ElectricBoogaloo January 26, 2016 Share January 26, 2016 When Rebecca learns Josh volunteers at a camp for at-risk youth, she decides to use the situation to remind him about their time at camp; Darryl throws a party in an attempt to recapture his youth; Greg runs into someone from his past. Link to comment
ElectricBoogaloo January 26, 2016 Author Share January 26, 2016 Promo! Sorry for the delay but for some reason, the CW's youtube page didn't have it up when I originally created the episode thread. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv-6EM2R76U Link to comment
Rinaldo January 30, 2016 Share January 30, 2016 (Off to look up EDM.) Michael Schultz! He's a figure (a bit of a groundbreaking one) that I associate with the 1970s, what with Car Wash and Sergeant Pepper. Delighted to find that he remains active as a director. Link to comment
Rhetorica February 2, 2016 Share February 2, 2016 That was too much drama and not enough songs for this viewer. I was depressed enough because of Galavant's finale last night and so hoped this episode would be fun. But it certainly didn't leave me smiling often. 2 Link to comment
Primetimer February 2, 2016 Share February 2, 2016 Rebecca learns multiple lessons about empowerment, the importance of bug spray, and why she and Josh just might be right for each other after all. Read the story 1 Link to comment
SeanC February 2, 2016 Share February 2, 2016 Wow, White Josh, you're full of surprises. I'm not sure how much longer they can stretch Josh's obliviousness regarding Rebecca, at this point. Granted, maybe you could argue he doesn't want to recognize it, since it would cause problems for his current relationship, but all the same. The girl group number (which came across exactly like Fifth Harmony, though I don't know if it was intended to be that specific a reference; what I'm absolutely sure was specific was that the personification of the Male Gaze was meant to be Terry Richardson) was a pretty hilarious take on the movie trope where people do all kinds of stuff that is generally supposed to attract male attention, supposedly purely for themselves. 3 Link to comment
tennisgurl February 2, 2016 Share February 2, 2016 (edited) So, Darrel and White Josh? Thats...unexpected, but I am so in. Even if Rebecca wasn't in the picture, I dont think Josh and Valencia would last. They just do not seem to be a good match. I am totally planning on playing the "Having a few people over" song while I am getting ready for my Superbowl party. Edited February 2, 2016 by tennisgurl 5 Link to comment
Rinaldo February 2, 2016 Share February 2, 2016 Wow, White Josh, you're full of surprises. I'm not sure how much longer they can stretch Josh's obliviousness regarding Rebecca, at this point. Josh does seem to waking up to the realization that Valencia doesn't want him to be who he is, and maybe their days are numbered. Gabrielle Ruiz isn't a regular on the show (always a guest star), so it's possible that at some point she'll depart the story. I had speculated to myself about there being hidden depths to White Josh, as David Hull is almost too gifted for a glorified walk-on (and someone even joked about his switching teams, back in an early episode)... but I honestly didn't expect that moment to actually happen. Of course we don't know exactly what it portends yet, but it'll sure be fun to find out. And Darrell sure seems mostly intrigued and flattered. Plus, it ties together two of the unattached principals. :) 2 Link to comment
SeanC February 2, 2016 Share February 2, 2016 Also, I appreciate that the Darryl subplot introduces what seems like a super-hackneyed conflict of him paying for quasi-escorts for his party to appear cool, but there are in fact no negative repercussions from this (e.g., they turn out to be prostitutes and everybody ends up horribly embarrassed somehow). 3 Link to comment
jecibels February 2, 2016 Share February 2, 2016 Also, I appreciate that the Darryl subplot introduces what seems like a super-hackneyed conflict of him paying for quasi-escorts for his party to appear cool, but there are in fact no negative repercussions from this (e.g., they turn out to be prostitutes and everybody ends up horribly embarrassed somehow). Clearly I stalk comments threads for this show too much because I was about to come here and say "someone on the AV Club pointed out how much they appreciated Darryl's subplot for thwarting expectations..." But yes! Totally agree. This show is so good at staying unpredictable even when you think you know where it's going and finding the comedy in simpler, more emotionally-grounded conflicts. Hiring escorts for the party pretty much just works out fine (I was really worried we'd have a tired subplot of Greg finding out his high school crush was an escort, which I had no interest in watching). When Darryl admits to White Josh that he hired them, I thought that was really sweet. Gosh, I appreciate this show so much for always surprising me. 5 Link to comment
Irlandesa February 2, 2016 Share February 2, 2016 (edited) When Hector and White Josh were sitting next to one another, I got a vibe and wondered if there was more to them than friends. And then the show ended with that kiss that landed somewhere between the mouth and cheek. So maybe my gaydar isn't as inept as I think it is? Not only was it nice for the show to avoid the cliche of everything going to hell once the prostitutes (or "Party girls") were discovered but it also subverted the trope where they all just wanted him for his pay-per-view. Whether it's friendly or romantic, White Josh appears legitimately into him. At least he has a friend. And was it just me (and maybe it was) but was Darryl kinda....hot at the party? Still sad. Still a bit pathetic. But the casual look worked for me. Okay...moving on. There weren't that many songs but I did like the song Rachel and the girls sang at camp. "Living well is the best revenge" is such a common cliche but what goes unsaid is that a lot of the time the "living well" has to be something that the "ex" acknowledges is living well. I think Heather is good for Greg but I'd like the actress to be a little less monotone. I get what she's going for but it's almost a bit too flat. Edited February 2, 2016 by Irlandesa 2 Link to comment
theatremouse February 2, 2016 Share February 2, 2016 (edited) I know this is not reasonable of me, but it made me twitchy that they bothered having all but three of the girls up and leave after Rebecca's meltdown, but then the song was 5, not 3. I mean, I get it's probably because they had budget for 5 singer/dancers but not for them all to have speaking roles. Still, found it jarring. Bugged me the whole number. Edited February 2, 2016 by theatremouse Link to comment
Snarklepuss February 2, 2016 Share February 2, 2016 When Hector and White Josh were sitting next to one another, I got a vibe and wondered if there was more to them than friends. And then the show ended with that kiss that landed somewhere between the mouth and cheek. So maybe my gaydar isn't as inept as I think it is? No, it wasn't just you, my husband saw that kiss coming a mile away and said, "Is he gay or something?" about White Josh. Then suddenly the kiss happened. I was impressed because I didn't see it coming at all. When I asked him how he knew he said he got a gay vibe from the way white Josh was acting around Darrel in that scene. Wow, and I'm usually good at that, but admittedly I was struggling to stay awake during the show. Not that it wasn't a great episode, I was just exhausted! Link to comment
wayne67 February 2, 2016 Share February 2, 2016 So White Josh apparently likes guys and Darryl ? might be curious ? Well that could be ... What was up with that girl having a boy trapped in a box. That was some weird disturbing stuff. Was that supposed to be funny ? 4 Link to comment
FurryFury February 2, 2016 Share February 2, 2016 Clearly I stalk comments threads for this show too much because I was about to come here and say "someone on the AV Club pointed out how much they appreciated Darryl's subplot for thwartin expectations..." Haha, you're not the only one. It was ok, but I didn't particularly loved the ep. I guess too much Rebecca/Josh over Rebecca/anybody else. Josh is better in small doses. Link to comment
ElectricBoogaloo February 2, 2016 Author Share February 2, 2016 (edited) Awwww! Knowing that someone believes in you is really empowering, so I understand why Josh reacted so strongly to reading the rest of Rebecca's letter. Even if he hadn't felt that Valencia wasn't supporting him, I think that letter still would have meant a lot to him. Did I miss the part where Josh told Valencia that this was going to be his last year at camp? Or did she just assume that after she passive aggressively told him he needed to get his shit together? On a related note, I don't know how much Josh or Valencia each work or how much money either of them makes, but it seems a little bit much for her to insist that HE needs to get promoted to manager at the store for THEIR future. If she wants more money, then she should teach more yoga classes. I wonder if she owns her own studio or just gets paid an hourly rate to teach at someone else's studio. It can be pretty lucrative if you are making more than an hourly wage (20 students x $20/person = $400 to teach one class), especially if you find a space that lets you rent in hourlong blocks (rather than renting the entire space 24/7). Edited February 2, 2016 by ElectricBoogaloo 1 Link to comment
sacrebleu February 2, 2016 Share February 2, 2016 Also, I appreciate that the Darryl subplot introduces what seems like a super-hackneyed conflict of him paying for quasi-escorts for his party to appear cool, but there are in fact no negative repercussions from this (e.g., they turn out to be prostitutes and everybody ends up horribly embarrassed somehow). Yeah, I was waiting for Greg to ask the blond chick from high school out and then she'd start quoting prices to him and the gang would realize Darryl paid for all the female guests, but then the show zagged when I was expecting a zig, and had Greg realize that dumping Heather was a bad idea. Well done, show. Also, I appreciate that the Darryl subplot introduces what seems like a super-hackneyed conflict of him paying for quasi-escorts for his party to appear cool, but there are in fact no negative repercussions from this (e.g., they turn out to be prostitutes and everybody ends up horribly embarrassed somehow). Yeah, I was waiting for Greg to ask the blond chick from high school out and then she'd start quoting prices to him and the gang would realize Darryl paid for all the female guests, but then the show zagged when I was expecting a zig, and had Greg realize that dumping Heather was a bad idea. Well done, show. 2 Link to comment
peachmangosteen February 2, 2016 Share February 2, 2016 (edited) Man, I loved this episode. I think it might be second to the Christmas ep as my fave so far. Edited February 2, 2016 by peachmangosteen Link to comment
Snarklepuss February 2, 2016 Share February 2, 2016 I loved it too. There was just so much in it and I was so pooped last night I can't think of all the little things that either spoke to me or had me splitting my sides. I feel for Rebecca and her issues with not being accepted, and loved how the show turned it around to the girls empowering HER and Rebecca empowering Josh. That was definitely a feel-good aspect to the episode and the show itself. "Having a few People Over" was genius - I love EDM and that was just such great parody! I'm not sure I can see Darrel becoming bi-curious, although he is pretty desperate for attention so who knows what he might do? LOL 1 Link to comment
theatremouse February 2, 2016 Share February 2, 2016 What was up with that girl having a boy trapped in a box. That was some weird disturbing stuff. Was that supposed to be funny ?In the earlier part with the girls sitting with Rebecca on the stage post-not-quite-lecture the same girl mentioned having been put in a box, literally. It was just as creepy then, but I suppose the takeaway was her getting her revenge? Or fair turnaround? In the earlier scene I couldn't tell if they were implying she'd been kidnapped/abused, or something that just sounded super creepy but might've been very small children tormenting each other without real malice or danger? So then at the end with her sitting on the box with a same-age sounding boy in it...didn't really clear that up for me much. 1 Link to comment
dubbel zout February 2, 2016 Share February 2, 2016 (edited) I'm absolutely sure was specific was that the personification of the Male Gaze was meant to be Terry Richardson That was amazing. He's such a sleaze. On a related note, I don't know how much Josh or Valencia each work or how much money either of them makes, but it seems a little bit much for her to insist that HE needs to get promoted to manager at the store for THEIR future. If she wants more money, then she should teach more yoga classes. It might be as simple as Valencia feeling that Josh isn't pulling his weight. I don't think she's being unfair to expect him to pay his share. It's not as if she's asking him for more money so she can buy Louboutins. I wish we knew a bit more about their relationship, because I feel like the show is unfairly slanting things against Valencia. I get why that's happening, but I can't hate on Valencia just because I'm supposed to root for Josh and Rebecca to get together. I'm not sure I want Josh and Rebecca to ever become a couple. Edited February 2, 2016 by dubbel zout 2 Link to comment
Wax Lion February 2, 2016 Share February 2, 2016 On a related note, I don't know how much Josh or Valencia each work or how much money either of them makes, but it seems a little bit much for her to insist that HE needs to get promoted to manager at the store for THEIR future. If she wants more money, then she should teach more yoga classes. I wonder if she owns her own studio or just gets paid an hourly rate to teach at someone else's studio. It can be pretty lucrative if you are making more than an hourly wage (20 students x $20/person = $400 to teach one class), especially if you find a space that lets you rent in hourlong blocks (rather than renting the entire space 24/7). That's an interesting question. We know she was getting paid per student since she told Rebecca that she has to pay the studio 50% of what the students pay. However, Rebecca was helping her get her own retail space and came close to getting one Valencia really liked. The show never clarified if Valencia got that studio space before she got mad with Rebecca. Part of me thinks Valencia must have signed that lease. Otherwise, Rebecca would be using Valencia's business dreams as a way to get Valencia to talk to her. I rewatch this series way too much so I've absorbed those details. This might be the first DVD set I buy in years. Link to comment
Wax Lion February 2, 2016 Share February 2, 2016 (edited) oops duplciate Edited February 2, 2016 by Wax Lion Link to comment
Rinaldo February 2, 2016 Share February 2, 2016 In the earlier part with the girls sitting with Rebecca on the stage post-not-quite-lecture the same girl mentioned having been put in a box, literally. It was just as creepy then, but I suppose the takeaway was her getting her revenge? Or fair turnaround? Or just a fantasy of getting back? That scene was in the "wacky epilogue" position, so all bets are off. Sometimes these brief bits are real (the butter adman's woes -- or was that fantasy after all?), sometimes they're flashbacks (sexy-gonna-do-it song), sometimes tweaked from what "really" happened (rapper apologies maybe), sometimes total fantasy (Rebecca hanging out with her 12-year-old self). Maybe this is a quick flash of what this girl would like to do to get back at him, but it didn't really happen.) 2 Link to comment
WendyM February 2, 2016 Share February 2, 2016 I thought Valencia had her own studio now (didn't Rebecca help her land the space early on?). I'm thinking she thinks Josh is hot (which he is) and malleable, so suited to her needs. (She would be the Alpha in any relationship, IMO.) I don't want Josh and Rebecca to get together, at least not for a very long time. I'm fine with him not realizing Rebecca's intentions. Also%u2014not for a very long time. I also enjoy a show that "zags," so I really liked that the escort situation at Darryl's didn't end with disappointment and a police raid. Link to comment
SeanC February 2, 2016 Share February 2, 2016 It's also such a trope to have the boyfriend/girlfriend character of the love interest of the main character be horrible. It would be much more interesting to watch if Josh's girlfriend was actually portrayed as a nice girl and friends with Rebecca. Right now Valencia is just horrible to everyone, so it's easy to get invested in Josh's and Rebecca's relationship. It would be more interesting if we as the audience were more conflicted about this triangle. I've written about this in the past, but I think I've come around to the side that Valencia being likable would risk making Rebecca (and Josh) too unlikable, given that for narrative purposes at some point Josh will have to break up with Valencia and date Rebecca (if for no other reason then to let Rebecca see whether a relationship with Josh would actually work). There's a reason that the love rival in stories like this is generally painted in unfavorable terms (moreso in comedies). Link to comment
HunterHunted February 2, 2016 Share February 2, 2016 I never want Rebecca and Josh to become a couple. I want Rebecca to gain some self-awareness. I hate the idea of them together. To be fair, I have a friend who is a lot like Rebecca. I have gotten those late night calls from her because she went out with the guy she's pining after and he's met someone and gone home with the woman he's met and left my friend stranded and I've had to pick her up. Or they've hooked up because they were drunk and helping each other out and then he mentions the girl he's actually into. Or he's bitching about some woman he's into and says "I wish she could be like you." to my friend. It is sick. I hate watching it in real life. I hate watching on TV. I want my friend and Rebecca to get some self-awareness and some self-esteem. Josh is a decent-ish person, but Rebecca fetishizes him because he's not neurotic like she is. He's everything she's not. He's mostly cool with his limitations and largely content. She likes him because he's lithium and hopes that if she gets with him that her life will suddenly be content and happy too. I largely watch this show for every other character, so I'm pleased with the white Josh and Darryl development. 5 Link to comment
skotnikov February 2, 2016 Share February 2, 2016 It seems to me, that they know they'll be canceled and they started to move towards their endgame already :( Rebecca / Josh Greg / Heather White Josh / Darryl Link to comment
jecibels February 2, 2016 Share February 2, 2016 I'm not sure I can see Darrel becoming bi-curious, although he is pretty desperate for attention so who knows what he might do? LOL I actually think it's very possible that Darryl's been gay all this time. Plenty of married people don't realize/acknowledge until later in life that they're gay. It seemed pretty clear from 1x05 that Darryl and his ex didn't have the most fulfilling relationship... it kind of makes sense to me. 3 Link to comment
Snarklepuss February 2, 2016 Share February 2, 2016 I also enjoy a show that "zags," so I really liked that the escort situation at Darryl's didn't end with disappointment and a police raid. Oh, that would only happen if Rebecca did it and Josh's parents were over. Oh yah! 1 Link to comment
jecibels February 2, 2016 Share February 2, 2016 It seems to me, that they know they'll be canceled and they started to move towards their endgame already :( Rebecca / Josh Greg / Heather White Josh / Darryl I disagree, actually. I think that their plan all along was to start at Rebecca/Josh and Greg/Heather but I definitely don't think it's going to end there (if they have the opportunity). Possible spoiler (from interview with Rachel Bloom on the Vulture TV podcast): Rachel also mentions that in the back half of the season, it'll start to feel like the Josh/Greg/Rebecca love triangle is going away, but it's not. Beyond that, though, I think Rebecca and Josh are cute, but I still just don't see the long-term potential. This episode really hammered that home for me. It was harmless that Josh was laughing at Rebecca's letter and how dramatic she used to be, but it really hammers home the fact that Josh has NO idea how dramatic Rebecca STILL IS. He doesn't fully know her. And I think that once he does, he's going to wind up in the same situation he was before - breaking up with her because she's just too much for him to handle. She is great at building him up, and certainly his fun and lighthearted energy is good for her, but ultimately I just don't see them as having long-term compatibility. 6 Link to comment
dubbel zout February 2, 2016 Share February 2, 2016 Rebecca seems to think all of her problems will be solved if she and Josh are together, and it doesn't work that way. She still has a boatload of stuff to deal with. 6 Link to comment
Eyes High February 2, 2016 Share February 2, 2016 (edited) This episode really hammered that home for me. It was harmless that Josh was laughing at Rebecca's letter and how dramatic she used to be, but it really hammers home the fact that Josh has NO idea how dramatic Rebecca STILL IS. He doesn't fully know her. And I think that once he does, he's going to wind up in the same situation he was before - breaking up with her because she's just too much for him to handle. She is great at building him up, and certainly his fun and lighthearted energy is good for her, but ultimately I just don't see them as having long-term compatibility. I think you're exactly right. When Josh broke up with Rebecca, he told her that she was dramatic and weird. She's still dramatic and she's still weird. It's possible that with age and maturity, he'll find endearing what he found unattractive in Rebecca when he was younger, but Rebecca can no more change her dramatic and weird nature than she can change the colour of her eyes, and I find it hard to believe that history wouldn't repeat itself if Josh and Rebecca got together. Just as Rebecca is idealizing Josh, I think Josh is also idealizing Rebecca, since he's in an increasingly strained and unhappy relationship with Valencia and doesn't have to deal with Rebecca's bullshit day in and day out. Even when Rebecca does show one of her more unflattering aspects, as she did in the last episode (the lies over her move), he forgives Rebecca instantly, maybe because if he did acknowledge that she had a dark side, she'd be just a flawed, even seriously flawed, human being, and not the kind, gentle, accepting, supportive refuge from Valencia. I'm guessing Josh is going to be less and less likely to remember the reason he broke up with Rebecca in the first place. Rebecca seems to think all of her problems will be solved if she and Josh are together, and it doesn't work that way. She still has a boatload of stuff to deal with. I think it will come as a genuine surprise for Rebecca when ending up in a relationship with a warm, loving guy like Josh doesn't magically fix her life. She likes him because he's lithium and hopes that if she gets with him that her life will suddenly be content and happy too. Precisely. They do make each other happy, but the warm and fuzzy feeling that they bestow on each other is a mutual hallucination. Rebecca thinks that Josh is the embodiment of everything that she isn't and that a relationship with him will fix her life, validate her existence as someone worthy of love, and retroactively validate all her past shitty choices. Josh thinks that Rebecca is everything that Valencia is not--accepting and supportive--and that she's no longer the dramatic, weird girl he broke up with in high school. They're both wrong. Edited February 2, 2016 by Eyes High 10 Link to comment
Snarklepuss February 2, 2016 Share February 2, 2016 I actually think it's very possible that Darryl's been gay all this time. Plenty of married people don't realize/acknowledge until later in life that they're gay. It seemed pretty clear from 1x05 that Darryl and his ex didn't have the most fulfilling relationship... it kind of makes sense to me. Oh for sure, but I can totally see Darryl trying to convince himself he's gay even though he's not just because somebody LIKES him. Which I think would be a funnier angle for the show to pursue. 8 Link to comment
Wax Lion February 2, 2016 Share February 2, 2016 It's also such a trope to have the boyfriend/girlfriend character of the love interest of the main character be horrible. It would be much more interesting to watch if Josh's girlfriend was actually portrayed as a nice girl and friends with Rebecca. Right now Valencia is just horrible to everyone, so it's easy to get invested in Josh's and Rebecca's relationship. It would be more interesting if we as the audience were more conflicted about this triangle. I agree that I'd like that trope to be avoided but I liked the take on Velencia they had in the second episode, that Valencia is lonely underneath it all because she has a tendency to chase people away. Before Rebecca kissed her it seemed like there was a part of her who longed for some female friendship even if she didn't realize it. The group of friends she does have would probably forget about her if she broke up with Josh, unless she fought to keep them in her life. A lot of these characters are trying to cover up a deep loneliness to seem normal. Darryl doesn't know how to handle life without his family. Paula hates her family. Greg seems to just tolerate Josh, White Josh and Hector from their history, he doesn't seem to get companionship out of knowing them. It'd be interesting to explore that side of Valencia, though that's the toughest kind of loneliness to face. What did she do while Josh was in New York? Did she focus on work? Fill her time with dating other guys? (I imagine she probably dismissed men for trivial reasons, finding excuses to cover up that they're not enough like Josh.) Did she spend time with Greg, Hector and White Josh? This seems like the kind of show that wouldn't rely on such a tired shortcut like the evil girlfriend, so I want them to move on from it. I would like to see Josh and Rebecca get together. There's some great story possibilities in Rebecca finding herself dealing with Josh's incompatable traits. I don't see him going along the next time Rebecca decides on a sudden life change, like going vegan. But I also hope Valencia doesn't disappear when that happens because that's where she could get interesting. 1 Link to comment
EyewatchTV211 February 3, 2016 Share February 3, 2016 Rhetorica: That was too much drama and not enough songs for this viewer. I was depressed enough because of Galavant's finale last night and so hoped this episode would be fun. But it certainly didn't leave me smiling often. Sorry to be off-topic, but we seem to have the same television tastes. I noticed your name once you commented on the episode of Face Off with the speech patterns, and now I've seen you post in Project Runway Junior, here, and Galavant, lol. Where else will you pop up? Link to comment
ElectricBoogaloo February 3, 2016 Author Share February 3, 2016 I think that what Rebecca confessed on the bus last week was true: she was miserable in New York and Josh kept talking about being happy and that made her want to stop being miserable/start being happy, but she also associates happiness with when they were together at camp so she now thinks that being with Josh is going to be the final thing that makes her life perfect. Realistically, that's unlikely because there is usually no one thing that will magically make your life happy or perfect. But because he is taken, it gives her a goal, something to chase after so she keeps thinking that if she catches the golden snitch, she wins. I think that Josh is a nice guy and he is open about his feelings, but that ultimately she isn't the right person for him either. As mentioned above, he has no idea just how weird and dramatic she really is (I think only Paula has any idea about that) and he would not want to be around her schemes and high energy 24/7. Both of them seem to have an idealized version of the other person. Rebecca sees his flaws a little bit more than he sees hers (she was visibly upset when he didn't take a selfie with her before getting on the bus, and then she was annoyed with him when he was hanging out with the boys at camp) but I don't think she sees much of his flaws unless they apply to him not paying attention to her. It might be as simple as Valencia feeling that Josh isn't pulling his weight. I don't think she's being unfair to expect him to pay his share. My point was just that we don't know how much money either of them is making or how they share expenses. There are some couples with a pay disparity who split costs 50/50 and there are others who use a percentage based on their incomes. All we know for certain is that Valencia wants Josh to make more money. If that's because she's paying for everything, then I can see her point. But if they are splitting everything evenly and he isn't have trouble covering his half, then it seems selfish to expect him to make more. If she wants him to make more so that he can cover all the bills and then she can spend her money on fun stuff, that's selfish too (at least in my opinion). But that's why I was wondering how much either of them makes. 1 Link to comment
Rhetorica February 3, 2016 Share February 3, 2016 Rhetorica: Sorry to be off-topic, but we seem to have the same television tastes. I noticed your name once you commented on the episode of Face Off with the speech patterns, and now I've seen you post in Project Runway Junior, here, and Galavant, lol. Where else will you pop up? We have eclectic tastes! I just delight in being entertained and surprised. Some shows rise to that. Link to comment
arc February 3, 2016 Share February 3, 2016 To me, right now Valencia is a little too horrible but they're threading the needle pretty well with Josh: he's a supportive and positive guy to Rebecca without looking quite like a heartless cheater. I know Rebecca's a mess right now, but I'm still a little disappointed her female empowerment seminar was such a bust. The kids being so vicious is probably very true to life, though. 2 Link to comment
Eyes High February 3, 2016 Share February 3, 2016 (edited) As mentioned above, he has no idea just how weird and dramatic she really is (I think only Paula has any idea about that) I think Greg has a pretty good idea of how messed up Rebecca is. He correctly called her "weird" in 1x04 and then all this shit happened: 1. He figured out that Rebecca had some kind of breakdown in New York that sent her running to West Covina. 2. It would have been one thing if he'd just seen her ditch him to sleep with a stranger, but he was also treated to her explanation, being that she was completely incapable of acting like an adult. 3. He successfully identified Rebecca's showy display of assistance to Darryl in his custody battle as an attempt to prove that she was in fact a good person and get back in Greg's good graces. 4. Rebecca sincerely offered to sleep with him in the back room of the bar to smooth over their disagreement. 5. He has known she was obsessed with Josh for a while and in 1x09 was calmly calling bullshit on her claims that she didn't like Josh. Greg's under no illusions as to just how fucked up she is. He still likes her, but I don't think he finds any of her bullshit endearing or cute. Edited February 3, 2016 by Eyes High 4 Link to comment
Irlandesa February 3, 2016 Share February 3, 2016 I would like to see Josh and Rebecca get together. There's some great story possibilities in Rebecca finding herself dealing with Josh's incompatable traits. I don't see him going along the next time Rebecca decides on a sudden life change, like going vegan. But I also hope Valencia doesn't disappear when that happens because that's where she could get interesting. Right now Rebecca expects nothing from Josh and revels in any morself of attention and niceness. He's her ideal. He's the fantasy that will fix her life. But if they were to actually get in a relationship, I could see her dynamic with Josh morphing close to the one he had with Valencia in this episode. She's not shallow like Valencia. But as we discussed last week, she's a total Type A personality who probably took feminist pole dancing classes to become an expert at them. And, as someone who wants to ace life, I could see her wanting to ace "having the perfect boyfriend." I could see her wanting Josh to achieve more at work...not to the extent that she'd want him to not do his camp stuff but definitely do more. Or for them to take on huge projects. Two opposites could balance each other out or it could go horribly, horribly wrong. Oh for sure, but I can totally see Darryl trying to convince himself he's gay even though he's not just because somebody LIKES him. Which I think would be a funnier angle for the show to pursue. I'm kind of torn about which way I'd like the show to go. In some ways, that could be very funny as long as White Josh isn't humiliated. On the other hand, it could also be interesting for Darryl to explore whether or not he's bisexual. So many bisexual men and women do often end up with opposite sex partners beause, of the two options, it has historically been the more accepted path. So what if that was Darryl? What if he did have some homosexual attraction that he put aside in favor of pursuing a more socially accepted life? 2 Link to comment
wayne67 February 3, 2016 Share February 3, 2016 Part of me wants Rebecca to succeed at getting Josh so Rebecca can finally ditch this obsession once she realises that she can't use Josh as a bandaid for her myriad of issues. On the other hand I want the female protagonist to be shut down hard by the object of her stalking so that trope isn't played out again on tv because it's so not healthy to pretend that chasing and plotting and scheming to get someone to love you is healthy or romantic because it's not. It's weird and creepy and stupid. 8 Link to comment
dubbel zout February 3, 2016 Share February 3, 2016 But that's why I was wondering how much either of them makes. And that's why I mentioned wanting to know more about their relationship, so we could know if Valencia is actually being unfair to Josh. Link to comment
SmithW6079 February 4, 2016 Share February 4, 2016 (edited) I don't think White Josh's peck on Darryl's cheek necessarily means anything, even if they seemed to be playing up the more stereotypical gay behaviors for White Josh at the party, as opposed to his clueless jock persona. Some straight men are very comfortable being affectionate with other men; it doesn't mean he's gay. But if he is gay, is he out to his friends? Just something he's discovering? Something he keeps hidden? I find I'm liking Rebecca less and less with each episode. I'm not a big fan of huge emotional breakdowns, and it's really bothering me is that she didn't even remember she was "in love" with Josh until she ran into him again in New York. It's a shame that Paula is an enabler because her own home life is so pathetic, and she's steering Rebecca wrong. Edited February 5, 2016 by SmithW6079 1 Link to comment
Eyes High February 7, 2016 Share February 7, 2016 I find I'm liking Rebecca less and less with each episode. I'm not a big fan of huge emotional breakdowns, and it's really bothering me is that she didn't even remember she was "in love" with Josh until she ran into him again in New York. It's a shame that Paula is an enabler because her own home life is so pathetic, and she's steering Rebecca wrong. I guess I'm sick of the following pattern: 1. Rebecca does something shitty and self-destructive. 2. Rebecca is either caught out or suffers the negative consequences of her actions. 3. Rebecca mopes about what a terrible, unlovable person she is. 4. Rebecca receives unearned forgiveness. 5. Repeat Step 1. 4 Link to comment
wayne67 February 7, 2016 Share February 7, 2016 I guess I'm sick of the following pattern: 1. Rebecca does something shitty and self-destructive. 2. Rebecca is either caught out or suffers the negative consequences of her actions. 3. Rebecca mopes about what a terrible, unlovable person she is. 4. Rebecca receives unearned forgiveness. 5. Repeat Step 1. Which is why I found it hilarious that Valencia's evil plan for inviting Rebecca along to the beach was because she's smart enough to know that given enough rope Rebecca will inevitably embarrass herself with one of her crazy attention seeking antics that blows up in her face. I really do hope they eventually progress from this formula soon otherwise it'll get repetitive and annoying. Link to comment
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