Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[Churchhoney]

20 minutes ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

Like I said, the math didn't make sense, so I was trying to come up with a scenario that made sense.  If Derick was 25 when he married Muffy, then unless DDD was a late in life baby like if Cathy had him when she was 40. This scenario puts Cathys YOB at 1950, which if the correct DOB is 1925, her birth mother could have been 25 at the time.  Maybe a teen mom isn't the story, but perhaps an office assistant  who found herself in an inappropriate relationship with a married man or an army nurse who lost her love in the Korean War and found herself pregnant. Anything's possible...the plot thickens.

Many possible stories, but due to the circumstances surrounding the pregnancy, maybe because of shame or heartbreak, the mother nay not want to be found. Times are way more forgiving than they used to be.

I get your point! I was so focused on the only thing that I was trying to do in that post -- responding that the teen-mom scenario wasn't possible if the birth date was right -- that I didn't catch on the first time!

[Arwen Evenstar]

Just learned Kathy is 57. YOB is 1959.  Birth mom would have been 34.

[Micks Picks]

Well ok then since they are poking around for possibilities, in a most unseemly and public way, and damn the consequences to the people really related to the mother, then I guess we are all free to write a virtual fictional book of who these people were, and are, and how it all came to pass.  You know, ma was molested in a tb sanitarium and would not be granted the child until she was cured, and she already had a few kids and a husband who ran away from all the difficulties, so ma eventually got out and tried to make a life for herself pole-dancing to support them.  A couple of sons in the slam, and ma has dementia now and doesn't remember them, which is a blessing…..that sort of thing.

[Sew Sumi]

Joyce died in 1982, so thankfully she won't be part of any Dullard family reunion. I really hope that they don't pester her relatives. That could get ugly, fast. 

[Fuzzysox]

On 6/2/2016 at 8:55 PM, riverblue22 said:

Cathy should find a friend who is a genealogist to help her out.  The information seems to be there. There is also stuff on Newspapers.com

Or simply just apply to be on Lost Family. I'm sure Jill has some connects at TLC. BTW I love that show!!

[Brooklynista]

Catelynn and Tyler from MTV's Teen Mom are trying to drum up volunteers for a reconnect with lost relative type of show. I'd like to see that crossover.

Derrick and Tyler can connect over the weed.

Edited June 4, 2016 by Brooklynista

[GeeGolly]

I get how selfish and arrogant the public search for Cathy's birth mom appears. I have a few adopted nieces & nephews and their stories of reconnecting with their birth families all varied, and one nephew was met with an adamant "No I do not want to meet you", from his birth mother.

When I asked an adopted niece about this post of Jill's, she said she gets it. She said there comes a time for some adoptees when they feel no need to protect the adoptive parent. She explained the feelings aren't necessarily mean, or resentful, just more like "I have feelings and questions about my birth and I matter too." She also mentioned that feeling like a secret, brings with it some shame. She actually has no problem with Jill's post. She said any relatives will either embrace her or not, and added "Adoption is not a sin, what would they have to feel embarrassed or private about?".

[Arwen Evenstar]

Makes me wonder what's going on with the Dullards. Joy Anna was also in CA.  Jessa and Bin had just gotten back when His Boobship paid a visit. Some possible scenarios:

1. Muffy and Dillweed are in difficulties.
2. Muffy is lonely/isolated/overwhelmed.
3. Muffy needs that Duggar Kool Aid.
4. Boob is hoping one of his minions will drop a dime on some unseemly behavior.
5.  Boob's need for control extends across international boundaries; he wants the missioncation to fail so he can use it as a cautionary tale, lest any of his spawn gets any lofty ideas bout escapin'.

Boob.fancies himself as the capo of a Fundie Mafia family.  The Boobfather!

[Fuzzysox]

14 minutes ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

Makes me wonder what's going on with the Dullards. Joy Anna was also in CA.  Jessa and Bin had just gotten back when His Boobship paid a visit. Some possible scenarios:

1. Muffy and Dillweed are in difficulties.
2. Muffy is lonely/isolated/overwhelmed.
3. Muffy needs that Duggar Kool Aid.
4. Boob is hoping one of his minions will drop a dime on some unseemly behavior.
5.  Boob's need for control extends across international boundaries; he wants the missioncation to fail so he can use it as a cautionary tale, lest any of his spawn gets any lofty ideas bout escapin'.

Boob.fancies himself as the capo of a Fundie Mafia family.  The Boobfather!

LMAO BEST NAME yet!!

[bigskygirl]

Muffy overwhelmed? She cannot take care of her own child without someone holding her hand. Seriously... She is already swimming in the Duggar Kool Aid with fins and a straw. I would not be surprise if Dillweed is not so happy with his child/teenage bride. I cannot stand him the majority of the time, but it must be hard being married to a co-dependent, giggle box, needy, teenage minded young girl who came with a totally obnoxious, narcissistic, narrow minded family.

[Arwen Evenstar]

I can't take complete total credit...that came from Beavis and Butthead calling one another Dillweed and Dillhole.

[DoctorWhovian]

Trying to find your adoptive family is one thing, and is completely understandable. But it's the addressing it in this "Izzy wants to meet his great grandmother" that implies the adopted parent isn't that, which kinda puts me off. 

[Arwen Evenstar]

56 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

Muffy overwhelmed? She cannot take care of her own child without someone holding her hand. Seriously... She is already swimming in the Duggar Kool Aid with fins and a straw. I would not be surprise if Dillweed is not so happy with his child/teenage bride. I cannot stand him the majority of the time, but it must be hard being married to a co-dependent, giggle box, needy, teenage minded young girl who came with a totally obnoxious, narcissistic, narrow minded family.

I think you just gave the best description possible of Muffy! 

She was taught all her life that babies are "where it's at", so one would think she out to know how to care for a baby since she's been a sister mom to several of her siblings. 

Until she left home, she'd never been allowed to go anywhere on her own, not used to making her own decisions, and she's carrying the scars of what Josh did to her as well as growing up in almost complete isolation. Derick is probably realizing the extent to which she's been damaged.

I think Derick likes the Jill, but not the Duggar. 

[Marigold]

Derick is a complete kook.  Jill is lonely and isolated. 

I think they are happy together overall.  My opinion is that Derick likes the clingy, giggle box because he NEEDS that type of "girl", not an intelligent, strong woman.  Derick needs a girl to be excited for his stupid smoothie and fall all over this every word...to stand there and be impressed while he attempts to teach some crazy nonsense in really bad Spanish. He needs a girl to adore him.  

Derick was attracted to Jill for a reason. I'm not buying that he is shocked to find out she is a dingbat. I think he wanted a dingbat who would idolize the ground he walks on.  Derick knew exactly who and what Jill is when he started courting and then proposed. He knew the family; he reached out to Jim Bob to be his prayer partner.  This is what Derick wanted.  

We can't imagine this because we are thinking "who the F wants a girl giggling and clinging all day??? A dingdong who can barely do anything by herself! That's super annoying.  Derick must want to run screaming from her"      Derick eats that shit up. He enjoys it, loves it and needs it.  They truly might be a good match for eachother. 

 

That being said, i think jill is very lonely in Danger America and Joy might be super bored in Duggarville so she went down to hang out and help/do something. I'm sure both Joy and Jill benefit from the visit in their own ways.  

[Arwen Evenstar]

Clingy and dingy. I think you're right, Marigold, Muffy fits the bill perfectly for Dillweed.

i also agree that we're likely projecting our more independent POV of life as we know it -- that a needy, clingy, utterly dependent partner would drive most self actualized people batshit crazy.

Doesn't everyone (if they're honest) want someone who loves them unconditionally for who they are no matter what? Only they really know what they see in one another.

 I have to keep reminding myself that I've got more than 20 years on them in chronological age and more than that in maturity and life experience. Is it really fair for us to expect them to be "where we are" when they've never even been allowed to "go there"?  I'm not trying to give them a pass, I'd only expect them to have maturity appropriate for most people their age.

[Churchhoney]

4 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I get how selfish and arrogant the public search for Cathy's birth mom appears. I have a few adopted nieces & nephews and their stories of reconnecting with their birth families all varied, and one nephew was met with an adamant "No I do not want to meet you", from his birth mother.

When I asked an adopted niece about this post of Jill's, she said she gets it. She said there comes a time for some adoptees when they feel no need to protect the adoptive parent. She explained the feelings aren't necessarily mean, or resentful, just more like "I have feelings and questions about my birth and I matter too." She also mentioned that feeling like a secret, brings with it some shame. She actually has no problem with Jill's post. She said any relatives will either embrace her or not, and added "Adoption is not a sin, what would they have to feel embarrassed or private about?".

I'm 90-year-old woman who long ago had an affair with my boss, somewhat willingly, somewhat unwillingly, in the frigging 1950s, when a lot of men felt quite entitled to push themselves on women in the workplace. I went away and carried the child to term, then gave her up for adoption to a family who badly wanted a child. The shame I actually felt for decades after, and the guilt and shunning that would have been put upon me had people known what I had done, are both tremendous. How's that for a scenario where the birth mother should not be publicly outed or even forced to meet the child that came from this bitter event? That line about "adoption not being a sin" is fucking ridiculous in this context. It's not the damned adoption the person could be shamed for, it's what she did to need to have the adoption -- in the 1950s! -- which were nothing like today in that regard.

I don't give a crap about adoptees' burning questions if they don't have the decency to understand that they should conduct such a search -- if they must conduct it -- quietly and not in public and that getting answers about family history, medical history and so on does not require meeting the birth mother. No reason at all to force a 90-year-old into the public spotlight, and any adoptee who thinks that there is is a person who thinks that only he or she matters and that the very real sufferings and struggles of someone who's now a frail elder don't matter a bit, in my opinion.

Edited June 4, 2016 by Churchhoney

[Churchhoney]

4 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

Makes me wonder what's going on with the Dullards. Joy Anna was also in CA.  Jessa and Bin had just gotten back when His Boobship paid a visit. Some possible scenarios:

1. Muffy and Dillweed are in difficulties.
2. Muffy is lonely/isolated/overwhelmed.
3. Muffy needs that Duggar Kool Aid.
4. Boob is hoping one of his minions will drop a dime on some unseemly behavior.
5.  Boob's need for control extends across international boundaries; he wants the missioncation to fail so he can use it as a cautionary tale, lest any of his spawn gets any lofty ideas bout escapin'.

Boob.fancies himself as the capo of a Fundie Mafia family.  The Boobfather!

Or Season 2 is going to focus on Jill, since Season 1 focused so much on Jessa? This could all be about filming, couldn't it, since so much of their life is?

[cmr2014]

47 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

I'm 90-year-old woman who long ago had an affair with my boss, somewhat willingly, somewhat unwillingly, in the frigging 1950s, when a lot of men felt quite entitled to push themselves on women in the workplace. I went away and carried the child to term, then gave her up for adoption to a family who badly wanted a child. The shame I actually felt for decades after, and the guilt and shunning that would have been put upon me had people known what I had done, are both tremendous. How's that for a scenario where the birth mother should not be publicly outed or even forced to meet the child that came from this bitter event? That line about "adoption not being a sin" is fucking ridiculous in this context. It's not the damned adoption the person could be shamed for, it's what she did to need to have the adoption -- in the 1950s! -- which were nothing like today in that regard.

I don't give a crap about adoptees' burning questions if they don't have the decency to understand that they should conduct such a search -- if they must conduct it -- quietly and not in public and that getting answers about family history, medical history and so on does not require meeting the birth mother. No reason at all to force a 90-year-old into the public spotlight, and any adoptee who thinks that there is is a person who thinks that only he or she matters and that the very real sufferings and struggles of someone who's now a frail elder don't matter a bit, in my opinion.

Thanks ChurchHoney. This is my feeling, too.

There are message boards that connect adoptees and biological parents that want to find each other. 

I'm sure that adoptees have questions, but the reality is that we don't always get what we want in life. Cathy Bynum is certainly old enough to know that (and so are Jill and Derick).

[Arwen Evenstar]

Obviously, they know the name of the birth mother. We shouldn't know who she is unless she or her surviving family members have given their permission 

No doubt these revelations may hurt other family members or other parties who may still be alive. Learning that one is related to a Duggar (even by marriage) would make most people head for the hills.

[bigskygirl]

To be honest about it, I do not think Jill and Derick have the common sense God gave a goose (sorry for insulting geese.)

[Sew Sumi]

2 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

I'm 90-year-old woman who long ago had an affair with my boss, somewhat willingly, somewhat unwillingly, in the frigging 1950s, when a lot of men felt quite entitled to push themselves on women in the workplace. I went away and carried the child to term, then gave her up for adoption to a family who badly wanted a child. The shame I actually felt for decades after, and the guilt and shunning that would have been put upon me had people known what I had done, are both tremendous. How's that for a scenario where the birth mother should not be publicly outed or even forced to meet the child that came from this bitter event? That line about "adoption not being a sin" is fucking ridiculous in this context. It's not the damned adoption the person could be shamed for, it's what she did to need to have the adoption -- in the 1950s! -- which were nothing like today in that regard.

I don't give a crap about adoptees' burning questions if they don't have the decency to understand that they should conduct such a search -- if they must conduct it -- quietly and not in public and that getting answers about family history, medical history and so on does not require meeting the birth mother. No reason at all to force a 90-year-old into the public spotlight, and any adoptee who thinks that there is is a person who thinks that only he or she matters and that the very real sufferings and struggles of someone who's now a frail elder don't matter a bit, in my opinion.

This is pretty much my situation,.although it played out on the 60's. My birth mother was also younger than Joyce when she had me, so she could have easily gone on to marry and have other kids, putting the probably negative memories regarding my birth deeply away so she wouldn't go crazy with guilt. I didn't want to be a home wrecker, especially now when she is approaching 80.

[Muffyn]

What bothers me about the search for Cathy’s birth mother is the way it was conducted.  My niece found my sister through a search site. My sister wasn’t actively looking for her daughter, but a friend of hers who knew the story of her daughter’s birth and how she had lost contact (it’s very ugly) saw a listing for first name who lived in tiny town, state had a baby girl on date . . . your daughter would like to contact you.  This left the decision up to the people involved and was seen by people interested.  Dill put Cathy’s birth mom’s information out to her rabid followers.  That reveals her and her family to the  crazies.  Since they had her name and DOB, they could have looked for her in other ways.

[kokapetl]

The Dillards have always seemed to be a little thoughtless and careless with their private details of their lives. Derick wants to marry a Duggar off the rack bride and start an Instant family with her? Sounds fine! No need to get to know her beyond Skyping! No need to get to know her at all really! And we're totally okay with cameras filming every scant minute of contact the engaged couple spend together!

[bigskygirl]

Imo, I do not think Derick wanting a kid so quickly. Of course, most people with half a brain know having sex with no birth control can lead pregnancy. Derick should have known Jill was not prepared to leave the country and her family because she is attached to them like ticks on a hound dog during a long, hot summer day.

[Arwen Evenstar]

Not to mention ripe for identity theft or other ways to assume an identity to start a life over.

 I'm sure since the Duggars and ilk are all notorious cheapskates, blathering private info is cheaper than hiring a detective or a subscription to Ancestry.

[ms.o]

Jesus Christ on a cracker. Turns out Cathy already met her mom over 20 years ago and it went horrid. What the actual hell

 

http://www.inquisitr.com/3168470/jill-duggar-searches-for-mother-in-laws-birth-mom-but-cathy-dillard-already-found-her-and-knows-she-wanted-an-abortion/

[Missy Vixen]

9 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

 

Boob.fancies himself as the capo of a Fundie Mafia family.  The Boobfather!

1. There's no Precious Blessing #2 yet. Without a Precious Blessing, there's no show. 

Boob is interested in one thing: Money. If he actually gave a shit about his daughters, he would have married them off to functional (and gainfully employed) adults.

[Missy Vixen]

13 minutes ago, ms.o said:

Jesus Christ on a cracker. Turns out Cathy already met her mom over 20 years ago and it went horrid. What the actual hell

 

http://www.inquisitr.com/3168470/jill-duggar-searches-for-mother-in-laws-birth-mom-but-cathy-dillard-already-found-her-and-knows-she-wanted-an-abortion/

At the risk of upsetting other posters, if this is true, Jilly Muffin, you're a real bitch. And the only possible explanation for your "search" is the fact you're trying to get your mug on another reality show, aren't you? Bonus points for using your 1 year old, too.

Just throwing this one out here: My husband tried to contact his real father once upon a time, too. It didn't go well. And it is still a painful subject.

[riverblue22]

Jilly really made a mess of that!  Poor Cathy!

[bigskygirl]

I guess nothing is sacred with these people. Why would Jill ask to find her mother-in-law's birth mother when Cathy already met her before. Seriously...Really...Are they that hard up to be in the spotlight? Look what you married into Derick. And speaking of Derick, why would he just sit by and let this happen. Grow a pair for crying out loud and stand up to your wife and in-laws. And using your one year old son to hide behind when pulling this crap. Geez Louise!!!

[GeeGolly]

6 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

I'm 90-year-old woman who long ago had an affair with my boss, somewhat willingly, somewhat unwillingly, in the frigging 1950s, when a lot of men felt quite entitled to push themselves on women in the workplace. I went away and carried the child to term, then gave her up for adoption to a family who badly wanted a child. The shame I actually felt for decades after, and the guilt and shunning that would have been put upon me had people known what I had done, are both tremendous. How's that for a scenario where the birth mother should not be publicly outed or even forced to meet the child that came from this bitter event? That line about "adoption not being a sin" is fucking ridiculous in this context. It's not the damned adoption the person could be shamed for, it's what she did to need to have the adoption -- in the 1950s! -- which were nothing like today in that regard.

I don't give a crap about adoptees' burning questions if they don't have the decency to understand that they should conduct such a search -- if they must conduct it -- quietly and not in public and that getting answers about family history, medical history and so on does not require meeting the birth mother. No reason at all to force a 90-year-old into the public spotlight, and any adoptee who thinks that there is is a person who thinks that only he or she matters and that the very real sufferings and struggles of someone who's now a frail elder don't matter a bit, in my opinion.

All very, very true. What may not clear in my post is that my niece was speaking of Cathy's mother's relatives, not Cathy's mother. My niece assumes, in this situation, as well as I do, that Cathy's mom has passed away, or at the very least is not spending a lot of time accessing twitter. 

However, I do agree with my niece's statement that "adoption is not a sin" in any context.

Edited June 5, 2016 by GeeGolly

[JoanArc]

So much for the "it's Cathy's idea!" Theorists. 

Jill, just stop now. Your fame is ebbing away. Let it.

[Sew Sumi]

1 hour ago, ms.o said:

Jesus Christ on a cracker. Turns out Cathy already met her mom over 20 years ago and it went horrid. What the actual hell

 

http://www.inquisitr.com/3168470/jill-duggar-searches-for-mother-in-laws-birth-mom-but-cathy-dillard-already-found-her-and-knows-she-wanted-an-abortion/

I read the grave as 1982, but Cathy would have only been 23 then. That's what I get for reading on my phone. 

I'm sure Cathy has related this story to Derick, Dan, and Jill. Did they really think that the woman, now being 90, would have had a change of heart? Or did Cathy think she could guilt an old woman into regret she didn't feel 30 years ago? 

With basic search tools, they could have quietly found out that she passed away over 20 years ago and saved themselves this latest humiliation.

[Absolom]

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With basic search tools, they could have quietly found out that she passed away over 20 years ago and saved themselves this latest humiliation.

For sure or even simpler, Jill could have just minded her own business.

[bigskygirl]

Jill probably thought the birth mother's family would want to meet the Duggars because the Duggars are so totally, blissful, wonderful. awesome people to know. I mean, come on now, who would pass up the chance to admit they are related to Jill Duggar by birth. Cathy's birth mother was a heathen because she thought of abortion and gave up her daughter. Maybe Derick, Jill, and the rest of the Duggar clan can save the rest of Cathy's biological family from a quick trip to you know where when they pass on. *heavy sarcasm inserted here*

[BitterApple]

What the actual fuck?!!

It's now a thousand times worse to find out that Cathy likely had no part in this. My God, is Jill really that stupid? Wait, rhetorical question guys, no need to answer. 

This whole thing makes no sense. Assuming Derick knew about the birth mother's rejection, why give Jill the information to blast on Twitter? She had to have gotten it from somewhere. Given that the bio mom was so adamant about wanting nothing to do with her, I wonder if Cathy was the product of rape. If it was simply a matter of a love affair gone wrong, you'd think the mother would've mellowed with age and been more amenable to offering an explanation; even if she didn't want to establish a relationship. Now my curiosity is piqued and I feel like an asshole for speculating. I blame the Duggars.

[Sew Sumi]

I find it deliciously ironic that Jill is getting blasted on Lily and Ellie's blog. And of course, they were idiots to play into this charade. 

Unless this was all scripted for TLC's show Lost Family. But to even do that Cathy would have to try and  erase her tracks. It's times like this when I love that the interwebz are forever.

[Arwen Evenstar]

Bitter Apple, you might be right. The circumstances of Miss Cathy's conception could have been too upsetting to the birth mother. Scenarios like rape and incest were just as real back then as they are today, but shame forced more people into silence and the perps were seldom punished.

[cmr2014]

From what I read on Cathy's Twitter, her mother didn't want to meet her. There may be more to the story, but I think that people are reading things into the story that aren't there. I didn't see anything about her bio mother "wanting an abortion."

Either Jill wasn't paying attention (a strong possibility), or there is something missing from this story. How did Jill get this extremely personal information about this woman, and not get the information that she died  years ago? Did she think that even though bio mother didn't want to meet Cathy, she'd be open to meeting Izzy because he's a special Duggar snowflake?

[Arwen Evenstar]

Baby crazy Duggars and Muffy can't understand any woman wanting an abortion  in the case of rape or incest or marital abuse or life threatening medical condition.

[Micks Picks]

Oh so Cathy is seeking cousins and all via Jill?  Ok Cathy, I'll be your second cousin once removed.  Happy now?  Tell Jill.  And tell her I don't want to see her or Izzy, he has plenty of relatives.  Bug off and leave me alone, Duggars and Dillards.  Bite me.  And all the other cousins feel the same.

[Sew Sumi]

48 minutes ago, cmr2014 said:

From what I read on Cathy's Twitter, her mother didn't want to meet her. There may be more to the story, but I think that people are reading things into the story that aren't there. I didn't see anything about her bio mother "wanting an abortion."

Either Jill wasn't paying attention (a strong possibility), or there is something missing from this story. How did Jill get this extremely personal information about this woman, and not get the information that she died  years ago? Did she think that even though bio mother didn't want to meet Cathy, she'd be open to meeting Izzy because he's a special Duggar snowflake?

See Cathy 's tweets in the Inquisitr article. She clearly states that if abortion had been legal, she and her sons (tweet was Pre-izzy) wouldn't be here. The message is pretty clear. She may well just being projecting based on the rejection, but she said it nonetheless.

[GeeGolly]

4 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

See Cathy 's tweets in the Inquisitr article. She clearly states that if abortion had been legal, she and her sons (tweet was Pre-izzy) wouldn't be here. The message is pretty clear. She may well just being projecting based on the rejection, but she said it nonetheless.

I agree. I read the tweets about Cathy's mother not wanting to meet her too. I noticed that Cathy never actually stated that her bio mom said that she would have aborted her even when a tweet asked that direct question. Maybe she did, or maybe Cathy assumed she would have if given the option. The tweets almost felt more like a pro-life statement than a personal adoption statement to me.

The whole thing is so curious now. If Jill knew that Cathy was rejected by her mom, did she really think that a great-grandchild would change this woman's mind? 

[GeeGolly]

I also wanted to mention that my FB feed periodically has adult adoptees sharing personal info surrounding their births and asking for info. They are no one that I know, just one of those posts that is shared, and then shared some more, and gets shared again from someone I'm FB friends with. None of them are famous, at least that have ended up on my feed, but right or wrong, Jill isn't the first person to do this.

[graefin]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

I also wanted to mention that my FB feed periodically has adult adoptees sharing personal info surrounding their births and asking for info. They are no one that I know, just one of those posts that is shared, and then shared some more, and gets shared again from someone I'm FB friends with. None of them are famous, at least that have ended up on my feed, but right or wrong, Jill isn't the first person to do this.

The difference here would be that the request did not originate from the adoptee herself.

Why are people so surprised that Jill would do this? The Duggar kids are the epitome of:

1) uneducated;

2) unsocialized;

3) warped by growing up in a reality-TV bubble.

They have only started to leave the household (and even that to a limited degree), so we're only starting to see the effects of the above.

Edited June 5, 2016 by graefin

[Churchhoney]

14 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

To be honest about it, I do not think Jill and Derick have the common sense God gave a goose (sorry for insulting geese.)

When you're in so tight with God, who needs common sense, I guess.

Seriously, I have no trouble at all with adoptees seeking their birth families. Of course you want to know a bunch of things. But to broadcast an old lady's name and birthday to the entire Internet. Hard to imagine anybody else dumb and thoughtless enough to do such a thing. (although I still kind of think that Cathy can be blamed, at least partly, for its being done. Even seems likely to me that she authorized Jill to do it because she knew that a social-media announcement from Jill would get much more attention than one she sent out. Since the stuff that was said about abortion earlier on never actually said that the woman told her she would have gotten abortion, to me it very much reads like a rabid right-to-lifer's assumption about things. I expect that Cathy, who is at least now a super-Christian of pretty much the same ilk as Derick and the Duggs, as far as I can tell, is still grumbling and bitching about this, especially in context of -- I could have been aborted! -- and, either tacitly or no, gave a go-ahead to Jill to start blabbing about it.  I hope I'm wrong about that, though ....Because she is really old enough to know better. And wasn't raised by Jim Bob and MEEEEchelle. But if she said anything at all that suggested it was okay, Jill would have run with it -- both for Jesus and, of course, to be part of her new Season 2 adoption story line. .... And they're all , Cathy included, linking this woman to the evil abortionists, even though I see no evidence at all that she ever said she would have aborted, just because some sort of pain or other -- of which Cathy likely has no knowledge -- made her not want to meet her former baby. Plenty of people had illegal abortions in those days, so if she had really wanted to abort -- especially as a 30-something woman -- she certainly could have done so. I had some elderly relatives who had illegal abortions in the 20s and 30s.)

I definitely now have earned their favorite title of "hater." Because I hate all these people now.

Edited June 5, 2016 by Churchhoney

[Churchhoney]

I guess one has to assume that once people have accepted the idea that everything in their lives is a good thing to put on television then nobody else should mind having their lives spilled all over television too. .... Although it's damned hypocritical for the Duggs and the Dugg-adjacent to feel that way, considering all the stuff that they themselves conceal. Like GOTHARD (and, of course, intra-family child molestation)

Edited June 5, 2016 by Churchhoney

[louannems]

I am still confused!  Jill and Cathy had no idea the bio mom had died?  How did they find out?  And when?

[Marigold]

I'm completely confused too

Cathy contacted her birth mother and her birth mother did not want contact.

WHY IS JILL LOOKING FOR HER THEN???????

And good point in that article.  If jilll handles an adoption situation so horribly and without basic common sense and sensitivity, she is the WRONG person to adopt anything. She really is a jerk. i think i hate her now. 

[BitterApple]

29 minutes ago, louannems said:

I am still confused!  Jill and Cathy had no idea the bio mom had died?  How did they find out?  And when?

I'm completely lost as well. If Cathy didn't know she'd died, a quick records search could've given her that information. Why dredge all this up now? Were they hoping to shame Ms. Perry and her family to further their pro-life agenda? Was this stunt producer-driven because JJCO is a boring shitfest in desperate need of a juicy storyline? 

One thing I do know is it's incredibly messed up for Jill and Co. to hide behind baby Izzy. As if a one year-old really gives a crap about meeting a great grandmother he doesn't even know exists.