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3 hours ago, Shakma said:

While I think the Manchester bombing was a horrifying thing that no one should have had to experience, I still don't think Sweetener is a great album.  It has some good songs on it, but I'm just not seeing the greatness.  I'm sorry.

No, I'M sorry! I must have come across like a crazy stan earlier. I'm not at all. I wasn't always a big fan, either, although I've always had songs of hers that I like. I've just grown to like her more in these last two years. I know about some of the things she's done before, but sometimes, I'll admit, I feel like female pop stars get WAY too much crap, the kind that male artists NEVER get (or are constantly compared to the "right" kind of female pop stars, namely Taylor Swift, which isn't fair, either), and I'm trying to evolve on that front, even if it means less snark. *shrug* 

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I've only ever heard Ariana Grande's name in conjunction with licking donuts and the Manchester bombing, never with, you know, a song, so this discussion got me curious to see if I'd ever heard anything of hers without knowing who it was.  I made it through about a minute each of three different videos (from the list that came up when I put "Ariana Grande songs" into Google) and she came off like a vapid twit in each of them.  She also doesn't have much of a voice.  Color me unimpressed. 

2 hours ago, GaT said:

she's still the girl who insists on only being photographed or interviewed from her left side

OMG, that was so strange just from the small bits of her videos I watched.  I wanted to reach through the monitor and hold her damn face straight!

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55 minutes ago, Bastet said:

She also doesn't have much of a voice.  Color me unimpressed. 

She has a big range, but she doesn't enunciate so I never know what she's saying. She's mumbles her way through every song.

55 minutes ago, Bastet said:

OMG, that was so strange just from the small bits of her videos I watched.  I wanted to reach through the monitor and hold her damn face straight!

I don't know if this was one of the videos you watched, but it should be watched just for the left side thing. It makes me laugh. Even when you see what looks like the right side of here face, it's only because they flipped the recording.

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Tonight, UYI tries to restore her reputation in music circles after admitting she doesn't hate Ariana Grande! Can she pull it off? (But seriously, y'all must think I have trash taste now, oh well. I like Meghan Trainor, too, which might make things even worse. lol)

Are there any other Kacey Musgraves fans here? She's nominated for a bunch of Grammys this year, including for Album of the Year, and for this song, "Butterflies". Nearly a year after it's release, I think it's still my favorite song off of Golden Hour, outside of "Oh, What a World" or "High Horse".

As always, come discuss her with me in the country thread if you want. :)

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I like Kacey Musgraves, a lot.  I think she is everything Taylor Swift tried to be, back when she was country.  Taylor was the darling, but Kacey is the real deal.  Her stuff has more soul in it, not so calculating.

Meghan Trainor just frustrates me.  I think she has a great voice, and an adorable stage presence, but she keeps writing terrible songs.  Also, "wifey for lifey" is just wrong, lol.

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1 hour ago, Shakma said:

I like Kacey Musgraves, a lot.  I think she is everything Taylor Swift tried to be, back when she was country.  Taylor was the darling, but Kacey is the real deal.  Her stuff has more soul in it, not so calculating.

Meghan Trainor just frustrates me.  I think she has a great voice, and an adorable stage presence, but she keeps writing terrible songs.  Also, "wifey for lifey" is just wrong, lol.

 

I'm sorry if I sounded stupid earlier. I know we all have our own favorites and unfavorites, but I know in some cases liking certain people can piss some people off (not to mention that there are people here who don't like modern pop music, due to age or whatever else) so I want to careful not to do that here, like I feel like I did when I posted about Ariana here earlier, lol. I don't want people mad at me/cause unnecessary trouble around here, ever. :)

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Will check out that clip of Kasey's soon here-I should give her music in general a proper listen sometime. I've heard so many good things. 

As for the other artists you mention, @UYI, I only know a few of their more popular songs, myself, but I haven't minded them. Honestly, some of the pop music out today doesn't sound all that different from the stuff I listened to back when I was a teenager (and which I still like even now), so I'm not gonna judge. People should like whatever music they want to like, regardless of whether it's "cool" or not :). If you have fun listening to it, at the end of the day, that's the most important thing. 

ETA that the above comments are meant in a general sense. Not targeting anyone here in particular or anything like that. 

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1 hour ago, UYI said:

I'm sorry if I sounded stupid earlier. I know we all have our own favorites and unfavorites, but I know in some cases liking certain people can piss some people off (not to mention that there are people here who don't like modern pop music, due to age or whatever else) so I want to careful not to do that here, like I feel like I did when I posted about Ariana here earlier, lol. I don't want people mad at me/cause unnecessary trouble around here, ever. :)

 

You don't sound stupid, and no one is mad at you.  We're all just sharing our opinions of the artists who are mentioned.  If it sounds like I'm trying to prove you "wrong", I apologize.  That is not my intent, I'm just talking.

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13 hours ago, UYI said:

No, "No Tears Left To Cry", "The Light is Coming", "God is a Woman", and "Breathin'" are all from Sweetener (and they're all great); the other three are from the upcoming Thank U, Next, which comes out next Friday.

And Sweetener did NOT flop; it debuted at number one on the Billboard 200, and all three singles performed pretty well. It's just that TUN took her to the next level (and after everything that's happened with her personally these last few months, it could just be that she felt more inspiration and wanted to go ahead and do another album--and good for her!).

Anyway, I know this isn't the UO thread, but it looks like I'm still one of the only people who still likes Ariana here, a lot of which really started after the attack in Manchester at her concert. If you guys want to ban me to the UO thread for talking nicely about her here, I'll leave! lol 

Her album debuting high and having singles that performed well...doesn't exactly mean the album wasn't a flop. The project didn't go Platinum, unlike her prior albums, and given that Ariana is A Priority for her label, and likely commands a large budget (e.g., the "God is a Woman" video), they expect her to do numbers, not just okay. The fact that the album didn't even go Gold kind of says something.

A good example of this is Katy Perry. She had a big album, a big roll-out, and it flopped even though she debuted at #1.

I really feel like the problem is, around album #4 or 5, artists start thinking they need to show they're still relevant by either going sociopolitical or sexpot, when they really need to show that they're good. I need a vocal album from Katy and Ariana, not Ever Since I Found Out What Feminism Is I'm Woke With Miley's Old Haircut and I'm Famous Now So All I Have To Do Is Sing Along To The Reference Track And Hit A Few High Notes, You Know, If I Feel Like It.

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1 hour ago, Shakma said:

You don't sound stupid, and no one is mad at you.  We're all just sharing our opinions of the artists who are mentioned.  If it sounds like I'm trying to prove you "wrong", I apologize.  That is not my intent, I'm just talking.

 

No it's okay, I worry about everything, and am probably just too sensitive. I have to stop that and just calm down more. :)

Anyway, here's a fun thing to do: when you go to Billboard's website, you can put in a date and find out whatever songs were in the Hot 100 or albums were in the Billboard 200. For example, 30 years ago today (February 2nd, 1989), the number one song in the country was "When I'm With You" by Sheriff, and the number one album was Bobby Brown's Don't Be Cruel. 

https://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100/1989-02-04

https://www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200/1989-02-04

Just click on "Date Search" and pick a random date! 

 

1 hour ago, 27bored said:

Her album debuting high and having singles that performed well...doesn't exactly mean the album wasn't a flop. The project didn't go Platinum, unlike her prior albums, and given that Ariana is A Priority for her label, and likely commands a large budget (e.g., the "God is a Woman" video), they expect her to do numbers, not just okay. The fact that the album didn't even go Gold kind of says something.

A good example of this is Katy Perry. She had a big album, a big roll-out, and it flopped even though she debuted at #1.

 

I'm honestly a bit shocked by that. I'll admit that I was busy these last few months and lost track of some of the charts until a bit more recently, but with the airplay she had/is still getting now, I really thought Sweetener sold a LOT more. And you're right, debuting at number one doesn't have to mean anything; it certainly didn't mean much for Katy Perry, as you pointed out (she's someone else who has grown on me more recently, and I'm probably one of about five people on Earth who thought Taylor Swift returning her music to Spotify on the same day Katy released Witness was cruel, immature, and petty in the worst way possible--talk about kicking someone when they didn't need to be kicked any further).

At the same time, though, saying that Sweetener was a flop doesn't feel as accurate as it does for Witness. Maybe "underperformed" is the better word here?

With the success of the two TUN singles so far, though, I'm curious if she'll do better in regards to album sales this time around, especially since it comes out this Friday (and of course, "7 Rings" going to number one probably--again, pretty much like you said--probably had A LOT to do with the hype of being a brand new single; I can see it continue to get good streaming numbers, but radio may be turned off by it and it could drop from number one pretty fast, although I can see the album's release being this Friday MAYBE giving it one more week at the top). 

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4 hours ago, Shakma said:

Meghan Trainor just frustrates me.  I think she has a great voice, and an adorable stage presence, but she keeps writing terrible songs.  Also, "wifey for lifey" is just wrong, lol.

Ha!  And yes.  I only know All About That Bass (meh) and Like I'm Gonna Lose You (terrific), and I don't particularly care what stupid choices she makes in her personal life by getting married young, but when I saw that "wifey for lifey" shit quoted in another thread, I damn near needed medical attention for my sprained eyeballs.

3 hours ago, UYI said:

I don't want people mad at me/cause unnecessary trouble around here, ever. :)

Please stop apologizing every time you express an opinion on an inherently subjective topic because someone out there might disagree with it.  You like a wider variety of music than the average person your age, pay attention to the charts, and like what you like/don't like what you don't like; that's not trouble, it's discussion.

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60 years ago today: The Day the Music Died, and the day a tragic plane crash took the lives of Buddy Holly, J.P. "The Big Bopper" Richardson, and Ritchie Valens in Clear Lake, Iowa, on their way to a concert in Moorhead, Minnesota.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_the_Music_Died

It, of course, inspired the song "American Pie" by Don McLean, which spent four weeks at number one in 1972.

 

Waylon Jennings was a member of Buddy Holly's band at the time. Buddy had grown annoyed by the bus, which lacked heat, and the way their tour was set up meant that they frequently traveled over 300-350 miles, depending on the city, between gigs. Because of that, he chartered a plane to take him and his band to Fargo, North Dakota (which is right next to Moorhead) and then meet everyone else there for the concert. Richardson (The Big Bopper) was supposed to have had the flu, and convinced him to give up his plane seat to him (Richardson) instead. When Buddy found out, he said to Waylon, jokingly of course: "Well, I hope your ol' bus freezes up." Waylon's response: "Well, I hope your ol' plane crashes." (Again, he was obviously only joking.)

It would haunt him until the day he died in 2002. 

Meanwhile, it is said a coin toss was what decided that Ritchie Valens would take the plane over Holly's guitar player, Tommy Allsup. 

 

A poster advertising the Winter Dance Party Tour they were on, and reminder of what would have been.

 

Finally, a Behind the Music episode on the Day the Music Died.

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2 hours ago, UYI said:

A poster advertising the Winter Dance Party Tour they were on, and reminder of what would have been.

I live in Mason City, which has the airport where they took off that night, and every year around this time, our local oldies station honors Holly, Valens, and the Big Bopper. It's been especially heavy this year, of course, given it's been 60 years and all. 

That plane wreckage in that newspaper photo. Jesus. There's practically nothing left of it. 

I read on the Wikipedia article about this tragedy that apparently Clear Lake was a last minute decision. 

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On Monday, February 2, the tour arrived in Clear Lake, having driven 350 miles from the previous day's concert in Green Bay. The town had not been a scheduled stop, but the tour promoters, hoping to fill an open date, called the manager of the local Surf Ballroom, Carroll Anderson (1920–2006), and offered him the show. He accepted, and they set the show for that night.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_the_Music_Died

Makes you wonder how things might've played out had they not taken that slot and just kept traveling. Or if they'd chosen to stay in a hotel in either Clear Lake or Mason City that night instead, or waited until the next morning to take the plane to Minnesota (if they'd left early enough in the morning, I would imagine they'd have made it there in a decent amount of time). 

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I'm a Buddy Holly fan, so it's heartbreaking to look at photos of the wreckage.  Yikes. :(

Anyway, here are a few artists I like that a lot of people seem to hate.  Let me know if you like/dislike them:

Avril Lavigne

Barenaked Ladies

Britney Spears

Carly Rae Jepsen

Counting Crows

Demi Lovato

Gwen Stefani

Hanson

Jessie J

Katy Perry

Kesha

Kylie Minogue

Miley Cyrus

Natalie Imbruglia

Nick Jonas

P!nk

Spice Girls

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The great Linda Ronstadt was interviewed by Tracy Smith for this week's CBS Sunday Morning. She retired from performing in 2009, and can no longer sing due to Parkinson's Disease.

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1 hour ago, Shakma said:

Anyway, here are a few artists I like that a lot of people seem to hate.  Let me know if you like/dislike them

I absolutely love P!nk.  I like some songs from many of the rest on your list, quite a few songs when it comes to Counting Crows.  Of those I know (a few of them I've heard the name but can't associate it with a song), I don't hate any of them.

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2 hours ago, Shakma said:

Anyway, here are a few artists I like that a lot of people seem to hate.  Let me know if you like/dislike them.

Well, my first CDs ever were the Spice Girls' first two albums, so they will always be close to my heart. If I could afford it I would see one of their reunion concerts in a heartbeat.

Britney Spears is someone I loved as a 10-11 year old girl, thought I was too good for as I became a teenager (yes, I was one of THOSE people), and now, I just look at her and see a goddamn awesome survivor and all-around performer. No, she's not a great singer, and she may not have the most deep/versatile catalog, but really, she doesn't have to be/have to, and I finally can see her as someone who does what she wants to do and what she loves and is good at. I may never find every song she does as something that fits my own personal tastes, but I can appreciate them for what they are. And make no mistake: she single-handedly changed the sound of pop music of the late 90's going forward, and she did it between the ages of 16/17. Pretty impressive for a young girl (as she was then) from small-town Louisiana.

 

I watched Demi's YouTube documentary last year, and my admiration grew about a thousand-fold. She cares so much about her sobriety, and it gutted me when she overdosed last summer. But she just celebrated six months of sobriety! I hope she'll be performing again someday, and I expect her to, but I also hope she takes as long as she needs to recover.

This is fun, @Shakma. I'll post some more thoughts on the other artists as I think of them. :)

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I'm rewatching "The Eighties" & I'm on the episode called "Video Killed The Radio Star. It's about MTV & the rise of the music video. At one point they discuss the fact that MTV didn't play black artists, & they showed part of an interview with David Bowie & Mark Goodman (an MTV VJ) from 1983. David Bowie asks Mark why there are so few videos by black musicians shown & Mark's reply made my jaw drop, I can't believe he actually got away with saying that. I'll let you listen for yourself. The whole interview is about 4 1/2 minutes, but Mark's answer is around the 1:30 mark.

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On 2/2/2019 at 11:29 PM, UYI said:

 

I'm honestly a bit shocked by that. I'll admit that I was busy these last few months and lost track of some of the charts until a bit more recently, but with the airplay she had/is still getting now, I really thought Sweetener sold a LOT more. And you're right, debuting at number one doesn't have to mean anything; it certainly didn't mean much for Katy Perry, as you pointed out (she's someone else who has grown on me more recently, and I'm probably one of about five people on Earth who thought Taylor Swift returning her music to Spotify on the same day Katy released Witness was cruel, immature, and petty in the worst way possible--talk about kicking someone when they didn't need to be kicked any further).

At the same time, though, saying that Sweetener was a flop doesn't feel as accurate as it does for Witness. Maybe "underperformed" is the better word here?

With the success of the two TUN singles so far, though, I'm curious if she'll do better in regards to album sales this time around, especially since it comes out this Friday (and of course, "7 Rings" going to number one probably--again, pretty much like you said--probably had A LOT to do with the hype of being a brand new single; I can see it continue to get good streaming numbers, but radio may be turned off by it and it could drop from number one pretty fast, although I can see the album's release being this Friday MAYBE giving it one more week at the top). 

I only call it a flop in terms of sales in comparison to her past albums. I agree underperformed is a bit more charitable, but I gotta be honest Sweetener wasn’t a good album to me. It felt thin. Ariana already has that show biz kid obsession with hitting her marks, so her success has only validated that. She comes off like a glorified demo singer, not a pop star.

13 hours ago, Bastet said:

I absolutely love P!nk.  I like some songs from many of the rest on your list, quite a few songs when it comes to Counting Crows.  Of those I know (a few of them I've heard the name but can't associate it with a song), I don't hate any of them.

I love P!nk too. I think it’s remarkable that she’s made a career on pop songs that aren’t necessarily love/sex songs. 

12 hours ago, UYI said:

 

Britney Spears is someone I loved as a 10-11 year old girl, thought I was too good for as I became a teenager (yes, I was one of THOSE people), and now, I just look at her and see a goddamn awesome survivor and all-around performer. No, she's not a great singer, and she may not have the most deep/versatile catalog, but really, she doesn't have to be/have to, and I finally can see her as someone who does what she wants to do and what she loves and is good at. I may never find every song she does as something that fits my own personal tastes, but I can appreciate them for what they are. And make no mistake: she single-handedly changed the sound of pop music of the late 90's going forward, and she did it between the ages of 16/17. Pretty impressive for a young girl (as she was then) from small-town Louisiana.

 

I watched Demi's YouTube documentary last year, and my admiration grew about a thousand-fold. She cares so much about her sobriety, and it gutted me when she overdosed last summer. But she just celebrated six months of sobriety! I hope she'll be performing again someday, and I expect her to, but I also hope she takes as long as she needs to recover.

This is fun, @Shakma. I'll post some more thoughts on the other artists as I think of them. :)

With Britney, I felt like she should’ve cut her hair and gone a bit more unplugged or organic with her sound about ten years ago. After her public meltdown, they tried to rebuild her as America’s Sweetheart and it just looked desperate. It’s funny because I feel like Christina tried to be grown too soon and I feel like Britney didn’t mature quickly enough. 

As for Demi, I...don’t know. I think she tried to commit suicide. To be honest, I’ll be concerned if she tried to come right back in a few months. I don’t think she’s strong enough to cope with the pressures of fame without reengaging with drugs. At least not yet. And that’s assuming she’s still sober. 

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Speaking of Christina, she was on Watch What Happens recently and...ugh. I see why someone so talented is consistently underachieving. 

Christina, it’s a different day and age. People have to feel a connection and relatability to you in order for them to care about your output. This whole Disney child star, always-say-the-right-thing shtick is tired, especially for someone who has a famously bad attitude. You have to realize nobody is really checking for you like that, so you need to give a little more or else you just come off like someone who doesn’t realize she’s not really famous anymore.

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14 hours ago, 27bored said:

Speaking of Christina, she was on Watch What Happens recently and...ugh. I see why someone so talented is consistently underachieving. 

Christina, it’s a different day and age. People have to feel a connection and relatability to you in order for them to care about your output. This whole Disney child star, always-say-the-right-thing shtick is tired, especially for someone who has a famously bad attitude. You have to realize nobody is really checking for you like that, so you need to give a little more or else you just come off like someone who doesn’t realize she’s not really famous anymore.

What did she say, exactly?

I don't think Christina learned how to be relatable to anyone, because her big voice carried her through the first ten years of her career.  I used to work with a woman who was a Christina superfan, and she always talked about how BIG and AMAZING Christina's voice was.  Never had much to say about her as a person or artist, though, it was all about THE VOICE.  You aren't going to evolve if everyone kisses your ass for belting out a few tunes like a dying farm animal, especially if you've been doing it since you were 15, and that's all you know.  But, I hear Christina has a Vegas residency now, so good for her?  At least it's a steady paycheck.

Switching up topics, but I finally gave Halsey a real chance today, after hearing her singles on the radio, and...I don't get it.  This girl is completely underwhelming, and sounds like every raspy, baby-voiced female singer coming out, these days.  I listened to track after track and kept waiting to be wowed, but it never happened.  What am I missing? 

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6 hours ago, UYI said:

DEAD. 

I still can't believe he ended up married to Daisy Fuentes.

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3 hours ago, Shakma said:

What did she say, exactly?

I don't think Christina learned how to be relatable to anyone, because her big voice carried her through the first ten years of her career.  I used to work with a woman who was a Christina superfan, and she always talked about how BIG and AMAZING Christina's voice was.  Never had much to say about her as a person or artist, though, it was all about THE VOICE.  You aren't going to evolve if everyone kisses your ass for belting out a few tunes like a dying farm animal, especially if you've been doing it since you were 15, and that's all you know.  But, I hear Christina has a Vegas residency now, so good for her?  At least it's a steady paycheck.

 

It was annoying seeing her dance around certain questions, like her issues with The Voice, whether she tried to punch Pink, which celebrity has she had to curb, stuff like that. It’s like, that show is meant to be messy and gossipy. I’m not saying be like that all the time, but it’s like our version of those British chat shows where they ask silly and at times inappropriate questions. Nobody cares that much, but Christina seems tense the whole time. 

I think you’re right about her voice carrying her hroughout her career, and as eerie as it sounds, back when she was beefing with Kelly Osborne, I remember her saying the same thing. 

As for Halsey, yeah, she’s pretty underwhelming. She’s like Rihanna’s aesthetic with Lorde’s mood and Lana del Rey’s sound. Seriously, there’s a video floating around comparing several of her songs to Lana del Rey’s and they sound eerily similar. 

I will say, the remix to Without Me, featuring JuiceWrld, is interesting. I gotta admit that it’s amusing to see young black male rappers are totally bringing Emo back. He literally screams “LIFE’S NOT FAIR” on the remix. I laughed when I first heard it.

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14 hours ago, 27bored said:

It was annoying seeing her dance around certain questions, like her issues with The Voice, whether she tried to punch Pink, which celebrity has she had to curb, stuff like that.

I didn't know anything about beef between Christina and Pink, so I googled it.  I was on Pink's side at first, since it allegedly started with Christina saying she would take all the high notes in Lady Marmalade, but then Pink had to get jealous over Christina collaborating with Linda Perry and have Christina blow-up dolls on tour, and she lost me.  She really should have taken the high road, there.

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Hey @Shakma, one of the artists you said love that a lot of people seem to hate is Natalie Imbruglia. Really? I know "Torn" probably got overplayed in 1998, but I always loved it; in fact, it was one of the first popular songs I really knew of at all outside of teen pop (I'm not really familiar with any of her other songs, though). What's the issue people have with her?

You also mentioned Hanson...oh boy. When I was a kid, I got a Hanson t-shirt for my birthday, but I don't think I ever wore it because of a lot of friends/classmates made fun of them. And the weird thing is that I don't think I really was that familiar with their music at the time, even though it was at their peak! Bizarre. lol

Now, of course, I think it's really cool that they are still a band and have a lot of respect among those who like alt rock, since that's what they shifted to making once the "MMMBop" days were over. And they all seem to have their heads on straight, too, despite becoming famous (infamous in some circles) at such a young age. 

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6 hours ago, UYI said:

Hey @Shakma, one of the artists you said love that a lot of people seem to hate is Natalie Imbruglia. Really? I know "Torn" probably got overplayed in 1998, but I always loved it; in fact, it was one of the first popular songs I really knew of at all outside of teen pop (I'm not really familiar with any of her other songs, though). What's the issue people have with her?

"Torn" was more than overplayed, it was on non stop. For someone (me, for instance) who didn't like the song to begin with, hearing it being played all day, every day was enough to make me hate Natalie Imbruglia forever.

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11 hours ago, GaT said:

"Torn" was more than overplayed, it was on non stop. For someone (me, for instance) who didn't like the song to begin with, hearing it being played all day, every day was enough to make me hate Natalie Imbruglia forever.

Yeah, this is why.  I remember hearing Torn every morning on the bus, every afternoon on the bus, and again, at home.  It took me a while to listen to it again without cringing.  I like Natalie's other songs just fine, though I wouldn't say I'm a big fan.  She's just someone I enjoy, minus her biggest hit.

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I saw The Weeknd’s video for Starboy today and I had a weird thought. A unique thought similar to how I said I’d like “Look What You Made Me Do” if Britney Spears sang it.

I think I’d like The Weeknd a whole lot better if he were gay.

Here me out!

The Weeknd has this muted Michael Jackson thing in look and sound that works for him because it seems organic and he’s usually wise enough not to lean into it too much. I Can’t Feel My Face was about the closest he’s ever come to full-on parody, but he even acquit himself well because that’s a strong song.

The one consistent thing about Weeknd is he tries to portray himself as a bit of a bad ass. Maybe not a tough guy, but more of a lothario. Contra that with someone like NeYo, who tends to write strong female characters and doesn’t make big strides to portray himself as a big shit.

Because of this, The Weeknd comes off kinda phony and a tad awkward not unlike when MJ did it. Weeknd has a high voice, he over enunciates, and he went from that weird Basquist hairdo to just not having a shape-up. So seeing him rap-singing in the Starboy video in all black walking down the hall turkey-necking was just funny to me.

Thats why I say I think I would like him way better if he were gay. Some of these contradictions would make more sense. Just sayin’.

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On 2/3/2019 at 4:11 PM, Shakma said:

Anyway, here are a few artists I like that a lot of people seem to hate.  Let me know if you like/dislike them:

P!nk

 

 

On 2/3/2019 at 5:25 PM, Bastet said:

I absolutely love P!nk.  

 

On 2/4/2019 at 6:45 AM, 27bored said:

 

I love P!nk too.

Well I have some good news for you guys!

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I am happy for Ariana. Also baffled that she achieved this milestone with 3 of the worst singles she ever released.

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I agree. No shade to Ariana, but I wish the money they spent on promoting another album by her six months after her last album would’ve gone to another artist. They should’ve made Ari promote Sweetener first, or rerelease it with 3-4 new songs. I guess it worked out, but eh.

I just listened to Pink’s new song. At first it sounds like Pink fronting Mumford & Sons. Then, it starts sounding like fun. I mean, the band. At first I thought Jack Antonoff produced it, but apparently he didn’t. Nate Ruess, lead singer of fun., did co-write it.

It’s a bit of a shrug, to be honest, but I see it doing its job. Pink’s nothing if not consistent.

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6 hours ago, 27bored said:

I just listened to Pink’s new song. At first it sounds like Pink fronting Mumford & Sons. Then, it starts sounding like fun. I mean, the band. At first I thought Jack Antonoff produced it, but apparently he didn’t. Nate Ruess, lead singer of fun., did co-write it.

Given that they did this song together on The Truth About Love, I guess that's not too surprising (and it was a number one hit, too, which makes it even LESS surprising).

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True. I loved that song. The only thing is it sounded like a Pink song with Nate duetting in it. This sounds his song Pink is covering.

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The number one song in the country 50 years ago this month (from the week of March 15th-April 5th, 1969). Some of my favorite pop songs of all time are from the 60's, and this one is among the greatest as far as bubblegum pop goes.

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14 hours ago, Colorado David said:

Best James Bond title song:

Goldfinger. Then probably Thunderball or Live and Let Die. Your opinion?

I must put a dark horse vote in for The Living Daylights.

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On 3/13/2019 at 5:21 PM, Colorado David said:

Best James Bond title song:

Goldfinger. Then probably Thunderball or Live and Let Die. Your opinion?

I'd agree about Goldfinger, but Live and Let Die came on the radio the other day and I was thinking about how much I hated it.  I'd say A View to a Kill would be the second best.

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Always liked Tommy Roe, and Dizzy has always been a fave of mine!  I liked his first hit, Sheila too, even it was was a bit too close to Buddy Holly's Peggy Sue.  If Holly had lived, he might have sued.

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On 3/17/2019 at 9:24 AM, janie jones said:

I'd say A View to a Kill would be the second best.

That's my very favorite Bond song.

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Good reads, those articles-I like hearing different takes on this album. I'm on the side of that second article, myself-I was definitely among those who loved Jagged Little Pill as a teenager, and I thought her lyrics were really interesting and different, and thoughtful. "Ironic" was one of my favorite songs ever, and "Head Over Feet"-I wanted a relationship like that. And yes, "Perfect" was very relatable. 

It's been ages since I've actually listened to the album in full, but I'll still hear the big hits from it from time to time, and they all hold up even now, I think. Mind, I could see somebody feeling a bit burned out on those songs, 'cause they were played a LOT back in the day. But setting that issue aside, I think the songs in and of themselves are strong. "You Oughta Know" is such a perfect "fuck you" rant, and I love that women have songs like this that can let them unleash that kind of anger and frustration. 

And I'll just always have a soft spot for so much of the music that came out in the '90s in general, 'cause that was my decade and there was so much good stuff out then and...yeah. If her music isn't somebody's thing anymore, though, eh, to each their own. 

Hm. I should go give the entire album a listen again. 

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5 hours ago, UYI said:

This article has gone viral since it was posted yesterday. A woman sets out to prove why she thinks Jagged Little Pill is a bad album...only to instead lament that it doesn't speak to her the way it did in middle school, which is not the same thing.

https://themuse.jezebel.com/jagged-little-pill-is-actually-very-bad-1833542975

The bolded is why this was such a stupid article. Of course there are things that you loved when you were younger that when you get older, you can see may not have been as great as you once thought. Maybe the writing wasn't as clever and intelligent as you once thought, the melody not as interesting, etc.

But the author essentially based her opinion on the album not speaking to her like it did back then when she was still a damn kid. Like woman, of course an album that spoke to you in a certain way at 12, will not in the same way in your 30's. But that doesn't automatically mean it wasn't a good album and to say it was actually very bad? Spare me. No, it just means you don't relate to it anymore in the same way you once did.  

There are plenty of songs/movies/shows I loved when I was younger that don't hold up as much to me now but Jagged Little Pill is not one of them. I still blast that album from beginning to end and scream along to every damn song. Your House is still one of the most brilliantly haunting creepy stalker ass songs ever. Taylor Swift wishes she could. 

You Learn, Mary Jane, Forgiven, Head Over Feet...woman please. That said, we all know this was likely click bait driven and it obviously worked so props to her on that. Well played. 

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I was 22, going on 23 when "Jagged Little Pill" hit. I loved the rage of "You Oughta Know" and basically just really liked the album. But then, by that time, I liked ragey, dark songs, as one that also listened to the grunge bands from the earlier '90s, so... One song I liked on that CD wasn't even an "official" track but was hidden after the "You Oughta Know" reprise. It's unofficially titled "Your House" from what I've seen.

"Ironic", however, drove me crazy. Still does. Because, maybe aside from the guy being afraid to fly then going down in a plane crash, the rest of the stuff was NOT ironic. Hee.

If anything was not that great (and I know opinions vary), I think it was "Jagged Little Pill" being re-released in an all acoustic version. I think some songs really lost the bite they had. Just seemed TOO mellow. I quickly got rid of that CD (remember those?) way back!  

Just my $1.50.

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1 hour ago, WendyCR72 said:

"Ironic", however, drove me crazy. Still does. Because, maybe aside from the guy being afraid to fly then going down in a plane crash, the rest of the stuff was NOT ironic. Hee.

The story that Alanis goes with on that is that the irony of the song is that NONE of the incidents she sings about are, in fact, even ironic at all. Whether she intended that all along or latched on to that theory to cover her ass after someone asked her if that was the point of the song, is up for debate, of course. 🙂 

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I don't know if I would rank Jagged Little Pill as one of my favorite albums, but I listened to it a lot in junior high, and I still like it.  Is it unpopular if Right Through You and Perfect are my favorite songs?  Oddly enough, they were my least favorite, back in '95.  So, it's like my opinions changed, or something.  Huh.

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