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Lol. I was gonna write a long winded response but this post here reminded me why I better not bother and just laugh instead.

Man, this whole shitty season has been worth sitting through just to watch that 10 second footage of Jenna making a fool of herself and getting flung around like a rag doll after being the one to initiate the physical altercation. She literally bumped her head on the coffee table or chair or whatever it was she was clinging to. Hilarious. Ceejai handled the whole situation really well, so good for her.

[snip] He could just like how it looks. And even if he were to wear it in a religious sense, what does being a "so called pansexual" have to do with that?

I must be one of the few people who does not give a single fuck about Chris "leaking" this oh so confidential, top secret information that happened to be filmed and soon to be aired on national television, anyway. Jenna said EXACTLY what Chris said she said in his post. He didn't lie. He didn't embellish. He didn't paint her in a way that she didn't paint herself. I don't even care that he hid it from everyone. I actually LOVED what he said about why he didn't want to confess to it, because then the issue becomes exactly what this entire stupid ass episode was about, "who leaked the info", instead of the fact that Jenna is an ignorant, offensive piece of shit. How in the fuck can Jenna sit there with a straight face and say her life is "ruined" because of Chris' leak when SHE SAID WHAT HE SAID SHE SAID? Like? That is one of the most ridiculous thing I think I've ever witnessed in my life. As far as him needing to respect Jenna's way of thinking....nope, NOPE, you do not have a "right to your opinion" when your opinion disrespects someone else's existence. I have absolutely zero respect for Jenna, Jenna's "opinions", and people who think like Jenna. Because racism and homophobia are not "matters of opinion". That way of thinking is wrong, period, and does not deserve any respect. Although I didn't see it that way, I don't even care if Chris was bullying her. Good. Excellent. Please pick these morons apart at every turn until they're forced to confront the fact that their mentalities are disgusting and need to be changed. Maybe his approach was not exactly effective or a good course of action to reach a goal of getting her to understand his POV, but I don't blame him one bit for his behavior. Relateable and absolutely more than understandable, when her "opinion" directly offends who he is as an individual.

So to all those people who were mad at Iris for finally being honest with herself, confessing her feelings for Barry, and being "disloyal" to Eddie, are you happy now that she rejected Barry and is choosing to stay faithful to a relationship that her heart is not truly in? Do you love her now?

The things I hated: - The constant references to Iris and Barry's sibling nature. This show has literally NEVER done that before, and all of a sudden, in the same episode that they kiss, Joe calls Barry his adopted son, someone calls Barry Iris's brother, and Iris looks at Barry and asks where "dad" is? What? Whyyy? That is so weird. It's just SO weird. I hated it. - The cattiness between Linda and Iris. How gross. Stop it, show. Don't go there. - Barry and his juggling act with Iris and Linda. I understand that he's been in love with Iris his whole life. I understand that he's human and some feelings may linger. But dude, you're actively leading another woman on when you date her, and then turn around and ask about "dating advice" regarding Iris. He flat out LIED to her about being over Iris. It's so shitty. And honestly, Linda hasn't been with Barry long enough for me to believe she'd put up with him constantly sidelining her in favor of Iris. - Eddie "suddenly" feeling the third wheel around Barry and Iris when that's never happened before. If anything, the whole love confession should have made things awkward between them, but instead, they were all over each other during the double date. How is Eddie JUST NOW noticing that they're too touchy feely? It should have been that can't talk/joke with each other like they used to, and Eddie noticing and wondering why something has changed. Instead, he's upset about a dynamic that's always been there. This whole "love square" is turning out to be really poorly written, IMO. I was gonna mention some issues I had with Iris's actions, but the Iris hate in this thread is so gross, I can't contribute to it, lmao. Why is the woman always the bad guy? What a mess. Things I liked: Everything else. Cute kiss between Westallen. The RF reveal. Cisco and Wells scene. Great stuff. It's just lame af that it's all going to be erased and everyone will go back to being clueless idiots again.

What a mess. Caroline wasn't trying to force him into doing or becoming anything. She just wanted an answer and he couldn't give her one. Caroline is a being a "total bitch" because her humanity is off, not because Stefan didn't want to go out with her. Stefan admitting to some kind of feelings for her would have given Caroline a reason not to flip her switch, but she did it because her mom died. No one is blaming Stefan except Stefan, because he is the type of man that wracks himself with guilt even when things aren't his fault. It's the type of character that he is and it's who he's always been. Why are people blaming Caroline for something Stefan is doing to himself?

Great episode. One of the bests of the season. I agree with the poster who said it felt like old TVD where so many things are going on and you don't even have time to process it. I missed that. The beginning scene with the whole gang sleeping on the floor in support of Caroline touched my heart. Especially seeing Tyler there. Never did care about Forwood one way or the other, but it's nice that even though they aren't on the best of terms (did we ever see them make up?), he's still there for her at this difficult time like this. Although I initially hated that they were doing the humanity thing with Caroline (they don't even bother pretending they haven't run out of ideas, do they?), I've grown to accept it and anticipate what's in store for her character. Caroline's speech at the end hit so close to home. Great acting from Candice. That Bamon hug was adorable. It was just super, super cute. The only time I've ever found Damon tolerable is with Bonnie. Finally, I loved Stefan's "love epiphany" and what he said about having something with Caroline that could be greater than than the messed up, doppelganger, "love at first sight" stuff he's had with Katherine and Elena. It's pretty much exactly the way I've been feeling as I've watched Caroline and Stefan's little romance unfold. He's never fallen in love slowly, over time, and I think that's why it took him so long to realize what was happening. Because it was so unlike any type of love he's felt before. One based on friendship and support and just enjoying being around one another, not seeing someone for the first time and feeling like you "have" to know them. I'm just really, really satisfied with what they've done with Steroline. And at this point, especially considering that Stefan flat out said that what he feels for Caroline could be "even better" than his past loves, I think it's very likely that they're endgame and that's exciting to me.

Oh, FFS. I don't think Iris was in the wrong last night, but even if she was, so what? She's human. She's allowed to make mistakes and say and do dumb things based on messy, confusing emotions. I don't want a female protagonist who's supposed to be portrayed as being perfect or in the right all the time. Goodness. Let her live. Besides, given all the emotionally manipulative actions Barry has taken against Iris, I'd say they are quite even now. I don't hate either of them. I don't have a real problem with any of their actions. Neither of them came off looking fantastic after this episode, but that's okay. That is what makes them interesting to me.

I'm so glad they're back to being friends and you're actually SEEING how they feel about each other and why it would work. He calms down her crazy and she makes him laugh. I know it was all part of their story and how they come to realize they have deeper feelings for each other, but for me, they just don't work as the "angsty couple". It damn near ruined them, because it was so unlike anything we've seen from them before. What made Steroline so cute, what makes them currently is so cute, is that they are just best friends who enjoy each other's company and somewhere deep down, maybe it's something more. If I never have to see them argue or walk away from each other again, I'll be just fine.

You're right, that's true. But there was a moment where they laughed and stared at each other like it was about to happen before she started crying. I'm pretty sure it would have had she not. This IS quite an awkward for them to get together and I can bet that because Caroline overheard Stefan's promise to her mom, when he DOES realize/admit his feelings for her, she won't be receptive because she will believe he's doing it out of pity or obligation.

I know I'm probably in the minority, but...goodness gracious, Steroline is so cute. They are saving this show for me. They are just cute, cute, cute. I wasn't crazy about all the angsty stuff between them in the beginning of the season, but this is what I loved about them in Season 4 & 5. This is how they should be writing them. Just laughing and hanging out and being there for each other. They're adorable together and I love the way Stefan looks at her. I was hoping he would go in for the kiss. Maybe next week. :)

It makes her looks horrible and shallow, quite honestly. They're messing this up so badly.

Barry having THREE love interests in a single episode is just too much. This isn't a damn anime. I can't believe they are actually going there with Barry and Caitlin. I can't believe they dropped actual, undeniable romantic hints for the two of them. Why? Why couldn't it have just been Barry and Iris OR Barry and Caitlin? Why do we need both? I can't stand love triangles, and honestly, at this point, it's enough to make me want to bow out. No, but who the fuck wrote this episode because it was SO UNLIKE anything we've ever seen or heard from Barry so far? I actually had to pause and rewind the TV because I was taken aback by that line. If that's the only reason Barry has been there for Iris, he's no better than your typical "nice guy" who whines about the friendzone. It made him seem like a gross creep.

What a joke this episode was...it was like someone accidentally mixed up the script with someone's fanfic. Where did any of this come from? Are they really going to make Caitlin have a thing for Barry? What is Iris's purpose on this show? Is she really the female lead or was that the old bait and switch to get people like me watching? Did they really have her walk away from Barry like she couldn't give less a of shit about him after he showed up to help her? How is that the same girl who loved and adored him so much and was always so considerate of his feelings? Are they really only making her want him NOW because someone else does? Do they not want people to like her? What a mess. This doesn't feel like the same show I watched before the hiatus and I'm just....I never say this but...I can't even. I literally just can't even.