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Am I the only one who thinks Ben had more chemistry with Saanvi in their short scenes than with Grace these 4 whole episodes? I don't want anymore soap opera angsty trianges (quadrangles?) - I'm just sayin'...

I have been fast forwarding through this season but was determined to get through this whole episode for old time's sake. All of the WTF moments for me have been covered here so I won't run through them again except for 2: Rumple just dying and never seeing Belle was EXACTLY what he deserves (and I have always loved RC as Rumple). Any trials and tribulations he has gone through cannot make up for all COLD BLOODED MURDERS. (RC is still great - so glad he is free of this!) EVERY aspect of the coronation scene made me literally sick to my stomach. I shall avoid any A&E shows in the future no matter how good the first season looks. Thank you all here for all the lovely snark over the years!

You always should have been writing for this show Camera One.

Yeessss, I guess you are right but only because the other characters are SO dull and badly written, and in some cases, badly acted (Murderella). Robert and Lana (both very good actors to start) have always done the best they could with they've been given and now have the most experience making the best of it. However, Regina doing the Saint Roni bit is making me a bit more nauseous every scene. As much as I have despised Rumbelle and the appalling acting of Emilie, I am a sucker for Robert playing romantic husband (and NO abusive manipulation in sight!) in this episode. And as much as I disagree with Rumple having a "pure heart" {gag}, I am really attracted to this corrupt cop who is really a good guy looking out for the vulnerable CI. Damn it show! As soon as I think I'm done forever, you use Robert Carlyle to drag me back in!!

I understand the Gabrielle Anwar complaints. I like her in other shows and they obviously asked her to be as unpleasant as possible here to counteract their poor writing because story-wise, she is a perfectly reasonable business woman and responsible grandmother. Nothing evil in making a business proposition that the other person can turn down without consequence and having very real concerns about the well being of a child. Camera One: "I find it hard to believe that anyone could use a Fairygodmother's wand. Rumple, fine. But random Lady Tremaine? This episode would have been ten times better if we got the Lady Tremaine from last year. Imagine if she was realm jumping to destroy the life of every Cinderella in existence." As always, you should be writing this show Camera One! Camera One "You'd think if her bar was a local institution that there would be people there helping her to pack and emotionally expressing the loss of their local watering hole. But nope, her only customer is a random stranger who's there for a laptop pickup." At the very least, they could have thrown in some of the dwarves!!! Give my man Grumpy some dang screen time show!!! Tennisgurl "I wish I could quit you, show! I cant say I hated this or anything, it had some good moments and interesting ideas, but it mostly seemed like a mediocre remake of the original pilot, with lots of the beats of the first episode, but without the real emotions or magic or mystery." Yup, yup, and yup. Still here for Robert Carlyle. Please let him be really evil. Please don't bring back Belle. Pleeeease!

I totally agree. I found myself agreeing with Belfry about her being too irresponsible to raise the child. I think CPS might also agree the unemployed, day drinking woman with the temper not being able to handle the girl who roams the countryside in the middle of the night accosting strange men looking for her father. I hate the character and the actress is crap. That being said, the story didn't irk me as much as I thought and they still rock the fashion porn so I will keep stopping by for awhile.

I was so hungry for OUAT continuity but I starved to death...

I have spent a few years complaining about A&E's writing here. I just gushed over how good the writing regarding plot, character development, relationships even while throwing in wild supernatural elements AND maintaining a procedural cop show over on the Lucifer forum. It felt really good. {sigh}

I just want to say how great the writing is in this show. I was a fan of Sleepy Hollow at the start. There are similarities: tall charismatic Brit with beautiful law enforcement partner in a supernatural based show. I bailed after they got rid of Abby; it was as if the writers only had one season's worth of story in them. This show handles all the characters' stories so well! Within all the chaos, the relationships are building and yet stay true to character and story arc - just greatness all around. As confusing as the ending was, it was also brilliant and will generate all sorts of speculation like a cliffhanger should! I only commit to a handful of shows; I'm so glad this is one of them.

I have a cautious thought that Robert Carlyle renewed his contract because A&E promised him to write something good for him so he won't be so bored and miserable anymore. This thought and Robert's hopes will be beaten out of us as season 7 proceeds but I am sure this will be the last season so maybe we can ride it out...

Well, they went with that statutory-rapey storyline with Douchfire and 17 year old Emma and thought it was a love story for the ages {gag}. I seriously wouldn't put anything passed them. Some witch could pull a Graham on Henry at 15 and A&E will somehow explain how it not rape - statutory or otherwise. {GAG}

I imagine that is the writer's attitude as well...

Of course! They gave Regina Emma's son, effectively gave her Emma's parents, let Regina rape Emma's love Graham so naturally they will give her Emma's husband! I think they are actually glad that JMo isn't returning so they don't have to pretend to care about her character anymore.

Just throwing in my 2 cents as to being ok with Evil due to attractiveness issue: I have been crushingly attracted to Robert Carlyle for 20 years and why I started watching. I had so many arguments on the forum in first couple of seasons about Rumple being unredeemable evil with those who thought him just a misunderstood cutie. I didn't want him to be redeemed; I wanted him to be a super fun EEEEVIL villain. He is still unredeemed and unredeemable but hasn't been fun for a long time and now just a wife abusing liar. So not as straight forward as attractiveness. I was done with Regina after Grahams rape and murder. I never cared how much fashion porn they threw out there, I do not now or ever did argue or even think she was redeemable. However, I've never seen a lot of Regina fans on this forum. I was vociferous in my hatred of Hook. I was back to arguing with those who thought he was just a misunderstood cutie when he joined the show. I didn't find him a fun evil villain but another scum bag being put forward as a love interest for a good heroine. However, he actually has won me over as things have gone along. He really has atoned (died, gone to hell, be tortured by Satan) and apologized and (forgive me for using this way too over used show word) changed. It probably helps that the rest of the characters haven't fawned over him against ALL reason like Regina. So I don't believe it is just attractiveness but a combination of that and writing and the actor's portrayal. Although, I totally agree that there are those who's hormones over ride reason but over 6 seasons of viewer abuse by the writers, I have seen a lot of them change their tunes as well.

Damn straight! I've been saying this since Season 1.