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As a reminder, the site's Politics Policy remains in effect.  Yes, Jim Bob is apparently running for office again. That does not make it an acceptable topic of conversation in here - unless for some mysterious reason, TLC brings the show back and it is discussed on there. Even then, it would be limited to how it was discussed on the show.

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Churchhoney

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Raw Story version of the jailhouse interview: Child-porn-loving state trooper tries to CHA by saying that JimBob told him Josh had molested only one girl. Clearly, there's no honor among sex offenders. 

 

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/ex-state-trooper-jim-bob-duggar-lied-and-told-me-his-son-had-molested-only-one-girl/

 

It's going to be hard for TLC or the Duggars to get away from this story for quite a while, I think. It has too many angles.

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I was thinking about this and the idea that the girls weren't "harmed" and weren't "damaged goods" which led me to realize that ALL of the Duggar children are "damaged goods" and I think that's becomi

Churchhoney
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They put themselves on tv and have proclaimed over and over and over and over again that their way of life is the way to ensure that your children are totally safe from every evil of the world, and in

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I don't know where to post this but I fucking met Michelle Duggar. Let me set the scene. So my cousin is getting married and we were at a shop looking at dresses here in Kentucky when the Duggars marc

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I give it to the end of the week. David's Bridal, Jimmy Dean, and ConAgra are huge sponsors to lose. 

I dunno, AmandaPanda -- Hope to hell you're right, but I'm starting to lose hope (that it'll be permanently canceled).  Have you seen some of the "voting" stats on/in various articles (i.e., Should 19K&C be canceled?!?)  I'm appalled/amazed they're so close in percentages. 

junemeatcleaver

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I'm starting to lose hope (that it'll be permanently canceled).

 

People is reporting the Jill and Jessa spin-off rumors that TMZ did last week, almost with the exact same wording.  The longer TLC stays silent, the more likely it seems to me that they plan to let the controversy die down before they announce the spin off.

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I dunno, AmandaPanda -- Hope to hell you're right, but I'm starting to lose hope (that it'll be permanently canceled).  Have you seen some of the "voting" stats on/in various articles (i.e., Should 19K&C be canceled?!?)  I'm appalled/amazed they're so close in percentages. 

 

Internet polls mean virtually nothing, though. If they did, then every Save Our Show poll would actually result in a show getting saved. Unless these people are all Nielsen families, their viewership means nothing to TLC. TV shows are just a way to sell ads. If no one is buying the ad space, then there's no money going into TLC's pocket. None of us are directly paying TLC to watch the show.

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Sew Sumi

Sew Sumi

I saw a list of advertisers that have bailed is that is almost 20 now. No way the show makes it to the end of the week. 

All State insurance (ADVERTISEMENTS HAVE BEEN PULLED)

Ricola Cough Drops (ADVERTISEMENTS HAVE BEEN PULLED)

Party City (ADVERTISEMENTS HAVE BEEN PULLED)

Pure Leaf Ice Tea (ADVERTISEMENT HAS BEEN PULLED)

David's Bridal (ADVERTISEMENT HAS BEEN PULLED)

Haute Look (ADVERTISEMENT HAS BEEN PULLED)

Nestle' (ADVERTISEMENT HAS BEEN PULLED)

Ace Hardware (ADVERTISEMENT HAS BEEN PULLED)

ConAgra Food, Inc. (ADVERTISEMENT HAS BEEN PULLED)

Walgreens (ADVERTISEMENT HAS BEEN PULLED)

Behr Paint (ADVERTISEMENT HAS BEEN PULLED)

CVS (REFUSES ADVERTISING ON 19 KIDS AND COUNTING)

Payless Shoesource (ADVERTISEMENT HAS BEEN PULLED)

H&R Block (ADVERTISEMENT HAS BEEN PULLED)

Jimmy Dean (ADVERTISEMENT HAS BEEN PULLED)

State Farm (ADVERTISEMENT HAS BEEN PULLED)

Choice Hotel (ADVERTISEMENT HAS BEEN PULLED)

Sherwin Williams (ADVERTISEMENT HAS BEEN PULLED)

Kings Hawaiian (ADVERTISEMENT HAS BEEN PULLED

Keurig (REFUSES ADVERTISING ON 19 KIDS AND COUNTING)

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Rhondinella

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I will say that I live in Oklahoma, teach at a Christian university, and travel in Christian circles.  And Oklahoma Christianity, by and large, is pretty danged conservative (although not Duggar-crazy conservative for the most part).  And I know a LOT of people (and they're all over my FB right now) who DO support the Duggars and are railing against the show being cancelled.  In their defense, however, I honestly don't think many of them know the whole truth behind these people and what they believe.  

 

The argument I usually hear is "It's so nice to see wholesome values on TV."  And, yes, I kinda get what they're saying.  These are people who often feel marginalized and ridiculed by popular culture, so seeing someone, ANYone on TV who even remotely shares some of the values--well, naturally they glom on to them.  The problem is that many basically check out mentally at that point and refuse to think critically about what they're seeing.  But, yes, there is still quite a bit of support for these people, misguided as it is, in many parts of the country within Christian circles, and not just fundamentalists.  Most people I know who support them are NOT fundamentalists.

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Wellfleet

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I saw a list of advertisers that have bailed is that is almost 20 now. No way the show makes it to the end of the week. 

All State insurance (ADVERTISEMENTS HAVE BEEN PULLED)

Ricola Cough Drops (ADVERTISEMENTS HAVE BEEN PULLED)

Party City (ADVERTISEMENTS HAVE BEEN PULLED)

Pure Leaf Ice Tea (ADVERTISEMENT HAS BEEN PULLED)

David's Bridal (ADVERTISEMENT HAS BEEN PULLED)

Haute Look (ADVERTISEMENT HAS BEEN PULLED)

Nestle' (ADVERTISEMENT HAS BEEN PULLED)

Ace Hardware (ADVERTISEMENT HAS BEEN PULLED)

ConAgra Food, Inc. (ADVERTISEMENT HAS BEEN PULLED)

Walgreens (ADVERTISEMENT HAS BEEN PULLED)

Behr Paint (ADVERTISEMENT HAS BEEN PULLED)

CVS (REFUSES ADVERTISING ON 19 KIDS AND COUNTING)

Payless Shoesource (ADVERTISEMENT HAS BEEN PULLED)

H&R Block (ADVERTISEMENT HAS BEEN PULLED)

Jimmy Dean (ADVERTISEMENT HAS BEEN PULLED)

State Farm (ADVERTISEMENT HAS BEEN PULLED)

Choice Hotel (ADVERTISEMENT HAS BEEN PULLED)

Sherwin Williams (ADVERTISEMENT HAS BEEN PULLED)

Kings Hawaiian (ADVERTISEMENT HAS BEEN PULLED

Keurig (REFUSES ADVERTISING ON 19 KIDS AND COUNTING)

 

Thanks for posting this. I spent two hours last night looking for a link to sponsors/list of sponsors I know someone else posted a few days ago but couldn't find it. 

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zenme

zenme

Just read this on the Daily Mail site.

 

http://www.dailymail...st-reveals.html

 

I'm not reading TOO much into Josh not being in either wedding party.  Both Ben and Derick had more opportunity to get to know the other Duggar brothers, while Josh and Anna were in D.C.  They also had their own friendships with other young men, so it's possible that they didn't need another male to stand as a groomsman.  It's possible that Jill's wedding party was lacking another female for Derick's groomsman, and perhaps Anna seemed a logical choice.  I would love for the absence of Josh in either party being due to Josh being Josh.  He was still an "emcee."

Churchhoney

Churchhoney

I'm not reading TOO much into Josh not being in either wedding party.  Both Ben and Derick had more opportunity to get to know the other Duggar brothers, while Josh and Anna were in D.C.  They also had their own friendships with other young men, so it's possible that they didn't need another male to stand as a groomsman.  It's possible that Jill's wedding party was lacking another female for Derick's groomsman, and perhaps Anna seemed a logical choice.  I would love for the absence of Josh in either party being due to Josh being Josh.  He was still an "emcee."

 

Mega  Creep

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I will say that I live in Oklahoma, teach at a Christian university, and travel in Christian circles.  And Oklahoma Christianity, by and large, is pretty danged conservative (although not Duggar-crazy conservative for the most part).  And I know a LOT of people (and they're all over my FB right now) who DO support the Duggars and are railing against the show being cancelled.  In their defense, however, I honestly don't think many of them know the whole truth behind these people and what they believe.  

 

The argument I usually hear is "It's so nice to see wholesome values on TV."  And, yes, I kinda get what they're saying.

 

I get it as well.  Thanks for sharing the barometer from your view, it's helpful to reflect what others outside of whomever we choose to expose ourselves to are feeling.  There really is a paucity of family friendly television anymore.

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Potato511

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I follow this local blogger, who has weighed in on Buzzfeed.  It is an interesting perspective of how coverup of this kind of abuse is all too common. (And has an interesting tidbit of why her family was not ATI only because her Dad would not give up watching the Dallas Cowboys on TV.)

 

http://www.buzzfeed.com/lyzlenz/how-evangelical-churches-protect-abusers-like-josh-duggar

This is an excellent link!

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GEML

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There's also the idea that the Duggars will just be replaced with a show like TODDLERS AND TIARAS or GYPSY WEDDING (and I've watched both shows, so I'm not being snarky) so what is this big sudden interest in "morality" on TLC suddenly? I've heard that a lot from religious people (also not necessarily Fundy - a lot of Fundies I know don't watch TV) who also aren't sure how they feel about it.

Churchhoney

Churchhoney

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I'm taking this to the education thread - wouldn't it be nice if The Learning Channel would just go back to it's original roots?

Sure would. But unfortunately ever single cable channel that I can think of has pretty much shifted over to the lowest common denominator of programming. A few still have some redeeming qualities, but when Animal Planet tries to get us to take a worldwide search for Bigfoot seriously, we know that "quality programming" probably isn't coming back to dominance anywhere any time soon.

 

Remember when "48 Hours" documented some interesting phenomenon over 48 hours? And how quickly it became about 98 percent another let's-wallow-in-this-hideous-domestic-murder! show?

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Julia

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The argument I usually hear is "It's so nice to see wholesome values on TV."  And, yes, I kinda get what they're saying.  These are people who often feel marginalized and ridiculed by popular culture, so seeing someone, ANYone on TV who even remotely shares some of the values--well, naturally they glom on to them.  The problem is that many basically check out mentally at that point and refuse to think critically about what they're seeing.  But, yes, there is still quite a bit of support for these people, misguided as it is, in many parts of the country within Christian circles, and not just fundamentalists.  Most people I know who support them are NOT fundamentalists.

 

One of the things that's really disturbed me about the fallout for all this - not so much here, but out there in the places where the bad things happen - is the number of people who've said, basically, if this is someone you didn't dislike and want to injure, you would let this go. Because the only two interpretations I can see for that are that either the person talking actually feels that way themselves and they're assuming everyone else does too, or they've heard "those people" demonized enough that they actually believe that being from a different political and social position = being OK with child molestation for allies, like it's some kind of a perk. 

 

I realize that there are a lot of people out there making bank off of exacerbating that divide, but still. It's a little unnerving how big a divide it really is.

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auntieminem

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I guess this will be covered in an InTouch story as well.  So many crazy things about Porn Troopers interview.   He thinks he should have reported and would have if he knew it was more than a one time occurrence.  This was extra WTF worthy.  

 

“I am a Christian myself, and I worry that if something else had happened, I would have been responsible,” said Hutchens, who was convicted four years later on child porn charges.

He served three years in prison but was arrested shortly after his 2010 release on four additional counts for distributing child pornography and remains in prison – where he spoke to an Arkansas lawyer on behalf of InTouch as part of an investigative report."

 

A twice convicted christian child pornographer would worry if something else happened.  

 

Raw Story version of the jailhouse interview: Child-porn-loving state trooper tries to CHA by saying that JimBob told him Josh had molested only one girl. Clearly, there's no honor among sex offenders. 

 

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/ex-state-trooper-jim-bob-duggar-lied-and-told-me-his-son-had-molested-only-one-girl/

 

It's going to be hard for TLC or the Duggars to get away from this story for quite a while, I think. It has too many angles.

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Julia

Julia

 

They shouldn't be using that woman to make a point, JMO, at least without pointing out that her husband has misrepresented himself and flat out lied to get Holocaust survivors to give him interviews, which he used in Holocaust denial propaganda, and that one of her big problems with the Duggar family is that they're not out and proud enough about beating their children like God wants.

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Missy Vixen

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TLC still thinks they can salvage this trainwreck. In other words, twenty sponsors dropping out doesn't blow their hair back.

 

http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/19-kids-and-counting-discovery-tlc-josh-duggar-1201506363/

 

If you haven't written a letter or made a phone call yet to any of the 19KAC sponsors, you might want to do so. TLC isn't getting the hint.

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Wellfleet

Wellfleet

I will say that I live in Oklahoma, teach at a Christian university, and travel in Christian circles.  And Oklahoma Christianity, by and large, is pretty danged conservative (although not Duggar-crazy conservative for the most part).  And I know a LOT of people (and they're all over my FB right now) who DO support the Duggars and are railing against the show being cancelled.  In their defense, however, I honestly don't think many of them know the whole truth behind these people and what they believe.  

 

The argument I usually hear is "It's so nice to see wholesome values on TV."  And, yes, I kinda get what they're saying.  These are people who often feel marginalized and ridiculed by popular culture, so seeing someone, ANYone on TV who even remotely shares some of the values--well, naturally they glom on to them.  The problem is that many basically check out mentally at that point and refuse to think critically about what they're seeing.  But, yes, there is still quite a bit of support for these people, misguided as it is, in many parts of the country within Christian circles, and not just fundamentalists.  Most people I know who support them are NOT fundamentalists.

 

100% agree - most of the people who support them see only the net result. They see obedient, clean, respectful "Yes ma'am, no Ma'am" kids who don't give them any trouble, talk back, get bad grades, stay out past curfew etc. They don't ask how this is actually achieved, or at what cost, long-term. They never get to that "how" question - if they ask any questions at all. IMO, not the brightest porch lights on the street.

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Sew Sumi

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TLC still thinks they can salvage this trainwreck. In other words, twenty sponsors dropping out doesn't blow their hair back.

 

http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/19-kids-and-counting-discovery-tlc-josh-duggar-1201506363/

 

If you haven't written a letter or made a phone call yet to any of the 19KAC sponsors, you might want to do so. TLC isn't getting the hint.

The timestamp on this article is 9:30 am, I assume Eastern because all US timestamps are Eastern time. At that time, only 8 sponsors had bailed; we have since seen a landslide of sponsors bail out. 

 

I'm basically saying that this article is now pretty much obsolete. TLC must REALLY be evaluating its situation, what with this being their highest-rated show and all. Morally, it's a slam dunk, but financially? How much can still be made with 20 sponsors, some HUGE names, out?

 

eta: Add Crayola to the list. A friend of mine received personal communication from them verifying this.

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Wellfleet

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They shouldn't be using that woman to make a point, JMO, at least without pointing out that her husband has misrepresented himself and flat out lied to get Holocaust survivors to give him interviews, which he used in Holocaust denial propaganda, and that one of her big problems with the Duggar family is that they're not out and proud enough about beating their children like God wants.

 

Wow, they're all coming out of the woodwork, aren't they?

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GEML

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I've made the point for years that the TV show brought out a lot of resentment towards the Duggars. Plus, as time went on they acted not so Fundy in a lot of ways (including how their daughters dressed and their consummerism.) If it gets worse, I could see others turning on them.

I think everyone is sort of waiting to know if there was real counseling or not. CPS seems to have been involved. Did the push for it? Did Josh have it? If he did, I think things might die down. If it really was just "pray it away" I think some mainstream Christian viewers will reassess.

Missy Vixen

Missy Vixen

The timestamp on this article is 9:30 am, I assume Eastern because all US timestamps are Eastern time. At that time, only 8 sponsors had bailed; we have since seen a landslide of sponsors bail out. 

 

I'm basically saying that this article is now pretty much obsolete. TLC must REALLY be evaluating its situation, what with this being their highest-rated show and all. Morally, it's a slam dunk, but financially? How much can still be made with 20 sponsors, some HUGE names, out?

 

eta: Add Crayola to the list. A friend of mine received personal communication from them verifying this.

I saw this on my FB feed earlier and I was absolutely astounded at TLC's cluelessness. Seriously. What bigger clue-by-four do they need that the vast majority of Americans (hell, human beings) find Josh Duggar's actions (and his parents' inaction) repugnant? I'm wondering if they think they can brazen it out until some other media personality screws up in a gigantic way.

 

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the executive conference room at Discovery Networks right now; one can only imagine they've brought in the best crisis PR firm money can buy, and they're evidently ignoring every bit of advice they've paid the big bucks for.

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Magoo

Magoo

TLC is possibly taking a note from the Duck Dynasty scandal where A&E acted immediately, suspended Phil Robertson "indefinitely," then reinstated him a little over a week later because certain fans were up in arms demanding his return.  It was embarrassing for the network and they had to do a lot of backpedaling.  But with all of these sponsors dropping like flies, it just seems inevitable that this show, in this form, is a goner.

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Churchhoney

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I saw this on my FB feed earlier and I was absolutely astounded at TLC's cluelessness. Seriously. What bigger clue-by-four do they need that the vast majority of Americans (hell, human beings) find Josh Duggar's actions (and his parents' inaction) repugnant? I'm wondering if they think they can brazen it out until some other media personality screws up in a gigantic way.

 

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the executive conference room at Discovery Networks right now; one can only imagine they've brought in the best crisis PR firm money can buy, and they're evidently ignoring every bit of advice they've paid the big bucks for.

 

Does anybody think it's possible that the network is mainly waiting to get an all-clear from the 100 or so lawyers who are currently scrambling among the files full of documents to prepare an ironclad defense against the attacks that will come from an enraged JimBob when they announce cancellation?...

 

Wonder if he might be able to make the case that they've known or should have known about this situation all along, for example? ... I mean, they're probably going to go close to broke over cancellation, so they won't want to be in the position of losing lawsuits or coming under even half-justified attacks from the Duggars in addition to that, if they can possibly avoid it.

 

Can they seriously be thinking of continuing the show? Really?

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Does anybody think it's possible that the network is mainly waiting to get an all-clear from the 100 or so lawyers who are currently scrambling among the files full of documents to prepare an ironclad defense against the attacks that will come from an enraged JimBob when they announce cancellation?...

 

Wonder if he might be able to make the case that they've known or should have known about this situation all along, for example? ... I mean, they're probably going to go close to broke over cancellation, so they won't want to be in the position of losing lawsuits or coming under even half-justified attacks from the Duggars in addition to that, if they can possibly avoid it.

 

I believe the lawyers are working overtime, as they say. The fact that the crisis management firm turned down the "opportunity" to work with the Duggars tells me that JimBoob is not cooperating with anyone and, in all likelihood, isn't even making sense. Not that he ever did, but I suspect he's in a state where he can't be dealt with by rational people. So the lawyers have their hands full.

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