S06.E21: Reunion Part 1

[WireWrap]

Question:  Do those of you who don't like/can't stand/hate Faye because of the book or because of some other reason?

 

I admit I do like her.  I liked the book.  Yeah, some things would have been better kept out but that book let me get to know Nicole Brown, a woman who was brutally killed by her ex husband.  An ex husband who happened to be OJ Simpson.  Nicole wasn't perfect.  Who is?  Faye made Nicole 'real', not just a horrific picture of a dead person.

 

Yeah, Faye had all sorts of problems when she wrote that book.  And yes, Faye capitalized on the success of the book.  And maybe the publishers also put pressure on her to make the book as 'juicy' as possible.  In the end, she didn't kill someone. She didn't commit a crime.  So, what should her sentence be for 'the book'?  It's been twenty years and I have no idea of anything she has done since then that deserves the vitriol she still gets.

My dislike of Faye has nothing to do with the book, I do think people can make mistakes (even ones like her book) and redeem themselves given time. It is her arrogance. She comes across as an ice cube, no warmth, not even to Kyle, she just doesn't give more than the "resting B face" most of the time. Maybe if she had smiled more, laughed more, cut loose more on camera I could like her but as of now, no.

 

ETA, My dislike doesn't mean that I am opposed to her being on the show as a FOH or even a full HW.

Edited April 24, 2016 by WireWrap

[breezy424]

My dislike of Faye has nothing to do with the book, I do think people can make mistakes (even ones like her book) and redeem themselves given time. It is her arrogance. She comes across as an ice cube, no warmth, not even to Kyle, she just doesn't give more than the "resting B face" most of the time. Maybe if she had smiled more, laughed more, cut loose more on camera I could like her but as of now, no.

 

ETA, My dislike doesn't mean that I am opposed to her being on the show as a FOH or even a full HW.

With some, like Brandi, I can see it as being arrogance.  And who could blame her.  With most others, I think she's very guarded.  We don't get to see her in a totally comfortable position that often.  I think it's telling that Camille, who gave Faye her immortal name, now says she likes Faye.  I wouldn't mind seeing Faye more often on the show.  She is an interesting fit with these women - a woman with a well known scandalous background, an apparently successful business, seems to be on her toes when confronted and maintains her cool in heated moments.

 

Oh, I know so many will disagree..... 

[HumblePi]

Question:  Do those of you who don't like/can't stand/hate Faye because of the book or because of some other reason?

 

I admit I do like her.  I liked the book.  Yeah, some things would have been better kept out but that book let me get to know Nicole Brown, a woman who was brutally killed by her ex husband.  An ex husband who happened to be OJ Simpson.  Nicole wasn't perfect.  Who is?  Faye made Nicole 'real', not just a horrific picture of a dead person.

 

Yeah, Faye had all sorts of problems when she wrote that book.  And yes, Faye capitalized on the success of the book.  And maybe the publishers also put pressure on her to make the book as 'juicy' as possible.  In the end, she didn't kill someone. She didn't commit a crime.  So, what should her sentence be for 'the book'?  It's been twenty years and I have no idea of anything she has done since then that deserves the vitriol she still gets.

Her nostrils.  Just sayin'

[lunastartron]

With some, like Brandi, I can see it as being arrogance.  And who could blame her.  With most others, I think she's very guarded.  We don't get to see her in a totally comfortable position that often.  I think it's telling that Camille, who gave Faye her immortal name, now says she likes Faye.  I wouldn't mind seeing Faye more often on the show.  She is an interesting fit with these women - a woman with a well known scandalous background, an apparently successful business, seems to be on her toes when confronted and maintains her cool in heated moments.

 

Oh, I know so many will disagree..... 

 

Camille also now exclaims "I missed you, too!" to Taylor on camera and giggles with the former Mrs. Armstrong on dual WWHL appearances. You know, the woman who tried to neuter any antagonism from co-stars by campaigning as a domestic violence victim off-screen; targeted Camille specifically for a multi-million dollar lawsuit; and accused Camille of imperiling Kennedy's life on national television.

 

My point being that Mrs. Grammer is political to the point of being an anodyne automaton in certain respects since she graduated from the show. Doesn't mean she wasn't spot on with respect to particular instincts that she vocalized back in the day.

 

Other aspects of Faye that I dislike (I think the book was horrifying and don't find the "it's not as if she murdered anyone" argument persuasive; Brandi, Kim, Yolanda, and other women across the franchise who have elicited public opprobrium haven't beheaded anyone - of whom we know - but they've all engaged in varying degrees of malicious antics on national television with the autonomy of "grown-ass women"):

 

she continues to exploit Nicole as a shield. Kathryn's ire was never about the salacious anecdotes that Faye spilled about her deceased BFF; it was about the sordid speculation on Kathryn's marriage. But Faye, of course, wasn't ready to "talk/have a conversation about Nicole."

 

The premise that she is not a voluntary participant and performer in this three-ring circus. Perhaps more a critique of Kyle's disingenuousness on the issue but tangentially relevant.

 

I would, however, be intrigued to learn more about her personal life; her dynamic with her current husband; and see more of her clothes provided they are consistent with her season 3 aesthetic of seafoam lace and the number she wore to the opening of Kyle's boutique.

Edited April 24, 2016 by lunastartron

[WireWrap]

With some, like Brandi, I can see it as being arrogance.  And who could blame her.  With most others, I think she's very guarded.  We don't get to see her in a totally comfortable position that often.  I think it's telling that Camille, who gave Faye her immortal name, now says she likes Faye.  I wouldn't mind seeing Faye more often on the show.  She is an interesting fit with these women - a woman with a well known scandalous background, an apparently successful business, seems to be on her toes when confronted and maintains her cool in heated moments.

 

Oh, I know so many will disagree..... 

I could understand her being guarded with everyone except for Kyle and Adrienne but I still saw an arrogant/cold personality. I never saw her eyes light up in laughter or joy even with Kyle and that is odd given how close the 2 are IRL. I am not unwilling to give her a chance but she needs to bring some warmth and a sense of humor to the show but I am not sure she can or even would given how badly she has been received by viewers so far. I hate how she was treated on social media/twitter even though I do not care for her. I don't like seeing any of the HWs or FOHs getting threats or hounded by any viewer. If you don't like a HW, then don't follow them, if you like a HW, follow them and tweet your support to them.

[becauseIsaidso]

During the days of the OJ trial I was finishing college, holding down a job, running a household and totally obsessed with maintaining my GPA. Consequently I pretty much lived under a rock as far as exposure to anything media oriented that wouldn't give me the brief, enjoyable breaks I permitted myself from my self-imposed workload. I would have avoided viewing that trial in any event as I spent my childhood and adolescence during the years when, in many instances, rich and popular men always seemed to get a pass no matter how much they brutalized women.  Just as I had never heard of either of the bitchard sisters before watching this show, I had also not heard of pitbull resnick, nor seen her Playboy spread, nor read her book - my continued dislike of her stems solely from the behavior she displayed on RHOBH. Since that season, I have avoided any segment she is a part of, and therefore have no idea if she has ever genuinely acknowledged any fault in her own behavior, but I tend to think not.. Every time her face appears I flash back to her cackling THs and the smug nastiness of her behavior to others in that first season of her appearances - can't even remember who her primary target was, she just seemed to seek out whomever kyle was pissed off at and go into full attack mode.

 

I can't fathom why anyone who dislikes her as much as I do would want to waste any of their time following/tweeting her. Imo, even this post gives her more attention than it's worth, I only wrote it to add my two cents about the origins of my own personal dislike of resnick.

[ElDosEquis]

 

Grow the fuck up.  "She MADE me do it!" didn't work as an excuse in 2nd grade.

Hitting puberty and being married?

 

I'd find that to be an adequate excuse and people should respect it.

[zoeysmom]

As the make the circle during the Reunion I am curious if Andy is going to address the fact that all the women commented on Kyle being somewhat off for having a friendship with LVP?  I believe Erika called it a leveraged friendship, Eileen called it tragic, Rinna disapproved and called it "fucked up", Yolanda has said Kyle is up LVP's ass, Kathryn disparaged it, it seems only Kim is accepting of the friendship.  I think it is far more relevant than say the OJ Simpson trial, that Kathryn had nothing to do with, although I think Ronnie K. had the motive correct when he said they might as well have had a bus with a banner in front of Kyle's house advertising the Fox mini-series.

[nowcheckthat]

Faye to me is just a great villain on the show. That is, she was during season 3. Any other time I have found her pleasant enough. I don't hate her though. I would like to believe that she is not the same woman she was during the era of the book or whatever, but I look at her like I look at Kenya Moore, Brandi Glanville or Bethenny Frankel - a woman that pisses me off but I still want her on the show. I wouldn't be mad if she was made a HW next season.

[Wings]

Hey, Juneau!  Just think, only 3 more days of redundant posting until episode 2!!  Whoot!  

[BlackMamba]

The heavy green eye glitter did not go well with her "let's have margaritas in the backyard!" dress.

I almost get the vibe Kyle doesn't care much. From the oversized daily dresses to her reunion looks (with the exception of last year). Maybe fashion has never been her top priority, which in a way is refreshing and annoying at the same time.

[jaync]

Had she been disgusted by what Brandi did, told her she was a disgusting soul sucking person who was wrong to do what she did, that there was no excuse for it, and ended their relationship, people would have looked at the situation differently. Had LVP gone to Adrienne and told her she was heartbroken for her, that she had been wronged and had every right to feel however she wanted to feel, and that LVP understood and supported her, many people would have done the same thing. It's not like we needed for LVP to tell us it was wrong, horrendous, deplorable behavior. We all knew that it was. Everyone knew that it was wrong the entire time.

​That's a whole lot of presumption as to what and how others think and feel. (Personally, I don't think what Brandi did was horrendous and deplorable - but if LVP proclaimed I was wrong in my belief, I could then be a part of "everyone"?)

 

She can literally help to decide how folks view and feel about certain things by stating her own opinion on them.

Are the candidates for POTUS aware of this?

 

It may not be meant as insulting but it certainly is.

Or at the least, insolent in the attempt to define viewer perspective.

 

Since Faye has not written any more books in the last 20 years about her friends, anyone think it might have be a phase she was going through?

I can't see it as anything other than a direct reflection of character, something of which is usually well established by the time one has reached their late thirties. The death threats are certainly uncalled for, but I'm not going to drop a tear because Resnick faces scrutiny whenever she chooses to put herself in the public eye. Kyle can cry more, as far as I'm concerned.

Edited April 24, 2016 by jaync

[zoeysmom]

With some, like Brandi, I can see it as being arrogance.  And who could blame her.  With most others, I think she's very guarded.  We don't get to see her in a totally comfortable position that often.  I think it's telling that Camille, who gave Faye her immortal name, now says she likes Faye.  I wouldn't mind seeing Faye more often on the show.  She is an interesting fit with these women - a woman with a well known scandalous background, an apparently successful business, seems to be on her toes when confronted and maintains her cool in heated moments.

 

Oh, I know so many will disagree..... 

Maybe to save her sobriety Faye is just a much calmer person nd comes off too icy.  I think what people disliked the most about Faye is she is correct in most situations.  She called Camille and Allison out for the claim the did not discuss Kyle, she called Brandi out for outing the surrogacy as part of her take down of Adrienne (as viewers we had no idea how really big Brandi had overstepped), LVP claiming repeatedly that Faye was just showing up (this has also been dispelled Faye was on the production schedule and being paid), Faye making the observation that she believed LVP worked Brandi up (something Brandi would later claim) and most of the cast except Katherine and Kyle are asserting this season.  I think Faye does her agonizing and crying in private but I think she feels the hate.

 

The other thing is during Season 1, there wasn't a whole lot of discussion about being published nude.  So Camille of soft porn, throwing down the gauntlet so to speak about appearing in Playboy, was just another thing Faye could use to highlight Camille's hypocrisy.    So you have nude posing Faye who wrote a book (zzzz. . .) essentially going up against the very popular LVP and standing up for Adrienne and Kyle, both of whom did very little wrong to incur LVP's wrath (relatively speaking to Brandi, Kim, Eileen, Erika, Yolanda, Rinna).

 

This is going a bit off course.  I am remembering LVP and maybe Brandi, quizzing Camille, in Las Vegas, about her soft porn stuff and something about the guy wears a sock.  I only remember this because it seems LVP has an inordinate interest in "love" scenes and  how they are made.

[BlackMamba]

I think it sounds like they are given something to wear. The dress Eileen is wearing both Kyle and Brandi have worn it before. Kyle at the Season 4 finale and Brandi the following season. Maybe Vanderpump doesn't like the clothes they expect her to wear.

Yeah I believe Bravo provides the HWs specific wardrobes they can wear. Taylor and Johanna (Miami) wore a similar dress before.

[BlackMamba]

Part of Kyle's blind devotion to Faye may be attributed to the possibility of Faye knowing Kyle's deepest secrets. Everyone knows how low Fate is willing to go. Maybe Kyle fears a book from Faye starring Kyle and family.

And I'm sure she has tons of stories to tell.

[WireWrap]

LVP claiming repeatedly that Faye was just showing up (this has also been dispelled Faye was on the production schedule and being paid),

 

You mean like how upset Kyle was last season when Kim "brought" Brandi to Kyle's mixer meetup, as Brandi was a paid HW and production arranged for Brandi/friend to attend said mixer? LOL Kyle did the same thing LisaV did, cry foul that someone showed up to "their" party and had a go at them. Maybe had Faye/Brandi not gone after the hostess, LisaV/Kyle, it would not have mattered to either woman (L/K).

[BlackMamba]

There are a bunch of folks on Twitter urging Eileen to stop, that she is committing career suicide.

This is why I said in the other thread, for her career sake, she needs to leave the show. People are seeing a side of her they didn't want to see especially with some of her loyal soap fans.

If Eileen comes back next season, I can see a redemption arch that starts with how emotionally hard this season was on her and her family because of DVP death and then her brothers(?) death a short time later and that she over "sensitive" because of that. I can see LisaV forgiving her and making a more humble/sincere apology to Eileen, them air kissing/hugging and making up. Now, if that happens and Rinna is also back, where will that leave Rinna....in or out? LOL

Crazy thing is Eileen and LVP were following each other in S5 and no more, so things must be quite bad between them. LVP replaces Eileen with Kathryn on her following list on Twitter and she still follows Rinna. Plus sometime during the filming last year for S6 LVP and Ken visited Eileen, Vincent and their kids for dinner. If I find the tweet I'll post. Edited April 24, 2016 by BlackMamba

[WireWrap]

This is why I said in the other thread, for her career sake, she needs to leave the show. People are seeing a side of her they didn't want to see especially with some of her loyal soap fans.

Crazy thing is Eileen and LVP were following each other in S5 and no more, so things must be quite bad between them. LVP replaces Eileen with Kathryn on her following list on Twitter and she still follows Rinna. Plus sometime during the filming last year for S6 LVP and Ken visited Eileen, Vincent and their kids for dinner. If I find the tweet I'll post.

Eileen has gone off the deep end this season and each of their, Lisa/Eileen, fans are making things worse on twitter. Like this guy,  http://www.allaboutthetea.com/2016/04/24/lisa-vanderpumps-beloved-pup-giggy-attacked-on-twitter/, although Eileen did not retweet it, she follows this kind of sickie which I find really questionable. Having fans stick up for/support you is one thing but following this sick/twisted piece of crap is wrong, just plain wrong. Harry must have said something to Rinna because she has dialed back the crazy on twitter since he had to publicly correct something she said at the reunion.

[Rainny]

Question:  Do those of you who don't like/can't stand/hate Faye because of the book or because of some other reason?

 

I admit I do like her.  I liked the book.  Yeah, some things would have been better kept out but that book let me get to know Nicole Brown, a woman who was brutally killed by her ex husband.  An ex husband who happened to be OJ Simpson.  Nicole wasn't perfect.  Who is?  Faye made Nicole 'real', not just a horrific picture of a dead person.

 

Yeah, Faye had all sorts of problems when she wrote that book.  And yes, Faye capitalized on the success of the book.  And maybe the publishers also put pressure on her to make the book as 'juicy' as possible.  In the end, she didn't kill someone. She didn't commit a crime.  So, what should her sentence be for 'the book'?  It's been twenty years and I have no idea of anything she has done since then that deserves the vitriol she still gets.

 

I lived in Southern California at the time all that was going on.  I was a young wife and mother of 3 boys working full time and I couldn't have cared less about any of it. I didn't watch any of the trial or read the book, so my dislike of Faye has nothing to do with that or her book which I didn't read. She just comes off so snobby, I'm not really sure of the word to use, maybe haughty, or cold, or just plain stuck up. It just rubs me the wrong way, something about her. Maybe if she was a regular housewife she would loosen up and maybe be a more warm and caring person, I don't know. But as it stands now, i just don't care for her. 

My dislike of Faye has nothing to do with the book, I do think people can make mistakes (even ones like her book) and redeem themselves given time. It is her arrogance. She comes across as an ice cube, no warmth, not even to Kyle, she just doesn't give more than the "resting B face" most of the time. Maybe if she had smiled more, laughed more, cut loose more on camera I could like her but as of now, no.

 

ETA, My dislike doesn't mean that I am opposed to her being on the show as a FOH or even a full HW.

 

This is what I was trying to say in my post as well. 

[RedheadZombie]

I have issues with LVP and Eileen, unlike most who seem to strongly pick a side.  Maybe that allows me to view the situation differently?  I don't know.  But I am amused that each side has ride or die fans who call the opposite side crazy and fanatical.  In my opinion, there are obsessive fans on both sides, and both Eileen and LVP have embraced and even re-tweeted nasty things from their fans.  Maybe it's the nature of the SM beast.

 

I do think it's a little silly that Eileen is in danger of "ruining" her long-running soap career.  Soaps are on their last legs, and Eileen is a woman in her 50's.   Soaps have been slashing budgets the last decade, and more and more they hire teenagers and twenty-somethings with little to no acting experience.  If her soap career ends it's due to the nature of the business.

 

And if the nasty side of LVP and Ken, and their business practices, haven't damaged their reputation in the restaurant world, I imagine Eileen's acting career will continue as usual.

 

It is interesting, as a viewer, to continue to realize that people are incapable of stepping back from reality shows.  It doesn't matter that you don't need the money, it doesn't matter if your reputation is damaged, it doesn't matter if you lose your family in the process.  They are addictive to be involved with. 

 

**I know people site Dina Manzo as stepping away from the craziness, but I believe she left because she forged her ex-husband's signature to allow her daughter to be on the show.  That's entirely different from leaving the show because you realize it's damaging your family.  I think we later saw how Dina prioritizes her family.

[motorcitymom65]

​That's a whole lot of presumption as to what and how others think and feel. (Personally, I don't think what Brandi did was horrendous and deplorable - but if LVP proclaimed I was wrong in my belief, I could then be a part of "everyone"?)

In my original post I stated that everyone knew it was wrong for Brandi to out Adrienne's surrogacy on national TV. I apologize for including you in that group. I will change it to say that I think that everyone except for you thought it was wrong for Brandi to out Adrienne's surrogacy if you would prefer. This is a show large watched by women. I accept that I could be wrong, but from all that I read at the time, even fans of Brandi's thought she was wrong. I mean, what's next? Would it have been Ok for Brandi to out someone's abortion? Even LVP said after they had their falling out that Brandi had done something horrendous but that she stood by her at the time (and now regretted it). My mind will never be changed that if LVP would have bitch slapped Brandi around, talked about it being the horrible thing that it was, noted that if someone did something like that to Adrienne, they would eventually turn on her (LVP) as well, at the very least Brandi would not have been seen in the same light.

[ryebread]

Erika Girardi's skin could be horrible IRL She has a very good makeup man who understands luminosity, highlights and contour. There has to be no real skin visible IMO.

 

I don't know much about any of these Hos for sure other than this:  there is no way Erika's skin is horrible IRL.  Zero, zip, nada.  Without make-up could she possibly have some discoloration?  Or a random zit?  Possibly.  But she's got good, tight, smooth skin all over her body and no make-up person, no matter how excellent, can achieve that.  She's got good genes, an expensive esthetician and a great MUA. 

Edited April 24, 2016 by ryebread

[BlackMamba]

Eileen has gone off the deep end this season and each of their, Lisa/Eileen, fans are making things worse on twitter. Like this guy, http://www.allaboutthetea.com/2016/04/24/lisa-vanderpumps-beloved-pup-giggy-attacked-on-twitter/, although Eileen did not retweet it, she follows this kind of sickie which I find really questionable. Having fans stick up for/support you is one thing but following this sick/twisted piece of crap is wrong, just plain wrong. Harry must have said something to Rinna because she has dialed back the crazy on twitter since he had to publicly correct something she said at the reunion.

And when you think Jim Marchese was bad, this guy takes the cake.

His Twitter is disgusting. All he's doing is adding more gas to the fire and telling Joyce to suck his cock because he believes she's kissing LVP's ass. Michael should find him and beat his ass for being disrespectful.

If I were a betting person, he's probably trying to get on the show next season especially if Eileen and Lisa return. And Andy loves his troublemakers if they can supply him grease.

Edited April 24, 2016 by BlackMamba

[KFC]

I don't know much about any of these Hos for sure other than this:  there is no way Erika's skin is horrible IRL.  Zero, zip, nada.  Without make-up could she possibly have some discoloration?  Or a random zit?  Possibly.  But she's got good, tight, smooth skin all over her body and no make-up person, no matter how excellent, can achieve that.  She's got good genes, an expensive esthetician and a great MUA. 

 

It also looks like she avoids the sun if at all possible. If she really wanted to use the show to launch a product, she's one of the few whom I'd actually suggest doing a skincare or concealer/foundation line. Yeah, the market's already saturated, but she's a walking advertisement for good skin.

[This2getsold]

I should post this in Do buy thread.  But its important to see it.

 

The show VICE on HBO, did a show on the construction slave labor in Do buy. Its disgusting. there is a Trump golf club being built by the same slave laborers.   

[CTO]

Question:  Do those of you who don't like/can't stand/hate Faye because of the book or because of some other reason?

 

I admit I do like her.  I liked the book.  Yeah, some things would have been better kept out but that book let me get to know Nicole Brown, a woman who was brutally killed by her ex husband.  An ex husband who happened to be OJ Simpson.  Nicole wasn't perfect.  Who is?  Faye made Nicole 'real', not just a horrific picture of a dead person.

 

Yeah, Faye had all sorts of problems when she wrote that book.  And yes, Faye capitalized on the success of the book.  And maybe the publishers also put pressure on her to make the book as 'juicy' as possible.  In the end, she didn't kill someone. She didn't commit a crime.  So, what should her sentence be for 'the book'?  It's been twenty years and I have no idea of anything she has done since then that deserves the vitriol she still gets.

 

Ohhhh for me it's wayyyyy beyond the book. WAY. Which is why Camille referred to Faye as the "morally corrupt Faye Resnick". 

 

I watched that trial. The murder and subsequent trial happened during very significant time in my life so I remember it but not details per se. Faye was one of more than a few characters who actually may have prevented justice in that trial outcome. At the time, she was seen as having ruined the trial or at least damaged it.  That fact, I remember vividly, the talk about it, the effect of how she acted etc. She wasn't the only one who damaged the trial but she was in the top 2 if not the number 1 spot. 

 

Worse than that, at the time, it was speculated that Nicole was murdered by a drug cartel who were actually looking for Faye. The situation was such that Faye was living with Nicole at the time, except, that very day of the murder Faye went into rehab for drug addiction so she was 'away' that night during the murder. So the speculation was if not for Faye living with Nicole, Nicole may be alive today. It was all made worse by the fact that the kids were home with Nicole at the time and sleeping upstairs during the murder.

 

So, yeah, I can't stand her. Never will. Book or no book, it was the interviews while also being a witness during the trial; saying things in tv interviews which she didn't say on the stand or then self correcting and pretending she was so innocent and doing nothing wrong. She has that in common with Kyle - sly use of language to confuse or muddle a situation enough that she gets off entirely free. People know she did wrong, she knows she did wrong, but because nobody can nail it down due to her obfuscation skills she successfully avoids being nailed and held accountable. And that's how and why she's friends with Kyle, in part at least. They have this in common. 

 

Edited for spelling & memory recall.

Edited April 25, 2016 by CTO

[beaker73]

Question: Do those of you who don't like/can't stand/hate Faye because of the book or because of some other reason?

I admit I do like her. I liked the book. Yeah, some things would have been better kept out but that book let me get to know Nicole Brown, a woman who was brutally killed by her ex husband. An ex husband who happened to be OJ Simpson. Nicole wasn't perfect. Who is? Faye made Nicole 'real', not just a horrific picture of a dead person.

Yeah, Faye had all sorts of problems when she wrote that book. And yes, Faye capitalized on the success of the book. And maybe the publishers also put pressure on her to make the book as 'juicy' as possible. In the end, she didn't kill someone. She didn't commit a crime. So, what should her sentence be for 'the book'? It's been twenty years and I have no idea of anything she has done since then that deserves the vitriol she still gets.

For me personally, it's about the book. Here is a woman whose best friend was nearly decapitated by her ex-husband who also butchered an innocent person who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. She decided the best thing for her to do would to be sell out her dead friend by writing a "tell all" book. It was disgusting.

Now I know it was 20+ years ago. I understand that she was an addict and in a bad place. I also know that people can change and deserve second chances. But I just don't see any redeeming qualities in her. Despite getting trashed on social media, she continues to show up on this show. Why? If when confronted by Kathryn at Kyle's (non) BBQ she had just said something like, "it was 20 years ago. I was in a bad place and I dealt with it in my own way. I'm sorry if any thing I wrote upset you", I'd think that maybe she wasn't so bad. But instead she's says, "I'm not going to discuss it. I'm sorry you're upset. Do you feel better now?" She was so shitty and condescending in that moment that I knew that I would never, ever like her.

Edited to remove erroneous info.

Edited April 25, 2016 by beaker73

[Umbelina]

Yes to all of those reasons.

 

Also, I've never ONCE heard or read about Faye ever apologizing to anyone about anything she did back then.  She certainly didn't send Kathryn even a note in all these years.  I would have seen it if she'd publicly explained or apologized, since I went on a reading binge about OJ for the series. 

 

Her so-called "sobriety" and her lectures about it and she knows EVERYTHING and was even a counselor (!) while swigging down margaritas as fast as the blender was slopping them out also bugs me to no end.  Hooked on one drug, hooked on more.  Trading one for another isn't "sobriety."

 

Her conversation with Kathryn could have been somewhat redemptive, but she was the same nasty piece of work she's always been.

[zoeysmom]

Yes to all of those reasons.

 

Also, I've never ONCE heard or read about Faye ever apologizing to anyone about anything she did back then.  She certainly didn't send Kathryn even a note in all these years.  I would have seen it if she'd publicly explained or apologized, since I went on a reading binge about OJ for the series. 

 

Her so-called "sobriety" and her lectures about it and she knows EVERYTHING and was even a counselor (!) while swigging down margaritas as fast as the blender was slopping them out also bugs me to no end.  Hooked on one drug, hooked on more.  Trading one for another isn't "sobriety."

 

Her conversation with Kathryn could have been somewhat redemptive, but she was the same nasty piece of work she's always been.

What is Faye apologizing to Kathryn for?  Kathryn is lying her name and Marcus' names were brought in during the Bronco chase.  She stayed married to Marcus for seven more years and divorced him and married Donnie in the same year.  Twenty two years is a long time to stay angry over being accused of turning a blind eye.  Maybe her husband should not have been banging Nicole, that is the real issue-not Faye, not her book.

[Umbelina]

Her name and character were besmirched in Faye's book, not in OJ's note.

 

Seriously?

 

This was a gift wrapped opportunity for Faye to make amends, and possibly even get a bit of redemption.

 

"I'm so glad we finally met Kathryn.  I want you to know I'm deeply sorry that the things I said in my book were negative about you as a person, and as a wife.  It was a horrible time for me and I wasn't thinking clearly, as I was released early from rehab.  I hope someday that you will be able to forgive me.  I know it may take you some time, and I understand that made you the object of ridicule and gossip.  I'm so very sorry for all of that pain."

 

Then again, that's not who Faye is.  She's a selfish, self serving bitch that cares about herself, and making quick bucks.  As she made perfectly clear, again.

Edited April 25, 2016 by Umbelina

[lunastartron]

^^^ Kathryn did not split and remarry in the same year; she wed Donnie in 2003. She was married to Marcus for eight years and their wedding occurred at Rockingham in 1993, right?

[breezy424]

Camille also now exclaims "I missed you, too!" to Taylor on camera and giggles with the former Mrs. Armstrong on dual WWHL appearances. You know, the woman who tried to neuter any antagonism from co-stars by campaigning as a domestic violence victim off-screen; targeted Camille specifically for a multi-million dollar lawsuit; and accused Camille of imperiling Kennedy's life on national television.

 

My point being that Mrs. Grammer is political to the point of being an anodyne automaton in certain respects since she graduated from the show. Doesn't mean she wasn't spot on with respect to particular instincts that she vocalized back in the day.

 

Other aspects of Faye that I dislike (I think the book was horrifying and don't find the "it's not as if she murdered anyone" argument persuasive; Brandi, Kim, Yolanda, and other women across the franchise who have elicited public opprobrium haven't beheaded anyone - of whom we know - but they've all engaged in varying degrees of malicious antics on national television with the autonomy of "grown-ass women"):

 

she continues to exploit Nicole as a shield. Kathryn's ire was never about the salacious anecdotes that Faye spilled about her deceased BFF; it was about the sordid speculation on Kathryn's marriage. But Faye, of course, wasn't ready to "talk/have a conversation about Nicole."

 

The premise that she is not a voluntary participant and performer in this three-ring circus. Perhaps more a critique of Kyle's disingenuousness on the issue but tangentially relevant.

 

I would, however, be intrigued to learn more about her personal life; her dynamic with her current husband; and see more of her clothes provided they are consistent with her season 3 aesthetic of seafoam lace and the number she wore to the opening of Kyle's boutique.

What Camille did to Taylor was awful.  Yeah it was.  Was that Camille 1.0 or 2.0? I'm elderly and I can't remember.  I think Camille realized this.  Taylor may have been a bit over the top about Kennedy's safety but I do  believe that Taylor was a victim of domestic abuse and Camille eventually realized this.  JMO.

 

I don't think the other housewives can be compared to the vitriol that Faye has gotten.  They are in 'housewives' world.  It's tiny in comparison to the world that Faye has had to deal with - her world is much bigger than national television.  They don't talk about housewives on CNN or the New York Times.  She didn't murder anyone.  What should her sentence be?

 

I never stated she wasn't a voluntary participant.  But, she is a close friend of Kyle Richards.  Should she hide under a rock for the rest of her life?  Production is definitely interested in her.  She's made numerous appearances.  Should she have a life sentence for a book?  She certainly didn't destroy anyone in it.

 

How is she continually exploiting Nicole Brown?  Again, she's been on the show numerous times and correct me if I'm wrong, Nicole's name has never come up and I don't remember the book being specifically mentioned at all.  Maybe at Camille's dinner party?  I don't see exploitation. 

 

Bottom line for me is that I see a sober addict who has straightened her life out but is still being punished for something done 20 years ago that IMO wasn't a horrible crime against humanity.  Heck, I just read a story about a woman who set her newborn child on fire and killed her got 30 years.  Is Faye even in that category? 

 

 

On a different note and unrelated (well, maybe not) - how is LVP able to get away with calling her an orangutan and there's no outcry.  Imagine if someone else said that?

[BlackMamba]

Look whos been talking to the rags about the reunion

https://twitter.com/FauxRealityM/status/724393920382246914

https://twitter.com/FauxRealityM/status/724403867480416256

[breezy424]

I want to thank everyone for their replies to my question about Faye Resnick.  I've read them all and have given thought about all that has been said.   

[zoeysmom]

Her name and character were besmirched in Faye's book, not in OJ's note.

 

Seriously?

 

This was a gift wrapped opportunity for Faye to make amends, and possibly even get a bit of redemption.

 

"I'm so glad we finally met Kathryn.  I want you to know I'm deeply sorry that the things I said in my book were negative about you as a person, and as a wife.  It was a horrible time for me and I wasn't thinking clearly, as I was released early from rehab.  I hope someday that you will be able to forgive me.  I know it may take you some time, and I understand that made you the object of ridicule and gossip.  I'm so very sorry for all of that pain."

 

Then again, that's not who Faye is.  She's a selfish, self serving bitch that cares about herself, and making quick bucks.  As she made perfectly clear, again.

What was negative about Kathryn in the book?  Exactly.  Nothing. Saying someone turns a blind eye is not negative if anything it showed she was being taken advantage of--and the quote was attributed to Kris Jenner-not Faye.  Faye did apologize to the entire table. . . there is zero reason for her to grovel, Kathryn said she was lovely then said she a horrible person. 

[WireWrap]

What Camille did to Taylor was awful.  Yeah it was.  Was that Camille 1.0 or 2.0? I'm elderly and I can't remember.  I think Camille realized this.  Taylor may have been a bit over the top about Kennedy's safety but I do  believe that Taylor was a victim of domestic abuse and Camille eventually realized this.  JMO.

 

I don't think the other housewives can be compared to the vitriol that Faye has gotten.  They are in 'housewives' world.  It's tiny in comparison to the world that Faye has had to deal with - her world is much bigger than national television.  They don't talk about housewives on CNN or the New York Times.  She didn't murder anyone.  What should her sentence be?

 

I never stated she wasn't a voluntary participant.  But, she is a close friend of Kyle Richards.  Should she hide under a rock for the rest of her life?  Production is definitely interested in her.  She's made numerous appearances.  Should she have a life sentence for a book?  She certainly didn't destroy anyone in it.

 

How is she continually exploiting Nicole Brown?  Again, she's been on the show numerous times and correct me if I'm wrong, Nicole's name has never come up and I don't remember the book being specifically mentioned at all.  Maybe at Camille's dinner party?  I don't see exploitation. 

 

Bottom line for me is that I see a sober addict who has straightened her life out but is still being punished for something done 20 years ago that IMO wasn't a horrible crime against humanity.  Heck, I just read a story about a woman who set her newborn child on fire and killed her got 30 years.  Is Faye even in that category? 

 

 

On a different note and unrelated (well, maybe not) - how is LVP able to get away with calling her an orangutan and there's no outcry.  Imagine if someone else said that?

That was the 2.0, new and improved, Camille that did that to Taylor. It was wrong but not as nasty, at least to me, as when Kim/Kyle used Taylor/Kennedy as food for Kim's Taylor "intervention" story/attempt. They, (and production) used Taylor not knowing that Kennedy was at Kyle's house as if Taylor was drunk off her butt and should have known. Kyle had to admit to the truth, which was that Kennedy was not supposed to be at Kyle's house, in her blog and on twitter because Taylor and Kennedy received death threats as a result.

 

Yes, Faye has gotten a lot of hate because of the book and because of how she comes across on the HW show. Yes, she did get death threats and that is why I am confused as to why she came back on this season. She vowed to never return to the show, even as a FO because of it, yet, here she is. Did she do it as a favor to Kyle or because of the OJ movie and thought it might reignite sales of her book?  I think the reason could go either way.

 

As for Lisa calling her an "orangutan"? I think some of us thought/felt Lisa called her that due to Faye's love of spray tans that tend to give her a rather red/orange skin color, not because some say she is bi-racial (something Faye has always denied). Was it rude, probably, racist, doubtful. 

[zoeysmom]

^^^ Kathryn did not split and remarry in the same year; she wed Donnie in 2003. She was married to Marcus for eight years and their wedding occurred at Rockingham in 1993, right?

[WireWrap]

What was negative about Kathryn in the book?  Exactly.  Nothing. Saying someone turns a blind eye is not negative if anything it showed she was being taken advantage of--and the quote was attributed to Kris Jenner-not Faye.  Faye did apologize to the entire table. . . there is zero reason for her to grovel, Kathryn said she was lovely then said she a horrible person. 

 

For me, I don't think she needed to "grovel" but she could have said something less "general", just to Kathryn. No details, no in depth apology, just something a bit more personal directly to Kathryn and not to the whole table because Kathryn was the only one at the table named in her book. This is just another example of how she comes across as ice cold to me and she needs to show some genuine warmth if she is going to keep popping up on the show. But, that is just me and how I see Faye.

[zoeysmom]

 

^^^ Kathryn did not split and remarry in the same year; she wed Donnie in 2003. She was married to Marcus for eight years and their wedding occurred at Rockingham in 1993, right?

 

When I Google Marcus Allen it reads he was married from 1993-2001.  When I Goggle Donnie Edwards it reads he married Kathryn in 2001.  Yes they got married at virtual stranger OJ's house in 1993.

For me, I don't think she needed to "grovel" but she could have said something less "general", just to Kathryn. No details, no in depth apology, just something a bit more personal directly to Kathryn and not to the whole table because Kathryn was the only one at the table named in her book. This is just another example of how she comes across as ice cold to me and she needs to show some genuine warmth if she is going to keep popping up on the show. But, that is just me and how I see Faye.

This is what Eileen is complaining about with LVP.  Faye's apology to Kathryn, someone she just met and probably hasn't thought of in years isn't good enough.  Kathryn is not without her issues of duplicity.  

 

BTW No one has to like Faye and chances are she will appear from time to time. 

[breezy424]

That was the 2.0, new and improved, Camille that did that to Taylor. It was wrong but not as nasty, at least to me, as when Kim/Kyle used Taylor/Kennedy as food for Kim's Taylor "intervention" story/attempt. They, (and production) used Taylor not knowing that Kennedy was at Kyle's house as if Taylor was drunk off her butt and should have known. Kyle had to admit to the truth, which was that Kennedy was not supposed to be at Kyle's house, in her blog and on twitter because Taylor and Kennedy received death threats as a result.

 

Yes, Faye has gotten a lot of hate because of the book and because of how she comes across on the HW show. Yes, she did get death threats and that is why I am confused as to why she came back on this season. She vowed to never return to the show, even as a FO because of it, yet, here she is. Did she do it as a favor to Kyle or because of the OJ movie and thought it might reignite sales of her book?  I think the reason could go either way.

 

As for Lisa calling her an "orangutan"? I think some of us thought/felt Lisa called her that due to Faye's love of spray tans that tend to give her a rather red/orange skin color, not because some say she is bi-racial (something Faye has always denied). Was it rude, probably, racist, doubtful. 

I think Faye has come back because she is a close friend of Kyle's and Kyle continues have a rough time with both her sisters.  She is a good friend.  She has remarried and is living in Portland (?).  She could be more of a famewhore if she wanted but from what I've seen, she's not.

 

Lisa's remark was totally uncalled for.  Lisa got away with it because she is 'LVP'  and she said it about 'Faye Resnick'.   In other circumstances, there would have been a lot more outrage.  Heck, has anyone called Donald Trump an orangutan?  OK.  He's been called a lot of things, deservingly.  But when you compare someone to an ape....that's just not cool.  Whether is was racist or rude.  Heck, others have been called out on much more 'innocent observations'.  JMO.

[zoeysmom]

What rubs me the wrong way with Kathryn and any OJ references (beginning with the most insensitive of them all Rinna's mention) is she makes the murders sound as if they really inconvenienced her and how it was all about her and her marriage. The prosecution and the world were looking for a trigger that made OJ flip, Faye, Kato and Ron Shipp had had conversations with Nicole where she claims not only to have had an affair with Marcus but told OJ.  Friendships ruined, I would hope Kathryn and Marcus would not want to still be friends with OJ, of course she hardly knew OJ when it came up at the Reunion.  I heard no quantifier putting the murders way up high as the awful thing, just the damn book (again) and Kathryn's long defunct first marriage.   It is nice that Kathryn is empathizing with Yolanda and by the same token Kathryn's divorce and remarriage were 15 years ago.   The Poor People's couch had two women who have gone through divorce, the other couch had three out of four and not one of the women are in a marriage that was the first for both parties.  The question started with Yolanda's divorce. 

[jaync]

...she [Faye] called Brandi out for outing the surrogacy as part of her take down of Adrienne (as viewers we had no idea how really big Brandi had overstepped),...

Did Faye ever call out Kyle and Kim for mentioning/exacerbating the surrogacy issue while the cameras were rolling? Because if Faye was really that protective of Adrienne, then she should've at least side-eyed the Richards sisters for the parts they played.

 

In my original post I stated that everyone knew it was wrong for Brandi to out Adrienne's surrogacy on national TV. I apologize for including you in that group. I will change it to say that I think that everyone except for you thought it was wrong for Brandi to out Adrienne's surrogacy if you would prefer.

I never said what Brandi did was right, only that I didn't find it horrendous and deplorable. Anyway, no need to apologize or change anything - if you're comfortable speaking and postulating on behalf of the audience as a whole, then keep on keepin' on.

 

She vowed to never return to the show, even as a FO because of it, yet, here she is.

​The thirst is real. Always has been.

 

Look whos been talking to the rags about the reunion

Think Brandi will give her RagFriend the scoop on her LymeFriend's divorce?

[Umbelina]

Again, it doesn't matter who said that about Kathryn in private.  It matters who published it for millions of readers, and even people who didn't buy the book heard all about it, because every magazine, newspaper, and news show, or talk show discussed Kathyn's marriage, and that she was "that type" of woman.

 

There is no time limit on pain, especially when there has never been even the attempt at an apology for causing that pain.  Faye not only didn't bother, she was her usual nasty self with Kathryn. 

 

Kathryn didn't get married at a stranger's house, she got married at her soon to be husband's BEST FRIEND's house.  Although where she got married doesn't matter in this conversation at all. 

 

Again, if Kris Kardashian had rushed to make quick bucks off of Nicole and Ron's grisly murders by publishing TWO books, and shared that nasty bit of gossip about Kathryn, Kathryn would have every right to not like her.  Only Kris didn't.

 

Faye did.

 

Faye doesn't need to show up on RHBH to see her best buddy Kyle, she does it for the money, or possibly for Kyle, who knows?  Who cares?  No one is forcing her.  She is pretty universally detested.  Suck it up buttercup.  Stay off TV if you don't want attention.

[KFC]

The debate here about Faye and Kathryn (and Kyle) is way more interesting than what we saw on screen.

[WireWrap]

This is what Eileen is complaining about with LVP.  Faye's apology to Kathryn, someone she just met and probably hasn't thought of in years isn't good enough.  Kathryn is not without her issues of duplicity.  

 

BTW No one has to like Faye and chances are she will appear from time to time. 

Lisa apologized to Eileen for exactly what Eileen told her she was upset about. Maybe had Eileen been honest to Lisa in the first place, instead of beating around the bush she would have gotten the apology she wanted from the get go. Eileen isn't claiming that Lisa gave a "general" apology to the whole table, she is claiming Lisa didn't apologize at all.

 

What rubs me the wrong way with Kathryn and any OJ references (beginning with the most insensitive of them all Rinna's mention) is she makes the murders sound as if they really inconvenienced her and how it was all about her and her marriage. The prosecution and the world were looking for a trigger that made OJ flip, Faye, Kato and Ron Shipp had had conversations with Nicole where she claims not only to have had an affair with Marcus but told OJ.  Friendships ruined, I would hope Kathryn and Marcus would not want to still be friends with OJ, of course she hardly knew OJ when it came up at the Reunion.  I heard no quantifier putting the murders way up high as the awful thing, just the damn book (again) and Kathryn's long defunct first marriage.   It is nice that Kathryn is empathizing with Yolanda and by the same token Kathryn's divorce and remarriage were 15 years ago.   The Poor People's couch had two women who have gone through divorce, the other couch had three out of four and not one of the women are in a marriage that was the first for both parties.  The question started with Yolanda's divorce. 

I thought Andy asked Kathryn what she thought about Yolanda/divorce and that is why she talked about it. Maybe she should have turned to Eileen and passed the question onto her as she has been divorced/remarried the most of all the BH HWs, I am sure that would have gone over like a lead balloon. LOL

[motorcitymom65]

Did Faye ever call out Kyle and Kim for mentioning/exacerbating the surrogacy issue while the cameras were rolling? Because if Faye was really that protective of Adrienne, then she should've at least side-eyed the Richards sisters for the parts they played.

 

Why would she be mad at them? From what I understand based on something vague that Adrienne said afterwards, none of them knew at the time what part of the surrogacy stuff would come up on the show. They didn't know that Bravo would bleep out the actual reveal, but leave in the discussion about the "thing". Adrienne and Paul were fighting it right up to the end, from the way it sounded. I am sure that many of the folks were discussing this - on camera - because they thought it would be a known fact. Bravo was the one responsible for editing the footage to cleanse it of any mentions, and if they got it wrong, I don't think it could be blamed on any of the ladies.

[RHJunkie]

In my original post I stated that everyone knew it was wrong for Brandi to out Adrienne's surrogacy on national TV. I apologize for including you in that group. I will change it to say that I think that everyone except for you thought it was wrong for Brandi to out Adrienne's surrogacy if you would prefer. This is a show large watched by women. I accept that I could be wrong, but from all that I read at the time, even fans of Brandi's thought she was wrong. I mean, what's next? Would it have been Ok for Brandi to out someone's abortion? Even LVP said after they had their falling out that Brandi had done something horrendous but that she stood by her at the time (and now regretted it). My mind will never be changed that if LVP would have bitch slapped Brandi around, talked about it being the horrible thing that it was, noted that if someone did something like that to Adrienne, they would eventually turn on her (LVP) as well, at the very least Brandi would not have been seen in the same light.

 

I seem to recall LVP saying that she spoke to Brandi about what she did but she didn't turn on her or call her out in front of the group. LVP clearly holds a different standard when it comes to her friends, vs. acquaintances vs. people she doesn't get along with. If you're the latter two, she'll call you out point black if she thinks you did something wrong. If it's a friend, she'll say that she addressed the situation with said friend to express her disapproval but in front of the cameras and with the other women, she doesn't ever pile on but does the opposite of either keeping silent or trying to redirect the onslaught.

 

Maybe she is more honest with her disapproval away from the women and cameras but it still isn't a good look to go from 'quiet and supportive' with a friend like Brandi to constantly criticizing past and present behavior just because they're no longer friends.

[RHJunkie]

What rubs me the wrong way with Kathryn and any OJ references (beginning with the most insensitive of them all Rinna's mention) is she makes the murders sound as if they really inconvenienced her and how it was all about her and her marriage. The prosecution and the world were looking for a trigger that made OJ flip, Faye, Kato and Ron Shipp had had conversations with Nicole where she claims not only to have had an affair with Marcus but told OJ.  Friendships ruined, I would hope Kathryn and Marcus would not want to still be friends with OJ, of course she hardly knew OJ when it came up at the Reunion.  I heard no quantifier putting the murders way up high as the awful thing, just the damn book (again) and Kathryn's long defunct first marriage.   It is nice that Kathryn is empathizing with Yolanda and by the same token Kathryn's divorce and remarriage were 15 years ago.   The Poor People's couch had two women who have gone through divorce, the other couch had three out of four and not one of the women are in a marriage that was the first for both parties.  The question started with Yolanda's divorce. 

 

I believe Kathryn was only speaking in context of what was being asked of her because people were curious as to how she was involved and her connection to Faye. That connection was the book, not the murder or case. In that respect, I think it's understandable that she wouldn't have to state the obvious - which is that the biggest tragedy was the deaths of Nicole and Ron. I don't think Bravo wants to get that deep anyhow but they needed to have it discussed in some context to explain what made Kathryn an 'interesting' addition to the cast. I think Kathryn saw the conversation as a platform to share her experience and feelings. In the grand scheme of things, she and her ex were a very minute detail to a massive story, yet such a small detail had an astronomical effect on their marriage.

[AKA...CJ86]

Again, if Kris Kardashian had rushed to make quick bucks off of Nicole and Ron's grisly murders by publishing TWO books, and shared that nasty bit of gossip about Kathryn, Kathryn would have every right to not like her.  Only Kris didn't.

 

 

 

She may not at the time, but I think including Nicole's favorite nachos in her cookbook puts her at that level---to a degree---now.

[RHJunkie]

She may not at the time, but I think including Nicole's favorite nachos in her cookbook puts her at that level---to a degree---now.

 

I disagree. Kris is not going to sell recipe books because Nicole's name is printed on one page of her recipe book. Kris has catapulted herself to levels of fame and fortune via her family and that's why she's going to sell recipe books.  Kris isn't cashing in by using her friend's name. At the end of the day, they were friends and given the context and the fact that it's been 20 years, Kris paying a small tribute to her friend, not trying to cash by using Nicole. That's the difference between Kris' mention of Nicole and Faye's books about Nicole.