"The View": Week of 11/16/15

[rcc]

No Sharon Stone and co-star but we did have Whoopi in her reverential voice hyping BW while the old crone beamed. And how about CCB and Raven dancing at the end while Joy laughed. Michelle was her usual insufferable self and the other one (can never remember her name) trying to fit in. CCB also mentioned that everytime she says something people write in. LOL

 

Today would have been tolerable because I do enjoy Joy as the moderator but Miss Whoopi and BW ruined it.

[Kenz]

I can't imagine growing up not knowing what political beliefs your parents have like Raven and CCB. No wonder they are uninformed...scary. In my situation we talked about current events and candidates a lot when I was growing up.. Of course, it led to many arguments ( My dad turned conservative when he turned 50 or so), but I think it's important to keep up with who is running this country and have opinions about it at least when you start your teen years.

Edited November 20, 2015 by Kenz

[ChicagoCita]

I can't imagine growing up not knowing what political beliefs your parents have like Raven and CCB. No wonder they are uniformed...scary.

 

Exactly. I was actually having political discussions with my folks by the age of 6, volunteering with them on political campaigns by age 8, and having political arguments with them by the age of 10. We continue to disagree to this day! Although we're pretty much over the arguing part.

 

I don't know if current events are still taught in school, but as I grow older, I see the wisdom in having kids know what's going on in the world around them. Well done, old-school school!

[geekburger]

Raven has brought up money, taxes and her parents making comments about said money countless times so far. It seems it's mostly about the coins for them/her.

 

Young Whoopi indeed.

[Medicine Crow]

I thought it was hilarious that Raven remembered her parents voted for whoever would keep their taxes down.  WTH??

[May Jacks]

That little dance segment at the end of the show almost made me like Candace, Almost.  She's got some moves and then she talks and the appeal goes away. 

I thought Raven's hair from earlier this week looked like porcupine quills. I like the style it was in today though. 

 

I don't want the cohosts to be stifled in what opinions they give but they shouldn't take offended people lightly. If your opinion is based on lies and ignorance then expect backlash. Freedom of speech works both ways.

 

For instance, I'm glad they didn't delve into the topic of "all women having a lesbian side". That was sure to offend with all kind of ignorant statements. I just hate the way the media perceives lesbianism as if it is some kind of tendency that comes and goes, like something to try out when bored or tired of men and just ignore bisexuality all together. They would never treat male homosexuality the same. It has been brought up on The View before and Joy particularly has said some egregious things in that regard.

Edited November 20, 2015 by May Jacks

[Tunia]

I can't imagine growing up not knowing what political beliefs your parents have like Raven and CCB. No wonder they are uninformed...scary.

 

While I understand your overall point, Kenz, there's something to be said for independent thought not based on parental history.

My dad thought himself to be "open minded" and he would vote for the best candidate as long as they had an "R" after their name!  Mom voted for whomever Dad told her to vote for.  Ahhh, the good ol' days!  How in the world did they raise a confirmed liberal Democrat?  LOL.

[Kenz]

I don't appreciate Barbara Walters pushing Donald Trump's warm and fuzzy side. Of course, his kids love him and fawn over him! They know where their bread is buttered. It's no surprise too, that Candace said she would vote for Trump. After all, he exemplifies Christian beliefs like fidelity to his several wives, compassion for others, bombing the s**t out of whoever ( too bad about civilians ),and  his humble Christ-like demeanor.

Tunia, I don't think you have to agree with your parent's political beliefs, but wouldn't it be best if you discussed current events as you were growing up and had an inkling as to what their viewpoint was? I think that's important.

Edited November 20, 2015 by Kenz

[Tunia]

Tunia, I don't think you have to agree with your parent's political beliefs, but wouldn't it be best if you discussed current events as you were growing up and had an inkling as to what their viewpoint was? I think that would be important.

 

Absolutely agreed, Kenz, but we didn't have that type of household.  Politics, money, religion and the like were verboten.  I think they rue the day I went off to college and found there were others who thought as I did. There was a whole other world outside!

[Medicine Crow]

Absolutely agreed, Kenz, but we didn't have that type of household.  Politics, money, religion and the like were verboten.  I think they rue the day I went off to college and found there were others who thought as I did. There was a whole other world outside!

My bold.  The same when I was growing up, but I did hear that my Dad cancelled my Mom's vote & knew my Mom was Conservative because I served tea & sandwiches to the "ladies" who she invited to our house to further whatever candidate she was behind at the time.

[Kenz]

I grew up in a family that enjoyed arguing about politics. For some reason, I was interested in their discussions at a very early age. My southern family members were staunch Democrats, but they still argued over certain issues, and I loved listening to them. Now my Dad is a conservative Republican who watches Fox News, and my husband and I are very liberal. We do have to be careful now because my dad is 89 years old, and I don't like to upset him! (At least he despises Trump and would never vote for Ben Carson either.)

Edited November 20, 2015 by Kenz

[Haleth]

I wonder if ABC will have to give all the other candidates equal time after Barbara's Trump puff piece.

[Cosmocrush]

I am not a fan of CCB, yet I am going to cut her some slack.  She has appeared at the table only a dozen or so times this season. She hasn't been able to bond with the others due to her Full House tapings.  The other cast members don't help the matter by treating her as a guest host, feeling the need to introduce her as if we havent just seen her in the opening credits.  She has zero experience hosting a talk show and parachutes into NYC every few weeks for a weeklong stint. As soon as that week is over, she jets back to the west coast to be forgotten.

 

The only way a rookie improves is with practice, practice, practice.  Especially with the mechanics of a talk show, understanding how to stay on topic and discuss effectively. She's been in the TV industry all her life, but as the talent who merely read the words written for her.  If she brings that persona to The View, she won't succeed. Plop her behind the table for 6-7 consecutive weeks and we will see if she is merely Elisabeth 2.0.

I'm sure there's truth in that but I'm not interested in watching more on the job training practice here and hiring people, especially 40 year olds, with zero experience.   That's what local markets are for, not network TV.    Besides, Bitsy was here for a decade and never got any better - ditto for Whoopi.   In fact, I think both got worse because after a while they thought of themselves as professionals, LOL.  

 

 

No Sharon Stone and co-star but we did have Whoopi in her reverential voice hyping BW while the old crone beamed. And how about CCB and Raven dancing at the end while Joy laughed. Michelle was her usual insufferable self and the other one (can never remember her name) trying to fit in. CCB also mentioned that everytime she says something people write in. LOL

 

Today would have been tolerable because I do enjoy Joy as the moderator but Miss Whoopi and BW ruined it.

Okay, I liked the dancing - it was the best part of a show I thought was so/so.   I didn't appreciate Babs and Whoopi showing up (I know it was taped yesterday) but I need Fridays to be Whoopi-Free.   Poor Babs can barely open her mouth at this point.  Who keeps injecting her with all that shit?   She looks like a stroke patient.  

I wonder if ABC will have to give all the other candidates equal time after Barbara's Trump puff piece.

Nope - they will call it 'entertainment'.   That's why Trump has been able to get so far ahead and spend the least amount of money.  I think he said he just now is making a commercial for IA; he hasn't needed to before now because the mainstream media will not stfu about this guy. It's constant. 

Edited November 20, 2015 by Cosmocrush

[merriebreeze]

No way Trump is a Christian:

 

For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, Matthew 25:35

 

If she's honest with herself, CCB would admit that she's a bigot and that's why she supports Trump.

[Cosmocrush]

 

If she's honest with herself, CCB would admit that she's a bigot and that's why she supports Trump.

Candace may or may not be a be a bigot and I don't watch every show anymore, butI have to say I haven't seen any evidence of Candace being a bigot on this show.  I don't know for sure, but I don't think she supports Trump either; the question was, " If the election was today between Hilary Clinton and Trump then who would you vote for?  I thought Candace was very hesitant in saying Trump and only did so because her other choice was Hilary Clinton.  Earlier, she said she self identifies as Republican but that doesn't make her a bigot.  

Edited November 20, 2015 by Cosmocrush

[merriebreeze]

I agree Cosmo. I was going to go back and edit. My words were too strong, but I am so disappointed that so many people actually think The Donald is presidential material.

[Cosmocrush]

Raven has brought up money, taxes and her parents making comments about said money countless times so far. It seems it's mostly about the coins for them/her.

 

Young Whoopi indeed.

Well, Raven has supported her parents since she was three years old.   That's kind of disgusting to me.  I believe it was all about the taxes for them but they weren't paying them.   Meanwhile, Raven is as ignorant  (I don't think she's dumb) as she is rich.   Child actors who were successfully educated (I'm thinking of people like Jodi Foster, Brook Shields, Natalie Portman, etc) had parents who supported themselves.

 

ETA:  Has anyone found the Food Fight recipes "on the website"?   I replayed the segment to get them and it's just too crazy but Raven keeps saying it's going to "be on the website".  ?????  Mario's looked really good and easy - just my kind of dinner.  

Edited November 20, 2015 by Cosmocrush

[Apprentice79]

That little dance segment at the end of the show almost made me like Candace, Almost.  She's got some moves and then she talks and the appeal goes away. 

I thought Raven's hair from earlier this week looked like porcupine quills. I like the style it was in today though. 

 

I don't want the cohosts to be stifled in what opinions they give but they shouldn't take offended people lightly. If your opinion is based on lies and ignorance then expect backlash. Freedom of speech works both ways.

 

For instance, I'm glad they didn't delve into the topic of "all women having a lesbian side". That was sure to offend with all kind of ignorant statements. I just hate the way the media perceives lesbianism as if it is some kind of tendency that comes and goes, like something to try out when bored or tired of men and just ignore bisexuality all together. They would never treat male homosexuality the same. It has been brought up on The View before and Joy particularly has said some egregious things in that regard.

There is an ignorant belief held by many people that Female homosexuality is not as threatening to society as male homosexuality. Plus women are allowed to be sexually fluid, whereas men are not allowed to do that...Sexuality is very complex and it is not the same thing for everybody..Bisexuality is another whole can of worms...The female partners of  bisexuals, whether they are male and female are discounted. When a man declares he is bisexual, he is thought of as being really gay, and is therefore lying about his homosexuality. When a woman is bisexual, she has not met the right man yet for her to be with. Therefore she is experimenting..I am so happy that the show did not talk about every woman having a lesbian side...It is very ignorant to propagate such nonsense...Plus, I did not want to have to watch Candace looking disgusted and horrified about the subject of Gay people. It is just like when Sherrie used to have that shit eating grin on her face, whenever the topic was brought up....

[Medicine Crow]

Here you go Cosmo.  http://abc.go.com/shows/the-view/news/view-news/raven-symone-and-mario-cantone-food-fight-on-the-view-round-2-chicken-recipes-20151117

Okay, I liked the dancing - it was the best part of a show I thought was so/so.   I didn't appreciate Babs and Whoopi showing up (I know it was taped yesterday) but I need Fridays to be Whoopi-Free.   Poor Babs can barely open her mouth at this point.  Who keeps injecting her with all that shit?   She looks like a stroke patient.  

My bold.  LOL.  She looks like that little old lady that would peek out the crack of the door at Halloween & no one would keep what she gave out.  Blech!!!

[Cosmocrush]

Here you go Cosmo.  http://abc.go.com/shows/the-view/news/view-news/raven-symone-and-mario-cantone-food-fight-on-the-view-round-2-chicken-recipes-20151117

Thanks so much MC!  Somehow all I could find was the video clips.    Thanks!

 

[Celia Rubenstein]

I am so happy that the show did not talk about every woman having a lesbian side...It is very ignorant to propagate such nonsense...Plus, I did not want to have to watch Candace looking disgusted and horrified about the subject of Gay people. It is just like when Sherrie used to have that shit eating grin on her face, whenever the topic was brought up....

 

I saw the "every woman having a lesbian side" topic being hyped as coming up, but I figured I just missed it because I got fed up and bailed on the show before it aired.

 

Did they really just cancel it altogether?  hahhaa

 

Why schedule something like that and advertise it then pull the plug on it?  Did they run out of time or simply realize it was a bad idea and just skipped it?

[Medicine Crow]

I saw the "every woman having a lesbian side" topic being hyped as coming up, but I figured I just missed it because I got fed up and bailed on the show before it aired.

 

Did they really just cancel it altogether?  hahhaa

 

Why schedule something like that and advertise it then pull the plug on it?  Did they run out of time or simply realize it was a bad idea and just skipped it?

I think it was displaced by Joy's apology for their bulimia.discussion & related conversation.

[ChicagoCita]

I am so happy that the show did not talk about every woman having a lesbian side...It is very ignorant to propagate such nonsense...Plus, I did not want to have to watch Candace looking disgusted and horrified about the subject of Gay people. It is just like when Sherrie used to have that shit eating grin on her face, whenever the topic was brought up....

 

I just read a book -- very funny and very explicit, be forewarned if you pick it up -- that really made me examine sexuality in a new light. Best line that sums it up: "You understand people come in more flavors than just gay or straight, don't you?"  One character is 100% hetero, one is bi with a distinct preference for men, and one is bi and completely, equally open to both genders as partners.  I was SO glad that The View didn't go there, because I'm sure I would have been screaming at the TV. OTOH, I would have been morbidly and cruelly fascinated to see CCB to try deflect the question of who she'd go gay for. Must-see-TV of the prurient kind.

[lookeyloo]

So I had thought that CCB was kidding about the "creationist" museum, but nooo, there is such a place in Kentucky, and they even have a dinosaur exhibit!  I guess they just ignore dinosaurs that are more than 200 million years old.

 

I would love for Joy to go on a tour of this museum and report back to The View on it.  

 

http://creationmuseum.org/

The Duggars of 19 Kids and Counting had an episode at the Creation Museum. Fascinating

[CheezyXpressed]

I find that the show will mention a topic coming up, only it never does. That happened with the "Would you convert" question, only it took place on another episode. Since the lesbian question was brought up as a preview, I think they'll discuss it sometime next week.

[TheGreenKnight]

As for CCB I don't think she's as easily grouped into the Elisabeth "role" as it may seem. She truly seems to speak from the heart while Elisabeth seemed a bit more calculated.

I agree. Elisabeth was/is the equivalent of an Internet troll--she says inflammatory things specifically to incite an angry response. That's her way of staying relevant. Candace, on the other hand, only says offensive things she believes in. I'm not sure which is worse...?

 

I wonder if Barbara being there might be the reason for the co-hosts seeming off yesterday as everyone was talking about. Maybe she ripped into Michelle behind-the-scenes about her mannerisms. Not sure she'd say anything to Paula or Whoopi though.

Edited November 21, 2015 by TheGreenKnight

[Cosmocrush]

I agree. Elisabeth was/is the equivalent of an Internet troll--she says inflammatory things specifically to incite an angry response. That's her way of staying relevant. Candace, on the other hand, only says offensive things she believes in. I'm not sure which is worse...?

Hahahaha!  Excellent description of Bitsy!   I agree about Candace too and I'm not sure which is worse either.

[bannana]

I still loathe CCB and I just met her since I never knew she existed before the View.  Something smug and insincere.  Not as overtly annoying as Bitsy but cut from the same cloth, in my view.

 

And I hated the dancing.  She was doing this weird Charo hair-tossing thing.  If she hadn't done that it might have been okay.  It just seemed to be me that she thought this would make her relatable.

 

It did make me realize that she has Charo hair.

 

Does anyone else remember when BaWa said about Trump, on The View: that poor poor pathetic man?  I wonder if she mentions that in the interview.

[Apprentice79]

I still loathe CCB and I just met her since I never knew she existed before the View.  Something smug and insincere.  Not as overtly annoying as Bitsy but cut from the same cloth, in my view.

 

And I hated the dancing.  She was doing this weird Charo hair-tossing thing.  If she hadn't done that it might have been okay.  It just seemed to be me that she thought this would make her relatable.

 

It did make me realize that she has Charo hair.

 

Does anyone else remember when BaWa said about Trump, on The View: that poor poor pathetic man?  I wonder if she mentions that in the interview.

I remember that  it was when Rosie and Trump were having their row..Trump said that Barbara Walters had told him that she regretted hiring Rosie and that she could not stand her and that she was difficult..Barbara denied it, but I have always believed it...Rosie was pissed that Barbara did not defend her against Trump's tirades. Poor Rosie, she always hitches her wagon to the wrong horse...She thought that Barbara and Elizabeth were her friends and they were both self-serving bitches who were only loyal to themselves...

[Haleth]

And she had (has?) a huge crush on the charming Fidel Castro.

 

I still loathe CCB and I just met her since I never knew she existed before the View.  Something smug and insincere.  Not as overtly annoying as Bitsy but cut from the same cloth, in my view.

And her brother is even worse.  Ugh.

[Medicine Crow]

Interesting, velly interesting: 

 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/21/barbara-walters-wet-kiss-to-the-donald.html

[rcc]

Interesting, velly interesting: 

Thanks for the link. I wouldn't watch BW but I would read it. Snarky article as it should be considering the source.

[TheGreenKnight]

If I had to guess, Barbara is one of those people who says whatever the other person wants to hear when she's out with a friend. Similar to how Whoopi defends everyone she's ever known/worked with: it's the best way to keep connections and doors open even if it's a bit... disturbing. 

 

I mean, Trump is giving her an interview likely to guarantee good ratings and Rosie has spoken well of her the past two years, which is ultimately beneficial to Barbara.

[Cosmocrush]

Does anyone else remember when BaWa said about Trump, on The View: that poor poor pathetic man?  I wonder if she mentions that in the interview.

TDB writer certainly does; from The Daily Beast article (thanks MC - it sounds as gross as I imagined it would be) linked above:

 

In one sense, Walter’s noisy moist kiss for the frontrunner—who never was challenged to answer a serious question about policy and substance, because policy and substance, apparently, are increasingly irrelevant in the 2016 election cycle—made it difficult to hang on to one’s dinner.

 

But in another sense, the show was testament to the human capacity for forgiveness. Because Walters and Trump have a history.

 

More than eight years ago, when Rosie O’Donnell was moderating The View and mocked The Donald’s casino bankruptcies, and Trump fired back by calling the popular comedian a fat slob, an animal, a loser and other sweet nothings, Walters was awkwardly caught in the middle.

 

O’Donnell eventually prevailed upon her to take her side. “That poor, pathetic man,” Walters said on the air.

 

Trump for his part, announced that Walters’s time had come and gone.

 

 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/21/barbara-walters-wet-kiss-to-the-donald.html

[Cementhead]

And her brother is even worse.  Ugh.

 

Confession time: (It is Sunday) I wrote Kirk Cameron 2 fan (okay, love) letters back in the day; back when he was on Growing Pains and I thought he was just dreamy.  Who knew he was cultivating all that crazy under those adorable curls & dimples?  sigh.

Edited November 22, 2015 by Cementhead

[JAYJAY1979]

Watched the creation vs. Evolution discussion between ccb and joy. I do think joy has a tendency to be dismissive and closed minded in her own way...and she does eye roll a lot.

At the same time, if you're gonna step up to her..thenot you better be prepared to debate her, which ccb is not equipped to do.

When Whoopi is speaking sense, that should tell the panel something lol. I will say Whoopi actually acted like a moderator during that discussion. Still..I wonder how meredith would have handled it...I know paula would have quickly said that they need to agree to disagree before moving forward to the next topic.

[NewDigs]

Bolding mine

I'm sure there's truth in that but I'm not interested in watching more on the job training practice here and hiring people, especially 40 year olds, with zero experience. That's what local markets are for, not network TV. Besides, Bitsy was here for a decade and never got any better - ditto for Whoopi. In fact, I think both got worse because after a while they thought of themselves as professionals, LOL.

Okay, I liked the dancing - it was the best part of a show I thought was so/so. I didn't appreciate Babs and Whoopi showing up (I know it was taped yesterday) but I need Fridays to be Whoopi-Free. Poor Babs can barely open her mouth at this point. Who keeps injecting her with all that shit? She looks like a stroke patient.

I wonder if ABC will have to give all the other candidates equal time after Barbara's Trump puff piece.

Nope - they will call it 'entertainment'. That's why Trump has been able to get so far ahead and spend the least amount of money. I think he said he just now is making a commercial for IA; he hasn't needed to before now because the mainstream media will not stfu about this guy. It's constant.

That's what I thought! But CNN and others are reporting differently.

Color me surprised.

ETA I think if they can actually convince the FCC that what BaBa did was "news" they won't have to give him the time.

Edited November 22, 2015 by NewDigs

[Cosmocrush]

That's what I thought! But CNN and others are reporting differently.

Color me surprised.

That's very interesting.   So NBC is offering equal time (12 minutes) for what they gave Trump on SNL.   

 

The FCC's "equal time" regulations state that presidential candidates are entitled to equal time for any appearance that does not qualify as a news event. The candidates are not necessarily entitled to the same platform.

 

I guess I was wrong that 'entertainment" doesn't count.   According to the linked article, It's NEWS content that doesn't require equal time,  which is where Trump has been getting so much mention - far more than ANY other candidate.  They cover his rallies, his speeches, his tweets.  Even my beloved Rachael Maddow does it and I have to turn the TV off when she does.   

 

20/20 is an ABC News show - which is a pretty loose definition of news to me but whatever.  So unfortunately, the campaigns of the other 1000 candidates will not be able to demand equal time (35-40 minutes) from ABC.  

[NewDigs]

Bolding mine.

That's very interesting.   So NBC is offering equal time (12 minutes) for what they gave Trump on SNL.   

 

 

I guess I was wrong that 'entertainment" doesn't count.   According to the linked article, It's NEWS content that doesn't require equal time,  which is where Trump has been getting so much mention - far more than ANY other candidate.  They cover his rallies, his speeches, his tweets.  Even my beloved Rachael Maddow does it and I have to turn the TV off when she does.   

 

20/20 is an ABC News show - which is a pretty loose definition of news to me but whatever.  So unfortunately, the campaigns of the other 1000 candidates will not be able to demand equal time (35-40 minutes) from ABC.

Yeah, I was afraid Babs was probably part of the "news" division and I had forgotten the show was actually 20/20. I'm more used to her "vewy special people" stand-alone snoozers.

I also find in interesting that no other Dem. candidate challenged SNL for equal time post Hillary.

Not sure what that says about either party.

[GHScorpiosRule]

I zipped through last week's episodes and don't have anything to add that y'all haven't already stated.

 

But, I'm on Friday's show where they're talking about bullies, and I could not roll my eyes hard enough, while thanking and being grateful that I was a kid when I was a kid.  Example--because the twits on the show were saying how if kids are bullies, it's because the parents are bullies, and well, maybe yeah, but it's not fair to paint them all with the same brush.

 

So, example, I got beat up a lot as a kid; but this one time, when my mom saw what had happened, that next day, a Saturday, took me to the girl's apartment (my best friend was along for support) and whooo wee, I didn't know my mum had it in her. Bully's mom opened the door and my mother demanded and told her mom to "See! See what your daughter did to mine!" because I was two years younger and smaller in stature. She was like a Tiger defending her cub!  Now I was scairt because I thought her mother would pull a Buddy's father* on my mum, but that wasn't the case at all. Bully's mother yelled for Bully and reamed her ass right then and there; made her apologize to me and from that day on, Bully never bullied me again. Now, I don't know what her mother did to her after we left.

 

My point being, that back then in the "olden days" of the 1970s, parents didn't put up their kids' bullshit.  And let me tell you, the bully was a very aggressive, tough girl, but she was scared of her mama. She was pissed and crying and her fists were clenched, but she never laid a hand on me again or bullied me. In fact, we actually became friendly. A year later.

 

*Brady Bunch--when Mike goes to Buddy's dad to tell him Buddy was teasing Cindy, who was three years younger and his father got into Mike's face, and Mike ended up leaving in a huff.

 

The problem or issue is parents these days don't want to parent their kids, but be their friends.