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42 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

I don't know. I have no reason to assume that she'd be willing to whore herself out for money.

I'm not saying at all she'd "whore" herself out. Maybe sugar daddy was the wrong term (she's no Anfisa). But IMO - it's not outside the scope of rational thought that she thinks she can likely find somebody she likes as much as Russ in Miami who can offer her a similar lifestyle. As I said before - I think she's beautiful plus has a fun personality. My husband loves going "tas tas tas" every time she's on screen. He also loves the commercial that goes - just cause you take selfies in your kitchen doesn't make you a model (again applies more to Anfisa).

Alarm bells kinda ring though that she wants to change her name back. I think she's being a little less then genuine about Columbian tradition as an excuse. E.g, Pablo Escobar's name was Pablo Escobar (father's name) Gaviria (mother's name - apparently like American Smith), but always referred to as Escobar. I only know Gaviria cause I watched all 80+ episodes of the Columbian telenovela (subtitled) on Netflix (don't watch BTW - 40 of the episodes were tortuous)  but that was also his cousin's (main partner) name. The Columbian's though always called him Pablo Escobar. See tortuous telenovela.

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My gossip agenda:

1. That host was wretched! LORD! Could they not find someone with a witty sense of humor, charisma and some sensitivity to lighten up the proceedings -- maybe someone who is a true fan of the show who genuinely is interested in the participants?

2. Did Daya have a breast enhancement? She looks a lot different up top than she did in that wedding footage.

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I don't care how repulsive, obsessive, needy or crazy Danielle is, she's one of ours -- an American -- and it makes me angry to see her treated so poorly by that smug ... fellow.   I know she's no innocent but Mohammed is a guest here.  Yet he's carrying on as if he's the one with all the rights.

IMO, he is playing with fire threatening her as he does.   Doesn't he get that all it would take is one little "see something, say something" hint from her to the authorities and he would find himself in deep doodoo?  And that his dream of a green card would probably go up in flames on the spot?  

Hell hath no fury and all that.      

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I would have liked to have heard more from the other couples.  I didn't like questioning the other couples about what someone else did.  All the 'you go girl' from Melanie and Loren was ridiculous as they would be out for blood if their husbands showed the levels of disrespect to them that Pao is showing to Russ.  

Mo acts like he earned the green card and nobody can take it away from him.  Not so much.  However, trying to do this through an annulment isn't the way to go as Dani has made statements related to the validity of the marriage and it is clear that if she changes her statements it's to punish Mohammed.  Dani looked much better with the dark hair, but she really doesn't have a case for annulment.

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32 minutes ago, millennium said:

I don't care how repulsive, obsessive, needy or crazy Danielle is, she's one of ours -- an American -- and it makes me angry to see her treated so poorly by that smug ... fellow.   I know she's no innocent but Mohammed is a guest here.  Yet he's carrying on as if he's the one with all the rights.

IMO, he is playing with fire threatening her as he does.   Doesn't he get that all it would take is one little "see something, say something" hint from her to the authorities and he would find himself in deep doodoo?  And that his dream of a green card would probably go up in flames on the spot?  

Hell hath no fury and all that.      

She's not one of mine. And, if she tried to hang him up on a fabricated terrorist charge, she would find out being an American doesn't put you above the law. Immigrants have rights.  We're winning those cases more often than reported.

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50 minutes ago, Virtually Me said:

She's not one of mine. And, if she tried to hang him up on a fabricated terrorist charge, she would find out being an American doesn't put you above the law. Immigrants have rights.  We're winning those cases more often than reported.

I don't know who you mean by "we're" but I still think it would be prudent for him to watch his step.  Even people who were born here can find themselves jammed up legally because a divorcing spouse, ex-girlfriend/boyfriend, disgruntled date, etc., makes false allegations against them.   Danielle seems not only desperate, but determined not to be the loser in this.

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I hate that the Tell All turned into Dani & Mo...and Various Friends The Network Doesn't Really Care About As Much As Dani & Mo.  I get that Brett & Daya haven't been the most open toward this kind of thing, and Kyle & Noon aren't featured so much, but really? We get ten minutes on Paola's questionably tasteless pictures and...she's just the second most talked about during that hour.  

Has it been determined if any part of this show can help ICE/INS get the ball rolling to get any of the dudes like Mo a trip back home? I don't have strong feelings either way about any of the K1'ers but I'm really just asking if anything televised can be held as some form of legitimate evidence of "I'm Just Here For the Green Card, Y'all"... 

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1 hour ago, millennium said:

I don't know who you mean by "we're" but I still think it would be prudent for him to watch his step.  Even people who were born here can find themselves jammed up legally because a divorcing spouse, ex-girlfriend/boyfriend, disgruntled date, etc., makes false allegations against them.   Danielle seems not only desperate, but determined not to be the loser in this.

There are severe consequences for false accusations, especially those that involve wasting national security resources. With all the time Dani's spent around law enforcement, even she is probably aware of that.

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3 hours ago, millennium said:

I don't care how repulsive, obsessive, needy or crazy Danielle is, she's one of ours -- an American -- and it makes me angry to see her treated so poorly by that smug ... fellow.   I know she's no innocent but Mohammed is a guest here.  Yet he's carrying on as if he's the one with all the rights.

IMO, he is playing with fire threatening her as he does.   Doesn't he get that all it would take is one little "see something, say something" hint from her to the authorities and he would find himself in deep doodoo?  And that his dream of a green card would probably go up in flames on the spot?  

Hell hath no fury and all that.      

I don't see things that way at all. It's an us vs. them situation to you? Not me. Some ppl just suck, yes, including Americans. I just call it like I see it. And Americans aren't above the law, good taste or common decency.

Why must things be so nationalistic for some ppl??? Marriage is a universal thing. We should be on the side of decency...not America.

I can't tell if you are worried that someone will accuse Mo if terroristic intent or you hope someone does. But that's what's so GREAT about places like this. People don't have to shuffle around and hide in the shadows and kiss other ppl's asses bc they are of an ethnic background that is not the majority. Until he is actually deported (which may or may not happen s far as I know), Mo is legally allowed to be here and he can be just as smug as he wants to be. He doesn't have to kowtow to anyone bc he is from Tunisia.

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20 minutes ago, balisticnikki said:

I don't see things that way at all. It's an us vs. them situation to you? Not me. Some ppl just suck, yes, including Americans. I just call it like I see it. And Americans aren't above the law, good taste or common decency.

Why must things be so nationalistic for some ppl??? Marriage is a universal thing. We should be on the side of decency...not America.

I can't tell if you are worried that someone will accuse Mo if terroristic intent or you hope someone does. But that's what's so GREAT about places like this. People don't have to shuffle around and hide in the shadows and kiss other ppl's asses bc they are of an ethnic background that is not the majority. Until he is actually deported (which may or may not happen s far as I know), Mo is legally allowed to be here and he can be just as smug as he wants to be. He doesn't have to kowtow to anyone bc he is from Tunisia.

Nationalism has nothing to do with it, and I resent that you would suggest it.   I don't like your "some ppl" remark either, like I'm another species.

What it has to do with is basic respect and courtesy.   I wouldn't move to Tunisia and behave like the asshole Mohammed is.   I'd have more respect and appreciation for the people, the country, and the fact that I am a guest.   But like his counterpart the ugly American, Mohammed has come here and decided he can shit on whomever he pleases at will, be it Danielle or Luisa or anyone who doesn't give him what he wants.

My earlier post expressed neither worry or desire that someone would accuse Mohammed of anything suspicious, only that it was a possibility and he should keep it in mind when going around pissing off one woman after another.  

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4 minutes ago, millennium said:

Nationalism has nothing to do with it, and I resent that you would suggest it.   I don't like your "some ppl" remark either, like I'm another species.

What it has to do with is basic respect and courtesy.   I wouldn't move to Tunisia and behave like the asshole Mohammed is.   I'd have more respect and appreciation for the people, the country, and the fact that I am a guest.   But like his counterpart the ugly American, Mohammed has come here and decided he can shit on whomever he pleases at will, be it Danielle or Luisa or anyone who doesn't give him what he wants.

My earlier post expressed neither worry or desire that someone would accuse Mohammed of anything suspicious, only that it was a possibility and he should keep it in mind when going around pissing off one woman after another.  

He can be as big an asshole as he wants! He is a legal resident of the US and that is his right. No one is shaming the American citizens on the show that their bad behavior poorly reflects on America. So why should Mo be shamed that his bad behavior is an affront to America? Bad behavior has nothing to do w/ America. And we shouldn't side w/ anyone simply bc she is American. That's ridiculous!

Ppl can accuse anyone of anything. She's a bad mother...he cheats on his taxes...she embezzles from her employer...he's a terrorist. Anyone can say anything about anyone. That's nothing for only Arabs to fear. Mo has every bit as much right as Danielle to be in the US (until we know differently).

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3 hours ago, seacliffsal said:

I would have liked to have heard more from the other couples.  I didn't like questioning the other couples about what someone else did.  All the 'you go girl' from Melanie and Loren was ridiculous as they would be out for blood if their husbands showed the levels of disrespect to them that Pao is showing to Russ.  

Mo acts like he earned the green card and nobody can take it away from him.  Not so much.  However, trying to do this through an annulment isn't the way to go as Dani has made statements related to the validity of the marriage and it is clear that if she changes her statements it's to punish Mohammed.  Dani looked much better with the dark hair, but she really doesn't have a case for annulment.

If Mo took Dani to Pound Town even once? Oh he earned it!!!

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2 hours ago, balisticnikki said:

He can be as big an asshole as he wants! He is a legal resident of the US and that is his right. No one is shaming the American citizens on the show that their bad behavior poorly reflects on America. So why should Mo be shamed that his bad behavior is an affront to America? Bad behavior has nothing to do w/ America. And we shouldn't side w/ anyone simply bc she is American. That's ridiculous!

Ppl can accuse anyone of anything. She's a bad mother...he cheats on his taxes...she embezzles from her employer...he's a terrorist. Anyone can say anything about anyone. That's nothing for only Arabs to fear. Mo has every bit as much right as Danielle to be in the US (until we know differently).

It isn't his bad behaviour that is an affront to America.  It is that he obviously married Danielle in order to get a green card.  He had no intention of staying with her, no matter what he states.

He also does not have as much right as Danielle to be in the US.  She has her right by birth.  He is not even a citizen.  

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26 minutes ago, Real Eyes said:

It isn't his bad behaviour that is an affront to America.  It is that he obviously married Danielle in order to get a green card.  He had no intention of staying with her, no matter what he states.

He also does not have as much right as Danielle to be in the US.  She has her right by birth.  He is not even a citizen.  

You don't have to be a citizen to have a right to be here.

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Yes, but if you are not a citizen, you can be removed from the country.  All that is needed to deport someone is "clear and convincing evidence".  Non citizens do not have the same rights in law as do citizens.

If the INS determines Mohamed should not be allowed to stay in the US, he can be deported.  Danielle cannot be.

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9 hours ago, Real Eyes said:

It isn't his bad behaviour that is an affront to America.  It is that he obviously married Danielle in order to get a green card.   

They all married for a green card.  If they were merely seeking love they could have found it in their own country, an easier route.  Sometimes it works out but I have a hunch most of them went in with the idea of divorcing when free to do so.  

The Americans were looking for a spouse, too.  

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8 hours ago, Real Eyes said:

Yes, but if you are not a citizen, you can be removed from the country.  All that is needed to deport someone is "clear and convincing evidence".  Non citizens do not have the same rights in law as do citizens.

If the INS determines Mohamed should not be allowed to stay in the US, he can be deported.  Danielle cannot be.

Mohamed has the same right to due process as any American.  Danielle can lose her freedom and be imprisoned for immigration offenses. Neither are likely to be imprisoned nor deported.

BTW, there is no INS. A naturalized citizen can be deported. 

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9 minutes ago, wings707 said:

They all married for a green card.  If they were merely seeking love they could have found it in their own country, an easier route.  Sometimes it works out but I have a hunch most of them went in with the idea of divorcing when free to do so.  

The Americans were looking for a spouse, too.  

K-1 process really, really needs to be revamped, IMO. Maybe one good thing to come out of the new administration (yikes). But it's clearly not working at this point.

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4 minutes ago, wings707 said:

They all married for a green card.  If they were merely seeking love they could have found it in their own country, an easier route.  Sometimes it works out but I have a hunch most of them went in with the idea of divorcing when free to do so.  

The Americans were looking for a spouse, too.  

Just to add: Everyone on a K1 visa marries for a green card, if they intend to stay in the US. 

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25 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

K-1 process really, really needs to be revamped, IMO. Maybe one good thing to come out of the new administration (yikes). But it's clearly not working at this point.

The K1 works fine. This show is in no way indicative of the norm.

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4 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

I know a few who never applied, so that's not true of all.

If they never applied, they must have left. The green card is what allows a non-citizen to remain in the country legally, whether they work or not.

2 minutes ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

It certainly doesn't appear to be true of Noon. She couldn't seem to care less about her green card.

She's still here.

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3 minutes ago, Virtually Me said:

The K1 works fine. This show is in no way indicative of the norm.

I wonder how many are divorced/separated within 2-3 years. That's not "working" to me.

1 minute ago, Virtually Me said:

If they never applied, they must have left. The green is what allows a non-citizen to remain in the country legally, whether they work or not.

No, they didn't leave, but yes, their status is in jeopardy I would assume. 

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53 minutes ago, Virtually Me said:

Marriage, as an institution,  doesn't work. The rate of divorce in the US is high among Americans. 

Agreed...most US to US marriages fizzle out after 2 to 3 years...about the same time that real life often destroys the love...we've been taught it's a fairly tale, but you've got to work at it to keep it going.

Seems Brett and Daya are working out. She's a Filipina, and marriage is taken very seriously over there, since divorce is illegal.  

Many immigrants find our lifestyle isolating...small towns...nobody knows their neighbors...you absolutely need a car in most places...those from big cities who are used to getting on mass transit to shop/explore will find themselves very bored.  Not to mention the spectacle of hordes of overweight people and crappy food everywhere.

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2 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

Many immigrants find our lifestyle isolating...small towns...nobody knows their neighbors...you absolutely need a car in most places...those from big cities who are used to getting on mass transit to shop/explore will find themselves very bored.  Not to mention the spectacle of hordes of overweight people and crappy food everywhere.

This American finds our lifestyle isolating!!!

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2 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

Many immigrants find our lifestyle isolating...small towns...nobody knows their neighbors...you absolutely need a car in most places...those from big cities who are used to getting on mass transit to shop/explore will find themselves very bored.  Not to mention the spectacle of hordes of overweight people and crappy food everywhere.

I live in a city; when I stayed in a small town years ago, I thought I was going to go insane; the only thing to do was go to church and eat crappy food.

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On ‎11‎/‎8‎/‎2016 at 1:05 PM, Landlord said:

If you check out Mark's daughter Elise on her FB or IG, she likes getting funky with her hair, she's the cutest thing. 

She is adorable! I wish that they would invite her on one of the reunions. She handled herself so well through all of that mess with her Dad.

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I guess what bothered me most about Mohammad was him calling the police over her throwing paper at him (as well his 10 calls in the past that were mostly about facebook posts and Danielle and her daughters touching his clothes when he was moving out). He knows how to work the system and by getting a restraining order on Danielle's son because he was upset about how his mom was treated or calling the police Danielle over papers being thrown or facebook posts. I guess I would only call the police for a real emergency. I haven't heard of many police departments that have extra staff and are sitting around doing nothing and can just run to every martial fight. I'm sure in Miami when at least 3 police cars came to Mohammad after the papers being thrown, could have been serving the citizens in some more important matters. TLC was filming, if the paper throwing was really something that he needed documented, he had a film crew filming. Didn't teen mom use footage to help a domestic abuse situation? I understand people have rights to make a report. If Mohamad was in no danger or wanted to report a facebook post, he could go to the police station and fill out a form for the records. That way 3 police cars and those officers could have been taking other most likely more important calls. Maybe I'm touchy on this because I watched a child get severly hurt by a pitbull because there was there was a 45 minute wait for the police to come out(we have no evening dog catcher), or recently we had a sex offender that was reported in April get arrested last week after doing horrible acts to small children because it took 6 months for the report to get proper attention do to back up in emergency calls and staffing.

Do I think Mohammad is some bad guy with bad motives to come to this country, no. I think he wants the American lifestyle seen on social media and TV. He certainly did not want a mom with 3 kids at home in rural Ohio. It has shown on TV how easily it is to come into our county on a K1 visa. Find a lonely woman who is willing and you might just have an easy way in. As I have posted before k1 visas are very common where I live since there are over 1,000 young people in my area on overseas missions. While the people that live around me have stories like Alan, Danny and Josh, it shows me how easy it is to get a K1 visa. I see it over and over a again, someone converts to the religion, starts a relationship with a America missionary and is usually here within 6-9 months married. Seems like it could be really easy to fake converting to a religion for a few months and then wait for the process.

 

As for Russ, his wife does not have a job, even my 13 year old could tell that "contract" was no job. If he is an enginner , he needs to keep applying and find a job. Maybe it is in Grand Junction or ND, but I think they need to have a talk about what is important , financially security and starting a family in the next few years or are they still in have fun and not settle down yet. Paola has had 10 + years to model and have fun. Great if she finds a way to keep doing it, but most people once they hit 30 , usually start to think long term. Sure retirement accounts, choosing the right health plan and home equity and not really fun subjects but it is real life. It is too bad Paola can't find a way to take her outgoing fun  personality and transition into a career that is different then modeling.

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On 11/7/2016 at 8:26 AM, Straycat80 said:

The reunion show was more about what's going on with Mo and Dani. And we learned some interesting things and TMI. The hostess was even flustered. Surprised that Mo and Dani had had sex. Sounds like there were problems in that area though. I liked how the other couples, especially Melanie and Pao were beating up on him.

Pao and Russ seemed doomed. Living separate lives and fighting about what last name their future kids would have, if they have any.

I'm never going by show previews ever again after they faked us out that Devar left Mel. He did not. 

The thing I hated most about the reunion was how the other couples were reinforcing Dani's delusions. NO BODY needs to be encouraging this mentally ill woman by saying YOU GO GIRL!! NO. You get some therapy girl!!!!

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Pao is slowly checking out of that marriage, imo. As others have said, she doesn't have a guaranteed job or income, yet she's going to Miami. Changing her name back is a childish and spiteful move-- if it meant that much to her, she wouldn't have changed it to Russ' in the first place. She's keeping him on the hook in case things don't work out in Miami and Russ gets a good job again, but she's looking for a better deal, imo. If she gets work as some kind of model and things work out there ( pehaps meets someone else?) I don't see her returning to Oklahoma.

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1 hour ago, Adiba said:

Pao is slowly checking out of that marriage, imo.

 

1 hour ago, Adiba said:

Changing her name back is a childish and spiteful move

Why would she have to change her name at all for her CAREER? Even if it works out, she could just go simply by "Paola" as her supermodel name. 

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12 hours ago, Virtually Me said:

BTW, there is no INS. A naturalized citizen can be deported. 

That is correct, but only convicted drug dealers and convicted murderers. 

I actually feel sorry for Russ.  It appears that after appearing on the original show, and being called "hot",  the adulations have gone to Paola's head.  A lot of posters said she was out of his leagues and that she would eventually leave him.  It seems as though they were right. 

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16 hours ago, Trace said:

The thing I hated most about the reunion was how the other couples were reinforcing Dani's delusions. NO BODY needs to be encouraging this mentally ill woman by saying YOU GO GIRL!! NO. You get some therapy girl!!!!

I think she could obviously benefit from therapy, but the positive support from the others was great, IMO. 

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On ‎11‎/‎8‎/‎2016 at 3:04 PM, gonecrackers said:

Melanie is just annoying with her tough girl act in this whole thing; the previews are disturbing - what is she going to do? Beat up Mo?  It's none of her business & she should just calm down; her reactions are over the top.

I like Mel; she seems like a kind and good person.  However, I think the $38,000  that she admittedly spent on Devar was money that could have been put towards Hunter's education.  And now, she is going to co-sign a $35,000 loan so he can attend Diving school.  My head!  I think she should be one of the last people to call someone else manipulative, because I believe her husband is using "good loving" to manipulate the heck out of her.  In my humble opinion, the only difference between Mel and Dani is that Mel has the means to take care of her "foreign purchase". So, ama need her to step down off her high horse and surrender her soap box. 

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2 hours ago, Adeejay said:

I like Mel; she seems like a kind and good person.  However, I think the $38,000  that she admittedly spent on Devar was money that could have been put towards Hunter's education.  And now, she is going to co-sign a $35,000 loan so he can attend Diving school.  My head!  I think she should be one of the last people to call someone else manipulative, because I believe her husband is using "good loving" to manipulate the heck out of her.  In my humble opinion, the only difference between Mel and Dani is that Mel has the means to take care of her "foreign purchase". So, ama need her to step down off her high horse and surrender her soap box. 

Absolutely. I believe she's quite selfish, for the reasons stated. She has a child who could use that money for his future, & she took a huge risk bringing a stranger into the home with him. But that's my opinion.

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2 hours ago, Adeejay said:

I like Mel; she seems like a kind and good person.  However, I think the $38,000  that she admittedly spent on Devar was money that could have been put towards Hunter's education.  And now, she is going to co-sign a $35,000 loan so he can attend Diving school.  My head!  I think she should be one of the last people to call someone else manipulative, because I believe her husband is using "good loving" to manipulate the heck out of her.  In my humble opinion, the only difference between Mel and Dani is that Mel has the means to take care of her "foreign purchase". So, ama need her to step down off her high horse and surrender her soap box. 

Who knows, maybe Hunter's dad has agreed to fund his education?

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2 hours ago, gonecrackers said:

Absolutely. I believe she's quite selfish, for the reasons stated. She has a child who could use that money for his future, & she took a huge risk bringing a stranger into the home with him. But that's my opinion.

couldnt agree more.

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On November 8, 2016 at 10:08 AM, Pepper Mostly said:

Yes, this is my take also. Pao is perfectly free to use her maiden name "professionally" (haha) without legally changing it back. And if she'd wanted to retain her maiden name when she  married, more power to her. But to marry a man, take his name, and then legally change back to your maiden name? Why do that? It just seems like a mean and spiteful thing to do, aimed at hurting Russ and his family. That's not cool.

My best friend  from college is an attorney. She took her husbands name, nobody recognized who she was...she then hyphenated it...it was too long, so she took her name back. They stayed married for 12+ years. 

But since Paola said she wanted her maiden name back because his parents don't treat her like a Mayfield, I do agree that's a big FU to his family.  She married him, not them. Had she said she wanted her name back for professional reasons, no big whoop.

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4 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

Who knows, maybe Hunter's dad has agreed to fund his education?

Let's say that Hunter's dad agree to fund his education, then perhaps Melanie should have put the money in a trust fund for him, instead of spending it on a life guard.  If I am going to spend $73,000 on a man, he'd better look like Jon Hamm, Colin Firth or Patrick Dempsey.

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1 minute ago, Adeejay said:

Let's say that Hunter's dad agree to fund his education, then perhaps Melanie should have put the money in a trust fund for him, instead of spending it on a life guard.  If I am going to spend $73,000 on a man, he'd better look like Jon Hamm, Colin Firth or Patrick Dempsey.

Maybe to Mel, Devar does look like those hunks you mentioned. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  Devar has a smoking bod, beautiful teeth, and a very charming accent.  He also looks very photogenic.

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