S31.E05: The Leak

[OnceSane]

An anonymous Internet leak impacts Jenna and creates major drama inside and outside the house.

[Lantern7]

There will be an "After Show" following the episode. I'm passing up both on Thursday so I can focus on Archer.

[kitten59]

Good God. If Jenna appears in magazines (even tattoo mags which don't exactly have really high standards) then they must have to do a shit ton of Photoshopping.

[ghertigirl]

Chris sucks. Jenna is dumb. She needs to be educated, if anything and while she is dumb, I don't think she has a desire to deeply hurt others. Chris clearly does have an agenda to hurt others.

He is also a coward. For all his talk about wanting to start conversations and not wanting to tell Jenna the truth, that sure all went out the window as soon as there was a risk of him going home if he didn't tell her the truth.

[fetching]

Jenna might not be the most progressive person ever, but a little kindness to her while in the house and she might actually grow a little out of her shell. Chris is a bully. All of them are bullies, but he's the worst. 

[scrb]

The only mitigating factor might be that he had such a horrible experience with the Mormon Church, he took it out on Jenna.

Whatever his intentions, the way he harangued her just made her more obstinate, so it's a horrible situation, even before the leak.

[liqidclark]

I have some questions. First, what is the big deal, Jenna? Second, what is the big deal, Chris? And finally, what is the big deal, Real World producers? Is Jenna's exposure the big deal? Is Chris's exposure as the one who exposed Jenna the big deal? Or is the show's exposure as the organization that exposed Chris for exposing Jenna the big deal?

 

And if any of that is a big deal, why did the only rational cast member, Ceejai, point out that everyone already knows exposure is a standard part of this process? And why, after pointing that out, is it all still a big deal?

 

In conclusion, what is this episode even about?

[bblancobrnx]

Wow I am just dumbfounded by these people. I must remember that they are in their early twenties. I think I have finally outgrown this idiocy

[jenrising]

Yeah, I'm not sure why anyone cares that what people say on a television show is getting made public. It's not like the producers weren't going to show the hateful shit that dribbles out of Jenna's mouth. The only people who have a reason to get mad is the show, because their latest racist barbie storyline got spoiled ahead of time.

 

Chris is pretty insufferable, but I imagine it's like any new convert to something, he's going 150%. Hopefully he'll grow the hell up. 

 

Aside from that, I don't have a tiny bit of sympathy for Jenna. She's not ignorant, she's a bigot. It's not about education. She's been clear: she knows black people and gay people already, and still holds hateful views.

Edited April 15, 2016 by jenrising

[Jenkins]

Gotta agree with all the above.

 

You are being filmed 24/7, why do you need to "leak" anything? The producers drool at the thought of someone being racist or homophobic on this show, they certainly weren't going to try and hide it.

 

VERY cowardly of Chris to not only do what he did but to let the other girl (still can't remember all their names) take the blame.

 

And Jenna (you know they read this stuff at some point) if you don't want to be labeled a racist or homophobe, here's an idea....don't SAY racist and homophobic things! Difficult concept to grasp, I know, but there you go. Oh and don't wear a confederate flag tank top. You see, a lot of people are offended by that despite what YOU think it represents. You know it, we know.

 

For those that didn't watch the after show, she strongly denied flying any confederate flag herself, but then admitted to wearing a tank top with it on it. As if that is better. She seriously looked REALLY bad on that after show. I would be amazed if that poor girl has an IQ above 90.

 

And one last thing, quit fucking using "being from the south" as an excuse for your ignorance. My family is from the south and not one damn person in it is racist or homophobic.

 

Having said all that, I do think ANYONE can change. But they have to recognize the problem before they can fix it. And as of the after show (whenever that was taped), she is still in strong denial.

[Cherry Cola]

I wanted to like Chris, and it is sad what he has been through. That sucks. That being said, he has no right to be a bully to Jenna. I think the leak was disgusting. I think Jenna is right in what she said in the episode, that he wants everyone to agree with his opinion, but he won't listen to anyone else. He is intolerant of differences, but wants people to accept him. Just be nice! He was so mean on the after show too. People are different! We are not meant to be the same. How boring would that be?

My fave has quickly become Dione. He is a happy, crazy guy and makes me laugh.

[scrb]

When they asked Dionne what he does for money, he didn't say he lives at home with parents who indulge his lazy, non-working lifestyle.

[Racj82]

I have some questions. First, what is the big deal, Jenna? Second, what is the big deal, Chris? And finally, what is the big deal, Real World producers? Is Jenna's exposure the big deal? Is Chris's exposure as the one who exposed Jenna the big deal? Or is the show's exposure as the organization that exposed Chris for exposing Jenna the big deal?

And if any of that is a big deal, why did the only rational cast member, Ceejai, point out that everyone already knows exposure is a standard part of this process? And why, after pointing that out, is it all still a big deal?

In conclusion, what is this episode even about?

Why is it big deal to Jenna? That's seems pretty clear. No one wants to be looked at that way (racist or homophobic) even if you put on yourself if truly don't feel that way. Why is it a big deal to Chris? He's personally offended as many would be. He's also taking his issues with the church out on Jenna.The real world producers - they have a juicy storyline. Same as Dustin with his porn past. Juicy stories like that always get major coverage in the house. What else do they have to do? Real World struck a goldmine drama and they are mining for that gold like they always do.

Jenna ain't wrong either. All anyone is talking about regarding this show is her and what she has said. She put herself in this situation buts it's also a big deal.

If you are as blind to how messed up the things you say are as Jenna is, this will be shocking to you. It's also a totally different to experience the backlash while going through the experience itself. Also you have someone seemingly trying to run you down to the public without having the chance to defend yourself. Independent of rather or not Jenna is wrong for her words and actions, these are still issues that are big deals.

Edited April 15, 2016 by Racj82

[lavenderpenguin]

I wanted to like Chris, and it is sad what he has been through. That sucks. That being said, he has no right to be a bully to Jenna. I think the leak was disgusting. I think Jenna is right in what she said in the episode, that he wants everyone to agree with his opinion, but he won't listen to anyone else. He is intolerant of differences, but wants people to accept him. Just be nice! He was so mean on the after show too. People are different! We are not meant to be the same. How boring would that be?

My fave has quickly become Dione. He is a happy, crazy guy and makes me laugh.

 

Yes, it would be oh so boring if there weren't some "different" homophobes and racists to shake things up, right?! Chris clearly didn't care about Jenna's Mormonism for the first two weeks of filming (when they were besties) -- until he got fed up of her tirelessly repeating the same old offensive lines about gay/Black/*insert minority of choice here* people and acting as if Chris should feel #blessed that she decided to befriend him despite his sexuality. Everyone has a limit, and clearly, Kaila and Chris reached theirs more quickly than the others.

 

I don't think Jenna is an evil person, but I think she is consciously aware that her statements are hurtful and offensive, but has no desire to curb her behavior -- and you know why? Because she's selfish. She thinks that her RIGHT to say offensive shit is more important than the others' RIGHT to be offended. Essentially, she wants to be given carte blanche to say ridiculously rude things because she's a "cute southern belle" without the ugly label of 'racist' or 'homophobe.' But the real world doesn't work like that -- if you spout offensive crap, be prepared for people to call you out on it, and even *gasp* talk shit about you/not want to be friends! The horror! 

Edited April 15, 2016 by lavenderpenguin

[Cherry Cola]

Yes, it would be oh so boring if there weren't some "different" homophobes and racists to shake things up, right?! Chris clearly didn't care about Jenna's Mormonism for the first two weeks of filming (when they were besties) -- until he got fed up of her tirelessly repeating the same old offensive lines about gay/Black/*insert minority of choice here* people and acting as if Chris should feel #blessed that she decided to befriend him despite his sexuality. Everyone has a limit, and clearly, Kaila and Chris reached theirs more quickly than the others.

 

I don't think Jenna is an evil person, but I think she is consciously aware that her statements are hurtful and offensive, but has no desire to curb her behavior -- and you know why? Because she's selfish. She thinks that her RIGHT to say offensive shit is more important than the others' RIGHT to be offended. Essentially, she wants to be given carte blanche to say ridiculously rude things because she's a "cute southern belle" without the ugly label of 'racist' or 'homophobe.' But the real world doesn't work like that -- if you spout offensive crap, be prepared for people to call you out on it, and even *gasp* talk shit about you/not want to be friends! The horror!

Just to be clear , I wasn't talking about racist etc. Just saying people are different and have different opinions and views and can still be nice.

[Lantern7]

Chris is a little bitch. I'm sorry, but I can't root for a curbstomp on Jenna, even if her outlook on life needs some adjusting. If he really wanted to score points with viewers, he would have told Jenna that owning up to the leak was a "mission," and failure to have done so would have resulted in his expulsion. Oh, and if things had dragged on for a few more days, Jenna would have given Kailah the beating Chris clearly deserved. Note to any Brooklynites reading this . . . disown Chris's punk ass ASAP.

 

I guess the only people to root for on this cast are Ceejai and Sabrina. And maybe Dean, but he deserved to lose $200 loaning it to Dione. When MTV pulls the plug on The Challenge, Johnny won't be alone on the street with Dione around. That guy is a jackass.

 

ETA: If Jenna is reading this, I'd recommend reading Jon Ronson's So You've Been Publically Shamed. It's mostly about people who said or did the wrong thing that wound up destroying them, and how they tried to drag themselves back up.

[scrb]

Well I didn't hear about this leak when the show was filming.  Nobody posted it in the media thread either.

 

Probably the local media in Jenna's hometown highlighted it so that's how her mother was saying it was all over the media and Internet.

 

It is kind of interesting how two kids brought up in the Mormon faith reacted to it by their young adulthood.  Chris had a bad experience in it and kind of went to the opposite extreme, embracing alternative lifestyle.  Even without the abuse, he may not have stuck with the religion.  Seems like he could be gay (though he says pansexual) so he might have eventually decided there was no place for him in the church.  I guess growing up in Utah, he was probably more steeped in the traditions and that famous cathedral.

 

Jenna professes her relationship to God but that sounds more evangelical than Mormon.  She doesn't practice the strict rules nor probably attend church that much but she defends it as fiercely as she does the Confederate flag.  I think in an earlier episode, she talked about resisting the politically correct world views pushed by Democrats.  So she's steeped in the very culturally conservative traditions of her home town, state, region.  

 

But she alludes to going through some hard times as well, such as losing the family home.  So maybe she fell back on all these religious and political ideas, even though she probably doesn't understand them very well.

[lavenderpenguin]

Well I didn't hear about this leak when the show was filming.  Nobody posted it in the media thread either.

 

Probably the local media in Jenna's hometown highlighted it so that's how her mother was saying it was all over the media and Internet.

 

It is kind of interesting how two kids brought up in the Mormon faith reacted to it by their young adulthood.  Chris had a bad experience in it and kind of went to the opposite extreme, embracing alternative lifestyle.  Even without the abuse, he may not have stuck with the religion.  Seems like he could be gay (though he says pansexual) so he might have eventually decided there was no place for him in the church.  I guess growing up in Utah, he was probably more steeped in the traditions and that famous cathedral.

 

Jenna professes her relationship to God but that sounds more evangelical than Mormon.  She doesn't practice the strict rules nor probably attend church that much but she defends it as fiercely as she does the Confederate flag.  I think in an earlier episode, she talked about resisting the politically correct world views pushed by Democrats.  So she's steeped in the very culturally conservative traditions of her home town, state, region.  

 

But she alludes to going through some hard times as well, such as losing the family home.  So maybe she fell back on all these religious and political ideas, even though she probably doesn't understand them very well.

 

I think you are correct. I also don't think Jenna has ever had much reason to question her faith or think about her "southern traditions" critically, because she's a religious, white, heterosexual girl in south, likely surrounded by similar folks. Chris, on the other hand, was forced to examine his faith because of his sexuality/sexual abuse and how that [didn't] fit into the Mormon lifestyle.

[Trace]

Sorry Real World bullies, but Jenna has every right to have her opinions as your ignorant asses do.  You're so liberal and open minded....UNTIL someone disagrees with you.  THEN you must "educate" them.  How utterly benevolent of you!!! Bitches please! GTFO with the quickness. Maybe someday you will grow up and realize what's really important and...... newsflash!!!! Ganging up on someone who has an opposing thought aint it.

Edited April 16, 2016 by Trace

[Trace]

And who was it - maybe Theo from RW Chicago?? Who claimed that bisexuals were "just greedy".  I'd love to hear what he would have to say about a self-proclaimed "PAN sexual".

[NikSac]

Sorry Real World bullies, but Jenna has every right to have her opinions as your ignorant asses do.  You're so liberal and open minded....UNTIL someone disagrees with you.  THEN you must "educate" them.  How utterly benevolent of you!!! Bitches please! GTFO with the quickness. Maybe someday you will grow up and realize what's really important and...... newsflash!!!! Ganging up on someone who has an opposing thought aint it.

 

Very well said. I've been trying to figure out how to say this without sounding like a jerk, and you did a great job.

 

I know someone who claims to be the most loving, tolerant, all-inclusive person in the world - but the minute you disagree with any of her opinions she's pretty hateful. Not saying I agree with Jenna on pretty much anything, because I don't, but she was raised differently and thinks differently. Ganging up on her for that seems pretty wrong.

[lavenderpenguin]

Sorry Real World bullies, but Jenna has every right to have her opinions as your ignorant asses do.  You're so liberal and open minded....UNTIL someone disagrees with you.  THEN you must "educate" them.  How utterly benevolent of you!!! Bitches please! GTFO with the quickness. Maybe someday you will grow up and realize what's really important and...... newsflash!!!! Ganging up on someone who has an opposing thought aint it.

 

Yes, she needed to be "educated," because Jenna clearly lives in a bubble, where she doesn't understand how her actions or words affect others. She has every right to her opinions, but the rest of us have the *same right* to call her out as the bigot she is. Every action has a consequence -- the problem is that Jenna believes that she can act however she pleases, without others commenting, judging, or reacting negatively. And that's simply not how life works.

 

It's easy to pretend that racist, homophobic, and other biased comments are just a "different opinion," when you are a relatively privileged person (aka a white, heterosexual, Christian woman). But it's not that simple for those of us in less privileged positions. For instance, Jenna doesn't think that there's anything wrong -- or anyone should be upset -- that she runs around with a confederate flag on her shirt and thinks that others are "close-minded" because they don't love her "southern traditions." But that's where her ignorance kicks in -- she really believes that this is just about differing opinions! No, no, it's not -- because when a minority (like myself) sees that confederate flag, I think I'm in real, physical danger -- that the person wearing it is a REAL threat to me, my safety, and my self-respect and that I'm unwelcome in that space. 

 

Words and actions have repercussions, and Jenna needs to learn that. She can say whatever she pleases -- that's her right -- but it's also everyone else's right to be offended, talk trash, or tell her she's a bigot. 

Very well said. I've been trying to figure out how to say this without sounding like a jerk, and you did a great job.

 

I know someone who claims to be the most loving, tolerant, all-inclusive person in the world - but the minute you disagree with any of her opinions she's pretty hateful. Not saying I agree with Jenna on pretty much anything, because I don't, but she was raised differently and thinks differently. Ganging up on her for that seems pretty wrong.

 

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that perhaps her opinions strike you as simply "different," and not hateful, because you aren't directly affected by them. I think that's why Chris has been the most upset by her comments -- she directly insults and disrespects him with every word out of her mouth (calling him a devil worshipper? saying that gay sex disgusts her and by default, he disgusts her?). To me, as a minority, her discussion of how X people act this way, or Y people act that way, or her confederate flag shirt, is hurtful, tells me she is a threat, and makes me deeply uncomfortable. It's not about being different; it's about how her way of thinking is a DIRECT THREAT to me and who I am.

[shelley1234]

I have absolutely NO problem with Chris leaking the information and having it posted online the horrible things Jenna said because I believe in being held accountable for your words and actions.  However in the very same breath...that is why I DO have a problem with Chris.  If you are so called to do that, don't be a coward and don't own up to it.  He is also accountable for his actions and words.  Goose.  Gander.  

[RCharter]

Jenna might not be the most progressive person ever, but a little kindness to her while in the house and she might actually grow a little out of her shell. Chris is a bully. All of them are bullies, but he's the worst. 

Everyone in that house has tried to be nice to Jenna and calmly explain to her what the problem is.  Her constant response is to say that everyone else is wrong and she is right and everyone is mean and misunderstood her "jokes."  Chris tried to explain things to her, Dean has tried to explain things to her.  There is no need for kindness with someone who is a racist homophobe.  Maybe if she was a little kinder to others, than she would deserve any kindness in return, but she and her snaggletooth can catch to stepping.

I have absolutely NO problem with Chris leaking the information and having it posted online the horrible things Jenna said because I believe in being held accountable for your words and actions.  However in the very same breath...that is why I DO have a problem with Chris.  If you are so called to do that, don't be a coward and don't own up to it.  He is also accountable for his actions and words.  Goose.  Gander.  

exactly, he was really gonna let Kaliah take the blame for whatever he did...maybe including getting beaten up for it.  

[RCharter]

I wanted to like Chris, and it is sad what he has been through. That sucks. That being said, he has no right to be a bully to Jenna. I think the leak was disgusting. I think Jenna is right in what she said in the episode, that he wants everyone to agree with his opinion, but he won't listen to anyone else. He is intolerant of differences, but wants people to accept him. Just be nice! He was so mean on the after show too. People are different! We are not meant to be the same. How boring would that be?

My fave has quickly become Dione. He is a happy, crazy guy and makes me laugh.

But they have listened to her opinion.  When she is challenged about said opinions, they magically become "jokes" that aren't funny, and its everyone else's fault for not getting her jokes about how she is disgusted by gay sex, or about "how black people are."  I don't think Chris is a bully, because I think people as ignorant as Jenna should be confronted with their ignorance at every turn.  You can have your opinion, but people have the right to question and confront and disagree with that opinion.  And I like that he points out how hypocritical she is and how she doesn't really have any factual basis for any of her opinions.  If you can't stand to have your opinions "picked apart," it may be because you have absolutely no logic or thought behind them.

[shelley1234]

I am actually quite surprised that MTV didn't have them sign non-disclosures pertaining to anything until the show airs...that is so standard these days on reality tv shows.  

 

I did appreciate Chris confronting Jenna on how she uses Mormonism as an excuse for her prejudiced beliefs, but that she follows little to none of the actual rules of the religion.  I am surprised she hasn't been excommunicated.  I remember the problems that Julie had back in the day from BYU because she lived in a mixed gender house while on TRW and kissed a boy.  *shocked face*  I guess the Mormon religion has had to slack their standards since way back when.  

[RCharter]

I am actually quite surprised that MTV didn't have them sign non-disclosures pertaining to anything until the show airs...that is so standard these days on reality tv shows.  

 

I did appreciate Chris confronting Jenna on how she uses Mormonism as an excuse for her prejudiced beliefs, but that she follows little to none of the actual rules of the religion.  I am surprised she hasn't been excommunicated.  I remember the problems that Julie had back in the day from BYU because she lived in a mixed gender house while on TRW and kissed a boy.  *shocked face*  I guess the Mormon religion has had to slack their standards since way back when.  

I actually thought it might have been a producer who leaked it.  It seems like a good way for them to get press and interest before the show airs.

 

However, I'm guessing they figured that they couldn't really stop it either way.  Even if they had to sign NDA's, how are you going to sue a guy like Dione?  What are you going to sue him for?  His colorful collection of carney clothing and costumes?  The $200 he owes Dean?  A lot of those kids probably don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.

[shelley1234]

I actually thought it might have been a producer who leaked it.  It seems like a good way for them to get press and interest before the show airs.

 

However, I'm guessing they figured that they couldn't really stop it either way.  Even if they had to sign NDA's, how are you going to sue a guy like Dione?  What are you going to sue him for?  His colorful collection of carney clothing and costumes?  The $200 he owes Dean?  A lot of those kids probably don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.

 

I am actually just watching the After Show now...and just saw that they did have it in their contracts and the producers told him that if he did it again, he'd be kicked out.  So never mind!  I guess it was too much drama to want to kick him out of the house and that makes sense given it is MTV. 

 

Edited:  Grammar

Edited April 17, 2016 by shelley1005

[RCharter]

I am actually just watching the After Show now...and just saw that they did have it in their contracts and the producers told him that if he did it again, he'd be kicked out.  So never mind!  I guess it was too much drama to want to kick him out of the house and that makes since given it is MTV. 

Oh wow, thats interesting.  I just thought they would see it as free advertising for the show!

[lilithred]

I must be one of the few people who does not give a single fuck about Chris "leaking" this oh so confidential, top secret information that happened to be filmed and soon to be aired on national television, anyway. Jenna said EXACTLY what Chris said she said in his post. He didn't lie. He didn't embellish. He didn't paint her in a way that she didn't paint herself. I don't even care that he hid it from everyone. I actually LOVED what he said about why he didn't want to confess to it, because then the issue becomes exactly what this entire stupid ass episode was about, "who leaked the info", instead of the fact that Jenna is an ignorant, offensive piece of shit.

 

How in the fuck can Jenna sit there with a straight face and say her life is "ruined" because of Chris' leak when SHE SAID WHAT HE SAID SHE SAID? Like? That is one of the most ridiculous thing I think I've ever witnessed in my life.

 

As far as him needing to respect Jenna's way of thinking....nope, NOPE, you do not have a "right to your opinion" when your opinion disrespects someone else's existence. I have absolutely zero respect for Jenna, Jenna's "opinions", and people who think like Jenna. Because racism and homophobia are not "matters of opinion". That way of thinking is wrong, period, and does not deserve any respect. Although I didn't see it that way, I don't even care if Chris was bullying her. Good. Excellent. Please pick these morons apart at every turn until they're forced to confront the fact that their mentalities are disgusting and need to be changed. Maybe his approach was not exactly effective or a good course of action to reach a goal of getting her to understand his POV, but I don't blame him one bit for his behavior. Relateable and absolutely more than understandable, when her "opinion" directly offends who he is as an individual.

Edited April 18, 2016 by lilithred

[shelley1234]

I must be one of the few people who does not give a single fuck about Chris "leaking" this oh so confidential, top secret information that happened to be filmed and soon to be aired on national television, anyway. Jenna said EXACTLY what Chris said she said in his post. He didn't lie. He didn't embellish. He didn't paint her in a way that she didn't paint herself. I don't even care that he hid it from everyone. I actually LOVED what he said about why he didn't want to confess to it, because then the issue becomes exactly what this entire stupid ass episode was about, "who leaked the info", instead of the fact that Jenna is an ignorant, offensive piece of shit.

 

 

I call BS on that one.  The episode ended up being all about "who leaked the info" was caused by Chris and his cowardice.  He didn't want to admit it was him because he knew his roommates wouldn't agree with what he did...and so he was willing to sit in the dark and let another roommate get blamed.  Sitting silent is not an honorable move of someone who wants to start a national conversation on issues of hate and prejudice.  

 

I have no issue that he leaked it either, but what he did afterwards was the definition of cowardice.  If you can talk the talk...walk the walk.  

[Craphole Island]

My issue with Chris leaking the info is twofold:

1) As has been said, this was all gonna come out anyways because they are being filmed for a tv show. Just let it all happen naturally and let people watch the show when it comes out. If Chris is really all about advocating change or whatever he said, then he should spend time trying to educate Jenna on why he disagrees with her views (the way Ceejai has said she wants to) instead of writing a rant and having it published while still filming. Do I think he probably tried a little? Yes and I also think Jenna probably still wouldn't learn, but still.

2) He was well aware that Jenna and most of them believed it was Kailah who leaked it and he had no problem with people believing it. Hell, Jenna was ready to throw down.

Lastly and unrelated: but Jenna's mom sounds like she's pretty terrible based on their phone calls.

[UniqBlue69]

Chris is a little bitch. I'm sorry, but I can't root for a curbstomp on Jenna, even if her outlook on life needs some adjusting.

 

Coral "bullied" Mike after he made ignorant remarks and you love her. Why is that?

[lavenderpenguin]

My issue with Chris leaking the info is twofold:

1) As has been said, this was all gonna come out anyways because they are being filmed for a tv show. Just let it all happen naturally and let people watch the show when it comes out. If Chris is really all about advocating change or whatever he said, then he should spend time trying to educate Jenna on why he disagrees with her views (the way Ceejai has said she wants to) instead of writing a rant and having it published while still filming. Do I think he probably tried a little? Yes and I also think Jenna probably still wouldn't learn, but still.

2) He was well aware that Jenna and most of them believed it was Kailah who leaked it and he had no problem with people believing it. Hell, Jenna was ready to throw down.

Lastly and unrelated: but Jenna's mom sounds like she's pretty terrible based on their phone calls.

 

I think Jenna's conversations with her mother shed a lot of light on why she is the way she is. Like I said, I don't think she's an evil person, but she does need to be taught that her opinions and her behavior are unacceptable, offensive, and honestly, just plain embarrassing. I honestly don't think she realizes that when she goes on and on about "southern tradition" and "how rednecks do it," that she's not coming across as this cute southern belle, but more like (and apologies in advance for anyone who might be offended by this term) a caricature of backwoods trailer trash. It's not cute, but it's clearly learned behavior from her mother, whose first response is to tell her daughter to get physical when she has a problem with someone.

Edited April 18, 2016 by lavenderpenguin

[RCharter]

The thing I noticed about Jenna's mom is how excited she was to give Jenna the news that people hated her on social media.  She sounded damn near gleeful telling her how much people wanted her to get her ass beaten or to be removed from the show.  I assume her mother is as much a barely educated illiterate moron as Jenna, so hearing her to tell her to take her earrings off and fight people because they are Democrats didn't shock me in the least....but I'm a little disturbed that anyone's mother is so happy that they are hated.

[Lantern7]

UniqBlue69 . . . Coral never took to the Internet while the show was filming to announce that Mike was a racist. This season, Chris is lucky he got a mere warning for violating confidential papers. One bright side to his being exposed . . . he'll probably never get to do a Challenge. Nobody would trust him. No big loss there.

[Hiacios]

I wanted to like Chris, and it is sad what he has been through. That sucks. That being said, he has no right to be a bully to Jenna. I think the leak was disgusting. I think Jenna is right in what she said in the episode, that he wants everyone to agree with his opinion, but he won't listen to anyone else. He is intolerant of differences, but wants people to accept him. Just be nice! He was so mean on the after show too. People are different! We are not meant to be the same. How boring would that be?

My fave has quickly become Dione. He is a happy, crazy guy and makes me laugh.

I agree with everything you said about the bully Chris. I think he is a cowardly and ignorant person, and he reminds me of a rebellious child that has a disagreement with his parents and tries to do anything and everything just to fight with them. I also find it very contradicting that Chris is wearing a cross around his neck when he is supposed to be a so called pansexual and atheist. smh.

Edited April 19, 2016 by Hiacios

[RCharter]

I agree with everything you said about the bully Chris. I think he is a cowardly and ignorant person, and he reminds me of a rebellious child that has a disagreement with his parents and tries to do anything and everything just to fight with them. I also find it very contradicting that Chris is wearing a cross around his neck when he is supposed to be a so called pansexual and atheist. smh.

Has Chris said anything about why he wears the cross around his neck?  If not, you literally have no idea why Chris would choose to wear a cross around his neck.  If he doesn't believe in god and simply thinks of it as a symbol or as something that is pretty that doesn't mean he is contradicting himself.  Its only of religious importance to those who believe in the religion.

Edited April 19, 2016 by RCharter

[Stinger97]

When discussing religious symbols and how someone may perceive them, please do so with respect. The last two posts were moving into a heated territory and were deleted. If you find yourself becoming heated about someone's opinion regarding this show, remember that we're watching a bunch of homely looking people get drunk in Vegas. It ain't that serious, y'all. 

[lilithred]

I also find it very contradicting that Chris is wearing a cross around his neck when he is supposed to be a so called pansexual and atheist. smh.

 

[snip] He could just like how it looks. And even if he were to wear it in a religious sense, what does being a "so called pansexual" have to do with that? 

Edited April 20, 2016 by Stinger97

[laschifosavita]

The thing that gets me is that this is The Real World.  The whole point is that you are going to live with people that are wildly different from you.  I am sympathetic to Chris, but I think he is deluding himself if he thinks this was about starting a conversation.  Legally, Jenna could not participate in that conversation, because she couldn't make any sort of reply online.  He set up a situation that he could say whatever he wanted and she would be unable to defend herself.  I think she probably would have dug herself a deeper hole, but I think the show hid just how cruel what he did was.  She went on The Real World with a contract, and one of her roommates completely changed the terms.  The other roommates agreed with him about Jenna's views, and I also agree, but he's making the house uncomfortable, which includes other people impacted by the things she has said.

 

I agree that I don't see Chris being able to be successful on The Challenge after this, if that's something he wants to do.  The cast has always kept quiet about certain things that go on during filming, and I would guess that he would have to prove that he's trustworthy.

 

I was glad that Dione stopped panhandling on his own.  I think that's a good sign.  I got my fingers crossed that he's one of the ones that we see grow into an okay guy after a dozen or so Challenges.

[LoneHaranguer]

On 4/17/2016 at 5:59 PM, RCharter said:

I don't think Chris is a bully, because I think people as ignorant as Jenna should be confronted with their ignorance at every turn.

On some issues, Jenna isn't the one who's ignorant. A person's natural sexuality falls in a range, it's not an either/or, and folks in the middle may decide to primarily pursue relationships with their own gender, so she was absolutely right in saying that some people choose to be gay and for others it's not a choice; the group didn't want to hear it and called that homophobic.

[RCharter]

2 minutes ago, LoneHaranguer said:

On some issues, Jenna isn't the one who's ignorant. A person's natural sexuality falls in a range, it's not an either/or, and folks in the middle may decide to primarily pursue relationships with their own gender, so she was absolutely right in saying that some people choose to be gay and for others it's not a choice; the group didn't want to hear it and called that homophobic.

I don't think that your relationships make you gay or not gay.  I think that your feelings make you gay or not gay, or somewhere in between.  A gay person can have a relationship with the opposite sex for any number of reasons, in the past, and even now, because they have been too embarrassed to come out.  That person, to me, is no less gay than a person who is out and having a relationship with a person of the same gender.

In short, its your feelings (which are guided by your DNA), not your actions IMO, that determine your sexual preference.  Therefore it is not really a choice, since I don't believe people choose who they are naturally attracted to.

[LoneHaranguer]

6 hours ago, RCharter said:

In short, its your feelings (which are guided by your DNA), not your actions IMO, that determine your sexual preference.  Therefore it is not really a choice, since I don't believe people choose who they are naturally attracted to.

For most people, yes, but what if your DNA truly doesn't push you one way or the other? Then you might develop a preference anyway, and for all practical purposes have chosen your sexuality.

[RCharter]

8 hours ago, LoneHaranguer said:

For most people, yes, but what if your DNA truly doesn't push you one way or the other? Then you might develop a preference anyway, and for all practical purposes have chosen your sexuality.

Then you're probably pan sexual or bi sexual....which again, is not a choice.  Your DNA determines your sexuality, not your relationships.