S05.E17: Her Handsome Hero

[Dianthus]

Regina may be less awful these days, but her interpersonal skills still need a lot of work!

 

I liked the scene with Hook, Emma, and Snow. I liked that Emma was showing some vulnerability.

 

I usually end up watching a double feature of OUaT and Grimm on Sunday nights. Guess which one I liked better.

[Camera One]

Beginning of episode: "On our northern borders, there have been skirmishes with the ogres."

 

End of episode: "It's happened, Belle. The eastern regions have been breached.  Ogres are coming."

 

This geography lesson was brought to you by... "Her Handsome Hero".  Buy the sequel today, "Her Offscreen Mother".

[twoods]

I'm a total Merlin fan girl so am waiting patiently to see if he is in the Underworld. We had to endure Zelena and Rumpbelle, why can't I get my eye candy back?

I was never bothered by Belle, but I can see her getting darker and darker to save her child. Plus, her and Rumple can be dark ones together.

Captain Swan continues to be adorable in small doses. Same with Regina and everyone. She has been pretty great in the Underworld.

[Watt]

I give up. At least I have faith Hermione won't fuck Belle up.

[dr pepper]

What happened to all the former dark ones being downstairs?

[Camera One]

Since when does Henry need to be escorted back to the apartment?   Isn't it all free and fancy free and he can go wherever he wants?  Was Henry going back for another "nap"?  

 

Was anyone else expecting Belle to grab a language translation book to talk to Ogre in his own language?

 

They did a good job of making Gaston look like Gaston from the movie, though they didn't have him show his biceps.

Edited April 12, 2016 by Camera One

[andromeda331]

Was anyone else expecting Belle to grab a language translation book to talk to Ogre in his own language?

I  was.

[Arnella]

I was so encouraged by Rumple confronting Belle with the TRUTH last episode.  But instead of looking inside herself and examining her relationship with this new insight, she doubled down on the denial and shrillness.  You, Rumple, HAVE to be GOOD because if not, I am the stupidest person in all the realms!  I only hope that Rumple can maintain some kind of balance between being loving to her and not letting her deny the truth.  I have every faith in Robert Carlyle and none in the Emilie DeRaven and the writers so only a glimmer of hope survives. 

 

Also, there was so much talk about Belle's mother, she has to be showing up soon, right?

Edited April 12, 2016 by Arnella

[CheshireCat]

dr pepper, on 12 Apr 2016 - 02:25 AM, said:

What happened to all the former dark ones being downstairs?

 

They were sucked into excalibur and then destroyed when Hook was destroyed. My interpretation was that they don't exist as a form anymore, just their power does which is why the dagger is now dark (and I kind of think it looks better now, not that it matters)

[adam807]

Rumple is such a stickler for details and the "fine print" and he didn't realize that Belle pushing Gaston into the water wouldn't count?  

 

It also didn't count because Belle DIDN'T TAKE THE DEAL. So it's entirely a moo point. UGH. They go to the trouble to replace an actor in the previouslies, but they can't remember dialogue someone said ten minutes earlier?

[Delphi]

While an argument could be made that he is the root of the reason of why everyone is where they are today. (One could even argue that he bears some of the responsibility for Belle being held captive - had Rumple not used Regina and manipulated her she would never had had a reason to hold Belle) And Rumple very much continues to manipulate as he just demonstrated in this episode.

I don't think it's fair at all to blame Rumple for Regina kidnapping and imprisoning Belle for thirty years after he released her. That's a bit much.

[Rumsy4]

It's not that they didn't remember Belle never took Hades's deal. They were going for the "shocking" twist that Belle, and not Rumple, pushes Gaston into the River. So, Belle had to act heroic and refuse to take the deal first.

 

But all her supposed "heroism" is undermined later, because after she pushes Gaston into the River, she goes, "Oh well, dude's dead anyway. Let's get Hades to tear up the contract." At the heat of the moment, Belle's reflexes took over when she pushed Gaston into the River. But it's her behavior after that that made me disgusted. She tries to leverage Gaston's murder for her benefit, and goes right back into Rumple's arms. 

 

I'm enjoying the fact that all of Rumple's previous tricks and stratagems are being handed back to him by Hades. But there's too much collateral damage. Rumple and Belle have been clearly shown to be hope-killers in this arc. I would assume this would lead to some important Rumbelle development down the line, but I have a feeling none of this will be relevant by the end of this arc.

[adam807]

It's not that they didn't remember Belle never took Hades's deal. They were going for the "shocking" twist that Belle, and not Rumple, pushes Gaston into the River. So, Belle had to act heroic and refuse to take the deal first.

 

Right, that's fine, but then Hades is like "loophole!" when the loophole is irrelevant. Just from a writing standpoint it felt sloppy to me, moral judgments of the characters aside.

[Curio]

I swear, a magic lawyer would make a killing in this universe.

I've been arguing for any semblance of law and order in the Once universe for a while now. Having just one competent lawyer around—especially one who specializes in magic law—would resolve a ton of our heroes' issues.

 

It also didn't count because Belle DIDN'T TAKE THE DEAL. So it's entirely a moo point. UGH. They go to the trouble to replace an actor in the previouslies, but they can't remember dialogue someone said ten minutes earlier?

Not only did Belle not take the deal, but even if she had said yes, there are so many easy ways Hades could have lawyered his way out of the deal. Was it a verbal agreement? Well, they didn't shake hands so the deal isn't binding. Was it a signed contract? Oh, Belle didn't read the fine print where it specified that it had to be the river of souls, and Gaston landed in the bay. 

[Rumsy4]

Right, that's fine, but then Hades is like "loophole!" when the loophole is irrelevant. Just from a writing standpoint it felt sloppy to me, moral judgments of the characters aside.

 

I think that was also a deliberate, if sloppy, writing choice. Because saying "You didn't agree to the deal" focuses the attention on Belle's naivete. Saying "You pushed Gaston into the River. So the deal is off" puts the focus on Belle's murder of Gaston.

 

But no matter how much the writers twist it, Rumpel is not going to be less of a monster becasue his wife pushed someone into the River. False equivalencies. 

Edited April 12, 2016 by Rumsy4

[WordsWordsWords]

I'm a writer, and I'm a reader. I've seen this sort of character assassination or (in milder forms) character waffling a lot in series. It's difficult to write characters who grow and change without losing track of their inner selves. It can be done, of course, but it's easy to go with the "fun plot twist" and not think of whether Character A is likely to act in that way or not. Then you have Character A acting out of character and that requires Character B, C, and W to do the same because they're all paddling around in that plot.

 

The other side of that character mess is characters who never grow or change, characters caught in the same actions over and over. We love those '50s and '60s sitcoms and dramas for that very reason. Wally and the Beav were always exactly the same, no matter how much they seemed to have learned by the end of each episode. Modern television shows (and novels) don't work that way as often, especially serialised shows like OUAT, Characters grow, change, have downfall arcs and redemption arcs, and plots build on other plots. And then the showrunner or producer gives the writers an outline with a "great new plot twist" and --boom-- the writers are writing dialogue no one ever thought would come out of those characters' mouths.

[CheshireCat]

Delphi, on 12 Apr 2016 - 2:51 PM, said:

I don't think it's fair at all to blame Rumple for Regina kidnapping and imprisoning Belle for thirty years after he released her. That's a bit much.

 

Could anyone be so kind and tell me which topic to use to answer it since an answer would have nothing to do with the episode? I'm not sure if it would go into the Rumple thread or another one since it's about my thoughts on the relationship between Rumple and Regina.

[Amerilla]

CheshireCat - probably the Villains thread. It's in the Menagerie, but you may have to scroll down to find it.

[Curio]

Could anyone be so kind and tell me which topic to use to answer it since an answer would have nothing to do with the episode? I'm not sure if it would go into the Rumple thread or another one since it's about my thoughts on the relationship between Rumple and Regina.

Either the Rumple, Regina, or catch-all Villains thread would be good.

Edit: Or what Amerilla just said.

Edited April 12, 2016 by Curio

[kili]

I think that was also a deliberate, if sloppy, writing choice. Because saying "You didn't agree to the deal" focuses the attention on Belle's naivete. Saying "You pushed Gaston into the River. So the deal is off" puts the focus on Belle's murder of Gaston.

 

I don't think the writers were being sloppy. I think it is the choice that Hades would make when presenting the facts.  Hades' goal with this deal was to crush hope and have a flower wither. So, he's going to look for the most soul crushing option for getting out of the deal.

 

Saying "Nana Nana Boo Boo. You didn't make the deal so there is no deal" would make Belle angry and give up some hope (might just fire her up), but saying "You killed a man for nothing" does a much better job at soul crushing. It highlights that she is a murderer, a man died for nothing and nobody got saved in the process.

 

Hades is clever. He's going to go for the option with the most traction.

[HoodlumSheep]

I've finally caught up! Although I'm sure I'll fall behind again once the next episode airs.

-i liked Gaston's actor

-Maurice's purple coat was great.

- I did enjoy Rumple pointing out how Belle was being a hypocrite when it comes to his magic.

-every time someone mentions Robin and Pistachio being in the forest, I laugh. I wonder if Robin has been feeding her pine cones and tree sap.

-so Ruby got here by tornado? So that makes 2 ways to get into the Underworld and not just one, unless Ruby is dead.

- Once they showed the souls swimming around in the lake I was seriously hoping Milah would jump out like a fish and wave to Belle and Rumple in passing.

[YaddaYadda]

This is something that peeved me during the episode, how Emilie was saying Gaston's name. She mostly called him Gastonne, and there were instances where I thought she called him Gaston. That was super distracting. I know some names are just...and Gaston really isn't the nicest French name around (sorry of anyone's name is Gaston), but bleh, not Gastonne.

[HoodlumSheep]

Belle's blue coat reminded me a lot of Regina's riding coat. Or was it actually the same coat?

[KingOfHearts]

I heavily dislike this episode and 80% is a snore. However, I do admire it for bringing a controversial issue onto the table. It wasn't all pointless because it changed our perspective on Belle (and Rumpbelle, by extension). While most of it was filler, for what it does accomplish it warrants its own existence. Its events are very unlikeable, but you need low moments to enjoy the highs. Sometimes controversy can be a good thing.

Edited April 12, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[Camera One]

But no matter how much the writers twist it, Rumpel is not going to be less of a monster becasue his wife pushed someone into the River. False equivalencies. 

 

I think the point the writers were making is that Rumple doesn't need to be less of a monster.  It's Belle who will now be faced with, Rumple or her mind saying, "Remember that time you doomed Gaston to eternal torment?" whenever she starts to object to Rumple doing something bad.

[CheshireCat]

HoodlumSheep, on 12 Apr 2016 - 5:19 PM, said:

-every time someone mentions Robin and Pistachio being in the forest, I laugh. I wonder if Robin has been feeding her pine cones and tree sap.

 

 

Thanks for making me laugh in return. But I'm sure Regina conjured enough supplies for him

 

HoodlumSheep, on 12 Apr 2016 - 5:36 PM, said:

Belle's blue coat reminded me a lot of Regina's riding coat. Or was it actually the same coat?

 

Maybe they made some changes to it?

[shipperx]

It seems to me that this only proves that Belle is a dimwitted train wreck. In this episode she discovers that her husband murdered her ex and it honestly didn't bother her much. She also saw her husband be utterly contemptuous of the idea of remorse for murdering her ex and again she mostly doesn't care. Yet she couldn't forgive Gaston for being cruel to an ogre which--bad-- but in comparison to Rumple is...well...Rumple tortured Robin Hood and she got over that in a nano second, and she didn't blink at Rumple xhopping off (and keeping) Hooks hand, and Rumple murdering his wife (the first time), and his beating of the Sheriff of Nottingham, and his taking Hooks heart last year, and his killing the guy he sold her baby to, and, and, and endlessly and. And Gaston apparently did try to change and got murdered by Rumple for trying to help HER when she had been sold to the beast. So what exactly makes Rumple more forgivable than Gaston? Or it okay that Rumple has no problem deciding to murder Gaston again? And what on the frakking earth is the show doing claiming that Rumps is just being pragmatic when he decides it's okay to murder people to get what he wants?

Rumps is a narcissistic siciopath and Belle his hypocritical enabler. Blech in both of them.

[AudienceofOne]

I just feel like Belle is a textbook battered wife and the show doesn't seem to know it.

[Camera One]

Belle's goal was to help Gaston move on, but she didn't even tell Gaston how stuff worked.  Look at the conversation:

 

BELLE: But Rumple isn't even your real enemy. Hades is.

GASTON: Why do you defend Rumplestiltskin? He kidnapped you. He made you a servant.  You should want him dead, too.
BELLE: Yeah, well, I don't.
GASTON: Why not?

BELLE: He's my husband.

 

--

 

First of all, Belle could have explained how Hades operated and how people like Liam have been able to move on and find peace.  Then, the reply, "Well, I don't."  Gaston knew what a soft-hearted person Belle was.  Belle could have just said, "You know me.  I don't believe in revenge."  

 

And what was the point of blurting out that Rumple was her husband?  That was completely inflammatory.  I'm not saying it would have been easy, or even possible, to talk Gaston down.  But she said all the wrong things.  How about thanking Gaston for trying to save her?  Being impressed that he tried to do things her way, and not show up with an army.  I mean, that was pretty brave of him, to face a monster like Rumple on his own.  

Edited April 13, 2016 by Camera One

[Mathius]

Yet she couldn't forgive Gaston for being cruel to an ogre

 

OK, that I object to: I'm pretty sure the scene of her accepting Gaston's hand in marriage even though she didn't love him was her forgiving him; that she never brings up the ogre incident in the present day in the Underworld and is just focused on trying to help Gaston move on is more indication of this. I think the point was that she had done with Gaston EXACTLY what she does with Rumple: despite seeing proof of his monstrous cruelty, she forgives him and takes him back afterward when he seems to want to change for her, because "forgiveness makes a true hero". Belle is well-meaning but delusional. She's kind of like Sansa Stark if Sansa never grew out of that line of thinking and accepted the cold, harsh reality of things.

 

And what was the point of blurting out that Rumple was her husband?

 

 

She should have said that he's the father of her child, that may have made a better case to Gaston.

Edited April 13, 2016 by Mathius

[Rumsy4]

And what on the frakking earth is the show doing claiming that Rumps is just being pragmatic when he decides it's okay to murder people to get what he wants?

I think the point the writers were making is that Rumple doesn't need to be less of a monster.  It's Belle who will now be faced with, Rumple or her mind saying, "Remember that time you doomed Gaston to eternal torment?" whenever she starts to object to Rumple doing something bad.

 

I don't know what most Rumbellers think, but I did check out a couple of Rumbelle blogs. The idea seems to be that both Belle and Rumple need to compromise. Belle should stop being naive and overlook the occasional murder for practical reasons. In return, Rumple will use his Dark Magic for good the rest of the time. To me, that's like building a house over a ticking timebomb. 

I'm pretty sure the scene of her accepting Gaston's hand in marriage even though she didn't love him was her forgiving him; that she never brings up the ogre incident in the present day in the Underworld and is just focused on trying to help Gaston move on is more indication of this.

 

I don't think we can assume that. She seemed sort of guilted into accepted Gaston's hand. At the very least, the did it to be to hero and turn the tide in the Ogre wars. 

[Camera One]

It was hard for me to make the leap too. From that scene with Belle shocked and betrayed that Gaston tortured the Ogre to the "Good news, Belle!" scene.  Too much was missing for me to make the connection seamless in my mind.  Belle never brings up the ogre incident in present-day because it was a "surprise" in the end that "Her Handsome Hero" was so cruel.  Plus it would feel completely off-topic.  Well, bottom line is, the Writers already decided they wanted Belle to do the deed by the end of this episode, so the particulars of the Gaston stuff was no longer important to them after they've shown how Gaston sort of deserved a bad fate.

 

 

 

Belle should stop being naive and overlook the occasional murder for practical reasons.

 

I love the life lessons this show gives.  It's so relevant to contemporary love life in the hood.

Edited April 13, 2016 by Camera One

[KingOfHearts]

 

It was hard for me to make the leap too. From that scene with Belle shocked and betrayed that Gaston tortured the Ogre to the "Good news, Belle!" scene.  Too much was missing for me to make the connection seamless in my mind.

She made such a big deal about not giving her life away to arranged marriage. That's what's so baffling. We know that later she does a similar thing with Rumple for her kingdom. Whatever the flashbacks were trying to say, they didn't do anything to change Belle's view on kingdom vs. personal life. 

[Aliasscape]

Ha I think it was season 2 or so I decided that I was not going to be invested in Belle. I decided that Belle only made sense if you imagined that she's actually a product of Rumpel's imagination. That she's simply a part of his inner self. Almost no one else besides Rump ever interacts with her anyway. Now that she's slightly more autonomous it still works best to imagine that the real Belle was wiped completely and all that remains of her personality inside the former Belle body is something that Rumpel came up with in his own head. A person with just enough personality to challenge him now and then but not enough to in any way care if he ever actually does anything good or not. Seriously, it works much better. Belle is just facets of Rumpel in another body. So I remain uninvested in her in any way.

 

I kinda forgot this ep was even about Belle because seriously EVERY SINGLE SECOND that mattered to me was Snow and Emma. Mother and daughter caring about each other, spending time with each other, interacting with each other. Snow actually doing more things and being involved in a major plot point. Them remembering Snow and Red were friends. Emma realizing she can have a mother AND a boyfriend at the same time. Imagine that. I was loving all of that.

 

Belle who?

[kili]

I'm pretty sure the scene of her accepting Gaston's hand in marriage even though she didn't love him was her forgiving him;

I'm pretty sure that the scene of her accepting Gaston's hand in marriage was meant to be seen as tragic. The writers wanted us to hate Gaston for causing the Ogre wars which forced Belle to sacrifice herself and accept his hand in marriage to saver her kingdom. 

 

1) She is never in favour of an arranged marriage speaking out against it at the beginning and the end of the episode (including right before accepting his marriage proposal). She does start to like Gaston, but rejects him when she finds out about the Ogre torture. By the end of the episode, it is back to being an arranged marriage.

 

2) She fully rejects the theory that letting the Ogre go caused the war and suggests that the war is Gaston's fault (ignoring the fact that the Ogres were killing people in her kingdom before Gaston showed up).

 

3) Her father begs her to marry Gaston so that they can have access to his father's troops to save the kingdom. He doesn't suggest that she should forgive Gaston or that she might really love him. The argument is purely about the need for troops. 

 

4) Gaston is clueless to Belle's inner turmoil about the marriage.

 

5) Rumple calls the marriage arranged and Belle does not correct him.

 

6) Belle later sacrifices herself once again to save the kingdom from the Ogres by agreeing to Rumples deal. She seems more sad about leaving her father than her fiancé.

 

7) Belle is never again shown wondering about what happened to her fiancé who it turns out Rumple kills a few days later. Apparently, she never even asks her Dad. 

 

8) Belle seems more concerned that Rumple killed her fiancé without telling her than being sad for her fiancé that he got killed. 

 

9) Belle kills Gaston by the end of the episode and we are not meant to think ill of her for doing it. We are meant to think he deserves it. The show never forgives Gaston for torturing the Ogre. 

Edited April 13, 2016 by kili

[Bishop]

This was a ho-hum episode.  I do like the fact that Rumple is owning his actions now. He basically told Belle "This is me, take it or leave it."  He fully admitted to her that he loves her AND power.  He can't give up one for the other; he wants both.  She has to decide if she can accept that about him, and frankly, I think Rumple was right in that Belle sort of likes that dark side to him.  I admit that I've never been a Belle fan.  I can take her or leave her, although I did like the initial Beauty and the Beast storyline when it was first unfolding.  I just don't find her compelling enough to hold my interest.  

 

I also feel that the writers are spending WAY too much time on characters that sort of pass through but have no purpose.  Do I care about Mulan, Red, Dorothy, Zelina or any of the rest?  Yet we're spending episode after episode on them.  Next week looks like a snorefest.  I don't care about OZ!!

 

I think only four OUAT characters have been well fleshed out over the course of the five years and that is Emma, Regina, Hook, and Rumple.  The first three have had actually growth and evolution in their characters.  Then again, I think I like that Rumple doesn't want to change.  That's a choice too.  An argument can be made that Snow has had her character fleshed out as well, but I feel that her character is so tightly interwoven with Regina and Emma that she has lost her own identity.  The character that has been woefully neglected has been David.  THAT is a character that should be getting far more attention than he gets, and certainly moreso than Zelina or Dorothy or Mulan or any of the rest of them.  David has a twin brother, a stepfather who hated him for giving up the throne of his kingdom, a mother, etc.  There is plenty of story to be told, and yet he is relegated to a few lines here or there.

 

I don't think Hook has been acting differently.  I actually love the story of this character (and Emma's) as it has progressed over the last five years.  I've seen real change and growth, and I think this year was one of the best.  I prefer drama in my storytelling rather than just camp or cheesy fairytale stories.  In Neverland or in the other realms, there really wasn't much danger or drama.  In the Underworld, Hades truly is a bastard and a great villain.  Some didn't like the torture of Killian at Hades' hand, but I liked it.  I twas a chance to see Killian vulnerable and to see Emma fight to rescue him.  It's usually the damsel in distress, but this time, it was a nice reversal.  I think the writers have done a nice job with their love story.  I only wish they would devote some time to the Charmings.  They had a few brief scenes showing how they met in season one and since then, it's been all about Emma.  Like I said, I think Charming needs some time in the sun.  

 

(sigh)  I guess I have to slog through next week's episode in Oz  - a place that I don't care about and characters that don't interest me.  

Edited April 13, 2016 by Bishop

[Daisy]

So this show flat out killed Belle for me. Thanks, Show. super appreciate it. (at least Ariel is still awesome). 

Honestly, I can't even even with her anymore. Belle just needs to turn dark, and screw being evil. because she loves Rumple (whatever floats your boat, dearie) Rumple is NOT. EVER. GOING. TO. CHANGE - as we've seen, and he flat out told her. Lacey likes the darkness, and that piece of her has to be somehow in belle somewhere. so just have her embrace it. or kill her. because she's useless. 

 

Red, eh... I'm actually really eh about this whole back half. it needs to pick it up. 

[DigitalCount]

Just watched the episode, and you can see the point where Belle decides she's going to marry Gaston. It's when she's told that she can be the hero. As I was watching it the first time, I said "Oh, well you should have led with that" because it works, perfectly. That's when Belle agrees. 

[YaddaYadda]

Belle might as well be Henry.

[HoodlumSheep]

Pretty much.

Best way to manipulate Belle and Henry and get them to do your bidding is throw the word, "hero" into your conversation.

Edited April 13, 2016 by HoodlumSheep

[Curio]

Best way to manipulate Belle and Henry and get them to do your bidding is throw the word, "hero" into your conversation.

"Belle, you'll be a hero if you divorce Rumple."

"Ummm...I don't want to be a hero that much."

[KingOfHearts]

 

Belle might as well be Henry.

Is Henry going to push Violet into eternal torment after getting another girl? Probably. His moms will shrug and say "Oh, he's just being a teenager."

Edited April 13, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[ParadoxLost]

I don't know what most Rumbellers think, but I did check out a couple of Rumbelle blogs. The idea seems to be that both Belle and Rumple need to compromise. Belle should stop being naive and overlook the occasional murder for practical reasons. In return, Rumple will use his Dark Magic for good the rest of the time. To me, that's like building a house over a ticking timebomb. 

 

I'm not a Rumbeller but this episode made me seriously wonder about the longevity of the ship.

 

When Rumple started being straight with Belle about wanting power as much as her, I started wondering how long it would be before he lost interest in Belle all together.  Really, what interest does Belle hold for Rumple? He used to use her as a balm to make him believe that underneath it all there was good in him and Bae would forgive him.  Now he has put Bae behind him. 

 

He is sort of take me as I am or leave me with Belle and has no interest in her desire to become a hero and Belle's melancholy over having to accept she doesn't get to be a hero and married to Rumple at the same time is going to get really old, really fast.

 

They almost have to make Belle more like Lacey to keep them viable.  I tend to think that its more likely that the baby will keep them together and Belle will be one of those main/recurring characters that is not on the show most of the time (no real change).  But I think that at some point they will bring in a female villain and Rumple will end it with Belle.  Rumple teams up with too many of the female villains to think that at some point they won't decide to try another variation of Cora/Rumple in Storybooke.

[Jul 68]

Just as Disney will never allow them to kill a princess, they will also never allow a princess to become truly dark. They got away with it briefly because Lacey wasn't really Belle. I'm also guessing that they allowed MM to get a dark spot on her heart and be an egg napper because MM isn't really Snow White. I think that's part of the reason why she's now Snow again. Disney wanted their princess back and was tired of seeing her alter-ego being drug through the mud.

Basically, what I'm saying is; don't expect a truly dark Belle. It simply won't happen.

[Camera One]

Hades has eyes and ears everywhere and he can even hear conversations that Belle had with her father "a long time ago".  So why wouldn't he be able to find Robin and the baby in the forest?  I mean, no one should be sitting there confident that magic-less Robin would be able to stop Hades from taking the baby if he really wanted it.

 

It would make more sense for Robin to take the baby and for everyone to stay at the Sorcerer's Mansion since Hades specifically couldn't go in there.

Edited April 14, 2016 by Camera One

[AudienceofOne]

Hades has eyes and ears everywhere and he can even hear conversations that Belle had with her father "a long time ago". 

 

Umm... no. Hades knows everything about somebody who dies. So assuming we're not going with a future revelation that Belle's father is in the Underground (Hah! UnderWORLD) and she doesn't know (should I know what happened to her father in Storybrooke? Because that was my immediate thought when Hades made that comment, that her father was there) then he probably got it from Gaston. As Belle's fiance, he probably heard her father say it.

 

EDITED: For Freudian slips that nonetheless are too funny to delete

Edited April 14, 2016 by AudienceofOne

[Jul 68]

Hades has eyes and ears everywhere and he can even hear conversations that Belle had with her father "a long time ago". So why wouldn't he be able to find Robin and the baby in the forest? I mean, no one should be sitting there confident that magic-less Robin would be able to stop Hades from taking the baby if he really wanted it.

Also, where is he getting formula? Did he have Regina enchant Hook's magical flask to make it produce formula instead of rum? Maybe the mystery horse that Regina revived was a new mom and Pistachio is nursing from it.

[Mabinogia]

So assuming we're not going with a future revelation that Belle's father is in the Underground and she doesn't know

 

 

Rumple probably killed her father and when Belle finds out she will shrug and bring up that time he made her accept evil, corrupt, mass murdering (oh, wait, that's Rumple) um, that guy who was once mean to an ogre who may have been a spy Gaston's proposal and admit she never really cared for Daddy anyway. Really, I'm starting to doubt that she would leave Rumple even if he killed her unborn child. She's probably justify that he was saving the baby from Hades' taking it.

 

Yeah, I pretty much hate Belle after this ep. I hate Rumple too, have for a long time, but at least he's honest about who he is and what he wants.

 

I wish the Snow/Emma/Regina/Hook stuff was longer. Wait, was David there too? I think he might have been but he didn't do anything that I can remember so I can't really remember.

 

I'm actually looking forward to next week. Sure Ruby/Mulan/Dorothy aren't main characters, but at least they aren't Rumple and Belle.

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I wish the Snow/Emma/Regina/Hook stuff was longer. Wait, was David there too? I think he might have been but he didn't do anything that I can remember so I can't really remember.

 

He went to take Henry to the apartment and disappeared for the remainder of the episode, unfortunately.

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should I know what happened to her father in Storybrooke? Because that was my immediate thought when Hades made that comment, that her father was there

I seem to recall seeing Maurice in Storybooke just before the Dark One invasion. We see Maurice helping Belle into a car as Rumple sends her out of town (Rumple even tells her to go say goodbye to her father). So, he was apparently alive a few days ago.