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S01.E07: Chapter Seven: Father of Lies

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With no sign of their missing daughter, the Rance family begins to disintegrate; Marcus looks to Mother Bernadette for help with his latest problem; news of Casey's possession goes public; Father Bennett continues his probe into Tattersal.

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Great acting in this episode! Geena Davis was awesome in the mental breakdown scene and the Marcus actor is so intense.

Once again, Marcus is a pillar of strength, even when he's tormented. He has the strength of his convictions, and Tomas needs to start taking notes from him! Is he really waiting for a sign from God to tell him what to do? Uh, that's not how life works for most people.

I loved seeing Bennet kick some ass! I thought for sure he was a goner, but then he busted out some moves and did an exorcism on the fly! Why the heck isn't he is helping to exorcise Casey?

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7isBlue

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What a great episode! Agree with the kudos for Ben Daniels' and Geena Davis' acting. Father Bennett is a badass! But did anyone else get the sense that the demon in the bad guy "jumped" into Father Bennett? That look in his eyes...scary!

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7isBlue

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42 minutes ago, Addlepated said:

Father Bennett: damn, son!

 

Man, the acting was just top notch tonight, I totally agree.  The mother superior, too.  I wonder what, "He has my hands" means.  Could she have had a child?

I think he was referring to the experience he had at the lake, when he told Thomas that he felt God move through his hands to resurrect Casey. He didn't want those same hands to, now, help to kill her. 

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And it was fortuitous that just as he decided not to kill her was when Tomas brought Angela in which of course rallied the demon to surface. Marcus is right that you shouldn't give the demon what it wants, but it also seemed obvious that they were not going to be able to save Casey without Angela being a part of it. There was some pride in his trying to go it alone with saving Casey without bringing in her family. Yes Angela and Kat messed up in their own ways, but Angela is a part of this fight and I was so glad Tomas relented in the lie and brought her in. It may lead to tragedy but then it may also lead to some kind of victory as Angela and Marcus and Casey work together to defeat the demon.

And Angela herself needs to get some peace from literally facing her demons. It was heartbreaking to hear her admit how she felt so dirty after her possession and that she would make sure Casey didn't feel that way once they got her back (Sharon Gless breaking down in that scene was pitch perfect in denoting how crushed she felt in realizing that Reagan felt fhis and she didn't know and that Angela believed she would get Casey back when there was a real possibility they wouldn't).

And then the scene in the bathroom when Angela is spiraling and trying to tell them that she had held onto hope for Casey because she could feel her fighting and that she could feel that Casey is lost and a part of her was missing? Damn that was crushing. 

Neck breaking Father Bennett and gun toting Former Father Marcus are truly some badass holy warriors. Tomas needs to step up his game. Apparently the Exorcist Twitter confirmed during the live show tweet that with all those fresh cut up bodies Bennett saw more demons have indeed been summoned/raised.

I love that they can talk about God with sincerity and then pull some tongue in cheekiness. 'I felt God working through my hands......or maybe it was hypothermia.'

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Bennett is a badass. No wonder he is the head of security. He must have been in the military as some point. I enjoyed him calling out the committee's obvious schemes to endanger the pope.

I am glad that Marcus refused to kill Casey. It hurts me to see the corruption of Tomas. He is losing himself and this is probably part of the reason that the exorcism is not working.

 

6 hours ago, TobinAlbers said:

I love that they can talk about God with sincerity and then pull some tongue in cheekiness. 'I felt God working through my hands......or maybe it was hypothermia.'

This totally cracked me up. 

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SoSueMe

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4 hours ago, janeta said:

So i guess i'm the only one for whom Sharon Gless will always be Christine Cagney? ;-)

I feel the same way, casting Sharon Gless really puts the cramp in my suspension of disbelief. Not just Cagney, but more recently Burn Notice where she looks pretty much the same as here. Otherwise, I am really into this show, nice continuation of the book/movie.

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Anyone know if this is a limited series, like American Horror story, start to finish in predecided episodes (I'm not explaining that well  :} ). Or maybe it will go on to other unconnected exorcism stories? 

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3 hours ago, SoSueMe said:

Anyone know if this is a limited series, like American Horror story, start to finish in predecided episodes (I'm not explaining that well  :} ). Or maybe it will go on to other unconnected exorcism stories? 

The Rance clan, especially Angela and Mrs. MacNeil, and hopefully of course Casey, could stay on as special advisors to Father Marcus (when he hopefully gets un-excommunicated) and the other priests on the demon infestation in Chicago.  Maybe counselors for other families of possessed loved ones going through exorcism.  (I know, in real life this wouldn't happen).  Are you reading this show? 

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Father Bennett! I said aloud to myself as he walked into that warehouse, "I don't want him to die. I like his character!" Thus I was very happy that he turned God Warrior on the demons. However, I'm not sure if the look on his face after exorcising that demon was a dawning realization of how strong the dark forces are in Chicago or if the demon transferred into him. 

Father Tomas. He is so, so beautiful. And so, so weak. The demons must be partying in Hell knowing that HE is the one helping Father Marcus. I like him a lot as a character but he's at a place in his arc where I just want to slap him upside the head. 

I don't understand the Mother Superior. Now suddenly her convent mercy kills the possessed? I don't like that. 

Stellar acting by everyone this episode. Each episode draws me further and further in.

Oh yeah... Also enjoyed the homage when we first see Casey's ravaged body to Anneliese Michel's infamous exorcism picture. 

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SimoneS

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I don't think that the demon transferred to Bennett If only because it seems like the demons have to weaken and/or corrupt their vessels before they can be possessed. Bennett like Marcus and the Mother Superior does not seem vulnerable or full of doubt like poor Casey and Tomas.

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SoSueMe

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45 minutes ago, CelticBlackCat said:

The Rance clan, especially Angela and Mrs. MacNeil, and hopefully of course Casey, could stay on as special advisors to Father Marcus (when he hopefully gets un-excommunicated) and the other priests on the demon infestation in Chicago.  Maybe counselors for other families of possessed loved ones going through exorcism.  (I know, in real life this wouldn't happen).  Are you reading this show? 

Thanks, that sounds like a good scenario.

Not sure what you mean by the bolded. I read here when I find the time, is there another source you could point me to?

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RedheadZombie

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I can't figure out Tomas and Jessica.  It seems too obvious that she's bad, but he seems to have strengthened his faith somehow after being with her.  He was badass when he grabbed "Casey" by the throat and gave the title of the episode.  What he spoke was from John 8:44 -

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You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Do Catholics use the New International Version?

 

19 hours ago, pezgirl7 said:

Great acting in this episode! Geena Davis was awesome in the mental breakdown scene and the Marcus actor is so intense.

Once again, Marcus is a pillar of strength, even when he's tormented. He has the strength of his convictions, and Tomas needs to start taking notes from him! Is he really waiting for a sign from God to tell him what to do? Uh, that's not how life works for most people.

I loved seeing Bennet kick some ass! I thought for sure he was a goner, but then he busted out some moves and did an exorcism on the fly! Why the heck isn't he is helping to exorcise Casey?

Bennett has bigger fish to fry.  He knows the church is compromised, the pope is in danger, and demons are being summoned.  Since Casey's possession has to be tied into the pope, I'm going with this:  Regan's former demon was strengthened by all of the demon summoning, and chose this time to strike at Regan/Angela through Casey.  I'm still worried about Henry's behavior after the demon whispered in his ear.  I wonder if that would possibly be dealt with if there is a second season.

17 hours ago, 7isBlue said:

What a great episode! Agree with the kudos for Ben Daniels' and Geena Davis' acting. Father Bennett is a badass! But did anyone else get the sense that the demon in the bad guy "jumped" into Father Bennett? That look in his eyes...scary!

It looked to me that was what they're implying, but a man who has the conviction to exorcise a demon, should not be vulnerable to immediate possession.  It happened to Father Karras, but he invited the demon in (before immediately killing himself) to free Regan of the demon.

1 hour ago, SimoneS said:

I don't think that the demon transferred to Bennett If only because it seems like the demons have to weaken and/or corrupt their vessels before they can be possessed. Bennett like Marcus and the Mother Superior does not seem vulnerable or full of doubt like poor Casey and Tomas.

I agree.  But the movie/book involved two priests dying, so I will be surprised if all three priests live.  My fear is it will be Marcus.  He may pull a Father Karras.  He seems too tormented for this world.  But I will be happy to be wrong.

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1 hour ago, SoSueMe said:

Not sure what you mean by the bolded. I read here when I find the time, is there another source you could point me to?

I believe the original poster was suggesting that the show runners read his/her idea to work into a second season and keep some familiar faces around, but I am just guessing. 

 

This show is better than I thought it would be. I have found far too many horror shows and based on book or movie shows to be poorly constructed, acted, or written. This one is a must watch for me night of, as long as I am in town. 

 

I worry for what place Henry truly has in this narrative. I think it will not be good. Tired of Tomas. 

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6 hours ago, SoSueMe said:

Anyone know if this is a limited series, like American Horror story, start to finish in predecided episodes (I'm not explaining that well  :} ). Or maybe it will go on to other unconnected exorcism stories? 

The ratings for the show are very bad, and get worse every week. I'm pretty sure it will get canceled.  :( There are suppose to 10 episodes, but I can't find any information about the last two, so hopefully they air them.

http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/exorcist-season-one-ratings/

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CelticBlackCat

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5 hours ago, SoSueMe said:

Thanks, that sounds like a good scenario.

Not sure what you mean by the bolded. I read here when I find the time, is there another source you could point me to?

I'm not sure what you're unsure about.  I mean: To The Show (Writers, etc.), are you people reading this post?

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SoSueMe

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11 hours ago, CelticBlackCat said:

I'm not sure what you're unsure about.  I mean: To The Show (Writers, etc.), are you people reading this post?

Thanks, I got it. I thought you were asking if I read the show. Like on another board or something. All good.

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Mu Shu

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Sorry guys, but I felt like I was watching a soap opera this week.  IMO, the whole Regan thing really weakens the storyline.  Add the nuns, the pope, and all the dead people in the closet, and you get a bloated cast with a story spread too thin .   

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1 hour ago, piequinn35 said:

I don't get the poster of "He is coming" with the back facing us, can you please explain that to me?

It could be as simple as that they haven't hired the actor yet to play the pope, or it could be the 'he' isn't the pope, it could be someone else...maybe Satan?!?! [Church Lady voice]

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1 hour ago, piequinn35 said:

I don't get the poster of "He is coming" with the back facing us, can you please explain that to me?

That last scene when Regan arrived, the demon got happy and alive omg :))

The "He is Coming" is in reference to the Pope (that's whose back we're seeing in the poster), who is coming to visit Chicago. That's what the rich lady and all the secret demon worshippers are busy planning. It's meant to be a little cheeky too I think, because the devil/demon is also coming to Chicago via Casey.

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2 hours ago, piequinn35 said:

Yeah I'm guessing that poster is the Pope, what I don't get it is why the back not the front :))

In the real world it's probably because they haven't cast him yet. Story wise I think we're meant to assume, that with the number of demons increasing in Chicago- that something is up with the pope. Taken literally it's just that the Pope is coming to the city. But given that the Demon worshipping cult is planning this event- and has clearly been planning it for some time - I think we're meant to at least suspect that the "He" the poster is referring is not the Pope but the Devil, especially as the message could also be for the demons that are flocking towards the city- it's a Double Entendre, could the poster be for both good Christian Folk and the Demons?

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I wasn't sure where to put this, or if it's been brought up before (I'm gonna look after I put this here; if it's already been discussed, point me in the right direction, by all means), but I'm noticing a lot of blue in these episodes--mainly a tealish kind of color. The Rances' home has a lot (walls, throw pillows), Kat's clothes, the dad's plaid shirt(s), tablecloths at the call center... Is there a significance that anyone knows of, or am I being the kind of kook that many former English lit majors are?

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1 hour ago, TattleTeeny said:

I wasn't sure where to put this, or if it's been brought up before (I'm gonna look after I put this here; if it's already been discussed, point me in the right direction, by all means), but I'm noticing a lot of blue in these episodes--mainly a tealish kind of color the Rances' home has a lot--walls, throw pillows), Kat's clothes, the dad's plaid shirt(s), tablecloths at the call center...). Is there a significance that anyone knows of, or am I being the kind of kook that many former English lit majors are?

Per Catholictradition.org, blue represents heavenly love and unveiling of truth.   It's also the traditional color of Mary. 

It was creepy when Casey sat up and gleefully called Angela "cow".  In the book the demon enjoyed tormenting Regan by calling her that.  He also referred to her as such when speaking to Father Karras.  He even mimicked animal sounds, which was truly creepy.  It would sound like a demented barn yard inside her room. 

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Thanks! I have no religion but I figured it might be something like that. Now to attempt to figure out what (or if) it means in regard to those scenes. How I'll do that with no religious upbringing whatsoever, I do not know, haha! (Oh, why am I like this?)

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2 hours ago, TattleTeeny said:

I wasn't sure where to put this, or if it's been brought up before (I'm gonna look after I put this here; if it's already been discussed, point me in the right direction, by all means), but I'm noticing a lot of blue in these episodes--mainly a tealish kind of color. The Rances' home has a lot (walls, throw pillows), Kat's clothes, the dad's plaid shirt(s), tablecloths at the call center... Is there a significance that anyone knows of, or am I being the kind of kook that many former English lit majors are?

I thought it was just a decision by the set designers to bring a darkness and moodiness to the scenes. The whole show has a cool lense tint to it, so I think the blue sets help match that.

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17 hours ago, TattleTeeny said:

I wasn't sure where to put this, or if it's been brought up before (I'm gonna look after I put this here; if it's already been discussed, point me in the right direction, by all means), but I'm noticing a lot of blue in these episodes--mainly a tealish kind of color. The Rances' home has a lot (walls, throw pillows), Kat's clothes, the dad's plaid shirt(s), tablecloths at the call center... Is there a significance that anyone knows of, or am I being the kind of kook that many former English lit majors are?

I don't know the significance of blue, other than being cold.  They use a tungsten filter a lot, which works.  

I think the demon thing called Angela/Regan "sow", which was used in the book.  

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Yeah, it's sow--"the sow is mine."

But no, I don't think it's a filter; everything was not tinted blue, only certain articles like clothing and walls, throw pillows, stuff like that.

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37 minutes ago, Mu Shu said:

I don't know the significance of blue, other than being cold.  They use a tungsten filter a lot, which works.  

I think the demon thing called Angela/Regan "sow", which was used in the book.  

Sorry!  You're right, of course.  It's the same in the book and the TV show.

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On 11/14/2016 at 6:57 PM, Cirien said:

In the real world it's probably because they haven't cast him yet. Story wise I think we're meant to assume, that with the number of demons increasing in Chicago- that something is up with the pope. Taken literally it's just that the Pope is coming to the city. But given that the Demon worshipping cult is planning this event- and has clearly been planning it for some time - I think we're meant to at least suspect that the "He" the poster is referring is not the Pope but the Devil, especially as the message could also be for the demons that are flocking towards the city- it's a Double Entendre, could the poster be for both good Christian Folk and the Demons?

Or perhaps the Pope himself is actually in league with the Friars of Ascension and he's not a force of good but a force of evil.

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5 hours ago, TattleTeeny said:

But no, I don't think it's a filter; everything was not tinted blue, only certain articles like clothing and walls, throw pillows, stuff like that.

I probably used the wrong term, but a blue filter won't turn everything blue, it will just give everything a cooler, moody hue. Here's an article that shows some examples, and says most horror movies are blue.

http://www.cracked.com/article_18664_5-annoying-trends-that-make-every-movie-look-same.html

My thought was that the blue set pieces helped to match the tint placed on the actual video.

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On ‎11‎/‎12‎/‎2016 at 3:03 AM, mertensia said:

So the nuns kill everyone they exorcise? Okaaaay.

No, only those cases where the exorcism fails.  A mercy killing instead of letting the integrated demon loose.

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I probably used the wrong term, but a blue filter won't turn everything blue, it will just give everything a cooler, moody hue. Here's an article that shows some examples, and says most horror movies are blue.

Yes, I do get what you're saying here (big horror enthusiast), but I'm saying that is not what it looks like. It is not "moody," it is bright not unlike a "splash" (purity? hope? faith? truth?). Again, while I am seeing some darker instances of blue elsewhere (maybe also deliberate for the moody effect you mention?) and also some muted pastels, what I am talking about now are bold, turquoisey blues--azure, as RedheadZombie's link noted above.

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