The Other Duggars: The Lost Girls and Amy

[Sew Sumi]

3130 will be closed as of Monday. I wonder how long Wellington's will be able to keep their doors open for indoor dining?

[JoanArc]

14 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

3130 will be closed as of Monday. I wonder how long Wellington's will be able to keep their doors open for indoor dining?

 Looks like Amy is keeping her online business open, saw that she might make a tiny bit of income.  I can’t imagine losing both incomes at once. I hope Amy or Mr. Amy both have some kind a marketable skill for a recession economy.  

[Sew Sumi]

Frankly, I bet Amy does better with the online business than in-store. 

[BigBingerBro]

If Famy were smart, she'll start doing Facebook Live selling events.  She has a fairly big following and if she had a few friends model her inventory during a Live Facebook session, she could make some big $$$

[ginger90]

 

[crazy8s]

Wellingtons got the message, finally, and have closed the dining room and went to carryout and delivery.

Due to recent updates concerning COVID-19 (Coronavirus) at the state level, Wellington’s will be closing our dining room beginning Friday, March 20th until further notice. During this challenging time out Curbside Pickup will continue to operate as well as a limited Delivery program. Those details follow:

* Free deliver within a 5 Mile Radius of our location
* $5 delivery within a 10 Mile Radius
* $30 minimum order for delivery
* Beer and bottled wine available per ABC
* Cigars available as well

During this challenging time, we ask that you consider our remaining staff as you place your pick up or delivery orders. Tips are appreciated.

For more information on closings and COVID-19 updates:
https://ecs.page.link/EHPmX

 

Edited March 20, 2020 by crazy8s

[Sew Sumi]

About time, Dillon. Should have heeded the CDC's advice earlier.

[Zella]

Just FYI, Gov. Hutchison had issued an order for all restaurants to do this yesterday. However, many in my local area had already done so before it was mandated. Dillon waited to the bitter end. 🙄

[Sew Sumi]

He went past the mandate if they just closed Friday. (It sounded like they were open today.)

[Zella]

4 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

He went past the mandate if they just closed Friday. (It sounded like they were open today.)

I'm not 100% sure when it went into effect--I wasn't eating out so didn't pay too much attention to it beyond seeing all the closed notices on social media. The order yesterday may have gone into effect today.

But that wouldn't surprise me if they screwed that up. Everything about that whole operation has been botched from even before it opened. 

Edited March 21, 2020 by Zella

[Zella]

Hmm I just quickly googled a couple of different respected news sources, and none of them gave an in effect day/time for the restaurant closings. It doesn't say effective immediately, but that is the vibe I am getting. What a shit you are, Dillon. 

[Sew Sumi]

They couldn't have been that busy to begin with. But staying open is just irresponsible.

[Zella]

8 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

They couldn't have been that busy to begin with. But staying open is just irresponsible.

Agreed, especially when so many more area restaurants were proactive about trying to do delivery/takeout/curbside before it was mandated. In my area, one restaurant--one of my favorites actually!--closed the dining room early this week but is cooking up family-size batches for people to purchase (like huge batches of pasta that are much cheaper than they should be priced) and another one also closed inside but is giving away extra produce cheaply. They're small businesses, and I know this has got to be hell for them financially, but I really respect them for trying to be responsible and help the community.

Edited March 21, 2020 by Zella
Batches, not patches, damnit! ;)

[Sew Sumi]

Crystal Ball Katie interviews Amy. It's long (and I didn't watch it all), but it's quite good. Amy's best story was when the Duggars took her to an ATI retreat. She hated every second of it and called the Gothardites "robots." 

 

[McManda]

😲 That video is  already taken down. Katie Joy is Livestream on YouTube right now about how it wasn't YouTube, or Amy's doing.

JB acts fast! 

Edited March 26, 2020 by McManda

[lascuba]

18 minutes ago, McManda said:

😲 That video is  already taken down. Katie Joy is Livestream on YouTube right now about how it wasn't YouTube, or Amy's doing.

JB acts fast! 

I stopped watching the explanation a couple of minutes in, but it sounded like she said that Amy called her and asked her to take it down because "someone" wanted it gone. Was there more to it? 

[Sew Sumi]

Damn, that was fast!

[McManda]

1 minute ago, lascuba said:

I stopped watching the explanation a couple of minutes in, but it sounded like she said that Amy called her and asked her to take it down because "someone" wanted it gone. Was there more to it? 

So I watched some of the live stream of the aftermath and from what I glean is that it seems KJ made the video private after Amy asked her to. Amy asked her to because, it seems, Amy was threatened by "someone" with a lawsuit of it wasn't taken down. (KJ doesn't say names but it's very clearly JB.)

From what I can gather, Amy didn't even say anything much about her family, just that she was not a fan of IBLP or the retreat she went on.

KJ also mentions some things not relating to Amy in her veiled allegations against JB and his bullying, namely that is been confirmed (has it?) that Josh is the one being investigated by Homeland Security and ICE, and that is related to Josh "fraudulently buying property already owned by someone else" (though I'm confused why either department would be investigating that kind of crime) and Anna is likely will be called to testify. 

I imagine KJ will leave her Livestream up, it might be worth a watch for someone more up to date on the Duggar drama. I'll admit I'm the wrong person to be summarizing.

I wonder if the same thing will happen to her planned video with Derrick?

[Sew Sumi]

The video itself was totally harmless. Deanna made an appearance, so it wasn't her. Katie strongly suggests that it was Boob.

Edited March 26, 2020 by Sew Sumi

[lascuba]

I can't imagine what Amy would have said that would make JB threaten a lawsuit with all the publicity that suing a family member would bring. Honestly, I think Amy just regretted doing the interview for whatever reason and came up with the best excuse you could think of to get the youtuber to take it down without a fuss. 

[McManda]

14 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

Katie strongly hints that it was Boob.

I'd say she more than strongly hints. She basically says it's him without using his name, directing her comments towards "someone" and calling out "someone's son" "Josh". I don't think it's Michelle. She's too loopy on benzos.

Edited March 26, 2020 by McManda

[Sew Sumi]

Yes, I am getting that now that I'm further into the video.

[McManda]

5 minutes ago, lascuba said:

I can't imagine what Amy would have said that would make JB threaten a lawsuit with all the publicity that suing a family member would bring. Honestly, I think Amy just regretted doing the interview for whatever reason and came up with the best excuse you could think of to get the youtuber to take it down without a fuss. 

Maybe, but JB obviously thinks he can keep things within the family secret. I wouldn't be surprised if he assumed that the threat of a lawsuit was enough to Amy to retract the video and keep her mouth shut about the reasons.

I imagine if it was really just regret on Amy's part she could have just said as much. Bit Amy's also asked her life -by choice- on shows like Marriage Boot Camp so I'm not sure what about this would make her personally balk. 

[Sew Sumi]

Me either. That interview was harmless. 

[lascuba]

2 minutes ago, McManda said:

Maybe, but JB obviously thinks he can keep things within the family secret. I wouldn't be surprised if he assumed that the threat of a lawsuit was enough to Amy to retract the video and keep her mouth shut about the reasons.

I imagine if it was really just regret on Amy's part she could have just said as much. Bit Amy's also asked her life -by choice- on shows like Marriage Boot Camp so I'm not sure what about this would make her personally balk. 

Did Amy reveal any secrets other than that ATI retreat? I really wish I had seen that interview! She's just always been so eager to capitalize on the Duggar name even though it's pretty obvious JB has always kept her at arm's length. I love when she trash talks them, but I don't actually believe she knows much (unless Jill has been confiding in her...now THAT would be a story.)

[Sew Sumi]

They did talk about Jill a bit, but didn't mention her banishment by Boob. Amy just said she'd always be there for her. 

Here's Katie's rebuttal in full. I've never seen her so pissed 

 

 

 

[BitterApple]

Why would Amy cave to Boob though? If she didn't say anything damaging about the family or even mention them, what grounds would there be for a lawsuit? 

[Zella]

Maybe it was less actually fearing he'd go through with it and more not just wanting to put up with the bullshit storm he could create in the family? I can envision him aggravating the shit out of his sister to get to Amy, and Amy deciding that's more trouble than it's worth in the middle of a pandemic that has probably hit both her and her husband's income pretty hard. 

[Temperance]

All I remember about Amy during Joshgate is her saying repeatedly she didn't know. 

[GeeGolly]

4 hours ago, BitterApple said:

Why would Amy cave to Boob though? If she didn't say anything damaging about the family or even mention them, what grounds would there be for a lawsuit? 

I agree. I haven't seen or heard any of what went down, but you can't get sued for commenting on truths.

I think it's pretty shitty to talk general smack about one's family without a purpose though. Did Amy have a reason for doing this interview?

[Churchhoney]

Is it possible that his political consultants have convinced JB that highlighting the Duggar IBLP connection at all would be a big threat to Jed!'s election chances? And that those election chances are really really important to JB right now?.....

I realize that this, like all  the other potential explanations people have thought of, seems too stupid and trivial to make a huge fuss over....But somebody obviously did tell JB that at some point earlier, since he pretty obviously scrubbed Jed!'s resume of the "executive director" of the godly youth camp that was just obliquely ATI-connected....when initially the plan had clearly been to point to that fake position as part of Jed!'s qualifications for office. 

Just as @Zella noted about Amy, JB may be super-anxious right now (just like lots of other people) and that would fuel his control-freak behavior....

And I agree that none of this is any actual grounds for a lawsuit -- but, valid legal claim or not, I expect that's what JB often threatens when he wants something (like other big dumb bullies I could mention...) .... and if Amy's got anxiety going, too, and she almost certainly has, it'd make an mpression on her....

That amounts to very little. (and not that JEd!'s got any actual political chances...) But it's all I got. 

Mysterious. 

Edited March 26, 2020 by Churchhoney

[ginger90]

[ginger90]

From today:

 

 

[JoanArc]

NDAs.  The plot thickens. One of our legal people tell me if they are enforceable or not? I have read even though you have to sign them they are often unenforceable. 

 

 Amy may soon be hurting for dollars. Either Jim Bob can supply them to her or the media can supply them to her when she talks about Jim Bob. I wonder which one he would prefer? 

[ginger90]

1 minute ago, JoanArc said:

NDAs.  The plot thickens. One of our legal people tell me if they are enforceable or not? I have read even though you have to sign them they are often unenforceable. 

 

 

Google tells me:

 

NDAs are legally enforceable contracts, but they're now coming under increased scrutiny from lawmakers, attorneys and legal experts. Some states have even introduced legislation to ban them altogether when they involve claims of sexual misconduct.

[JoanArc]

2 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Google tells me:

 

NDAs are legally enforceable contracts, but they're now coming under increased scrutiny from lawmakers, attorneys and legal experts. Some states have even introduced legislation to ban them altogether when they involve claims of sexual misconduct.

 Thanks. I have read a lot about them regarding the current administration especially with staff members being forced to sign them. Apparently they can be broken but I don’t know the inns and outs of that. It sounds like Amy was probably talking around one in this interview. 

[Sew Sumi]

13 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I agree. I haven't seen or heard any of what went down, but you can't get sued for commenting on truths.

I think it's pretty shitty to talk general smack about one's family without a purpose though. Did Amy have a reason for doing this interview?

Amy didn't talk smack at all. It seems she wanted to do this interview to showcase the "real" Amy.

et respond to the last post. Amy didn't talk much about her time on TLC other than to point out that producers wanted her as a foil. She pointed out that she was never a rebel but was just living a regular person's life. Nothing there to break an NDA.

Edited March 26, 2020 by Sew Sumi

[fonfereksglen]

43 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

 Thanks. I have read a lot about them regarding the current administration especially with staff members being forced to sign them. Apparently they can be broken but I don’t know the inns and outs of that. It sounds like Amy was probably talking around one in this interview. 

NDAs are not unique to the current administration nor the worlds of politics and business in general.  It is a way of protecting inside information or trade secrets.

In the military, this is the reason for security clearances, which give access to certain levels of information, depending on the level of clearance.  And disclosure of classified  info is a crime.  

On point, TLC has been notorious regarding enforcing NDAs.

Edit ... I guess the real question is why anyone would hover around Amy.  

Edited March 26, 2020 by fonfereksglen

[Sew Sumi]

Amy is apparently a fan of Katie's. So is Deanna. It's basically a mutual admiration society. 

Edited March 26, 2020 by Sew Sumi

[galaxygirl76]

So is this going to backfire on Boob because I'm all about things backfiring on Boob.

[Zella]

5 hours ago, JoanArc said:

NDAs.  The plot thickens. One of our legal people tell me if they are enforceable or not? I have read even though you have to sign them they are often unenforceable. 

Definitely not a lawyer--I think @Scarlett45 is, though!

I read a fair amount of NDAs about a month ago because I was binge-reading She Said and Catch and Kill, and Weinstein's NDAs with victims came up quite a bit. My impression for NDAs in those situations is similar to what Ginger90 said in that they are enforceable but getting increased scrutiny in certain situations. A lot of famous/well-to-do actresses were palpably still frightened of violating their NDAs concerning Weinstein and the legal consequences of doing so until it was obvious he was toppled and would probably not be able to enforce them by taking the women to court.

If Amy actually has an NDA, that is . . . interesting. Though it makes me wonder why Jim Bob didn't cram one down Derick's throat. LOL

Edited March 27, 2020 by Zella

[Nysha]

1 hour ago, Zella said:

If Amy actually has an NDA, that is . . . interesting. Though it makes me wonder why Jim Bob didn't cram one down Derick's throat. LOL

I'm guessing that JB doesn't have anything Derick wants and Derick's counting on him not taking it to court to keep from having any more of the Duggar's dirty laundry exposed. 

[floridamom]

Since the Duggar family is so Christian, good and moral, there should be no need for a relative to sign an NDA. Boob has many things to hide form the general pubic apparently.

[Spencer Hastings]

There’s not even a word to describe how despicable it is to enforce a NDA in which a niece can’t even mention her family.  But then I remember who I’m talking about and sadly this doesn’t even crack a Top Ten list of the awful things JB has done (that we know about).

[GeeGolly]

The only way I could possibly see Amy signing an NDA with JB is from when she was doing other reality shows. It would have benefited both of them. It would have kept any less than flattering Duggar info on the down low and would have made it easier for Amy to keep the focus on her rather than her relatives by saying she can't discuss them.

If TLC had them sign NDAs it wouldn't be about each other, because that would be impossible to enforce. 

I'm not sure there is an NDA though. 

[Scarlett45]

7 hours ago, Zella said:

Definitely not a lawyer--I think @Scarlett45 is, though!

I read a fair amount of NDAs about a month ago because I was binge-reading She Said and Catch and Kill, and Weinstein's NDAs with victims came up quite a bit. My impression for NDAs in those situations is similar to what Ginger90 said in that they are enforceable but getting increased scrutiny in certain situations. A lot of famous/well-to-do actresses were palpably still frightened of violating their NDAs concerning Weinstein and the legal consequences of doing so until it was obvious he was toppled and would probably not be able to enforce them by taking the women to court.

If Amy actually has an NDA, that is . . . interesting. Though it makes me wonder why Jim Bob didn't cram one down Derick's throat. LOL

@Zella hi. Yup I’m a lawyer. The thing with NDAs is that you can’t use them to obstruct justice or perpetuate crimes. For example we cannot conspire to murder someone, sign a NDA, and then when you go to the police and expose our conspiracy I sue you for violating it!😂 

I would think all TLC reality show participants sign NDAs, which is why Derrick’s language is so cryptic. Jon Gosselin said his was valid for 10yrs. 

[GeeGolly]

17 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

@Zella hi. Yup I’m a lawyer. The thing with NDAs is that you can’t use them to obstruct justice or perpetuate crimes. For example we cannot conspire to murder someone, sign a NDA, and then when you go to the police and expose our conspiracy I sue you for violating it!😂 

I would think all TLC reality show participants sign NDAs, which is why Derrick’s language is so cryptic. Jon Gosselin said his was valid for 10yrs. 

I thought Jon's NDA was with Kate and part of his divorce, not TLC.

[Scarlett45]

11 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I thought Jon's NDA was with Kate and part of his divorce, not TLC.

I thought TLC made him sign one? I could be mistaken. 

[GeeGolly]

11 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

I thought TLC made him sign one? I could be mistaken. 

From am online article...

"Jon and Kate Gosselin split way back in 2009, but the couple signed a non-disclosure agreement as part of their divorce agreement, which meant neither could really trash the other in public.

For 10 years, that is.

With such a contract having now expired, Jon has made a point over and over of late of telling anyone who listens that Kate was a terrible wife and is now an irresponsible mother."

[Scarlett45]

17 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

From am online article...

"Jon and Kate Gosselin split way back in 2009, but the couple signed a non-disclosure agreement as part of their divorce agreement, which meant neither could really trash the other in public.

For 10 years, that is.

With such a contract having now expired, Jon has made a point over and over of late of telling anyone who listens that Kate was a terrible wife and is now an irresponsible mother."

Ah! Ok thank you.