair they have and their behavior, gaits, etc.  I would think they could have done the wolves for this show with a hand tied behind their backs.

[MarySNJ]

I thought Arya killing the Night King was a brilliant scene, but totally not what I expected. Still, I can't figure out how Arya fits in the "PTWP" and "AA Reborn" prophesies. Jon and Dany and few others can fit one or the other of these prophecies if you squint and look sideways. The only thing that makes any sense to me is that the showrunners decided to ignore the prophecies for the payoff of a surprise in that episode. 

Maybe I'm missing something? Does anyone have a theory that works?

[nikma]

3 hours ago, Eyes High said:

The third big twist won't be anything to do with the main characters.

I completely disagree.