S06.E08: Going Deep

[JennyMominFL]

I don't want to go back 5 pages. Has anyone  seen Gigi on Celebrity Masterchef? She is playing for a Lyme disease charitiy and talking about how her Mom, Sister and brother have it. She is also a "foodie". Maybe she will make dippers.

Edited January 21, 2016 by JennyMominFL

[zoeysmom]

I don't want to go back 5 pages. Has anyone  seen Gigi on Celebrity Masterchef. She is playing for a Lyme disease charitiy and talking about how her Mom, Sister and brother have it. She is also a "foodie". Maybe she will make dippers.

it is on the Yolanda thread-about two pages back.

[JennyMominFL]

it is on the Yolanda thread-about two pages back.

Duh. I didn't think to look there. Sorry everyone. I can't wait to read the snark.

[motorcitymom65]

Kim was the adult female lead, opposite James Spader, in a legit theatrical release motion picture Tuff Turf. Sure it probably sucked, but she also was the main child lead in another theatrical release Escape to Witch Mountain. Her career before whatever happened in 1986, had higher peaks than probably anyone else on this show. A recurring minor ER role was nothing compared to that.

Maybe, but Kyle is the one they wanted. This was confirmed in the "secrets revealed" episode we saw before the season began, although it was a known fact for long before that. Kim might have been more well known to some, but she didn't live the life they were looking to showcase at that time. Back then they were all married, had money, took fabulous vacations, and gave us lots of house porn. Kim had none of that to offer, but got the gig because her sister - Kyle - did. 

Edited January 21, 2016 by motorcitymom65

[zoeysmom]

Yes to this. 

 

At the company I work for, this is part of our language, and has been for 15 years. We are asked it constantly, and are very aware that there is no such thing as "nothing". In the business world, they are asking what worries us about the company - do we have a product that disappoints, customers we are not taking care of, etc. The question is intended to spur conversation and teamwork. To let a person with a concern know they are not alone, and give others the opportunity to give feedback and offer solutions. I love it, and I often use it in personal matters as well.  It is a great way to get to know someone; to understand them better. I think this is the core of the issue. Lisa shares very little. Over the years we have watched virtually every HW go through things. That doesn't mean they don't have a happy life. They share what they are going through with the audience and the other ladies. The most personal thing we have really seen Lisa go through was the deal with Max last season, but she didn't share it with anyone else. I don't know that the other ladies even knew that Lisa and Ken were dealing with it. It would have been interesting to hear the thoughts from the other ladies. To have one of them comfort her and let her talk through her fears. 

 

Does Lisa have deep concerns? Maybe and maybe not. The lawsuit has had to weigh on her, yet she doesn't talk about it. I completely get why she doesn't want to talk about her business. Her one restaurant has been up for sale for 2 years, and apparently isn't doing well. I would think that would be something that she spends a good deal of time dealing with. She so carefully controls her own narrative, but at the same time, works overtime to get things the others are going through on camera. The Mauricio cheating rumors, which she said she addressed because it was the "elephant in the room". Asking Eileen about the affair, even though she knew that it wasn't a topic which she wanted to give over control. Eileen would want to control that narrative. Not just talking about Kim in the sense that it was hard for Kyle, but making sure to get the details of her arrest on camera. She is smart to guard her story so carefully, but it is understandable that the others would be irritated when she is less concerned about letting the others guard their own stories. 

There have been a couple of disturbing things to Lisa-first off Cedric.  And no she did not discuss it on camera with anyone-instead waiting for she and Ken to address it at the Reunion.  Lisa and Ken also claimed it inappropriate for Mauricio and Kyle to include Brandi in the Hawaii trip because Brandi was friends with Cedric.   Then Cedric released e-mails from his agent to production wherein Lisa knew and invited Cedric to the opening of SUR.  The rest of the RH were not to be told.  The other thing she found troubling was the getting paid for tabloid stories comment by Adrienne.  For that she went off the deep end and even got mad at those who did not defend her.  Camille and Kyle were on the hot seat.  Kim was out drunk, Taylor was still in the Russell committed suicide mode and Brandi was there fanning the flames.  What Lisa would not listen to was Kyle and Camille confirming they had been told the same by the same person who told Adrienne. Instead it became this huge all about her character.  Granted she and Adrienne had grown to hate each other.  Lisa insisted on making cracks about Adrienne's shoe line and Adrienne let her have it. So beginning Season 3 Lisa had assembled her own team. 

[WireWrap]

Yes to this. 

 

At the company I work for, this is part of our language, and has been for 15 years. We are asked it constantly, and are very aware that there is no such thing as "nothing". In the business world, they are asking what worries us about the company - do we have a product that disappoints, customers we are not taking care of, etc. The question is intended to spur conversation and teamwork. To let a person with a concern know they are not alone, and give others the opportunity to give feedback and offer solutions. I love it, and I often use it in personal matters as well.  It is a great way to get to know someone; to understand them better. I think this is the core of the issue. Lisa shares very little. Over the years we have watched virtually every HW go through things. That doesn't mean they don't have a happy life. They share what they are going through with the audience and the other ladies. The most personal thing we have really seen Lisa go through was the deal with Max last season, but she didn't share it with anyone else. I don't know that the other ladies even knew that Lisa and Ken were dealing with it. It would have been interesting to hear the thoughts from the other ladies. To have one of them comfort her and let her talk through her fears. 

 

Does Lisa have deep concerns? Maybe and maybe not. The lawsuit has had to weigh on her, yet she doesn't talk about it. I completely get why she doesn't want to talk about her business. Her one restaurant has been up for sale for 2 years, and apparently isn't doing well. I would think that would be something that she spends a good deal of time dealing with. She so carefully controls her own narrative, but at the same time, works overtime to get things the others are going through on camera. The Mauricio cheating rumors, which she said she addressed because it was the "elephant in the room". Asking Eileen about the affair, even though she knew that it wasn't a topic which she wanted to give over control. Eileen would want to control that narrative. Not just talking about Kim in the sense that it was hard for Kyle, but making sure to get the details of her arrest on camera. She is smart to guard her story so carefully, but it is understandable that the others would be irritated when she is less concerned about letting the others guard their own stories. 

Lisa DID share with Kyle about Max/adoption last season ON camera and that was the end of it. Lisa also addressed the tabloid rumor that she cheated on Ken ON camera and that was the end of that discussion as well. As for Lisa talking about the cheating rumors concerning Mauricio ON camera, Kyle brought up the subject of the tabloid rumors ON camera first so Lisa thought it was Ok to discuss it. There was no way for Lisa to know that Kyle was talking about a different tabloid rumor as the current 1 when that scene was filmed was Mauricio/cheating/transsexual, NOT that Kyle was pregnant. LOL

[WireWrap]

There have been a couple of disturbing things to Lisa-first off Cedric.  And no she did not discuss it on camera with anyone-instead waiting for she and Ken to address it at the Reunion.  Lisa and Ken also claimed it inappropriate for Mauricio and Kyle to include Brandi in the Hawaii trip because Brandi was friends with Cedric.   Then Cedric released e-mails from his agent to production wherein Lisa knew and invited Cedric to the opening of SUR.  The rest of the RH were not to be told.  The other thing she found troubling was the getting paid for tabloid stories comment by Adrienne.  For that she went off the deep end and even got mad at those who did not defend her.  Camille and Kyle were on the hot seat.  Kim was out drunk, Taylor was still in the Russell committed suicide mode and Brandi was there fanning the flames.  What Lisa would not listen to was Kyle and Camille confirming they had been told the same by the same person who told Adrienne. Instead it became this huge all about her character.  Granted she and Adrienne had grown to hate each other.  Lisa insisted on making cracks about Adrienne's shoe line and Adrienne let her have it. So beginning Season 3 Lisa had assembled her own team. 

A lot of the Cedric garbage was hidden behind production's/Bravo's 4th wall where neither Lisa or any HW could shine a light less they loose their HW job. My memory may be wrong BUT I remember seeing an e-mail from production inviting Cedric to SUR but none from Lisa directly to Cedric. In the one from production they mention they either ok'ed him coming or would ok him coming with Lisa before filming but NOT anything from Lisa herself acknowledging that he was welcome to the opening. In other words, I believe that production arranged the whole thing without Lisa's knowledge or approval, something we have seen production do many, many times across the franchise to most of the HWs.

 

Adrienne made digs at Lisa and Lisa made digs at Adrienne, tit for tat from the get go.

 

Also, about Camille, yes, she said she was also told it was Lisa BUT that she didn't believe it and was able to confirm it was in fact NOT Lisa well before the reunion was filmed.

[zoeysmom]

Lisa DID share with Kyle about Max/adoption last season ON camera and that was the end of it. Lisa also addressed the tabloid rumor that she cheated on Ken ON camera and that was the end of that discussion as well. As for Lisa talking about the cheating rumors concerning Mauricio ON camera, Kyle brought up the subject of the tabloid rumors ON camera first so Lisa thought it was Ok to discuss it. There was no way for Lisa to know that Kyle was talking about a different tabloid rumor as the current 1 when that scene was filmed was Mauricio/cheating/transsexual, NOT that Kyle was pregnant. LOL

Kyle said the rumor about her being pregnant.  I think what caused the stir was Lisa said something along the lines of Portia being the woman Mauricio was running around with, from the tabloids.  The Umanskys were mad she said it but madder that she said it front of Portia.  There were two rumors-the one from the comedienne "friend" of Brandi's, where she claimed Mauricio or someone who looked like him with a Black American Express card, claimed he was married but like to fool around.  Mauricio put that to rest by saying he did not have a black American Express card.   I can't imagine the other ladies took the transsexual allegations seriously. 

A lot of the Cedric garbage was hidden behind production's/Bravo's 4th wall where neither Lisa or any HW could shine a light less they loose their HW job. My memory may be wrong BUT I remember seeing an e-mail from production inviting Cedric to SUR but none from Lisa directly to Cedric. In the one from production they mention they either ok'ed him coming or would ok him coming with Lisa before filming but NOT anything from Lisa herself acknowledging that he was welcome to the opening. In other words, I believe that production arranged the whole thing without Lisa's knowledge or approval, something we have seen production do many, many times across the franchise to most of the HWs.

 

Adrienne made digs at Lisa and Lisa made digs at Adrienne, tit for tat from the get go.

 

Also, about Camille, yes, she said she was also told it was Lisa BUT that she didn't believe it and was able to confirm it was in fact NOT Lisa well before the reunion was filmed.

Lisa knew the others didn't.  It was in the e-mails.  Cedric was to apologize to her.

 

The point was and Lisa claimed the owner of RadaronLIne (Brandi's friends) claimed it was an imposter calling around.  That Adrienne was not privy to and Lisa continued.  Again I blame Brandi for fanning the flames as the rest did not want to get involved.  They had just had the Cedricv surprise.

Edited January 21, 2016 by zoeysmom

[WireWrap]

Kyle said the rumor about her being pregnant.  I think what caused the stir was Lisa said something along the lines of Portia being the woman Mauricio was running around with, from the tabloids.  The Umanskys were mad she said it but madder that she said it front of Portia.  There were two rumors-the one from the comedienne "friend" of Brandi's, where she claimed Mauricio or someone who looked like him with a Black American Express card, claimed he was married but like to fool around.  Mauricio put that to rest by saying he did not have a black American Express card.   I can't imagine the other ladies took the transsexual allegations seriously. 

The BIG tabloid rumor was about Mauricio cheating, NOT that Kyle was pregnant and Kyle knew that when she brought up the tabloids to begin with. I still say that Portia, as a 4-5 year old, had NO idea what Lisa said other than she has been seen out with her father. AND, IMO, No one took it seriously that Mauricio was cheating on Kyle at all with anyone, transsexual or not. The only one beating the cheating drum was Brandi and she said that she/Lisa were no longer close when all this happened during filming, remember the no more AM phone calls between Lisa/Brandi talk Brandi had with Kyle. LOL I still believe that this was a move by Brandi/Yolanda to make Yolanda THE Queen Bee on the show by knocking out both Lisa AND Kyle in 1 season.

Edited January 21, 2016 by WireWrap

[WireWrap]

Kyle said the rumor about her being pregnant.  I think what caused the stir was Lisa said something along the lines of Portia being the woman Mauricio was running around with, from the tabloids.  The Umanskys were mad she said it but madder that she said it front of Portia.  There were two rumors-the one from the comedienne "friend" of Brandi's, where she claimed Mauricio or someone who looked like him with a Black American Express card, claimed he was married but like to fool around.  Mauricio put that to rest by saying he did not have a black American Express card.   I can't imagine the other ladies took the transsexual allegations seriously. 

Lisa knew the others didn't.  It was in the e-mails.  Cedric was to apologize to her.

 

The point was and Lisa claimed the owner of RadaronLIne (Brandi's friends) claimed it was an imposter calling around.  That Adrienne was not privy to and Lisa continued.  Again I blame Brandi for fanning the flames as the rest did not want to get involved.  They had just had the Cedricv surprise.

It was in the e mails from PRODUCTION to Cedric, NOT from any e mail Lisa sent Cedric or any she sent production! Again, production has done this type of thing time and time again across the franchise.

 

Lisa was upset that Adrienne believed a lie, didn't bother to ask her directly and instead tried to get the others to go against her at the reunion.

[bravofan27]

IMO, Lisa isn't really about sharing feelings, nor does she care how others feel. She just likes getting dirt on people. She feigns concern so people will open up and give her the dirt. I'm sure Lisa is DYING not having the story on Kim, and she keeps trying to get Kyle to talk about it. Remember when Ken put down therapy and said he didn't believe in it? I'm sure LisaV is the same way, admitting to faults, worries, or insecurities is a sign of weakness. LisaR also wants desperately to get the dirt on Kim and she is pissed that Kyle won't tell her. LisaR needs to move on and forget about Kim. She was right, Kyle is probably a little pissed at her and is not going to talk to her about it. That bothers LisaR tremendously. 

 

Also, I read that LisaR is a huge pain in the ass for production and is not going to be asked to come back next season. Yay!

[nexxie]

Speaking of Cedric, was he Lisa's lover or what? That was one weird situation!

[Umbelina]

Cedric is obviously gay.  IIRC he was simply a con man who played on Lisa (and Ken's?) sympathies with a bunch of made up stories about his abusive/deprived childhood.  Lisa enjoyed his company, and I don't think Ken minded him too much in the beginning.  After a while, cracks began to show, and Ken got sick of his freeloading ways.  Maybe because Cedric came on RHBH the truth about his lies soon began to surface, and Lisa had to face who this guy really was.

 

I'm not sure if it shows Lisa's soft heart or stupidity, or both.

[WireWrap]

Speaking of Cedric, was he Lisa's lover or what? That was one weird situation!

No, Cedric was not LisaV's lover, LOL, he is gay.

Cedric is obviously gay.  IIRC he was simply a con man who played on Lisa (and Ken's?) sympathies with a bunch of made up stories about his abusive/deprived childhood.  Lisa enjoyed his company, and I don't think Ken minded him too much in the beginning.  After a while, cracks began to show, and Ken got sick of his freeloading ways.  Maybe because Cedric came on RHBH the truth about his lies soon began to surface, and Lisa had to face who this guy really was.

 

I'm not sure if it shows Lisa's soft heart or stupidity, or both.

 

IMO, Lisa like to rescue strays, including people like Cedric and Brandi.

[nexxie]

No, Cedric was not LisaV's lover, LOL, he is gay.

He seemed to be her escort for a while, following her around the way Ken does now.

[Umbelina]

I think it was the whole S&TC style "gay husband" thing with Cedric and Lisa, she could talk shoes, purses, have an escort, share jokes with Cedric, and she felt sorry for him. 

 

Bravo played fast and loose with Cedric's story, including about the letter, and about Cedric and Brandi supposedly being friends.  I think good old Cedric had a little something on the side with a Bravo producer.

[Lassus]

Did I hear right that it was 105 degrees out and those poor dogs were in sweaters? Please tell me I didn't hear that correctly. If that's true and LisaV knew about it, maybe she isn't quite the animal lover she thinks she is.

I don't necessarily have time to see if someone's already responded to this, but Jiggy apparently has a skin condition that requires him to wear sweaters.   Despite all the hate LisaV's getting in tonight's thread, she knows her shit and really cares when it comes to dogs.

[oakville]

I think LisaVP wasn't being honest about what keeps her up at night. Her son Max seems to have health issues which may be related to addiction. I was watching Vanderpump Rules which was filmed around the same time. Max passed out & broke his teeth which ended up piercing his lip. Lisa's restaurant. Vila Blanca is having financial issues & is up for sale. I applaud Erika for calling out LVP by saying she wants to get everyone else's story but being guarded about her own. Erika is a refreshing addition to the cast.

[Avaleigh]

Also, I read that LisaR is a huge pain in the ass for production and is not going to be asked to come back next season. Yay!

I'm curious to know where you read this. I've always imagined LisaR as being somebody who will do anything for production. It's Yolanda that I imagine currently being the most difficult. Before this current season, Kim was easily the biggest pain in the ass for production.  

Edited January 21, 2016 by Avaleigh

[nexxie]

I think LisaVP wasn't being honest about what keeps her up at night. Her son Max seems to have health issues which may be related to addiction. I was watching Vanderpump Rules which was filmed around the same time. Max passed out & broke his teeth which ended up piercing his lip. Lisa's restaurant. Vila Blanca is having financial issues & is up for sale. I applaud Erika for calling out LVP by saying she wants to get everyone else's story but being guarded about her own. Erika is a refreshing addition to the cast.

Can't say that I enjoy Erika slithering around in her performances, but I like how she sees who she's dealing with very quickly and isn't shy about it.

[zoeysmom]

It was in the e mails from PRODUCTION to Cedric, NOT from any e mail Lisa sent Cedric or any she sent production! Again, production has done this type of thing time and time again across the franchise.

 

Lisa was upset that Adrienne believed a lie, didn't bother to ask her directly and instead tried to get the others to go against her at the reunion.

Okay but obviously Lisa overplayed it.  She was in on it.  I have no reason to believe production lied to Cedric.  She just wanted to be able to publicly turn him away.  Something that could not be accomplished if she invited him in on camera.  I don't blame Lisa and Ken for being mad at him but there is a reoccurring theme with past combatants being put in each others' space.  I am wondering when they will try it with Brandi.

 

 

I think it was the whole S&TC style "gay husband" thing with Cedric and Lisa, she could talk shoes, purses, have an escort, share jokes with Cedric, and she felt sorry for him. 

 

Bravo played fast and loose with Cedric's story, including about the letter, and about Cedric and Brandi supposedly being friends.  I think good old Cedric had a little something on the side with a Bravo producer.

Cedric successfully ran some of Ken and Lisa's clubs in Europe.  That is why he had a work visa in the US-to run wither SUR or ViIla Blanca.  I always go the impression he wanted to be more than a restaurant manager and that was not in the plan. 

 

Which after it became apparent Brandi and Cedric did not know each other why on earth did Lisa ever lower herself to be Brandi's friend?

[motorcitymom65]

 

 

Which after it became apparent Brandi and Cedric did not know each other why on earth did Lisa ever lower herself to be Brandi's friend?

Lisa became Brandi's friend because Brandi came to her with dirt that Adrienne had been dishing on her. She also implied that the others were planning to "take her down". Lisa felt like Brandi was looking out for her by giving her a heads up. Loyalty is very big for Lisa (as it is for most people). Unfortunately for Lisa, she didn't stop to think that in feeding Lisa information, Brandi was also betraying her friend Adrienne. That was a lesson that Lisa would learn later. Brandi showed Lisa (and the rest of us) who she was right from the beginning, but the rewards seemed worth it at the time. 

[Umbelina]

Brandi was always so good at stirring up shit, just think of all the stuff that happened on this show because of her expert skills in spreading information.  ha.

[Maharincess]

I don't necessarily have time to see if someone's already responded to this, but Jiggy apparently has a skin condition that requires him to wear sweaters. Despite all the hate LisaV's getting in tonight's thread, she knows her shit and really cares when it comes to dogs.

There were other dogs wearing sweaters, not just Giggy. I know she knows what she's doing when it comes to animals, I've said as much here myself. But if she knew that there were dogs wearing sweaters in 105 degree weather and didn't so anything about it, that's messed up and pisses me off.

Unless there's a medical reason for it, dogs shouldn't wear clothes anyway. None of Giggy's clothes look like they're made for warmth, they look more like costumes.

[ryebread]

I thought Giggy's clothes were to protect his naked skin from UVA.  I remember Lisa saying that.  If that's the case, then why a sweater?  A little cotton t-shirt with SPF would be effective and much cooler.  I'd think the dog sweating, in 105 degree heat in a sweater would aggravate his skin condition.

[WireWrap]

He seemed to be her escort for a while, following her around the way Ken does now.

Yes, he her "sidekick" and it was fun to watch until he decided he wanted more, more money, more fame, more air time, more everything as if HE were the HW not Lisa.

Okay but obviously Lisa overplayed it.  She was in on it.  I have no reason to believe production lied to Cedric.  She just wanted to be able to publicly turn him away.  Something that could not be accomplished if she invited him in on camera.  I don't blame Lisa and Ken for being mad at him but there is a reoccurring theme with past combatants being put in each others' space.  I am wondering when they will try it with Brandi.

 

 

Cedric successfully ran some of Ken and Lisa's clubs in Europe.  That is why he had a work visa in the US-to run wither SUR or ViIla Blanca.  I always go the impression he wanted to be more than a restaurant manager and that was not in the plan. 

 

Which after it became apparent Brandi and Cedric did not know each other why on earth did Lisa ever lower herself to be Brandi's friend?

I don't believe she was in on it, she is NOT a good actress IMO. I really believe that it was a producer set up for fireworks to happen at the party. Cedric was to manage VB, not SUR.

 

As MCM said, Lisa values loyalty and Brandi was just oozing loyalty all over Lisa and she, Lisa, was foolish enough to believe her and fall for it, a lesson that she learned to regret the hard way, a very hard way.

[zoeysmom]

Lisa became Brandi's friend because Brandi came to her with dirt that Adrienne had been dishing on her. She also implied that the others were planning to "take her down". Lisa felt like Brandi was looking out for her by giving her a heads up. Loyalty is very big for Lisa (as it is for most people). Unfortunately for Lisa, she didn't stop to think that in feeding Lisa information, Brandi was also betraying her friend Adrienne. That was a lesson that Lisa would learn later. Brandi showed Lisa (and the rest of us) who she was right from the beginning, but the rewards seemed worth it at the time. 

I think Lisa makes the show but damn I wish she would not give the others reasons to distrust her  Even her slap at Eileen again in her blog-let it go.  By picking at Eileen she makes her far more interesting than she would have been.  There is going to be a divide and I don't think Lisa can count on many to back her.  Not to be mean but LVP needs to send Ken to play with the other men.  I know she feel like he will always have her back but he is starting to be annoying.  Please send in Martin and Mohamed-ken needs some playmates.

[WireWrap]

I thought Giggy's clothes were to protect his naked skin from UVA.  I remember Lisa saying that.  If that's the case, then why a sweater?  A little cotton t-shirt with SPF would be effective and much cooler.  I'd think the dog sweating, in 105 degree heat in a sweater would aggravate his skin condition.

 

Hasn't Lisa addressed Giggy's outfits before, saying they are made of light, breathable materials? I know she has on twitter and I believe that she did ON camera a few seasons ago as well when we saw 1 of his outfits being made, some purple costume.

[zoeysmom]

Here are the e-mails.  Lisa knew-http://www.realitytea.com/2012/01/17/rhobhs-cedric-martinez-fires-back-at-lisa-vanderpump-show-proves-he-was-invitied-to-her-party/ Damn Cedric is blunt.

 

Which makes me wonder how many other producer suggestions are thrown out to certain cast members. 

[WireWrap]

I think Lisa makes the show but damn I wish she would not give the others reasons to distrust her  Even her slap at Eileen again in her blog-let it go.  By picking at Eileen she makes her far more interesting than she would have been.  There is going to be a divide and I don't think Lisa can count on many to back her.  Not to be mean but LVP needs to send Ken to play with the other men.  I know she feel like he will always have her back but he is starting to be annoying.  Please send in Martin and Mohamed-ken needs some playmates.

 

Ken was there because of the magazine cover party, Eileen needs to get a grip. She didn't like how Brandi/Kim spoke to Vince at the poker party and she would never tolerate any of them saying to Vince what she did to Ken, NEVER.

 

Why is it OK for Eileen to "slap" Lisa in her blog but Lisa can't say squat about Eileen? What does Eileen want, Lisa said "I APOLOGIZE", does Eileen need tears, hair pulling crying, what? Eileen is starting to sound more and more like Yolanda, soon we will hear that Lisa didn't bring her coffee when DVP passed!

[zoeysmom]

Ken was there because of the magazine cover party, Eileen needs to get a grip. She didn't like how Brandi/Kim spoke to Vince at the poker party and she would never tolerate any of them saying to Vince what she did to Ken, NEVER.

 

Why is it OK for Eileen to "slap" Lisa in her blog but Lisa can't say squat about Eileen? What does Eileen want, Lisa said "I APOLOGIZE", does Eileen need tears, hair pulling crying, what? Eileen is starting to sound more and more like Yolanda, soon we will hear that Lisa didn't bring her coffee when DVP passed!

Lisa's slaps are designed to silence.  Oppression is never a good thing.  Especially on a reality show.  I will say  this about Eileen if she want something from someone say it, and then don't start negotiating.  She can't expect people to take her statement at face value if she continually wiggles.

 

Ken needs to stand down on occasion.  Sorry I probably won't change my mind on that.  Ken was horrible to Michael and Joyce at the SUR dinner and was standing up for Brandi and just dead wrong. He did the same thing at the Foster dinner.  I can understand Lisa wanting someone in her corner and although I admire his commitment to his wife there are times he should not be part of the conversation.

[Umbelina]

Here are the e-mails.  Lisa knew-http://www.realitytea.com/2012/01/17/rhobhs-cedric-martinez-fires-back-at-lisa-vanderpump-show-proves-he-was-invitied-to-her-party/ Damn Cedric is blunt.

 

Which makes me wonder how many other producer suggestions are thrown out to certain cast members. 

Those are very interesting, but they don't really prove Lisa knew.  The unknown producer could have been lying about Lisa knowing just to get Cedric there.  Cedric would have been perfect with those VPR sex crazed wanna-bes though.

 

Also, Cedric's accusations in that article about Lisa's and Ken's affairs, and that the truth would come out?  It's been a while, I haven't seen anything, have you guys? 

 

I see a lot of love between Lisa and Ken, it's in the little things.  Could they be faked?  I guess, but I haven't seen one slip up, and hello!  30+ years of marriage!  Ken's "love child?" 

[motorcitymom65]

I think Lisa makes the show but damn I wish she would not give the others reasons to distrust her  Even her slap at Eileen again in her blog-let it go.  By picking at Eileen she makes her far more interesting than she would have been.  There is going to be a divide and I don't think Lisa can count on many to back her.  Not to be mean but LVP needs to send Ken to play with the other men.  I know she feel like he will always have her back but he is starting to be annoying.  Please send in Martin and Mohamed-ken needs some playmates.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Lisa is the same to me as she always was...the difference this year is that she is being questioned by folks who are smarter than some of the others who questioned her in the past. Eileen is a smart cookie, and so is Erika. They aren't dazzled by her, nor are they afraid. Before she had people like Kyle (who I like, but she lives in fear of not being liked), or Brandi who is too self-destructive to do any real damage. The tide has turned a little bit this season. I did find it interesting that when questioned on WWHL, Kyle said that she loves Lisa V, and acted like they are OK. They posted several pics of themselves together at some Pet event near the end of the season, and they looked close at the time. I still believe a lot of the issues are going to come from Lisar, and I just don't think she has the credibility to pull anything off. I think that Kyle is kind of starting to doubt Lisar a little bit - not liking the way she in particular talks about Kim. I think that if Kyle has to make a choice between Lisar and Lisa V, Vanderpump is going to win.

[imjagain]

I'm not defending Lisa V but I think her clash with Eileen may be a cultural thing or semantics. To Lisa the word affair meant love affair and To Eileen it meant infidelity . Any Brits here who can weigh in? It may be the same thing with the question " what keeps you up at night?" I have a sister who is a fundy and she would have answered that question the same way, nothing....absolutely nothing. But then she would have to tell you how she turns it over to God and he handles it all. Me? I'm awake at night worrying about my sister ( among other things) who doesn't have the good sense to worry about herself. Don't tell me Lisa isn't worried about Ken's health or the possibility of him dying long before her . I think she probably worries about Jiggy as well as 100 other things ,but perhaps it doesn't keep her up at night. That said, her reaction to Elieen bringing it up again was COLD. She does not like to be wrong. She pulled that blank stare that makes the other person feel like they need to keep talking to fill the awkward silence. That was a power move for sure.

I had to add , I have Kyles glasses and so does my daughter! Yes LensCrafters ray bans . I am so very rarely in step with what is cool that I had to tell someone.

I knew we had a connection, lol.

[swankie]

Then we have Eileen bringing up her issues with Lisa V again.  Why?  If you don't want to discuss it, don't bring it up again in front of everyone else.  Let it die.   Then she brings up that she was physically abused.  I appreciate her candor, and I am sorry she went through that, but I thought it was an odd time and place to bring it up - and then, Kyle and Lisa R hugged her and well, that scene was over.

 

 

Eileen started her confession off saying that when they were at Yolanda's function last year she had said as an ice breaker for each person in the room to say something personal about themselves that nobody knows.  At Yolanda's function, it was interrupted by Kim and LisaR's riff, so Eileen wanted them all to continue with it at this function, hence her physical abuse story.  The thing is, she's the only one who confessed anything.  I guess nobody else wanted to play.  lol

[WireWrap]

Here are the e-mails.  Lisa knew-http://www.realitytea.com/2012/01/17/rhobhs-cedric-martinez-fires-back-at-lisa-vanderpump-show-proves-he-was-invitied-to-her-party/ Damn Cedric is blunt.

 

Which makes me wonder how many other producer suggestions are thrown out to certain cast members. 

Most likely what happened was that production told Lisa that Cedric wanted to apologize but NOT when it would happen. They then told Cedric that it was OK for him to go to the SUR party but to be nice as Lisa was nervous. We have seen production do this time and time again, tell cast member X something and then tell cast member Z something different or leave out something important in order to get a real, natural reaction ON camera and to UP the drama when it happens. I do NOT think Lisa knew Cedric would be at the party.

 

As for his announcement about all the cheating/prostitutes/loveless marriage going on in the Todd household, we would have seen/read about it in big bold print if any of it were true. Other than Brandi claiming Lisa was sleeping with her "trainer", even though Lisa does NOT have a "trainer" we have heard squat. LOL

 

Lisa's slaps are designed to silence.  Oppression is never a good thing.  Especially on a reality show.  I will say  this about Eileen if she want something from someone say it, and then don't start negotiating.  She can't expect people to take her statement at face value if she continually wiggles.

 

Ken needs to stand down on occasion.  Sorry I probably won't change my mind on that.  Ken was horrible to Michael and Joyce at the SUR dinner and was standing up for Brandi and just dead wrong. He did the same thing at the Foster dinner.  I can understand Lisa wanting someone in her corner and although I admire his commitment to his wife there are times he should not be part of the conversation.

Lisa can NOT force anyone into silence, she does NOT have that kind of power. LOL IMO, Eileen is sounding more and more like Yolanda, so much so that I will not be surprised to hear Eileen complain that Lisa didn't bring her coffee after DVP passed. Lisa telling her "I apologize" was not enough for her, she wanted Lisa to cry and beg for her forgiveness for daring to ask about her "love affair" with Vince and when she first knew he was THE one, I mean, HOW DARE LISA ASK THAT!   LOL

Eileen started her confession off saying that when they were at Yolanda's function last year she had said as an ice breaker for each person in the room to say something personal about themselves that nobody knows.  At Yolanda's function, it was interrupted by Kim and LisaR's riff, so Eileen wanted them all to continue with it at this function, hence her physical abuse story.  The thing is, she's the only one who confessed anything.  I guess nobody else wanted to play.  lol

 

Well, as soon as Eileen was done with her tears/story, Kyle followed up with "What keeps you awake at night" to Lisa, so Lisa was being asked a different question and I don't think anyone wanted to answer THAT question, NOT just Lisa. LOL

[Satchels of gold]

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ETA: yay!

Edited January 21, 2016 by nc socialworker

[zoeysmom]

Most likely what happened was that production told Lisa that Cedric wanted to apologize but NOT when it would happen. They then told Cedric that it was OK for him to go to the SUR party but to be nice as Lisa was nervous. We have seen production do this time and time again, tell cast member X something and then tell cast member Z something different or leave out something important in order to get a real, natural reaction ON camera and to UP the drama when it happens. I do NOT think Lisa knew Cedric would be at the party.

 

As for his announcement about all the cheating/prostitutes/loveless marriage going on in the Todd household, we would have seen/read about it in big bold print if any of it were true. Other than Brandi claiming Lisa was sleeping with her "trainer", even though Lisa does NOT have a "trainer" we have heard squat. LOL

 

Lisa can NOT force anyone into silence, she does NOT have that kind of power. LOL IMO, Eileen is sounding more and more like Yolanda, so much so that I will not be surprised to hear Eileen complain that Lisa didn't bring her coffee after DVP passed. Lisa telling her "I apologize" was not enough for her, she wanted Lisa to cry and beg for her forgiveness for daring to ask about her "love affair" with Vince and when she first knew he was THE one, I mean, HOW DARE LISA ASK THAT!   LOL

 

Well, as soon as Eileen was done with her tears/story, Kyle followed up with "What keeps you awake at night" to Lisa, so Lisa was being asked a different question and I don't think anyone wanted to answer THAT question, NOT just Lisa. LOL

I have reviewed and supplied the evidence. They were speaking of a specific event that had valet parking and a step and repeat.  There was no other filming scheduled at the time of the e-mail.  So it was not an if and when it was Cedric is coming to offer an olive branch.  It would be filmed.  This is pretty basic.  production sets up filming schedules.

 

Maybe Lisa should watch the show-then he would have known about the affair Vince and Eileen had when she spoke of it to Yolanda and Brandi.  Or stay awake at the Reunion or pay attention when Brandi called her a home wrecker.  I recommend folks read LVP's blog from "Amsterdamn Slap" she seemed clueless why the word home wrecker was used or why Eileen would be accused of such a thing.  I have never heard Lisa before or since ask someone when the affair with their husband began?  Or when the love affair with their husband began.  She is full of it  It was not a if Eileen didn't say he and Vince were both married when they met at the start of the conversation and they were friends first.  These are clues even drunk Kim can figure out.  So trying to back pedal and say, "oh darhling I said love affair."  No she didn't.

 

Lisa doesn't feel bad about asking and Eileen needs to stop fishing for an apology.  It is okay for someone to not approve of adultery.

[zoeysmom]

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ETA: yay!

Faye is pretty ticked Bravo is using the murder of her friend for reality show fodder.  People may not appreciate Faye's memories of her slain friend and she has been outspoken about violence against women.  I think it is very hard for her and Kris Jenner to have both heard their friend say she would be murdered by OJ (Kathryn and Marcus' friend at the time of the murder and trial) and OJ would get away with it.  What a horrible thing to come true.

[stcroix]

I've never understood Lisa V's continual use of sexual language about Giggy.  She often calls him a sex monster and then kisses him on the lips, and tonight she commented on how sexy he looks in his pink pajamas.  Has she not seen these moments on camera and realized how odd it sounds?  She's definitely veered into "eccentric" territory with that pup.

I think little Ken looks like little Jiggy--- maybe she confuses her sex monsters?  ;)

Edited January 21, 2016 by stcroix

[PhilMarlowe2]

I keep reading that Eileen was dramatic to bring the LVP issue up again, but in all fairness, Eileen didn't bring it, LVP did. When they all sat down, Lisa asked Eileen, "So, we good now?" and that's when Eileen responded by saying she was more concerned Lisa wasn't good with her. I suppose Eileen could have just said "yes," but that would have been disingenuous. But she definitely was not the one to initiate the conversation this time around.

[WireWrap]

I have reviewed and supplied the evidence. They were speaking of a specific event that had valet parking and a step and repeat.  There was no other filming scheduled at the time of the e-mail.  So it was not an if and when it was Cedric is coming to offer an olive branch.  It would be filmed.  This is pretty basic.  production sets up filming schedules.

 

Maybe Lisa should watch the show-then he would have known about the affair Vince and Eileen had when she spoke of it to Yolanda and Brandi.  Or stay awake at the Reunion or pay attention when Brandi called her a home wrecker.  I recommend folks read LVP's blog from "Amsterdamn Slap" she seemed clueless why the word home wrecker was used or why Eileen would be accused of such a thing.  I have never heard Lisa before or since ask someone when the affair with their husband began?  Or when the love affair with their husband began.  She is full of it  It was not a if Eileen didn't say he and Vince were both married when they met at the start of the conversation and they were friends first.  These are clues even drunk Kim can figure out.  So trying to back pedal and say, "oh darhling I said love affair."  No she didn't.

 

Lisa doesn't feel bad about asking and Eileen needs to stop fishing for an apology.  It is okay for someone to not approve of adultery.

I have read and reread those emails Cedric supplied and NO where does it show that Lisa knew he was coming to the SUR party. It shows that the producers told Cedric that she knew BUT nothing from or to Lisa about it which is something I do believe the producers would do to get the fireworks they wanted at the party. Again, it is a trick they have used before on all the shows.

 

Listen to WHAT Lisa asked Eileen, it was all about the romance, all about the fireworks. The questions were very different from what Brandi asked or what Eileen said at the reunion. I do agree that Lisa worded the questions badly, be it because she was drunk/tipsy, language differences (Britt/American) or a combination of the 2, she WAS asking about their romance. Eileen interrupted a conversation between the Lisa's about divorce/cheating and Lisa was surprised to learn Eileen was married 3 time, not just 2, and started to ask questions.

 

I do agree that Lisa didn't feel bad about asking questions but she did feel bad Eileen got upset about the questions and asked why Eileen didn't say so then instead of waiting until the next day.

[WireWrap]

I keep reading that Eileen was dramatic to bring the LVP issue up again, but in all fairness, Eileen didn't bring it, LVP did. When they all sat down, Lisa asked Eileen, "So, we good now?" and that's when Eileen responded by saying she was more concerned Lisa wasn't good with her. I suppose Eileen could have just said "yes," but that would have been disingenuous. But she definitely was not the one to initiate the conversation this time around.

 

I don't think Lisa brought it up, all she wanted to know is if she/Eileen were OK with each other or not. Eileen didn't have to go into any detail ON camera, she could have said she is "getting there", or "I'm trying" or even just plain old "NO" BUT instead, she went into detail once again. LOL

[PhilMarlowe2]

What does Eileen want, Lisa said "I APOLOGIZE", does Eileen need tears, hair pulling crying, what? Eileen is starting to sound more and more like Yolanda, soon we will hear that Lisa didn't bring her coffee when DVP passed!

 

Lisa literally laughed at Eileen when she said she "apologized." It was hardly heartfelt. The subtext was basically, "Okay, I guess I'll apologize since you seem like you need one, but this is clearly ridiculous and I am basically just humoring you." It couldn't have sounded less sincere if she tried. Even if LVP didn't agree with Eileen, you'd think she would have some concern for the fact that Elieen had been hurt or bothered by the exchange. Laughing it off isn't exactly the concern of one friend to another.

 

 

I don't think Lisa brought it up, all she wanted to know is if she/Eileen were OK with each other or not. Eileen didn't have to go into any detail ON camera, she could have said she is "getting there", or "I'm trying" or even just plain old "NO" BUT instead, she went into detail once again. LOL

 

In my book, asking if they were good is pretty much the same as bringing it up. And Eileen should have lied? If LVP didn't want an honest answer, she shouldn't have asked. Also, Eileen didn't immediately go into detail about the original sleight - she said it seemed as if LVP had been offended by her bringing it up.

Edited January 21, 2016 by PhilMarlowe2

[breezy424]

I loved Kyle's glasses when she and Faye were designing her new closet.

I did too.  And from what I could determine they were prescription.   I notice stuff like that.

 

 

On another note on the episode, so many comments.  So many likes. 

[zoeysmom]

I have read and reread those emails Cedric supplied and NO where does it show that Lisa knew he was coming to the SUR party. It shows that the producers told Cedric that she knew BUT nothing from or to Lisa about it which is something I do believe the producers would do to get the fireworks they wanted at the party. Again, it is a trick they have used before on all the shows.

 

Listen to WHAT Lisa asked Eileen, it was all about the romance, all about the fireworks. The questions were very different from what Brandi asked or what Eileen said at the reunion. I do agree that Lisa worded the questions badly, be it because she was drunk/tipsy, language differences (Britt/American) or a combination of the 2, she WAS asking about their romance. Eileen interrupted a conversation between the Lisa's about divorce/cheating and Lisa was surprised to learn Eileen was married 3 time, not just 2, and started to ask questions.

 

I do agree that Lisa didn't feel bad about asking questions but she did feel bad Eileen got upset about the questions and asked why Eileen didn't say so then instead of waiting until the next day.

They e-mails are dated and it clearly states an 8:30 arrival tomorrow and Lisa has been told.  It does not get much clearer than that.  Sorry but it is in print, the last shoot of the year so there is no real surprise factor.

 

I have listened to Lisa's questions and they are not innocent they are after Eileen clearly states she and Vince were married.   People who have overlapped romances generally don't want to talk about it.  If Eileen brings it up okay but otherwise don't ask. Kyle tried to get Lisa to back down and she kept going.  Lisa should have seen Eileen's discomfort.  The problem is later on when Lisa has an issue with say Yolanda, she has continued to alienate someone who once called her a friend.  That is the danger in crossing boundaries and not apologizing.  Much like Ken having to hear about things when Lisa gets home-Vince gets to hear about the same conversations when Eileen gets home.  Vince may bot appreciate the prying. 

[Giselle]

I know a lot of people have problems with this, but it makes sense to me.   There are three different issues at work, IMO.  First of all, Kyle will be held accountable (by the other K's) for what she says, doesn't say, "allows" others to say about Kim.  That's been made clear, and I don't think anyone disputes it.  The second issue is that Kyle knows the rest of the cast despises Kim.  No matter how hurt or angry Kyle is with Kim, she doesn't want to hear her trashed.  In contrast, Faye and Beth have been friends of the family for years.  They have a relationship with Kim outside Kyle, genuinely care about Kim, and have watched this dysfunctional relationship for decades.  Kyle feels they discuss Kim with genuine concern.  The third issues is Kim's children.  Even if Kyle wanted to humiliate and eviscerate Kim on camera, she knows how much she would hurt her nieces and nephew.  She knows the rest of the cast have little to no concern about the rest of the Richards family.

 

But the bottom line, IMO, is Kyle just doesn't like to criticize family - period.  She defends that horror show of a mother, she defends the childhood their mother pushed onto them, she defends even her most irresponsible nieces and nephews.  She also seemed really close with the aunt and cousin that showed up, whereas I'm sure Kathy holds herself above them.

 

And why wouldn't Kyle wish discuss Kim on her terms?  She has Eileen saying dramatic shit like Kim escaped from rehab.  LVP is desperately trying to get Kyle to trash the other two Ks on camera, and Lisa R. is manufacturing an unresolved blood feud with Kim, and she's just furious that she cannot discuss Kim Richards!  Kyle is trusting and gullible, but she's seen through LVP's machinations for years now, and her experience with Carlton has probably made her a little gun shy about being casual and open.

 

 

I think (at least in part) that the problem is with how they introduce new housewives with inaccurate depictions of friendship.  Like how Taylor was close to Adrienne and Lisa R. was close to LVP.  It's quite clear that Lisa R. was barely acquaintances with Kathryn.  She last spoke with her two years ago, but didn't know (at that time) that she had no children, and was divorced and remarried for eleven years.  There are plenty of things I will hold against Lisa R., but not this.  She was just doing as instructed.

 

You are right! Totally agree. The others have the right to bring it up but Kyle also has the right to shut it down, disengage or discuss it with people of her choosing.

[swankie]

Lisa's British and doesn't have to share deep pain if she doesn't want to. I lived in Britain, and the Brits just don't overshare the way Americans do. No one way of communicating is superior, but there are significant differences and I'm sick of people asking Lisa to pretend to be someone other than who she is. Just like I don't fault Eileen for wanting to share her story, I don't judge Lisa for being reticent about deep issues she might have. 

 

 

Then Lisa needs to stop expecting everyone else to spill their guts with her feigned "I'm so concerned" questions.  I don't care where she's from.  If she dishes it out she better be prepared to get it right back.  She can lose me all day long with her butthurt reactions to anyone who dares to try to get into her shit. 

[Umbelina]

http://www.trashtalktv.com/01/20/real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-recap-the-hoj-scandal-begins-again/377739/

 

Trash Talk has been hitting it out of the park this year.
 

As usual, Kyle isn’t able to create a storyline for herself because even people who are no longer on the show are more interesting. Her aunt is at the store with an old family pic, so Kyle gets to cry a bit for Large Marge Senior and then change her tears to resentful victim tears when Kim Twitchard’s recent Target dollar aisle arrest is brought up.

 

On the other side of the store, Rinna is using Twitch for camera time again, too. Oh for fuck’s sake. Just stay at QVC and talk shit with Isaac Mizrahi and the old queen who designs bridesmaids dresses for families famous for having children that swallowed sperm on the internet. I don’t care what you do with your screen time, just as long as it’s something NOT ABOUT SOMEONE ELSE. Or waxing your cornhole.

 

If Twitch was as interesting when she was actually on the show, she’d probably still have a damn job.

 

We’re supposed to be laughing that Giggy needs his own chair, but I can’t stop trying to figure out what Kyle’s looking at. One eye is looking at the EXIT sign, the other is looking down a windy road we can’t see.

Later after more recaps about everyone endless talking about Kim, there is this.  Standing ovation for this line!

How bout every single person sitting at this table make an effort to create lives interesting enough to film, cuz this is ridiculous.

 

On page 3 it gets REALLY good, discussing Lisa showing emotion.

Edited January 21, 2016 by Umbelina

[zoeysmom]

http://www.trashtalktv.com/01/20/real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-recap-the-hoj-scandal-begins-again/377739/

 

Trash Talk has been hitting it out of the park this year.

 

Later after more recaps about everyone endless talking about Kim, there is this.  Standing ovation for this line!

 

On page 3 it gets REALLY good, discussing Lisa showing emotion.

Thanks Umbelina-he should be in full glory next week when Faye and Kathryn go at it.