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S06.E16: Character and Fitness


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Mike needs Harvey and Rachel's help to overcome an impossible obstacle, or his dream of becoming a real lawyer is over. Donna's new venture hits a snag. Louis tries to patch things up with Tara. 

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I gave up (finally) on this show twenty minutes into Ep 14. Will someone please have mercy on me? I would appreciate a short recap of the last three episodes of this season, an executive summary, if you will, if anyone has the stomach for it. TIA

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Anyone know what happened in the last 10 minutes? USA went black on us (Comcast DC area) and is still off the air. Was it that way for everyone or just us?

The whole premise is totally ridiculous. I thought last season was the series finale, we could have done without this season at all. Is it coming back for another season? I doubt I'll be tuning in if it is.

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33 minutes ago, Ms Lark said:

Anyone know what happened in the last 10 minutes? USA went black on us (Comcast DC area) and is still off the air. Was it that way for everyone or just us?

The whole premise is totally ridiculous. I thought last season was the series finale, we could have done without this season at all. Is it coming back for another season? I doubt I'll be tuning in if it is.

Oh, everyone's getting it all, except Louis ofc.

Mike gets to be a lawyer for PSL and the clinic, gives the clinic a bunch of money, bring over Oliver, and gets Harvey's office while he takes Jessica's and heads the firm.  Louis got dumped by stupid Tara and her unborn baby.

The screen said, "Back this summer," or something to that effect.  I wish this show would just end already.

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9 minutes ago, PumpkinPK said:
45 minutes ago, Ms Lark said:

Anyone know what happened in the last 10 minutes? USA went black on us (Comcast DC area) and is still off the air. Was it that way for everyone or just us?

The whole premise is totally ridiculous. I thought last season was the series finale, we could have done without this season at all. Is it coming back for another season? I doubt I'll be tuning in if it is.

Oh, everyone's getting it all, except Louis ofc.

Mike gets to be a lawyer for PSL and the clinic, gives the clinic a bunch of money, bring over Oliver, and gets Harvey's office while he takes Jessica's and heads the firm.  Louis got dumped by stupid Tara and her unborn baby.

The screen said, "Back this summer," or something to that effect.  I wish this show would just end already

Oh, and Jessica thinks the Chicago bar (she means Illinois) isn't going to care if she is disbarred in NY for admitting she knew that Mike was a fraud.  If any further lawsuits are filed against her or the firm for Mike's unlicensed shenanigans, she's now voided their malpractice insurance, that's for sure.

And even though Donna is going to get paid a lot of money for something she didn't even invent, she's not happy about her lack of credit, and made vague noises about needing "more."

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So just so we're clear, Mike begs to keep his job at the clinic... then accepts a job at Specter/Litt 24 hours later?

But yeah, Mike's a lawyer, Harvey's managing partner, and Louis gets dumped. Seems pretty par for the course on this show.

The only part I liked was Theo Huxtable's takedown of Gibbs at the hearing. Mike didn't deserve his support, but Gibbs' obsession was over the top.

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So is Harvey paying Mike a quarter million dollar advance?  $5,000 per month for the clinic is $60,000 per year, which Harvey said was half of what he was offering Mike, and then Mike told him to double it.

ETA:  I miscalculated by a power of 10, as per Joimiaroxeu:

"I went back and watched it again because I couldn't believe the numbers I was hearing. Mike gave the clinic $50,000 (they repeated the number several times) and the guy who runs it said "thirty days of rent". Assuming he meant the money would all go to rent and not mostly to salaries, that's $600,000 a year, which would mean Harvey offered Mike $1.2M. Mike then negotiated up to $2.4M. But then I googled "Manhattan office space rent" and $5,000/month seems more like it. Either someone really goofed in the script or the $50K represents all the clinic's monthly overhead and not just rent. So, no-law-degree-having Mike gets rewarded a $2.4M salary for years of illegal behavior. They'll probably make him a partner next and put his name on the wall."

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I'm actually pretty well OK with it, hokiness and all. I'm just glad they stopped the audience abuse. The least few seasons made me feel like a Suits survivor, as life-altering emotional distress after distress befell every character they made us care about in the earlier seasons. It's one thing to put your good characters through the wringer to see how they'll grow and come out the other side but in earlier seasons it was unrelenting. Some happiness was overdue, and what I really hoped would happen did—Mike will now (hopefully) get the chance to practice his kind of law and have the resources to go after some real nefarious players in his quest to help the little guy. That's the story I really cared about throughout the entire run. I hope the writers can pull it off, keeping the office melodrama to a minimum with Mike, Harvey and Donna et al.

Louis. I feel sorry for the guy, I really do. His character has always had so much potential and this year he was getting into a good groove. Likeable, even. I guess now we'll get to see him truly turn to the dark side, which really is his first instinct. I hope I'm wrong here, but I don't think I am. Gretchen is probably his last hope at sanity for a while.

What I am truly sick and tired of is the Mike Melodrama. PLEASE let this be over and get back to interesting legal twists. I'm also really interested to see Robert Zane come more into focus here, which I think he will.

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I guess Louis doesn't get a vote in who takes Jessica's office.  Poor guy loses his girl and finds himself third chair again all in the same night.  Might as well call the firm Spectre Ross Litt.  I get that he's the show punch dummy but at some point you just feel bad for him.

Didn't really love Donna in this.  For the life of me I can't figure out what she did to be an equal partner in that venture.  The tech guy did all the work, the financial guy put up the backing and Donna was just... the inspiration?  A consultant?  The entire situation just didn't make any sense to me.

That said, I am very happy that the "Mike's not a lawyer" drama is over.  I mean, come on, it's high time we moved on to some... uh... what else does this show do?  Well shit....

The poster earlier got it right, it was awesome finding out what Theo Huxtable grew up to be.  He pretty much owned that scene.

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Ugh. Can they please please please please make next season the last one? Pretty please with some goddamn shit and bullshit on top (Those *are* the writer's favorite words, so give them some extra and they should be happy!)?

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2 hours ago, CaptainCranky said:

Great. Now I can come here, get recaps of the episode and save myself the 50 minutes or so I use to spend watching this tripe.

Thanks again folks for you comments.

Me too.  I didn't bother last night.  I wasn't sure if it was the season finale or not, but the thing is the plot has barely moved since this season started. Same thing every week with no forward movement.  Will Mike be a lawyer again?  I don't care what he does.   And the Donna story was boring to the point of being mind-numbing.

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Apparently caring about social issues is becoming fashionable, so two TV series with cutthroat legal firms are changing direction. Both Suits and The Good Wife spin off (The Good Fight) get Mike and Diane Lockhart to work in socially caring firms. Having their cake and eating it too :). Don't get me wrong, I am all for it but I am not sure the motivation behind it is honest.

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So is Harvey paying Mike a quarter million dollar advance?  $5,000 per month for the clinic is $60,000 per year, which Harvey said was half of what he was offering Mike, and then Mike told him to double it.

I went back and watched it again because I couldn't believe the numbers I was hearing. Mike gave the clinic $50,000 (they repeated the number several times) and the guy who runs it said "thirty days of rent". Assuming he meant the money would all go to rent and not mostly to salaries, that's $600,000 a year, which would mean Harvey offered Mike $1.2M. Mike then negotiated up to $2.4M. But then I googled "Manhattan office space rent" and $5,000/month seems more like it. Either someone really goofed in the script or the $50K represents all the clinic's monthly overhead and not just rent. So, no-law-degree-having Mike gets rewarded a $2.4M salary for years of illegal behavior. They'll probably make him a partner next and put his name on the wall.

I'm now wondering if Gina Torres was sacrificed in order to make this outcome more plausible. Jessica's move to Chicago basically enabled her to take the fall in NY for all of them.

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Thanks everyone for the recap. Jeez. I'm almost glad I missed the end. Yeah, Mike's a real lawyer. Shoot me now! I think I'm done with this show. Another season? Really? On what pretense?

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2 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

I went back and watched it again because I couldn't believe the numbers I was hearing. Mike gave the clinic $50,000 (they repeated the number several times) and the guy who runs it said "thirty days of rent". Assuming he meant the money would all go to rent and not mostly to salaries, that's $600,000 a year, which would mean Harvey offered Mike $1.2M. Mike then negotiated up to $2.4M. But then I googled "Manhattan office space rent" and $5,000/month seems more like it. Either someone really goofed in the script or the $50K represents all the clinic's monthly overhead and not just rent. So, no-law-degree-having Mike gets rewarded a $2.4M salary for years of illegal behavior. They'll probably make him a partner next and put his name on the wall.

I'm now wondering if Gina Torres was sacrificed in order to make this outcome more plausible. Jessica's move to Chicago basically enabled her to take the fall in NY for all of them.

I was super confused by the numbers too.  They made sure to say $50k multiple times and then I thought maybe the guy said X months rent and I just heard a month, but then they had him say 30 days.  I couldn't figure out how a struggling little clinic that looked at $50k as such a huge life altering amount was also paying that for monthly rent.  Then I started doing math on Mike's offer and gave up because the clinic shit made so little sense.

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3 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

I'm now wondering if Gina Torres was sacrificed in order to make this outcome more plausible. Jessica's move to Chicago basically enabled her to take the fall in NY for all of them.

Someone knew when to abandon a sinking ship:

http://deadline.com/2017/03/gina-torres-deal-star-produce-potential-suits-spinoff-1202031857/

ETA:  ahisma posted this in the Media topic last week, but it's relevant to the quote above.

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The writing on this show has dipped to the level of a Hallmark movie. I should know. I watch them (Meghan Markle is in a few). They're awful.

"You didn't fight for me".  

"So and so has more (courage, integrity, blah blah) in his/her finger than you have in your whole body".  

"You tell him or I will".  

"How can I ever trust you again?"

Oh, Gawwd. This show used to have a sense of humor. What I wouldn't give to bring back the days when MIke and Katrina would have their "shiiiiit" sessions.

And did they have to remind me of what I was missing with Jessica? (I guess they did, now that she's going to have a spinoff).  [Sigh] The outfits alone....

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21 hours ago, NJRadioGuy said:

I'm actually pretty well OK with it, hokiness and all. I'm just glad they stopped the audience abuse. The least few seasons made me feel like a Suits survivor, as life-altering emotional distress after distress befell every character they made us care about in the earlier seasons. It's one thing to put your good characters through the wringer to see how they'll grow and come out the other side but in earlier seasons it was unrelenting. Some happiness was overdue, and what I really hoped would happen did—Mike will now (hopefully) get the chance to practice his kind of law and have the resources to go after some real nefarious players in his quest to help the little guy. That's the story I really cared about throughout the entire run. I hope the writers can pull it off, keeping the office melodrama to a minimum with Mike, Harvey and Donna et al.

Louis. I feel sorry for the guy, I really do. His character has always had so much potential and this year he was getting into a good groove. Likeable, even. I guess now we'll get to see him truly turn to the dark side, which really is his first instinct. I hope I'm wrong here, but I don't think I am. Gretchen is probably his last hope at sanity for a while.

What I am truly sick and tired of is the Mike Melodrama. PLEASE let this be over and get back to interesting legal twists. I'm also really interested to see Robert Zane come more into focus here, which I think he will.

I completely agree with your entire post! Suits lost me at the end of last season because of the constant melodrama. I had a weak moment and got wooed back. Now that this entire Mike mess is over (please!) I hope the writers will move the story forward. Expanding Robert Zane's role would be a step in the right direction.

I also felt bad for Louis and hope that he finds a stable relationship. For me, I like the Louis best when he hovers on the line between good and bad. But him being the constant underdog is no longer fun to watch. 

Too bad about Jessica being gone for good. I really loved her character. Plus she's the best dressed character on TV. 

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So six seasons of "is he, isn't he, will he ever be?" ends with Mike and Harvey's unrelenting shadiness getting Mike to be a real boy lawyer after all. I can't help but think they could have saved themselves a lot of trouble and just let the fake diploma back in season 1 be the end of it and gotten to what is (presumably) going to be a status quo of having the two leads try cases together next season.

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3 hours ago, iheartET said:

QUESTION:

Why was Oliver SO bent on Mike telling the boss?!

 

He was so determined, as if Oliver owned Mike or like he was Mike's boss.

It's hard for us to recognize within the context of this show since we never see it, but Oliver is being written as someone with real ethics who does not want to be part of a questionable deal!  Mike kind of understands that and doesn't want to disappoint him, but he is so used to stretching the truth when it is to his benefit to do so that he keeps going back on the promises Oliver extracted from him. I suppose that Oliver will be coming over to PSL and that Harvey and Mike will be constantly hiding shady strategies from him.

Oliver should run very far. Jessica, Louis, Rachel, and Katrina have all been befouled by the toxic atmosphere. Donna actually seems to enjoy it.

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What do people think would make Donna happy? What kind of vocation would allow the world to recognize how fabulous she is, instead of seeing her as just a legal secretary? (Btw, having a reputation as the best legal secretary in NYC, with recruiters constantly vying for you, would be pretty great in real life for someone with her ego.)

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@MsLark, I read somewhere that the actor playing Mike on the show said that they're considering Season 7.  

For me (and my personal tastes), I'd prefer more focus on the legal procedures and much less on the personal dramas of the characters.   Hearing that the Jessica Pearson character will return in a possibly spin-off show is great.  I enjoy watching her "model" those dresses.  

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If the rumors are true and Markle indeed asked the showrunners to write her off the show, they have no other choice but to kill her off. Which - to be frank -, I wouldn't mind. The only problem is this, how do you write Mike's grief into the show without taking the whole thing off the rails? If Markle really wants out, I don't envy the writers, they will have their work cut out for them. 

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Mike is a legit lawyer, so now he and Harvey can get back to the business of out-lawyering and out-manuevering ever other lawyer in the world without all the soap-opera stuff that's been weighing down this show for the last few seasons. Even the ever-weepy Rachel has become tolerable.

Louis got dumped (smart girl) because, yet again, he can't manage his anger. Besides, a happy Louis is a boring Louis.

Donna got brought back to Earth a little, maybe. She doesn't care about "the money"? What did she want? I'll speculate that she wanted to be "DONNA" to the world. I like the character, but I think her ego is becoming a little too out of control.

I have positive hopes for the next installment of episodes, insofar as it will return to its roots.

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1 hour ago, Zolo said:

I If Markle really wants out, I don't envy the writers, they will have their work cut out for them. 

I think they sowed the possible seeds with her turning to the dark side in Episode 15. She could start feeling guilty about what she had done and realize how toxic the relationship -- and life at PSL -- was becoming, and leave it all behind. Mike could be sad for a while, but since he and Harvey have become BFFs and are proud of it, it wouldn't be that much of a stretch for him to shrug her off fairly quickly. 

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All she has to do is show up to work one day with an handsome, eligible, British royal, dump Mike,and be whisked off to England, never to be seen again.

On 3/1/2017 at 11:16 PM, Rascotes said:

Might as well call the firm Spectre Ross Litt.

Donna:  Harvey, A client wants to see you in your office

Harvey:  Who is it?  What's his name?

Donna:  Bond.  James Bond.

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On 3/2/2017 at 11:25 PM, ItCouldBeWorse said:

It's hard for us to recognize within the context of this show since we never see it, but Oliver is being written as someone with real ethics who does not want to be part of a questionable deal!  Mike kind of understands that and doesn't want to disappoint him, but he is so used to stretching the truth when it is to his benefit to do so that he keeps going back on the promises Oliver extracted from him. I suppose that Oliver will be coming over to PSL and that Harvey and Mike will be constantly hiding shady strategies from him.

Oliver should run very far. Jessica, Louis, Rachel, and Katrina have all been befouled by the toxic atmosphere. Donna actually seems to enjoy it.

Yea hopefully Oliver continues to stand out.

Lol, what makes you think Donna is enjoying it?

She certainly seems to enjoy the plotting and scheming.  It makes her feel involved and important.

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22 minutes ago, chitowngirl said:

As much as I roll my eyes at how outraged Mike and Harvey are about Mike not being able to be admitted to the Bar, I loved Julius' smackdown of Anita.

Except that she's not entirely wrong, and Julius knows it.  Mike will cut corners and act unethically to achieve what he feels is the correct outcome.  He will not follow the rules if they prevent him from achieving what he desires.  Why, exactly, does he deserve to be an attorney?

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This should have been a series finale with, of course, a few changes:

-Donna and Harvey become an official couple

-Louis gets the girl

That's it.  Give everybody a happy ending and be done with it.

I'll keep watching, but I sincerely hope the seventh season is the last.

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I finally watched the back half of the season, one a day for the past week. 

I wish someone would rewatch and keep a tally of how many times Mike goes from going through with the plan to get the Bar, and staying put where he is. Seemed multiple times per episode.

I thought the Donna would be a stupid one-episode subplot when it first aired, and couldn't believe they dragged it out for the whole back half. What a dumb storyline. Count me among those who were happy when she got a taste of humble pie when eavesdropping on those businessmen.

If the requirement is just one year of law school to be eligible, you'd think Mike could have saved a lot of headaches if he just sucked it up and went for 2 semesters. Obviously Mike could not even pay attention and ace all classes, but we're so focused on doing shady activities so let's do some more to get in.

The finale reminded me I miss Jessica. This show needs a strong female presence, and its certainly not egotistical Donna or whiny Rachel. Rachel is among my least favorite characters currently on the airwaves. She is just as wishy washy as Mike, going back and forth between wanting Mike to be safe and embracing Harvey's plans.

This should have been the series finale, but this really needs to end soon. I kind of liked the episode where Harvey went home to his estranged family, and the rest of the season was as annoyingly smug as ever.

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Against my better judgement I finally watched this episode On Demand and I'm glad I did. Finally a decent show. Sure there were some convoluted solutions but a decent set up for the future which is more than I can say for the last several years of tripe they put out there for us to watch.

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I DVR'd this last half of the season and finally finished watching it. I too think they need to end this show before it gets really bad. Mike's attitude that he deserves to be a lawyer is just ridiculous. Every time Rachel was on (can't remember her real name) and whispering her lines I found myself screaming "god-damnit! speak up!" 

Donna needed the smack down, Harvey is an idiot and Louis deserves better.

There was a plus recording this show, USA would tack on Modern Family. I never watched that show until now and I just love it.

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