S04.E15: When There's A Fire In Your Heart

[Clemgo3165]

 

 

I think Rayna would have behaved differently. Teddy, probably not, but he's also been shown to be overbearing and controlling. I think that's what these writers think is good parenting. Clearly lots of the audience agrees.

Should Deacon have done nothing? I wouldn't say that, no. But I do think he should have remained calm and rational. It would have been cool if he'd directed his anger at the guy who was actually doing the touching instead of the girl being touched. He could have stood at the front so Maddie saw him, let her finish her song, and then tell her to get in the car. He also could have just waited for her to get home. I see mamy options besides overbearing crazy dad and complete apathy.

 

I don't think waiting at home would have been a good choice for this situation. She's underage playing in an over-21 club, she snuck out of the house and cajoled her sister into keeping quiet, she flat out lied to her Dad, Deacon had no choice but to go down there. 

 

While I see your point about Deacon directing his anger at the guy doing the touching rather than the girl being touched and think that's a completely valid criticism, I do see Deacon's side too in terms of fear for his daughter's safety. Pulling her off the stage at that moment doesn't seem irrational to me. My own Dad intervened with me many times when I'd gotten myself in over my head, which is where Maddie was at that point. Often he was able to stay cool and be an advisor, but there were also times when my safety was involved that he behaved more like Deacon. I'm thankful every day for him.

 

 

I don't think calm and coddling are the same thing, no. Respectful would be nice, though. None of Maddie's parents ever treat her with much respect.

 

This I don't see at all. I think her parents, all three of them, treat her with a great deal of respect. While I do think that sometimes they want to keep her more sheltered than she needs to be, especially in terms of performing, I don't think that shows a lack of respect for her or her choices. She's being actively encouraged to pursue her music, she's writing with Cash with the permission of her parents, she's allowed to go out to coffee bars with a woman who is a good bit older than her, and she has a recording contract. The only fault I see is in tying her down to her 12-year-old sister. Even if Daphne is the bomb, she's still a kid.

Edited April 14, 2016 by Clemgo3165

[airwair]

I don't think calm and coddling are the same thing, no. Respectful would be nice, though. None of Maddie's parents ever treat her with much respect.

I said he could have pushed the guy away. He also could have given Maddie a second to push the guy away herself. I also said it would have been nice for him to direct his anger at the guy doing the touching. But yes, I get it. I know you think Deacon is the best dad ever and Maddie a bratty loser. I know.

I always thought her parents were very respectful of her when she was respectful to them and deserving of their respect.

She does not deserve respect with the way she has been behaving and her attitude towards them lately. I was always taught you get respect when you give it and vice versa.

I do not think Deacon is the best dad ever. He has flaws and makes mistakes. All parents do. I just don't think this was one of them.

And yes. I do think Maddie is a bratty loser. We can agree on that. It makes me sad given that she used to be one of my favorite characters and she had promise and I don't know why they are taking her so far off the rails, but it is what it is. I don't have to like it.

[Morgan of Hed]

I'm curious what the actual rules are about underage performers.  Here in Canada, or at least in my province, underage performers are perfectly fine.  I know this because every St. Patrick's day, my daughter's Irish Dance school would go on a tour of several local pubs and perform.  The girls ranged from grade school to college age.

 

I wouldn't be so concerned as a dad about my daughter performing in a pub so much as the lyrical content of that song.  I would be very uncomfortable with my 17 year old daughter singing that song.  From the show's viewpoint, that's a lot of Cash in that song and not so much Maddie.

[Soup333]

How would that have worked though? How would Deacon have pushed the man away and not disturbed the performance? She would have been jarred just by seeing him standing there because she knew she was not supposed to be there.

 

Look, Maddie is a kid. A child. An immature one at that. She needs to be parented. She can't just go out and do whatever she wants to do just because she feels like it. Most teenagers rebel to some degree, but that doesn't mean that parents should just give up and let them run the asylum. Maddie is a brat, a spoiled one and she has no clue - NO clue - what the real world is like. Perhaps Rayna/Teddy went overboard in sheltering her so she wouldn't fall into the same things they did as teenagers, but that's parenting. You learn as you do it. There are a whole LOT of kids in this world who wish they had a father to step in for them.

 

I don't get how Deacon has no respect for her because he protected her??? 

[Bwill3133]

It seems there is not much discipline that Maddie responds to. She gets grounded for a day and gets to go to a concert. She gets her phone taken away, she uses Daphne's and is pretty much a terror about it, no consequences. Rayna/Teddy mostly and now Deacon (for the last 2 years) are responsible for Maddie being the wonder that she is. Clearly something is not working. I think the best person she needs to talk to is Juliette. She actually was in the industry practically on her own at 14/15 with Glenn and she can tell some stories. That is what Maddie needs to hear. Rayna is her mother and she obviously does not want to listen to her. She admires Juliette and might actually take into consideration what she says because her actions and things that have happened to her have affected her life.  Looks like that might happen with Rayna next week but who knows.

 

On another note glad that Avery and Juliette can be civil with each other right now. They are still too cute and I want them to find their way back to each other. 

[Artsda]

Teddy was the only one who every really parented Maddy.

 

Rayna was always gone, then let her run around getting her way, while Teddy always had to be bad cop at home and Maddy to lash out at him. When the life long daddy lie was exposed, by Maddy herself (because Rayna showed no respect for her child, but instead lied to her and Deacon) it became Deacon vs Teddy, where Deacon let her get away with running off to his house under the pretense of music lessons while it was Teddy who had to force her to do her homework. 

 

Without Teddy, both those girls were doomed. 

Edited April 14, 2016 by Artsda

[airwair]

Teddy was the only one who every really parented Maddy.

Rayna was always gone, then let her run around getting her way, while Teddy always had to be bad cop at home and Maddy to lash out at him. When the life long daddy lie was exposed, by Maddy herself (because Rayna showed no respect for her child, but instead lied to her and Deacon) it became Deacon vs Teddy, where Deacon let her get away with running off to his house under the pretense of music lessons while it was Teddy who had to force her to do her homework.

Without Teddy, both those girls were doomed.

"Under the pretense of music lessons"? It can't be a pretense if it's what is actually happening. And he did actually teach her guitar for their one hour together a week.

It's a shame Teddy couldn't have taken the flawless values and discipline he alone bestowed upon the girls and applied it to his own life. Then maybe he could be their sole parent and they could flourish instead of being in prison for embezzlement, extortion, corruption, and paying high end escorts for sex.

[madam magpie]

How would that have worked though? How would Deacon have pushed the man away and not disturbed the performance? She would have been jarred just by seeing him standing there because she knew she was not supposed to be there.

Look, Maddie is a kid. A child. An immature one at that. She needs to be parented. She can't just go out and do whatever she wants to do just because she feels like it. Most teenagers rebel to some degree, but that doesn't mean that parents should just give up and let them run the asylum. Maddie is a brat, a spoiled one and she has no clue - NO clue - what the real world is like. Perhaps Rayna/Teddy went overboard in sheltering her so she wouldn't fall into the same things they did as teenagers, but that's parenting. You learn as you do it. There are a whole LOT of kids in this world who wish they had a father to step in for them.

I don't get how Deacon has no respect for her because he protected her???

Maddie's not a child. She's a year away from legal adulthood. She is immature and lacking in life experience, that's for sure. I think part of that is age, but part of it is also that she's been so sheltered and "protected" by her parents. They treat her like she's very young and like she's incapable of understanding complicated things.

I never said Deacon shouldn't jar her. I said I didn't like him humiliating her or being the cliched nutso dad who can't deal with a sexual daughter. I see so many options here. So, so many, and the one he chose is the least appealing to me.

Personally, I think he should have waited for her to come home. She wasn't out alone. She has a cell phone. She said she'd be home by her curfew; to maintain her lie, she'd have to do that. She had no idea her cover was blown. I also think he should have actually talked to Daphne instead of dictating at her. She was clearly very upset. The true danger factor for Maddie was pretty low. I'm reminded of the time on FNL when bratty Julie Taylor went to Austin overnight with her boyfriend even though her mother said she couldn't go. Tami initially wanted to go after her and hunt her down. In the end, the Taylors waited for her to come home.

Yes, it's hard to let kids grow up and find their own lives and rebel and stumble and do stupid things and all that. But I think the best parents balance fear, restraint, and calm. Deacon lives almost completely in fear, which I get given his life experience, but I certainly don't admire it.

I also think everyone deserves respect. Maddie being a brat or even a liar doesn't negate that for me. And when her parents stoop to that level, I think it reinforces disrespectful behavior as acceptable. Deacon humiliated her in public. I consider that very disrespectful. I also consider it overbearing because he didn't give her the opportunity to defend herself...or offer to help her defend herself. If Maddie were my kid, I'd have been teaching her all her life that she had the right to defend herself. I would not just hope she magically figured it out at 18 or 21, or that her dad was always around to pull her out of dangerous or sexual situations. I'd rather her dad empower her...because feminism, yes.

Edited April 14, 2016 by madam magpie

[Clemgo3165]

 

When the life long daddy lie was exposed, by Maddy herself (because Rayna showed no respect for her child, but instead lied to her and Deacon) it became Deacon vs Teddy, where Deacon let her get away with running off to his house under the pretense of music lessons while it was Teddy who had to force her to do her homework.

 

In fairness to Deacon, he didn't know that she had come without permission the one time she did. He thought she was there for her regular music lesson and most objected to Teddy's using her small amount of time with Deacon as punishment. Deacon also didn't know there were problems with her getting her homework done until Teddy asked him to help out in that regard. At that point he was only seeing her for a short while every week and wasn't with her to supervise her homework. From there on out you saw Deacon making sure the work was done. 

 

I think Teddy was, for the most part, a good father, and he definitely loves both of the girls, but I don't think they'd have been doomed without him. We've seen Rayna be the bad cop more than once.

[NYGirl]

I've never been a fan of Alicia Witt.  I actually hate her in Nashville.  Ugh.  Not a fan of Cash either.  (What kind of name is that anyway?)

 

I feel sorry for Layla. She's going to get screwed again.

 

I'm so glad Hayden is back and I love Will and Kevin together.

[airwair]

I can't go around in circles anymore.

Let Maddie run the show. Allow her to do anything and everything she wants so that she can be a free flowing, powerful feminine woman.

When she winds up raped, pregnant, or worse, at least she will have that life experience and get to take it with her where ever she goes.

[Clemgo3165]

 

I never said Deacon shouldn't jar her. I said I didn't like him humiliating her or being the cliched nutso dad who can't deal with a sexual daughter. I see so many options here. So, so many, and the one he chose is the least appealing to me.

 

But it wasn't HER sexuality he had an issue with. He was standing there listening to her sing about how she was a very bad girl and never moved. It was when a grown man started feeling her up that he reacted. I don't see that as taking away Maddie's sexual choice because she didn't have a choice in the first place. 

 

I would expect any good parent to follow-up with a serious discussion after everyone had calmed down. Maddie needs to know how to deal with these situations, she needs to know that she doesn't have to take that from any man, and her parents are the ones who need to instill that in her. 

[bref]

Does anyone else reading here constantly confuse Cash and Colt?

 

Cash is weird af. Screaming at Deacon that he doesn't know his daughter? Yeah, that was ten kinds of inappropriate.

 

And speaking of Deacon, my two cents on his behavior with Maddie? I'm the mother of a former teenaged daughter, I'm extremely sex positive and all about kids learning by experience, but I would have yanked her off that stage in two seconds flat myself and it has nothing to do with how she dressed or even the guy touching her. It has everything to do with her lying to my face and sneaking out. Not acceptable.

 

MadamM, your exaggerated restatements of other posters' comments (Fine, Deacon is the best dad ever!; oh noes, Maddie will become a coke addict from being touched!) are a misrepresentation of what's being said. Setting up a straw man argument like that is not conducive to respectful discussion. IMO.

Edited April 14, 2016 by bref

[Clemgo3165]

I can't go around in circles anymore.

Let Maddie run the show. Allow her to do anything and everything she wants so that she can be a free flowing, powerful feminine woman.

When she winds up raped, pregnant, or worse, at least she will have that life experience and get to take it with her where ever she goes.

 

Worse comes to worst, she'll be able to write some deeply felt songs about it ;)

[Soup333]

Why couldn't Deacon have been upset at the entire situation?? She lied, she's underage and could have been drinking as far as he knew and she's being groped onstage. How is it logical for him to wait until she comes home from a bar to say anything to her about it? And once again, that would have required him to ignore the man he saw groping her. Feminism does not mean that her father can't ever discipline her for fear of crushing her blossoming womanhood. 

 

And we don't know the real danger factor of her being at that bar. Dude walked up there and touched her leg bold as life. Cash could have gotten distracted, he could have gotten her a drink and put something in it. Anything could have happened to her. 

[NYGirl]

I've never been a fan of Alicia Witt.  I actually hate her in Nashville.  Ugh.  Not a fan of Cash either.  (What kind of name is that anyway?)

 

I feel sorry for Layla. She's going to get screwed again.

 

I'm so glad Hayden is back and I love Will and Kevin together.

[airwair]

Why couldn't Deacon have been upset at the entire situation?? She lied, she's underage and could have been drinking as far as he knew and she's being groped onstage. How is it logical for him to wait until she comes home from a bar to say anything to her about it? And once again, that would have required him to ignore the man he saw groping her. Feminism does not mean that her father can't ever discipline her for fear of crushing her blossoming womanhood.

And we don't know the real danger factor of her being at that bar. Dude walked up there and touched her leg bold as life. Cash could have gotten distracted, he could have gotten her a drink and put something in it. Anything could have happened to her.

I'm quite concerned with how brazen he was in front of all those people. Imagine if he had been able to corner her alone.

And Cash never stopped filming after the guy grabbed Maddie twice, so she's useless. She apparently doesn't even have to be distracted.

[NUguy514]

Oh, Maddie, the call is coming from inside the house, you know what I mean? Maddie's the worst, though, so I don't care. Do your worst, Cash.

[madam magpie]

Why couldn't Deacon have been upset at the entire situation?? She lied, she's underage and could have been drinking as far as he knew and she's being groped onstage. How is it logical for him to wait until she comes home from a bar to say anything to her about it? And once again, that would have required him to ignore the man he saw groping her. Feminism does not mean that her father can't ever discipline her for fear of crushing her blossoming womanhood.

And we don't know the real danger factor of her being at that bar. Dude walked up there and touched her leg bold as life. Cash could have gotten distracted, he could have gotten her a drink and put something in it. Anything could have happened to her.

Anything can always happen. That's life. I don't think Maddie was in any more danger at the bar than she would have been at a coffee shop, record store, city bus, etc. I really don't. She might have even been safer at a bar with bouncers and her friend than alone on a bus, actually. The key was that Maddie wasn't drinking. Not only that, but she refused a drink from the guy at the bar. She wasn't about to get ruffied either. No, Deacon couldn't see all this, but next year, if Maddoe goes to college, he won't see it either. The hope has to be that you've raised you're kid to make decent choices and decisions in the moment. Maddie not drinking told me that she actually was attune to her surroundings.

Maddie was super uncomfortable in that bar. That was obvious to me. Humiliating her means she's going to keep that to herself rather than explore what it all meant and its consequences in the safety of her home with parents who treat her respectfully. None of that means no consequence for lying, but like I said I see many ways of handling this situation better than public shaming.

But I'm out. This is getting repetitive...and redundant.

Edited April 14, 2016 by madam magpie

[Clemgo3165]

Usually there's a bouncer or somebody running the house who would nip that kind of stuff in the bud and send the guy packing. 

[Ohmo]

I don't think waiting at home would have been a good choice for this situation. She's underage playing in an over-21 club, she snuck out of the house and cajoled her sister into keeping quiet, she flat out lied to her Dad, Deacon had no choice but to go down there. 

 

While I see your point about Deacon directing his anger at the guy doing the touching rather than the girl being touched and think that's a completely valid criticism, I do see Deacon's side too in terms of fear for his daughter's safety. Pulling her off the stage at that moment doesn't seem irrational to me. My own Dad intervened with me many times when I'd gotten myself in over my head, which is where Maddie was at that point. Often he was able to stay cool and be an advisor, but there were also times when my safety was involved that he behaved more like Deacon. I'm thankful every day for him.

 

 

This I don't see at all. I think her parents, all three of them, treat her with a great deal of respect. While I do think that sometimes they want to keep her more sheltered than she needs to be, especially in terms of performing, I don't think that shows a lack of respect for her or her choices. She's being actively encouraged to pursue her music, she's writing with Cash with the permission of her parents, she's allowed to go out to coffee bars with a woman who is a good bit older than her, and she has a recording contract. The only fault I see is in tying her down to her 12-year-old sister. Even if Daphne is the bomb, she's still a kid.

 

Agreed.

 

It seems there is not much discipline that Maddie responds to. She gets grounded for a day and gets to go to a concert. She gets her phone taken away, she uses Daphne's and is pretty much a terror about it, no consequences.

It seems to me that there were also plenty of times that the adults in Maddie's life have given her the respect of explaining to her why they feel the way that they do and have made the decisions they have.  Even Juliette has tried to explain where Rayna has come from.  Maddie has been given plenty of opportunities in the world of music.  They just have come with boundaries, which is not unrealistic for the adults in her life to do, IMO.

 

ETA:

"Under the pretense of music lessons"? It can't be a pretense if it's what is actually happening.

 

My interpretation of this remark was that Maddie took the music lessons (which were indeed actually happening) and used them as pretense to pit Teddy against Deacon so Maddie could do (or not do) as she pleased.

Edited April 14, 2016 by Ohmo

[candall]

Good grief.  You find your 16-year old daughter standing in a bar singing that she's a wild woman with a fever in her blood, that she's not afraid to get dirty, likes to play games, feed flames, no halo for me--and some rando reaches up and strokes her thigh?

 

Is there a parent somewhere in the world who would take that calmly in stride?  Oh, I'll just wait 'til she finishes her set.

 

My parents ROARING my name from the floor would have shattered the windows and all the barware.

[airwair]

Good grief. You find your 16-year old daughter standing in a bar singing that she's a wild woman with a fever in her blood, that she's not afraid to get dirty, likes to play games, feed flames, no halo for me--and some rando reaches up and strokes her thigh?

Is there a parent somewhere in the world who would take that calmly in stride? Oh, I'll just wait 'til she finishes her set.

My parents ROARING my name from the floor would have shattered the windows and all the barware.

100%.

[Sutton]

Juliette's back and with Rayna going to see her in the next episode she probably will ask her to help with Maddie because she's the only one Maddie will listen too. I have a feeling that Cash will try to interfere telling Maddie she shouldn't listen to Juliette. It's going to be interesting to see how Cash is going to react after Maddie tells her that she might tour with Juliette because that just might happen. Even Rayna might take her on her tour they can make it as a family. Rayna, Deacon, Maddie and not far behind Daphne doing her own thing solo. Juliette is a softy for Maddie and I don't think she wants Maddie to go through what she went through coming up in the music business.

 

What's with Frankie and now Cash are they both going off the edge.  Frankie falling off the wagon after 15+ years over you hurt my feelings tonight and now Cash yelling at Deacon telling him Maddie should do what ever she wants because she's old enough. Do these two people have some sort of mental problems that nobody knows of.

 

Since Maddie just used her first name at the bar nobody knows who she is unless not so happy Cash tells them. Is anyone at the bar even going to remember what happened 5 minutes ago when the next sexy entertainer starts singing.

[Sandman]

Okay, I’m calling it. Cash was a super talented teen whose big break was ruined by her drunk father.  She is trying to give Maddie the support she feels she never had.  Of course, she cannot say that.  Instead a grown woman helps a teenager sneak out to play at Skulls.  Yes, Skulls, which has a creepy little stage in the middle of the dance floor and no security to keep creepers from fondling the performers.

 

I'm beginning to think this is what's happening. Are we sure Creepy Cash is interested in Maddie herself at all? Or does she identify with Maddie? I wonder if the whole "Do you even know how talented she is?" means that Cash is using Maddie and Deacon to work out her unresolved conflicts with her own drunk of a father.  (Still creepy, though.)

 

I call total shenanigans on Autumn seducing Gunnar.  Does she have eyes?  Has she seen the hair?

 

To be fair, the hair is far less ridiculous than usual. It's not like Gunnar fell off the turnip truck just in from Fuglytown. He's ... presentable. He's just kind of dorky. And not really that bright a lot of the time. I get the feeling Autumn Unawesome's not interested in hearing the boy talk.

 

Hey, Will and Layla could be The Exes Part Deux!

 

Oh, I can imagine how that would go:

 

Radio host: "And we're back with The Exes, Scarlett O'Connor and Gunnar Scott!"

Layla: [simmering] "No, actually, we're The Other Exez, With a 'Z.' Layla Grant and Will Lexington."

Radio host: "So, it's ... like a cover band?"

Layla: "No! NO! Arrgh! Why does this keep happening to meeeeeeeeeeeee?!"

 

ETA: Thanks, airwair. I had no idea that Skulls was a real venue. (Ooops.)

Edited April 14, 2016 by Sandman

[Soup333]

Good grief.  You find your 16-year old daughter standing in a bar singing that she's a wild woman with a fever in her blood, that she's not afraid to get dirty, likes to play games, feed flames, no halo for me--and some rando reaches up and strokes her thigh?

 

Is there a parent somewhere in the world who would take that calmly in stride?  Oh, I'll just wait 'til she finishes her set.

 

My parents ROARING my name from the floor would have shattered the windows and all the barware.

 

Honey. I wouldn't be here to tell the story.

 

I also thought Cash was talking about herself in that rant. She was so...passionate.

 

My heart just melted when Deacon's voice broke when he said, "She's my daughter."

 

ETA: Layla drives a Bug? How is it possible for me to hate her even more?

Edited April 14, 2016 by Soup333

[Bwill3133]

I hope we get an answer to the question about Cash and the reason she is so passionate about Maddie's career. I do also want to see Juliette and Maddie scenes. She does seem to take her advice and Juliette would know best about being 16 in the music business and how hard it is. 

[Tara Ariano]

In case you missed it, here's the Previously.TV post on the episode!

 

Nashville Chooses Hugs, Not Drugs
A great episode remembers the show's way more interesting when it focuses on interpersonal weirdness instead of substance problems.

[ASpring1900]

First episode I've enjoyed of Nashville in a long time. I keep wanting to break up with this show, then a good episode comes through and pulls me back in.

 

Did anyone else watch Hollywood Heights on Teen Nick many summers ago? The guy who played Eddie was the touchy bar patron. I am embarrassed as to how much I enjoyed HH so it was nice to see him even though he was a pig.

 

I had absolutely no idea who the blonde woman was at the end or who she was talking about until just this moment, so the ending was not too climatic for me.

[thegriswolds]

Good grief.  You find your 16-year old daughter standing in a bar singing that she's a wild woman with a fever in her blood, that she's not afraid to get dirty, likes to play games, feed flames, no halo for me--and some rando reaches up and strokes her thigh?

 

Is there a parent somewhere in the world who would take that calmly in stride?  Oh, I'll just wait 'til she finishes her set.

 

My parents ROARING my name from the floor would have shattered the windows and all the barware.

 

What I don't get is where these lyrics come from.  She sleeps with Colt once and starts coming up with this stuff?  Her first time must have been WAY WAY better than mine or anyone else's I know.

[Clemgo3165]

For real. I couldn't even listen to the song.

[basiltherat]

Obviously, Colt's experience was not as good, and he ran away to Granmpa's farm and then joined the Army!

[Readalot]

Maybe Cash doesn't realize she trying to "fix" Maddie when in reality she really wants to "fix" her daddy and his drinking issues. Transference, co-dependency and all that stuff.

[Ohmo]

What I don't get is where these lyrics come from.  She sleeps with Colt once and starts coming up with this stuff?  Her first time must have been WAY WAY better than mine or anyone else's I know.

 

I'm thinking that will turn out to be a compilation of Cash's sexual experiences plus what Maddie experienced with Colt.  I don't think that song is just about Maddie.

 

ETA: I loved Juliette's song, though.

Edited April 14, 2016 by Ohmo

[dcalley]

ETA: Thanks, airwair. I had no idea that Skulls was a real venue. (Ooops.)

I'm surprised a real place is willing to be portrayed as having an employee knowingly admit a 16-year-old and as having no protection for the performers when a guy repeatedly touches a singer who keeps pulling away.

[Sutton]

Are those Maddie's lyrics or Cash's??? I can't believe Maddie a young girl/woman who's been protected from the music industries bad behavior comes up with those lyrics, unless she's been reading a lot of trashy love novels. I have to agree with Ohmo, it's probably Cash's sexual experiences when she was very young and nobody watched out for her, had guys taking advantage of her when she was starting out in the business. Cash is envious, jealous how both Deacon/Rayna want to protect Maddie from people taking advantage of young talent.

 

The experience Maddie had with Colt couldn't have last anymore then what 10/15 minutes. It had to be something very sweet because Colt doesn't look like the kind of a kid that (I don't know what to say here) take advantage of her. My big question is, is Deacon/Rayna going to listen to those lyrics and ask Maddie what the hell are you thinking and writing songs about lusting????

[airwair]

Are those Maddie's lyrics or Cash's??? I can't believe Maddie a young girl/woman who's been protected from the music industries bad behavior comes up with those lyrics, unless she's been reading a lot of trashy love novels. I have to agree with Ohmo, it's probably Cash's sexual experiences when she was very young and nobody watched out for her, had guys taking advantage of her when she was starting out in the business. Cash is envious, jealous how both Deacon/Rayna want to protect Maddie from people taking advantage of young talent.

The experience Maddie had with Colt couldn't have last anymore then what 10/15 minutes. It had to be something very sweet because Colt doesn't look like the kind of a kid that (I don't know what to say here) take advantage of her. My big question is, is Deacon/Rayna going to listen to those lyrics and ask Maddie what the hell are you thinking and writing songs about lusting????

10-15 minutes??? That's generous.

[Fisher King]

The Juliette in this episode is what makes it worth tuning in. Now, if they'll just let her be this way for awhile, without lapsing into insane tyrant territory, that may possibly be what gets this show renewed for another season.  But who am I kidding? The one thing the writers consistently do is muck up the best characters & storylines.

 

I felt like Deacon was justified for going "nutso" at Skull's. Not so much that Maddie lied. Forget that she went to a bar illegally. No, it's that godawful, shitty song that she had the nerve to sing....in public no less. Who does Maddie think Cash thinks she should be? Taylor Swift's lesser-known 12 year old, wannabe cousin? That was dreadful. I agree with others that Cash is insinuating her own personal experience into Maddie's, er..."writing." I wonder if 'Cash' is really a nickname for when she once worked street corners. I'm joking here, although that would probably be a better song choice idea than "I'm a bullet. I'm a wild child. I'm a bad bad girl..."

No, Maddie. You are none of those things. You are just mad. Maybe instead of going by the one-name moniker Maddie, just shorten it to Mad. Seems apropos.

[pattycat]

The PTV review of the episode, where reviewer gave Cash credit for telling Deacon what an asshole he was being?? Say What??

Deacon, at worst, was a scared, overly protective Dad! Cash came across as a Loon, in that scene! I think any Parent would have been, WTH!?

I do cut Deacon a lot of slack, on parenting issues. He's known he was a Dad, for what, 2 years? Much of that time, he was more glorified, Uncle Deacon, than allowed to be an, active, fully engaged Parent. It's been quite recent, that he's been a full time Dad. He's not parenting a couple of precocious pre schoolers. He's parenting a head strong, spoiled 16 year old, and a 12 year old who's had quite the emotional roller coaster, in the last couple of years. Challenging for the experienced, savvy parent , which, he, of course, is not.

Parenting, is a tough job with no rule book to guide you. I've seen comparisons made to the parenting on FNL. Not fair. On that show, we're talking about 2 people co-parenting, from the day of their children's birth. Totally different situations. Not only is Deacon new to Daddyness, he has no role models, to draw from. He's the product of a home, with a mentally unstable Mother, and a violent, alcoholic Father.

He loves the girls and he's trying. He's got a lot to learn, and he is going to be imperfect and make mistakes. I think this part of the storyline, is realistic. The whole, Maddie adored Deacon, but, now she's scared of him, is ridiculous.

Edited April 15, 2016 by pattycat

[AnnaRose]

The Juliette in this episode is what makes it worth tuning in. Now, if they'll just let her be this way for awhile, without lapsing into insane tyrant territory, that may possibly be what gets this show renewed for another season.  But who am I kidding? The one thing the writers consistently do is muck up the best characters & storylines.

 

Yeah, it makes it kind of hard to enjoy the Juliette scenes when I'm just waiting for the writers to ruin it again.

[MaryM47]

Since Maddie just used her first name at the bar nobody knows who she is unless not so happy Cash tells them. 

 

 

I find it unlikely that in today's digital world there is anyone in Nashville who wouldn't know that Maddie was Rayna Jaymes' daughter.

 

Is anyone at the bar even going to remember what happened 5 minutes ago when the next sexy entertainer starts singing.

 

 

I find it unlikely in today's digital world that someone there didn't catch the whole thing on their iPhone and have it on youtube seconds after it happened. 

[Fisher King]

Exactly, AnnaRose - The excitement at the onset of the Juliette/Avery relationship was palpable. That was a great moment for this show. Then TPTB of course had to sabotage that. 

[Fisher King]

I find it unlikely that in today's digital world there is anyone in Nashville who wouldn't know that Maddie was Rayna Jaymes' daughter.

 

I believe that info was leaked by Maddie herself when she posted a song on YTube under the name Maddie Clayborne.

 

I had to call nonsense when Maddie whined to Cash that it wouldn't matter about her songs because no one outside her house would ever hear them. Really, Mad? I'm not saying you were born with a silver guitar in your hand but....your mom is a music legend who owns a record label, in which you are a signed act. Your father knows EVERYONE in the biz and owns a club he would likely allow you to use (maybe on no drunken gropers allowed night0. You've shared various other stages numerous times. And you've already utilized the internet. The only thing left to do is shut the hell up and write.

[Muffyn]

Juliet and Avery have incredible chemistry together.  It was nice to see it on display this episode.  And because it cannot be said enough, Hayden knocked it out of the park in every scene she was in.  She certainly proved we were right to miss her. 

[CruiseDiva]

I'm thinking that will turn out to be a compilation of Cash's sexual experiences plus what Maddie experienced with Colt.  I don't think that song is just about Maddie.

 

ETA: I loved Juliette's song, though.

I was wondering if anyone was going to mention Maddie's "song"--it hurt my ears. Not only were the lyrics raunchy, but her vocals were strange. Was she trying to be sexy? She just sounded off-key to me.

 

And what was up with the club having a doorman to check IDs, but no bouncer to toss the guy groping a female entertainer?

Edited April 15, 2016 by CruiseDiva

[Lillybee]

I think that Maddy is not ready for a solo career. Her voice still needs Daphne's harmony.

 

This show has too many women going BSC, Cash, Layla and Autumn.  That stalkerish behavior needs to stop. When Juliette comes across as one of the sanest women on this show, we know that something is not right in Nashville.

[gryphon]

 

Juliet and Avery have incredible chemistry together.  It was nice to see it on display this episode.  And because it cannot be said enough, Hayden knocked it out of the park in every scene she was in.

1000% Word!  I want them to get back together slooooowly.... I loved her song to Glenn....yay!  I've always liked him a great deal. 

Autumn and Gunnar?   She's going to drop Scarlett and hire him for the rest of the tour, I think.  

I'm a fan of Gunnar and Scarlett being friends.  And Will and Layla being friends.  And Will finding happiness. 

[ElectricBoogaloo]

Usually there's a bouncer or somebody running the house who would nip that kind of stuff in the bud and send the guy packing. 

There usually is/should be, but as we saw when Will got heckled a few weeks ago, some places are slower than others to take action against patrons. I've been to some places where any kind of interference with the performance means you get booted immediately but I've also been to other venues where they let stuff slide unless the performer specifically says, "Get this guy out of here!"

[NYGirl]

 

Autumn and Gunnar?   She's going to drop Scarlett and hire him for the rest of the tour, I think.  

 

Now that you mention it, maybe her firing the guitar player was foreshadowing...she'll get rid of Scarlett and Gunnar will be her guitar guy.

[airwair]

Now that you mention it, maybe her firing the guitar player was foreshadowing...she'll get rid of Scarlett and Gunnar will be her guitar guy.

Pretty sure there would be contracts in place preventing that. The Exes are under contract to H65 as an entity comprising of two people. Autumn couldn't just be like "oh, one half of you has to go." She would have to fire The Exes and as such, both of them.

At that point Gunnar would then be in breach of contract if he just said "eff all y'all" and joined her band.